Yea I don't think it's that teams don't want these players. It's just no players have these post moves perfected or even close. I always used to ask people why the hookshot went away. Kareems sky hook specifically. It was unguardable, and I could never understand why people quit doing it. People usually say stuff like it just got unpopular but that doesn't change it's effectiveness. One older dude told me it's just to hard to master. Plain and simply a difficult shot. I think that's the answer to this whole thing.
Edgar A yea big men have evolved to shoot but the post up game in general seems to be weaker than it's ever been. Idk maybe I'm wrong but I feel like the big man game is dying
Here in 2021; at 3:56, Kevin Mchale correctly predicts that the position of Center will make a return in the NBA in the future. Today, Embiid, Jokic, Ayton, Gobert, AD, and Giannis, were all forces to be reckoned with during the season.
@@DonAndrxz8 even I do not like to consider AD or Giannis centers, they are 4’s to me. But their coaches often will play them at the center position during games.
you really tried to sneak gobert in there xD gobert is one of the most overrated players i have seen. He doesnt do anything offensively, and even on defense, where people say he is a machine, he is a liability, like the clippers showed in 2021 against utah. you go small against gobert and he cant play. he has no post game to punish smaller guys and he cant stay in front of smaller guys. just like when people tried to argue that deandre jordan was a great center. he wasnt. he was good, but not great, his value was just inflated by the overall lack of talent at the position, and same for drummond. Gobert is a prime example as to why the supermax is a massive failure. supermax should be for guys that can actually carry a franchise, since they take so much of the cap. gobert is nowhere near that level, cuz he doesnt do much offensively and even defensively he has 1 area where he is great and but other areas where he gets exposed. cant be DPOY and be a liability on defense for your team
It's 2023 now and we've got Chet Holmgren and Victor Wembanyama as newcomers to the league who have even further adapted as having great guard skills in addition to being bigs.
i mean he is just bigger and stronger, he has a nice soft touch but he is never known for some nice finesse like kevin mchale, all he could say here is all barbecue chicken.
@@leothetang no need to disrespect Shaq like that. Shaq had great footwork and speed for a guy his size he even had handles early on but yeah he definitely wasn't a finesse player more a power player. But I was still shocked he didnt add anything
Drop step, throw elbow, dunk, miss the and 1. Rinse, repeat. Shaq was a monster, played to his strengths and was extremely dominant. That said, he just bodied people, only Rodman could slow him down, he wasn't some technically sound post player.
I've been telling people for a while now that McHale was the most unstoppable "non-center" who ever played in the post. He had range and the high release with long arms , so he could hit 15-20 foot jumpers, great at FT's, one handed jump hooks, up and under and fakes for days. Just a menace of a mismatch. Now, he could never play in the 2020s game with how they want PFs to run fast breaks and shoot 3pters? I know Barkley sounds hateful and grumpy but I have to agree with him. This 3pt happy game has gone to far. The Warriors are an anomaly because Curry is the best long range shooter ever and Klay Thompson is incredible too. That is rare and may never be replicated!
McHale was , is a great power forward. UNSTOPPABLE.. and I Do believe would have been better in today game.. Why? He was a great offensive and defensive weapon. He didn't have a perimeter game. Didn't have to have that.. He was pretty much UNSTOPPABLE. INSIDE THE FOUL LINE , AROUND THE BASKET.. I TAKE HIM BEFORE ALOT OF POWER FORWARDS NOW. HIS POWER FINESSE WAS UNSTOPPABLE..
in hindsight, part of the reason why there wasnt a lot of interior game is because there simply werent many good bigs. at that time all we really had was AD and Boogie. when people argue whether deandre jordan is the best center in the game, that tells you all you need to know about the overall level of the position. there simply werent many centers that could actually score at will. you had the deandres and the drummonds of the world, but those guys pretty much just got boards and scored in the pick and roll. now there is embiid, AD, jokic and even giannis and ayton
@@drax141 jokic is great in the post but just a notch below of being truly dominant, zion may be that game changer, we'll see and hopefully he can stay healthy
elai314 jokic honestly could dominate the NBA if he just became more aggressive. He’s THE most transcendent big man out there I mean he can run the floor for you and pass like a point guard. I really hope he reaches his full potential cuz I honestly don’t think he has. He doesn’t have much faults in his game except for defense but he also should work his body more. I think jokic could be the big man to change the game and even revive the position but we’ll just have to see. Embiid too but we’ve been saying this for awhile and know no one can really guard him down low yet he still hasn’t hit his peak either that we all know he can 🤷🏽♂️
You see garnetts relationships to McHale garnett was so nice and wanted to be respectful in front of one of his idols you wouldnt believe that this black man is the nasties trash talker in nba history after seeing this video
6 years later in 2023 and we've got Chet Holmgren and Victor Wembanyama as bigs who can play in post but also have guard skills. Kevin McHale was spot on
No disrespect KG is in my top 10 of all time all around players BUT Kevin Mchale has the most unstoppable post moves in history not even the dream had a repertoire like Mchale ijs
Nowadays with help defense rules you need 3-point shooting and floor spacer to open the floor for post ups and drives. Its not about firing off 3's, its about keeping the defense honest, not allowing them to sag & go under screens, and making them pay for helping one pass away. We are on the verge of the most efficient offensive season in the past 30 years because coaches like Kerr, Stevens, & D'Antoni have realized the importance of spacing.
Godzy2011 I think it's neither, it's the rules, the talent is there, but since the league and college ain't that man on man anymore, it's shown in the way it is played
Rouen Caunan 90's is like the silver age of NBA lebron wont survive there. Detroit would just turn up the aircon whenever they play and lambeer would clothesline lebron everytime he tries to drive.
tyg400 I think for some superstars they would flourish. iverson could be an mvp because he's tough but he wont stay long in the league because he is a slasher and slashers always get elbowed and banged up in the 90s and he is skinny so a couple of injured ribs here and there but if he had built muscles like jordan did when he was banged up by the pistons he would've been a champion
tyg400 i love 2000 but i feel the 80's is the best because of the transition of superstars and they get to play in the 90's and these players fluorish in the 2000
Todays NBA is the best we have a player averaging a triple double, the best shooter of all time, and LeBron all playing in the same league...not to mention todays athletes are far superior..just look at the Wilkins-Jordan dunk contest compared to the Lavine-Gordon dunk contest and you will see just how much greater the athleticism in todays NBA players is
Only 3 or 4 teams are GREAT (CLE,GS,SA,TOR). There are many teams that are good (LAC,OKC,HOU,CHA,BOS,CHI and a few others) to a casual fan it may seem like there are only a few teams that are good but in reality there are a lot of really good players and teams around the league, they just don't get the publicity that the great teams get
I hate when people who played against Jordan say someone else is the best they ever played against. Unless you only played him in his last year, that’s just silly.
Get MJs 🌭 out of your mouth long enough to understand the context. Barkley and McHale were both power forwards and had to guard each other. Barkley didn’t guard MJ you fn whistledink You’re one of those people that if anyone says anything positive about any present or past player BESIDES MJ then there you are... hand down your pants “BUT BUT BUT MJ MJ MJ MJ MJ MJ MJ BUT MJ MJ MJ 😮🌭 MJ MJ BUT MJ BUT MJ”
"I'm too white to have all this light on me" LOL
Will Liu you brothers are too dark not to have lights on you, both of you 😂
That was a good answer and funny too!
"I aint worry of no man wearing skinny jeans" chuck lool
A Kevin Mchale type player would be welcome on any team today and tomorrow. He was awesome to watch.
Yea I don't think it's that teams don't want these players. It's just no players have these post moves perfected or even close.
I always used to ask people why the hookshot went away. Kareems sky hook specifically. It was unguardable, and I could never understand why people quit doing it.
People usually say stuff like it just got unpopular but that doesn't change it's effectiveness. One older dude told me it's just to hard to master. Plain and simply a difficult shot. I think that's the answer to this whole thing.
William Hitchcock yea easier to work on your handles and jump shot
Edgar A yea big men have evolved to shoot but the post up game in general seems to be weaker than it's ever been. Idk maybe I'm wrong but I feel like the big man game is dying
The problem is coaches aren’t teaching that type of game anymore to young kids.
@@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 precisely
Here in 2021; at 3:56, Kevin Mchale correctly predicts that the position of Center will make a return in the NBA in the future. Today, Embiid, Jokic, Ayton, Gobert, AD, and Giannis, were all forces to be reckoned with during the season.
Ad and Giannis aren’t centers
@@DonAndrxz8 even I do not like to consider AD or Giannis centers, they are 4’s to me. But their coaches often will play them at the center position during games.
@@DonAndrxz8 Giannis is the same height or taller than most centers in history but I think we should talk about big men in general
you really tried to sneak gobert in there xD gobert is one of the most overrated players i have seen. He doesnt do anything offensively, and even on defense, where people say he is a machine, he is a liability, like the clippers showed in 2021 against utah. you go small against gobert and he cant play. he has no post game to punish smaller guys and he cant stay in front of smaller guys. just like when people tried to argue that deandre jordan was a great center. he wasnt. he was good, but not great, his value was just inflated by the overall lack of talent at the position, and same for drummond. Gobert is a prime example as to why the supermax is a massive failure. supermax should be for guys that can actually carry a franchise, since they take so much of the cap. gobert is nowhere near that level, cuz he doesnt do much offensively and even defensively he has 1 area where he is great and but other areas where he gets exposed. cant be DPOY and be a liability on defense for your team
It's 2023 now and we've got Chet Holmgren and Victor Wembanyama as newcomers to the league who have even further adapted as having great guard skills in addition to being bigs.
Watch McHale highlights and take notes kids. Hated this guy growing up but he was unstoppable.
Ok Kevin
This entire segment was better than anything ESPN has put out.
The 2 greatest Kevins in nba history! It’s crazy how everything went full circle!..they met in Minnesota then KG comes to Boston like with Mchale!
Forgot KD
Is your profile pic Joe exotic
Kd>Kg at this point
Also, they're both wearing blue shirts.
McHale totally traded him the Cs as a gift for KG and Boston
Extremely surprised that Shaq had no input on this. Hands down, one of the post dominate post players I've seen in my day and he has nothing to say.
i mean he is just bigger and stronger, he has a nice soft touch but he is never known for some nice finesse like kevin mchale, all he could say here is all barbecue chicken.
@@leothetang no need to disrespect Shaq like that. Shaq had great footwork and speed for a guy his size he even had handles early on but yeah he definitely wasn't a finesse player more a power player. But I was still shocked he didnt add anything
Drop step, throw elbow, dunk, miss the and 1. Rinse, repeat.
Shaq was a monster, played to his strengths and was extremely dominant. That said, he just bodied people, only Rodman could slow him down, he wasn't some technically sound post player.
The Irony of it, if Prime Chuckster would play today he would be perfect and dominate small ball style of play ...
Yep
chuck has a perimeter and 3 pt game, he will be playing SF-C in this small ball era
@@joeymanny Hes the worst 3 pt shooting superstar of all time
@@theadmitler1713 thats fine
Chuck: Ain’t worrying about guy wearing skinny jeans😁
KG: hey chuck One Leg at a time 😂
I've been telling people for a while now that McHale was the most unstoppable "non-center" who ever played in the post. He had range and the high release with long arms , so he could hit 15-20 foot jumpers, great at FT's, one handed jump hooks, up and under and fakes for days. Just a menace of a mismatch. Now, he could never play in the 2020s game with how they want PFs to run fast breaks and shoot 3pters? I know Barkley sounds hateful and grumpy but I have to agree with him. This 3pt happy game has gone to far. The Warriors are an anomaly because Curry is the best long range shooter ever and Klay Thompson is incredible too. That is rare and may never be replicated!
McHale was , is a great power forward. UNSTOPPABLE.. and I Do believe would have been better in today game.. Why? He was a great offensive and defensive weapon. He didn't have a perimeter game. Didn't have to have that.. He was pretty much UNSTOPPABLE. INSIDE THE FOUL LINE , AROUND THE BASKET.. I TAKE HIM BEFORE ALOT OF POWER FORWARDS NOW. HIS POWER FINESSE WAS UNSTOPPABLE..
Love these shows just hilarious.
Hakeem and McHale best 2 ever in post , unstoppable
... 2 of the best, but not the only ones.
No they are THE 2 best ever.
McHale and Olajuwon.
It’s fairly common knowledge sparky
Kevin Machale, Mr Depenable every game
"Analytics is for....guys that son in law need a job"...Priceless!!
Would love to hear the conversations McHale & Garnett have regarding basketball and their impacts on the position
Chuck is a funny man
Lmao can barely see KG
I believe Stephen A smith would categorize KG´s answer as a soliloquy :)
Man I appreciate this clip 🏀
the marital arts manikin w a kufi is hilarious 😂
earn says always goes back to that😂😂
Area 21 was my favorite part... My favorite.
in hindsight, part of the reason why there wasnt a lot of interior game is because there simply werent many good bigs. at that time all we really had was AD and Boogie. when people argue whether deandre jordan is the best center in the game, that tells you all you need to know about the overall level of the position. there simply werent many centers that could actually score at will. you had the deandres and the drummonds of the world, but those guys pretty much just got boards and scored in the pick and roll. now there is embiid, AD, jokic and even giannis and ayton
Am I the only one thinking that Kevin McHale resembles Mark Ruffalo? Hahaha
Actually... you know what YOURE RIGHT !!!
you are the only one thinking that
KG gave a great answer.
Small ball works because no one knows how to dominate the post anymore
exactly.......noone would play small if shaq was playing
How do you feel about jokic and other bigs reinventing the need for post
@@drax141 jokic is great in the post but just a notch below of being truly dominant, zion may be that game changer, we'll see and hopefully he can stay healthy
elai314 jokic honestly could dominate the NBA if he just became more aggressive. He’s THE most transcendent big man out there I mean he can run the floor for you and pass like a point guard. I really hope he reaches his full potential cuz I honestly don’t think he has. He doesn’t have much faults in his game except for defense but he also should work his body more. I think jokic could be the big man to change the game and even revive the position but we’ll just have to see.
Embiid too but we’ve been saying this for awhile and know no one can really guard him down low yet he still hasn’t hit his peak either that we all know he can 🤷🏽♂️
No one how’s to defend the post either.
Just imagine if MJ or Kareem was back in the game 🥵🥵
What happened to area 21
Barkley and Mchale had the most skills in the low post of anyone I ever saw.
Hakeem, McHale and Kobe in terms of skills.. Barkley wasn't a fancy but he used his strength and footwork on the post very effectively
Yeah don't forget Mike
Tim Duncan was a pretty skilled operator down low.
Jordan wasn’t a low post player fool
“don’t forget mike” in the worlds most whiney voice
Haha bro Kevin G really did have a long answer 😂💀
What song is that??
You see garnetts relationships to McHale garnett was so nice and wanted to be respectful in front of one of his idols you wouldnt believe that this black man is the nasties trash talker in nba history after seeing this video
6 years later in 2023 and we've got Chet Holmgren and Victor Wembanyama as bigs who can play in post but also have guard skills. Kevin McHale was spot on
And they wont be the only ones crazy how spot on Mchale was
No disrespect KG is in my top 10 of all time all around players BUT Kevin Mchale has the most unstoppable post moves in history not even the dream had a repertoire like Mchale ijs
Just say he’s in your top ten players lol, he’s in mine too.
@@derekdebomb9964 then your top ten list is wrong
my man willie lopez
Where's the next hakeem with a banging 3 pointer.
William Hitchcock Sixers
Nuggets
Don't hold your breath on the next Hakeem. He's like Haley's Comet ... once in a lifetime.
Nowadays with help defense rules you need 3-point shooting and floor spacer to open the floor for post ups and drives. Its not about firing off 3's, its about keeping the defense honest, not allowing them to sag & go under screens, and making them pay for helping one pass away. We are on the verge of the most efficient offensive season in the past 30 years because coaches like Kerr, Stevens, & D'Antoni have realized the importance of spacing.
D antoni did this before this era.
Tex Winter and John Bach
Triple Post Offense also uses Motion Offense and Spacing...
Vance Walberg /John Calipari
Drive and Kick Offense
Touche KG
Extinction is a function of evolution and that is where the post is now.
No mention of Kareem in the evolution.
Kenny's answers age well
Kevin McHale greatest post move of ALL TIME
Behind hakeem
@@sofianerida1769 I think Hakeem learned a few of his moves from watching McHale.
Barkley and McHale need an update...
If mayo was a person, it would be just like McHale
If 💩 was a person it would be you
prime chuck vs prime KG will be a better much, A bully and a loud mouth and both are playing intense
#welovetheseguys
If Shaq ever left kg I think would fit in. Or Chris webber
I'd like to see Dominique Wilkins in there. He was good when he filled in for Kenny.
The smaller guards will use the post game
No love for Dream?
Barkley is right, the league is not great compared to the 80s and 90s. too soft in my opinion
Godzy2011 is that a reflection of the talent or the way it's ref'ed though?
Godzy2011 I think it's neither, it's the rules, the talent is there, but since the league and college ain't that man on man anymore, it's shown in the way it is played
Thomas Jam well said bruh
Yeah. The rules favor the smalls.
Thomas Jam NCAA was never man to man though it was always zone
5:02 charles "the nba is the worst it has ever been"
all lebron fans watch this. saying that the competition is worst in the 90s. today is the worst
Rouen Caunan 90's is like the silver age of NBA lebron wont survive there. Detroit would just turn up the aircon whenever they play and lambeer would clothesline lebron everytime he tries to drive.
Dan Clark Limarez I think the 2000s were probably the best. Iverson, Kobe, Carter, and mcgrady would all also went off the 90s
tyg400 I think for some superstars they would flourish. iverson could be an mvp because he's tough but he wont stay long in the league because he is a slasher and slashers always get elbowed and banged up in the 90s and he is skinny so a couple of injured ribs here and there but if he had built muscles like jordan did when he was banged up by the pistons he would've been a champion
tyg400 i love 2000 but i feel the 80's is the best because of the transition of superstars and they get to play in the 90's and these players fluorish in the 2000
Todays NBA is the best we have a player averaging a triple double, the best shooter of all time, and LeBron all playing in the same league...not to mention todays athletes are far superior..just look at the Wilkins-Jordan dunk contest compared to the Lavine-Gordon dunk contest and you will see just how much greater the athleticism in todays NBA players is
the nba is garbage now, only 3 or 4 teams are actually good
Only 3 or 4 teams are GREAT (CLE,GS,SA,TOR). There are many teams that are good (LAC,OKC,HOU,CHA,BOS,CHI and a few others) to a casual fan it may seem like there are only a few teams that are good but in reality there are a lot of really good players and teams around the league, they just don't get the publicity that the great teams get
Lies
Lucas Hammond nice argument
I debate my equals, I just don't feel like teaching you at the moment
Lucas Hammond because you have no debate..the NBA has never been more popular and there is a reason for that...have a good day
I hate when people who played against Jordan say someone else is the best they ever played against. Unless you only played him in his last year, that’s just silly.
Charles Barkley always says that Kevin Mchale is his hardest player to guard. but he knows MJ's the best ever
He's talking about guys he was directly matched up on.
Get MJs 🌭 out of your mouth long enough to understand the context. Barkley and McHale were both power forwards and had to guard each other. Barkley didn’t guard MJ you fn whistledink
You’re one of those people that if anyone says anything positive about any present or past player BESIDES MJ then there you are... hand down your pants “BUT BUT BUT MJ MJ MJ MJ MJ MJ MJ BUT MJ MJ MJ 😮🌭 MJ MJ BUT MJ BUT MJ”