Affirmative action in college admissions
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- čas přidán 26. 06. 2024
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After 5 years working in a profession, no one care where you went to school.
Depends on the field. And I definitely see job postings that specify Ivy degree is required. I’ve this for receptionists and admin assistants.
@@FirstNameLastName-wt5toworked in hr for years and have never seen this. What positions are these? Examples please.
that is after 5 years, but the first year matter the most. They do care about where you go to school.
You are delusional. See the income and long term success of people from these schools.
@@Blackflyer1 HR is a joke, of course they don't care where you went to college. Ivy league matters if you want to be a professor, a researcher, a banker, executive, or entrepreneur.
Too much focus and false belief that professional success depends on graduating from the Ivy Leagues. This needs to change. It is unhealthy for the high schoolers.
Like all businesses the college system has a life span and according to the professionals the college system will collapse in our lifetime.
You say this but many top businesses will not even consider interviewing people that went to 'non-target' schools. There are so many applicants and so many college student now that businesses don't have to entertain applications outside of the top few. With how expensive life has become. you wont be able to afford to live if you don't get a good job after college these days - which is heavily dependent on the school you went to.
@@uc7953 Tell that to Zuckerberg, Dorsey, Gates, Jobs, Kalanick, and a host of other BILLIONAIRS that never graduated from college.
but it's true... Ivy League schools even if you graduated with a 2.5 GPA you would always be preferred. I got a GPA of 3.5 from a regular university in accounting. I applied to many jobs couldn't get in. One job hired a man from Harvard with a 2.5 gpa. So, there's truth to it. If you got to these ivy league schools you will get a job regardless. Even though my business school uses case studies created by Harvard business school professors. I had to actually pay Harvard to buy case studies for my finance class. I had to create an account at their business school store and buy them. We had to analyses them . The education I had is the same as of the business school because it has the same accreditation an the books used were written by Harvard professors. Yet, having the name harvard on your resume someone means you're the smartest person in the world.
@@uc7953nonsense!
The admissions board should not see name or race on an application only a id number
That’s what the did GCSE and A levels in the UK. It worked . It was a good way for the bias and racists exam board !
that sounds like a plan!!
GREAT IDEA 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Admission should be based on merits and academic standing.
Don’t forget good character! 👍
It is, generally. But even with stellar academics and merit colleges can only take so much. They don’t have infinite space. There are other factors to consider.
Do you even understand what you're saying? There have to be other areas of discrimination. Many will "equally" qualify. What then? Hmm??
@@nigelcarrenWe can clearly see the current issues of peoples true faces coming out recently with ongoing events…
Affirmative Action was never a good thing. It degraded every aspect of American culture and society.
Legacy should have been banned/outlawed from the start, never should have been allowed to begin with
So true, vice president Al Gores kids all got to attend Harvard and one of them barely made it out of high school
I think legacy should actually be considered but only to a certain point
These schools are only considered elite due to legacy and old money families.
A counter program to balance legacy affirmative action over the last 300 years
@@metallica2500crazy
It would be nice if we didn’t talk about ethnicity at all in college applications. You should be judged as an individual.
No way the far-left anti-white, anti-Asian faculty will go for that.
What you say sounds nice in a vacuum. But, the world isn't a place where everyone gets an equal shake in life. Where you are born in life (example zipcode/state/country) greatly dictate what opportunities and benefits you have. So, in a totally fair world (which doesn't exist), then yes, what you say would be fair and preferred. In the real world however, racism, sexism, ageism, ableism, and other factors determine whether one gets access to things or not. So, your statement fails to reflect the realities of the world.
@@99niknihtNope it's just codewords for white replacement
@99nikniht Yeah if you aren't a black lesbian but are a white student you wouldn't get the ok to be at that school, you should be judged as an individual.
@@99nikniht You are absolutely correct. Otherwise a lot of people wouldn't get into school because they're not intelligent enough. At some point we need to consider people's skin color because statistically there is undeniable correlation between that and IQ.
Imagine a country giving away resources and not taking care of the people who already existed in your country.
ABC News OF COURSE LEFT OUT THAT WHITE STUDENTS ARE ALSO HELD TO A HIGHER STANDARD. All White people reading this should know that FACT! But the RACIST ABC news won't tell you that. White students needed to score roughly 300 points higher on the SAT's than black and Latino students for admission.
Any student with the qualities of David in this video should have been admitted to any school of his choosing. What academic institution doesn''t want students like him? This is a ridiculous system. (Good for Duke University.)
not defending the college system, but ivy leagues only have a select number of spots and hundreds of thousands of applications. no matter how qualified you may be, you could still get rejected because they simply don’t have space for you. there’s so many factors you can’t control.
@@MaryLab2930 And because "too many" Asians submit stellar grades and achievement, the schools cap the number of Asians? That means Asians are forced to compete against other Asians, not in a fair competition with the entire pool of applicants.
No the problem is there are thousands around the world just like him!
@robertparsons313 💀....there's a plethora of students like him, and if they see someone better, then 🤷🏾♀️
@@robertparsons313 huh? they can only let in 1.5k students among the 150k that apply. there are thousands of other kids like him, but they can’t let them all in. did you not see in the video he got waitlisted at a few colleges? that means you are absolutely qualified to attend the university, but they just don’t have space for you.
its Harvard's loss.
I think they will be fine. They're only the richest school in the world.
They don't lose anything. They always have full students attending. Everyone around the world wants to go to this university. They also made the standards for all Universities for their programs if they want international recognition.
There are many talent all over the world. Having good grade does not meant he will be great in his achievement moving forward, do not forget nothing is guranteed in this world, including your IQ.
@@bebdaumon3948 Indeed Harvard's _gained_ the likes of Claudine G.
Who's Harvard?
David is one of the brightest and hardest working people I know. He will have a great time at Duke!
For any kid out there who is worried, let me share with you , I came from Haiti , no English, no money , homeless for a while … I did not care and that is why I became a nurse and got a bachelor in science and a masters in clinical research.
Just stay focused and don’t worry , you will get there .
❤❤❤❤ thank you for sharing.
What gets me is that the issue for the people against AA this time weren't worried about getting into college. It was about getting specifically into IVY LEAGUE colleges.
I have a friend who immigrated from Montserrat as a child. She is black. She had excellent grades, great extra-curriculars, everything an Ivy League university could ask for. She didn't get into NYU. Did that bother her? No. She got into other colleges and so she picked one.
She found a great job with a nice salary and now she's living her best life.
Ivy league is not the end all be all.
@@melodramatic7904that was my big thing too. ALL of this was specifically for Ivy ONLY nine of this was for any other school besides the Ivy schools. Like you said you can still make a life for yourself without going to an Ivy it’s really good state schools out there as well, and if your ambitious enough a good student and active in life person can make it work anywhere. I know ppl who choose state schools over Ivy and they still got their dream job.
Yes but coming as an immigrant with nothing apparently gives you far more privilege than multigenerational Afro American Latinas. You need to pump up your intersectionality numbers.
@@JessicaNaranjo4094 it is my pleasure.
He is naive, it was 100% a racial rejection for him. Tragic that America has become racist under the belief it makes it less racist.
He didn't lose his seat at Harvard due to some "unqualified black or Hispanic kid"; he lost his seat to another Asian student. Why don't people get that it's Asian applicants themselves who have made it tougher, in a sense bottlenecking for other Asians to get into Harvard? Asians make up about 7% of the US population, but at Harvard, they comprise 19% of the population. Compare that to Blacks at Harvard, just 6%, while the US percentage of Blacks is 14%. Almost triple the number of Asian applicants apply to Harvard compared to Black applicants. Thus, if you're Asian, the difficulty in getting in isn't showing that you're a better applicant than, say, Kesha from New York, but rather proving you're distinct/unique from the hundreds and hundreds of other Asian applicants who also happen to be of Chinese descent, etc. And it's not even a racial issue. If it were Black Americans who were really obsessed with Harvard, then over time this positive feedback (where more and more Blacks apply, thus the standard/threshold for Blacks keeps getting higher, again a bottleneck/filter for the absolute best of the bunch) strengthens. Then you'll see stories like this of how Blacks are discriminated against because of their race...again, they are not. It's just that other Blacks have made it tougher for the average great Black applicant to get in over, say, the average White or Asian applicant. I don't know why people don't get this. Even during the time of Affirmative Action, it literally wasn't racially motivated that it was tougher for Asians to get in; it was a product of their own intra-competition. Harvard, just like your workplace or local park, surely wants people of all races represented, right? Unfortunately, the appeal for Harvard, commensurate to the induced heightened intra-competition within certain races, gives the false impression of racial discrimination. If you still think it's racially motivated and for whatever reason Harvard seems to love "unqualified Blacks" over very well-qualified Asian applicants, right? Then explain why MIT, another top-notch elite university which is on par with Harvard for its ultra-competitiveness and has NEVER practiced Affirmative Action, and just recently its Class of 2027 is 15% Black, which is even greater than the US Black population which again stands at 14%. People need to start thinking critically about these things and stop defaulting to the most simplistic and comforting conclusions.
Brother, even with affirmative action Asians were mostly rejected in Harvard.
White people who went to schools in the suburbs are not required to take the basic standards test to pass high school. Yet, so many racists run their mouth about the system. They want to protect their white privilege. I use to think why there isn't a "white" scholarship, etc. if there's one for minorities. Well, life experiences have shown me that they don't need one because the color of their skin provides them with white privilege in life. Employers would pick a white person with no experience and education over a minorities with education and no experience or a minorities with no education and experience every day of the week.
And I have even seen a few times where they picked a white person with no education and experience over a minority with both education and experience. white privilege exists. white privilege is racism. If someone has ever flexed their white privilege, they ARE racist.
Apple CEO is from Duke, sky is the limit for this guy regardless of where he went!
Ivy League Plus…but NOT Ivy League.
If you have the qualities of a ceo you’ll succeed if you put your mind to it don’t know why college matters Harvard offers their classes online for free if you really wanted to you can get Harvard level education and a bachelors from somewhere else for lower the cost without aid, find an accredited teacher or professor online and you get a good education from CZcams lol the only thing I’d say is worth an Ivy League is the connections and prestige but if you have work certifications and a bit of persuasion the gap between the two is not that different, a simple connection and that’s all u need to get the job.
@@hught6885 anymore the idea of that places like Harvard are elite is nonsense.
Going to Ivy League schools is irrelevant
@@hught6885 I can tell by this comment that you dont know anything about academia. You do know that Stanford, MIT, Duke, Uchicago and Caltech are all non ivy leagye right? The Ivy league is an athletic conference.
Thomas Sowell once observed that “When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.” The best way to cure racial discrimination is to stop discriminating based on race.
And the Supreme Court did just that regarding college admissions?
This. The blacks in the video acting like they're oppressed when we started focusing on equal opportunity and not equal outcome.
@@drlove994 Ay it only took 60 years. And now those who received preferential treatment will perceive fairness as discrimination.
@@TerryHausenn Don’t matter AA for college admissions doesn’t exist anymore so Asians shouldn’t complain anymore! Can blame the blacks anymore for not getting into Harvard.
Tom Sowell is a terrible source of information. He never critiques white folks for their crimes historically against blk ppl.
Never hire a Harvard graduate - good to know
Especially if they were a DEI hire.
@verity4427 In what fantasy world do you live?
Race should not be a requirement. What the hell is wrong with people. The smartest people should go to the smartest schools period. Advance the human race not got backwards. 🤦🏼♂️
Affirmation Action was due to people being excluded due to race and gender. White women have benefited tremendously. This is American, race will ALWAYS be an issue, it's in our Constitution.
Race was never a requirement. Seems like you are missing the point entirely.
What do you mean requirement??
@@BluePrada as in if you don’t have good enough marks to get in you are “required” to be black.
when applying to these colleges through common app, you are not required to tell admissions your race. you can specifically select a box that says “do not share my race”. that’s what i did. also, there are many, many, MANY smart students who are qualified to attend these elite colleges, but they obviously don’t have room for all of them. how do you differentiate applicants from each other? you look at legacy, their extracurriculars, essays, etc. i really think the entire admissions and college system needs to be abolished and worked from the ground up in the u.s. because tell me why it costs a FRACTION of what american universities demand in europe.
take home message: nothing has changed.
I know thank goodness
thanks for that I couldn't figure the message out with all the gaslighting and subterfuge
Oh, so you mean......black folks are actually getting in because of how smart they are and the work they put in...... and not because of their skin color??? Omg, what a surprise 😮
@@Kirasfox Harvard admissions literally adds points to applications based on race. Native American and Black receive the highest additional points.
@@TerryHausenn it literally doesn't
Duke is a great school with tons of programs and opportunities !! Congratulations, young man. Doors close and doors open. Sometimes it’s for the best and you will enjoy the Duke faculty, campus, and students much more❤
And if he does well at Duke for his undergrad, Harvard might take notice in bring them right in when it comes to his masters or PhD
Duke has had its fair share of controversy over the years.
@@victoriawalsh3243 Some of them are fake, like the Duke Lacross situation.
All high schoolers who are serious about college have to be overachievers now and they all that a +4.0 GPA because they take all honors classes and a billion extracurricular activities. How do colleges determine who gets in if everyone applying has insane credentials?
Usually non-academic factors will weigh heavily in application acceptance. Eagle scout, class president, etc... Also race :) Very fun system.
@@TerryHausenn It's such a miserable life to spend all of your time doing these things to get into university.
@@TerryHausenn So it's not just about grades but other factors.
No, they don't. They just have to pick differently.
they choose those who they find 'interesting'
As a mid 40s yr old person, I wish I could go back in time and tell my 18 yr old self that where you go to college doesn't matter all that much. If you have the perseverance to succeed, you will succeed no matter what. I have worked in a few fortune 100 companies and the one consistent thing about sr leaders (VPs and above) is that their backgrounds and schooling are diverse. Many are from colleges I've never heard of.
💯💯
yes, but having a big name on your resume helps... no matter what anyone says, it still helps.
Resume. Haha. Ill never have to write one again. #entrepreneurship @abdosimon
@@Joe-ti7qd you kidding? Having a business is a damn lifestyle haha (and what a life too, if you are suited to it). Also you can lose all your money.
Don’t be salty because your business is better than your resume lol (I say this with banter, no offense). Don’t forget - you own a business which has employees / resumes. More respect for the employee lol
1,000 percent correct. I never heard someone say, I would have been a vice president, if I would have gone to Harvard. Talented and motivated individuals will succeed in life. Your university, gender, race, religion etc will not hold you back if you are determined to succeed. May be an obstacle, but it’s one that you can overcome.
7:15 What does she mean when she says "students of color?" Does she mean Asians are colorless? She basically has implicit bias that "students of color" = "black and Hispanics"
What color are Asians? And don't go saying yellow 🟡
White is a color soooo yea. Legacy should be abolished though
Yea, she means black people. Do you live under a rock? What do you think of when they say students of color? You know damn well the expression refers to blacks, otherwise you wouldn't even comment. Literally water fountains, bathrooms, and restaurants would say "no coloreds" during segregated times.
Exactly! Filipinos are “brown” and so are South Asians. It should be meritocracy not pity admissions.
There's a new thing now where asian people are no longer seen as poc, but white, but white people definitely don't see asians as white..and asian people don't have white privilege, so limbo.
Now they are going to understand why affirmative action was in place.
Probably not for another 10 years before it finally sinks in.
To be racist towards white folks. That's all.
This
I'm glad they removed affirmative action. Now they get to see. They did it to themselves
"Corporations and media outlets may have misled them into believing that affirmative action is the root cause of the issue." Which is untrue
I am European and did an exchange year at a US college 10 years ago. I was shocked to learn about legacy admissions.
You should’ve been even more in shock by the obsession of race from those progressive and corrupt leaders and educators lol
It's mostly a far-left, anti-white racist lie.
No one “deserves” any spot at any school. Do your best, go where you are offered and live with the results.
of course, and no one deserves a spot over someone else just because of his or her race.
Yeah but that's not how it works
@@First-bt6rqOr because their parents had more money for tutors and test prep…
@@riku1neo How is that the same thing as skin color? You realize every race can be wealthy, right? racist
@@TerryHausennThe point is there is no perfect admission process and there never will be. Accept the school that accepts you and make the most of it.
There are a host of students in these schools that academically should not be there, but they are legacy admissions.
Or athletic scholarship holders.
@@robertewalt7789 The athletes are employees there to make money for the school. They are athlete-students first not student-athletes. That contract they sign for 4 years or more says they can be let go if they are deemed by the coaching staff to not have lived up to the teams standards. Lesser players have been let go for reasons having nothing to do with academics and that scholarship given to someone else. Also it's an ATHLETIC scholarship not an academic one. Again, sports at those schools is a business separate of the schools other business. So the alumni won't touch sports and that guy Blum new not to go anywhere near it. Too many big people are involved in college sports.
People focused on getting rid of affirmative action and they forgot about the legacy/rich students who are dumb but still get in.
Coloreds don't deserve to go to college. They're too stupid.
They didn't forget they intentionally didn't want to touch them. To many white folk current and future would be affected. Some need that help to get in, that advantage over others for their grades won't make the cut.
@@IAMHERE486 coloreds are too dumb to get in. Gotta lower the bar to help the "ignant"
@@thewanderer6388 how does that work when Harvard underrepresents the current white student population around 40% adjusted for geographic factors?
The news doing propaganda for over priced degrees that don't promise you a successful career anymore.
These are money traps and the promotion of them needs to stop.
I’m glad I grew up in Sweden as a black person. Here, only your grades matter. If your grades are good enough you’ll get in. They don’t care about where you’re from they only look at your academic record that’s it.
That’s not how or why race was considered in the first place. Why don’t you learn about the history of race based exclusion in the U.S. before saying Sweden somehow got it right.
Well Sweden sounds like a nice place in general. Anyone would be lucky to live there unless there's something I'm unaware of.
That means it's easier for you to get into college here. Blacks are supposed to have a certain percentage admitted regardless of grades in highschool and are supposed to get additional help like free tutoring etc. The reason for this was because in the past the U.S.A discriminated against blacks. They had public schools for whites only where they got most of the public funds. While black school had small budgets where they couldn't teach student's properly. This is where they ended segregation and made every school open to anyone. However, blacks would still be stuck at horrible schools. So, this is where those schools got more funding and hired more qualified teachers. Eventually now they allow students to go to any school they want within the county. So, blacks now can pick what school they want to attend and normally some pick schools that had a good grade rating in graduating rates and standard tests scores. It's been like this for many years. This was to allow blacks to get equal treatment towards education. They then required colleges to admit black students even if they have a GPA of 1.9 or lower. They also required them to give free tutoring for them. The colleges did this and eventually make it for everyone but it's not actually free they say it's free but it comes out of the tuition. So, we had this system for so many years. That now we are taking affirmative action out of colleges and that means you get into college based on your academic performance in highschool. It's been there long enough that they gave a fair chance for blacks to catch up. Now, since blacks been in white schools for many years. it's now fair to require them to meet the same standards of everyone.
We got it right. I don’t want special treatment or “positive discrimination” just because I happen to be black. I want to get admitted because of my academic track record, not because I tick a box that says what kind of race I am. That’s real equality.
I am well aware of the history, what I mean is that affirmative action has no relevance today. It’s another form of race based exclusion. Instead of viewing every person the same way, you single out people based on their race to fill seats that they haven’t qualified for. That’s unfair, unethical and insulting.
I went to a CUNY and I had a great education and great job immediately…it’s ridiculous all this pressure…
Same, went to Baruch , basically for free and now i make more than most of these ivy league graduates.
@@CongoGTACongo so we're gonna take anecdotes over aggregate data? K, glad that degree is working out for you.
The first perquisite that should matter is your merit and your grades.
The only color that should go into decision making is the color green.
The first prerequisite is to learn how to spell or type the word "prerequisite" correctly.
Oh well, if Harvard wants to stay MEDIOCRE, they can always opt to reject these amazing applicants!
You do realize that white women have benefitted the most from AA!!!?? Lol
I’m sorry to break it to you but there’re better applicants than him, probably.
Harvard isn’t mediocre because they rejected him. He’s just one fish in the pond of good applicants. Every applicant probably excels in some way. Hence he isn’t special the others are either better or wealthier 🤷🏾♂️
@@antiquity1978 yeah idiots shouting free palestine and blm
@@antiquity1978 Why don’t you show us these “better” applicants to us instead of just spouting whatever assumptions you have about this guy.
So even with affirmative action banned, he STILL couldn’t get in? Lmaooo now who will you blame?
Exactly! Didn't Asian Americans support the removal of Affirmative Action?
THIS! This right here. Who will he blame NOW?!
EXACTLY
If Affirmative action is banned why would he blame anyone?? Then he would consider it as fair assessment rather unfair in this case none the less the dim witted selected through this process will nothing progressive as we are seeing
It’s still happening they just got more creative in their racist practices of affirmative action.
Someone please explain what more that Asian boy could’ve done 😂. He did everything he was supposed to.
He isn’t rich enough
He actually did the opposite of what he should have done. He lead his essay with his culture not his academics and accomplishments. When they make a selection he is competing against all the other Asians trying to get in. Culturally his story is the same as most others but his merits are what make him stand out. And as far as the money most school have scholarship money for those exceptional students without money. And one last thing he said his GPA was 3.7 something, think about all the who had 3.8 and above so he really was the best of the best. academically. Harvard might have a standard admission GPA of 3.9 - 4.0. So no, he didn't do everything he could have done.
Be a non asian
@@antiquity1978 His parents aren't alumni thus no legacy bump for him.
@@captcontrol have you ever been to schools? he got a 97.3 out of 100, which is converted to a gpa of 4.0
why should your race stand out more than your grades/ extra curricular activities…why does every GOOD personal statement require exploitation of personal tragedy or struggles! This is messed up
It's a competition of who's the most privileged victim
I don't see a problem why is it that if your parents graduated from Harvard you being their kid automatically get admission even if you don't have the grades.
They're gonna ignore you in favor of their narrative.
These people fish for videos to fit their narratives and boast of their prejudices. Vice signaling.
@@bebdaumon3948 legacy admissions are problematic but so is asking students to exclusively write statements about personal tragedies and if you dont have any…good luck on admissions
Harvard rejects thousands of excellent, well-qualified applicants every year. He wasn't discriminated against and this is not news. Our HS valedictorian got waitlisted by Harvard and she had a 5.0 GPA! And that was back in the early 2000s, and she is a white Latina. This kid needs to build a bridge and get over it. This is not discrimination. He still did a great job, regardless, so hats off to him.
My friend is black and attended a school with a high poverty rate. He was a valedictorian, he was a merit scholar, he was an allstate musician, a band captain, had dual enrollment, mentorship and volunteer experience. He was rejected by every ivy league he applied to. Same for the valedictorian the year before. This was before affirmative action was overturned.
He can sue if he wants too. Also it depends on his school that he attended in highschool. I like in the suburbs of Detroit. My final 2 years I got kicked out of math because we at the time only were required to take math for 2 years. We got kicked out because Detroit schools got an F and many black people that live there ... at the time obama and our state allowed people to get any school within the county. The black people in detroit either moved or had family in the suburb that lived in apartments. These kids got bussed from detroit and most were flunking math. They kicked people like me out of math so that these kids can attend and still be able to graduate highschool. One kid I talked to him he told me in Detroit if you just attended school you got an A. Also you had to share books and all exams were open book. I told him why come here. I said that sounds like a good deal. You can easily get a 4,0 gpa and get into college. He said his untle told his mom and him that you would be stupid to do this. They used the uncles address for residence purposes and the kid wen to our school. He told me that yes He could easily attend college but you won't have the skills to succeed in college. This kid had a 4.0 GPA from his school. In our school he got a 3.1 and went to college. It was an eye opener where he told me that schools that are struggling or in bad areas normally hand out grades. A 4.0 GPA isn't the same if you get handed it compared to a school that makes it hard to get a 4.0 GPA. It's what you learn from the experience that matters. I am just saying the school you go to if it's a struggling school you might get the grades to get into college but that's why they use the ACT and SAT as another factor to look at. So, he can get the grades but in ivy league schools they do look at ACT and SAT scores. If he wanted too he can easily sue and get the NAACP to look into it. They're nothing but lawyers for African Americans to go after such organizations for discrimination.
fuckin ok
If you say so....only way you're not lying is if he's a convicted felon.
And? His list might not have been enough. I had a similar resume if not better and I never even got into Berkeley because they were capped for white people and had to fill with nom whites.
@devinwynn1299 I wish it wasn't true.
I’m glad my parents didn’t place this dumb unneeded stress of trying to get in these so called “top” colleges. Plenty of schools provide a great education and if you’re actually passionate about you field and dedicated success will follow. Everyone in these types of videos are always going for Ivy League or some top school in their state just to end up in a bunch a debt with a run of the mill bachelors degree.
I agree. Studying so hard and doing all kinds of extracurriculars just for the sake of getting into an Ivy league...it is just so shallow, you should do these things due to internal motivation and not to please your snob parents so they then can brag to their Chinese friends. This story of Asian parents pushing their children for social status without any thought about their child’s real aspirations is just so common that even my brother’s wife has been traumatized by this in her school years. It feels just so robotic and snobby at the same time. Different culture I guess.
Who are you to tell someone what their dreams should be or to invalidate their aspirations? Go home, write out your goals and dreams that you want the most. I swear, somewhere someone is going to think they're stupid. If you're working and hustling for that fancy car or designer bag, I'm gonna tell you the ivy degree is more valuable.
@@devinwynn1299 blah blah blah. Get over it and go to a college that wants you. Every dream doesn’t come true. Deal with it.
@@Stu49583happening more and more in the Hispanic culture too, especially among the educated women. They’re so pressed to show everyone that they’re able to attend a prestigious school. In the meantime, Jose just got his electrical engineering degree from the small, 4 year college with minimal debt, making 90k at 24 years of age. Common sense goes out the window with these types. It’s pure ego driven stupidity.
@@Lucienne487 "my parents didn’t place this dumb unneeded stress..." well obviously, were your parents even around lol bro we can't keep lowering the net for the underperforming communities forever
College admission and ALL government should take the RACE box out their application. There is no need to know the race of the applicant. As an immigrant, I always find it weird that they need to know my race.🤦♂🤦♂
You’re an immigrant. Learn the country’s history or consider leaving. We don’t need ignorant people who want to ignore history and its consequences because it doesn’t suit them.
Because these days if you are white, you are out. Happened to me at Berkeleys haas school of business.
@@Joe-ti7qd Im surprised your comment didn't get auto filtered
Without it they engaged in racist practices. The policies didn't appear out of thin air...
@@1truek269 You are spreading racist lies. The admissions boards are made up of every group out there. Your racist belief is from the 1960's and long outdated.
Why isn't there affirmative action in college sports?
Like hockey?
Or DEI at the major football and basketball programs.
@@thewanderer6388 no other programs? Lol...hhhhmmm i wonder why
People working everywhere in our lives including pilots and doctors are not as important as sports. We cannot fuk up sports.
Asians are hardworking and intelligent. Very sad that we had to go through this biased selection process
Asians aren’t the only hardworking ones. Moreover, y’all don’t seem to understand yall aren’t wanted in these white places either with LEGACY ADMISSIONS being the real reason yall weren’t being accepted, but yall wanna be white so bad, made black students your problem and now look how that’s working out for yall. 😌🤷🏾♂️
They're given every opportunity. I went to school with them. Their parents pull out all of the stops for them, particularly money, which buys time for them to study, tutoring, and college admission consultants. I know, I went to school with them.
Basically, what I received from this story;
1. Affirmative action is going to 2nd generation immigrants.
2. Legacy students will continue to get 1st dibs when it comes to admission to universities.
3. Affirmative Action which was suppose to help people of color who were oppressed by systematic racism of jim crow ect will continue to take a back seat when it comes to admissions into universities.
1. Affirmative Action never at any point had anything to do with how long your family had been in the US.
2. What do you mean by "legacy students" - I thought that meant students who were already in the university. Such students do indeed get "first dibs" on registering for particular classes, but - they're already admitted to the U.
3. This statement makes no sense logically, and you misspelled the abbreviation for "et cetera", which is "etc", not "ect".
Ironically white women still get affirmative action. Kinda hilarious when you think about it.
No legacy students are students who’s parents or/and grandparents went to a particular school
@omi_god Um, no. A legacy student is a student who was accepted due to their parents’ attending the school.
@omi_god
Based on my understanding, legacy system is like the nepotism system. Your father is an officer, and the son or daughter's application is quickly processed so they get the police position. Why do you have 4-5 generations of families who are police officers ? The system. Again, based on my understanding, the legacy system is when your father/mother graduates from a major university, or is a major contributer to the institution and your child easily gets approved or accepted to the same school due to preferential treatment. Hence, 4-5 generations benefit from educational opportunities. Why? The system.
Ok, so my grammar may be wrong. Nevertheless, my points are valid.
The Duke undershirt gave it away. 😮
I noticed that, too. lol
Anybody else remember when a select group of Asians were going hard on the internet trying to blame black people for the reason they’re note getting into their favorite Ivy league schools…
They silent on that now
Harvard rejects thousands of excellent applicants every year. Let's hear a story from all of them! Most people who apply get rejected. I don't know how the Asian community feels that this is discrimination when it's not. Despite paying thousands for admissions consultants, tutors, music lessons, and preparing from childhood, they still can't figure out the acceptance process, and it's upsetting them. Our own HS valedictorian got waitlisted by Harvard and she had a 5.0 GPA. That was almost 20 years ago. Every year there is a news story like this, hinting at discrimination.
@@tjaspire Wait what? " I don't know how the Asian community feels that this is discrimination when it's not." You just mentioned an anecdote about your HS valedictorian getting waitlisted by Harvard when she had a 5.0 GPA yet you saying you DON"T understand? Imagine playing a game and you lose despite doing everything correctly...thats how it is with being an Asian American in this country.
@@ecor150dont change the fact the majority of admissions are Asians now
@@kevinxing yall are literally the most privileged group in America (more so than ⚪) and the income proves that so don't be lying. Yall are the only group that cries when yall don't get into these schools because you guys are entitled and spoiled and yall obviously don't feel like black and brown people are good enough for these schools even when they have higher gpas in this video. And the thing is yall only go into these schools cuz yall parents force yall so that they can brag about status and all this stupid stuff that 🟡 ppl like to do cuz you know they have nothing else better to do with being so rich .
I doubt any Affirmative Action would help me get into college or make it any easier to get admitted
I'd still probably have to give a large chunk of money to get in.
Regardless of Affirmative Action, college is expensive for everyone. Gaining admission doesn't mean you don't have to pay.
Same. It’s the idiots who think that you could be like me and be a B to B plus student and get into any ivy just because I’m black I already know 100% I wouldn’t get it at all. I still went to college only applied to one got in graduated and got my masters 🤷🏽♀️
I'm 76yrs , my career has span being a medical lab tech in a large public teaching hospital for 20yrs, changing to becoming a dentist in my mid 40s. While as a dentist I also taught at a technical college for assistant and hygienist. I've seen too many people persuading careers that they were not suited for, some were there because of family, money, or not knowing what they wanted to do. I had one young man in my dental school class that wanted to go into research, but his family insisted he take over his uncle ' s dental practice unfortunately after graduating his uncle was charged with sexual abusing some of his disable patients as he was noted for in his practice with giving dental care to them. He went back and because a medical researcher. Exam yourself, do what you love, I 've had to tell students this profession is not for them.
@@bethanywashington1243 Despite your postgraduate degree - and congratulations for that, by the way - your syntax and punctuation are not college-level.
Affirmative Action was never a good thing. It degraded every aspect of American culture and society.
If you didn’t earn it. It doesn’t matter or mean anything. Anything worth have is earned through hard work and sacrifice.
Minoritized students? 😂 you went to Yale?
Thought I was the only one who caught that.
She was an Affirmative Action admit
I don't know what you're on about, but that's correct English. You obviously didn't go there.
@@Kirasfox how do you know this information?
yeah with rich ass parents and all the privilege in the world. she wants the same for her kids. nepo baby wanting to continue nepotism.
The bigger problem is how useless college degrees are becoming. Maybe if companies stop requiring them so highly, all these elite schools wouldn't be the deciding factor of these people's lives.
cant agree more
FACTS!!!💯💯💯💯🎯🎯🎯🤓🇱🇷
depends on the college degree
@TruthTALKA no one cares what it is. At all. In fact even talking about it makes people's eyes roll
@@Joe-ti7qd Huh? Are you 12 years old? Nurses, Dentists, Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers still all need degrees to get licensed. Now let me see your response to it, although I am not expecting much after that last response which lacks any critical thinking.
My niece just graduated from an Ivy League school. She was admitted because she was mistaken for a Hispanic rather than of Asian heritage.
And she knows this how??
Why? Because her last name is Spanish? Is she Phillipino? Well guess what part of AA was giving Asian student from smaller countries not China a small advantage. Maybe they didn't think she was hispanic.
In a perfect world merit should carry you but in that perfect world their also wouldn't be racist keeping you out no matter what your merits say.
All things should race neutral, we should be judged by our effort, results and character….never skin color.
Sounds great on paper. But people making hiring & admission decisions often do not feel that way.
True. This also counts for legacy admissions. At one point only whites could go to certain colleges and universities. Meaning 90% of legacy students are white. Image having 97% average with 1560 SAT and not getting in. But a legacy student with a 92% average with 1500 SAT takes your spot. Harvard is only admitting 25% first generation students. Where do you think the other 75% is coming from. This is substitute for affirimative action. You nice thought but its not real.
@darkerknight7010
Do you really think affirmative action is going to change that or create another double standard?
@@mehnameehjeff6325 I can answer that. This was with affirimative action. Now that it's gone this has only become worse. Affirimative action was created to combat the double standard. There is no safe guard now.
Ideally, that’s how everything should be done, but we don’t live in an ideal world or country.
Affirmative action, like public housing, was never intended to be a permament fix. The issue is that in spite of policys designed to equalize opportunity, outcomes have not become equal. The question at hand is whether or not one subscribes to an ideology of equal opportunity, or one of equal outcome.
Yes, equal playing field, who determines equal? Usually a political party who has the power. How do we determine what equal is? Is there a flowchart or is there a specific equation we can use to determine equality or is it a feeling or is it just a undetermined amount of time? So many questions so few answers.
Discrimination based on ethnicity is illegal.
What a foolish response. Afiemative Action should be in place as long as there is systemic racism
Affirmative action did not work for everyone clearly. It is a meritocracy system especially in ivy leagues. I’m in Stanford medical and there are huge disparities especially ethnically regardless of GPA or excellence. The majority of students at Stanford are 2nd or third gen Chinese and primarily white. I’m mixed and the population of others so to speak are less than 1 percent and my GPA speaks for itself.
Yale is a joke, that’s where the elite that can’t make in a top university go.
Shouldn't exist...merit only.
It was always legacy admissions that was the elephant in the room
Aka white students. Black people we have been saying that yet a lot of whites and some Asians ignored that and wanted to focus on AA even though it benefits white women the most.
@@gm6034 Thank you 👆🏾
Are they still complaining about it?? I thought it was banned
Yes 😂
who's "they" 🧐
Their a bunch of wanna be white brats.
@@whackamole4909 anyone who happens to consider themselves a minority group at any given point in time probably
imagine being black, white, brown and just getting accepted into harvard without good grades. thats what happened after the "ban"
I'm Asian and I never thought about Ivy Leagues. I am from Atlanta and hate cold weather. I don't see what is so enticing. Nobody cares where you went too, even your rank when you are a military veteran in the civilian unless maybe you are a general. Duke is a good school and he should be proud.
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I dream one day to live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin, but by the content of OUR character. -MLK
Did he dream of a country where he was assassinated?
Crazy we're still having to dream about that today.
@@brucehicks5817 I think the black Americans forgot Dr MLK's teaching long time ago.
@@brucehicks5817I know, luckily they’re getting rid of affirmative action so that’s a step in the right direction.
@YightLagami-zt4mv you're right. Now America can go back to pretending it's about merit.
Asian kids got to get over this Ivy League school nonsense you don't need it dude
As a doctor who is a biracial Jewish West Indian woman (so I have all the minority discriminates); believe you me Asians aren’t minorities when it comes to the Ivy, I went to Columbia I’ve seen it for myself.
My Black son graduated with Honors Masters' Degree without any help. He earned every A. He worked. He is respected and respectful. He left the US to live in Italy where he is treated like the good man he is.
Diversity selection nothing new
Theirs always State and Universities
Nothing wrong with being stereotypical Asian though.
Yeah, this is also the part that I could not get. On one hand it’s not cool to stereotype people. But on the other hand, what’s wrong with a academically excellent and nerdy student that just happens to be an Asian? Why forcing a group to change its culture and forcing a person to change his personality? Does the US have too many tech nerds in science and engineering fields to the level that it’s becoming harmful for the society?
Diversity and excellence can definitely co-exist. Why is no one talking about legacy admissions ?
You didn’t watch this video huh?
Another example of woke people proving they're walking Zombies. WATCH THE VIDEO. JFC.
12 people liked it too 🤣
I don't know, why don't you ask Al Gore's kids who all were allowed to attend Harvard and one of them barely made it out of high school
@@metallica2500 or C minus high school student, former President George W Bush, who was a legacy admission at Yale.
Income levels should be a factor. Why? Because ultimately that factors in race anyway.
Income level is already a factor.
Income alr is a pretty big factor
Not all the time.
There's financial aid for that and scholarships for blacks, jewish people, chinese, koreans, japanese.
Your racism is showing
It was estimated that with the removal of Afirmative action policies in these colleges, Asians would get a 1% to 2% boost in enrollment. Not a fan of Affirmative action policies myself, but I think it was a strategic mistake.
Someone who actually read the fine print and didn't get caught up in the sterotypes and misinformation. Im black and I had a ambivalent relationship to AA. I don't think it really helped the people it was designed to. But many people thought the fall of AA would have them getting into their desired school by taking away the black and hispanic AA "advantage". Instead it made getting into the Ivies harder because now you have students who never thought they had a chance applying.
Affirmative action just means some more deserving middle class person was denied the position. Rich people are donors, their kids are never denied.
Rich kids parents are donors? but I thought it was all about merit? The rich kid with poor grades getting in and taking up a spot is alright with you just because? The rich kid who gets a sports scholarship to attend college but never played high school sports is alright with you too I guess. Rich whites have been gaming the systems since a system was created.
It's really simple y'all. If it helps you, you like this. If you don't benefit from it, you complain about it. Just like every other thing in life.
This is true to some degree, but also worrisome. If a policy divides people by the color, conflicts and fights between race only get worse. You can already notice here. Eventually the race with less population will lose in a democratic society. In this case, it’s the super minority Asian Americans. And we can already see such outcome in these kind of stories.
Apt
Humans are selfish beings
The immature perspective, yes...
EXACTLY!!!! So the Asians can't use that excuse that a Black or Brown kid "took their spot" with AA, so now they have to see that they just aren't good enough to get in. BUT OH NO! WAIT A MINUTE! That CAN'T be it, because I'm Asian and awesome! So it has to be something else. Hmmmm...let's concoct that it's because we are TOO AWESOME! That's right, we are "being held to a higher standard than white, Black, and Hispanics". I can't. So white people - How do you feel that Asians are saying you all are mediocre and ruining their chances of getting into Ivy league universities. LOL. Wow! There's no accountability. That's what you call putting the shoe on the other foot, huh?
You see the Asians sued to get rid of A. They got what they wanted. That Asuan guy still didnt get into Harvard with all his qualifications. Can he blame Black prople now? It supposed to be a more level playing field. Still complaining. He didn't measure up.
Blum used Asians to get affirmative action. He failed years ago using an unqualified white girl to protest affirmative and that forced him to changed his strategy and thus included Asians as a minority group being harmed also. in a few years Blum will have some case against Asians.
why is this still an issue? wasn’t it banned?
It still isn’t a major issue. It’s only a major issue at small colleges that openly discriminate against students of color so they can make their school as white as possible.
i went to a local Community College, went to a 4 year universty and found a solid job. You go to these institutions to be job-ready and also learn entreprenual skills, not have a holiday. it does not have to be an IVY school.
Hell yeahhhhhh, fellow CC student! I did the same. Tired of these rich bozos and their Ivy League obsession. If anything, it's more expensive and you get less value than our path.
This video proves just how biased the schools are.
Notice how you didn’t talk about her grades and test scores.
Very good point. Everyone has troubles in their lives
@6:55 "...and with a 4.0 GPA"
She had a 4.0 gpa 🤥 your bias is showing that you don’t listen
@@BEG943Exactly
@@rjdev-tt1ebThey'll willingly put on blinders to fit their agenda in spite of that.
Great job young man.
I cant believe he doesnt want to get a scholarship. He could go to most schools free.
This is an easy fix, start boycotting these schools. Stop fawning over and pursuing schools because of a name. They have made it clear over and over where their priorities lie. You want change, make it difficult for them to exist.
You wanna be treated with a doctor who got in medical school because of the color or the academic achievement ?😂
That's crazy because prior to the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the majority of doctors got into medical school because of the white color of the skin. So yeah, since the 1400's they were the only people who could become doctors. If it was okay for that long then why make a fuss about it now after only 60 years?
Both. You are more comfortable with a doctor that looks like you!
I’m speaking out as an Asian American in 90s with AA in place in California. I worked hard to get into great colleges and graduate with CS degree. However, I knew some of my classmates with lower high school grades did get in because of race. Some had to drop out because of academic. What if that opportunity was given to an Asian American who did great in high school but didn’t get in because of race?
Again, we can ASSUME but we really don't know if race was a factor here or not. Yes he checks all of the boxes on paper, but Harvard has plenty of students like him already. There is more than one type of excellence and Harvard admissions clearly understands that. Also, this kid had a 97% GPA while the girl had a 4.0. A lot of Asian students seem to believe that just because they check every box on an application, they should be automatically admitted. LIFE doesn't even work that way. Just because we do everything "right" doesn't guarantee you a certain outcome. He still got into a top school anyway, so I don't understand all the outrage.
@@tjaspire I have to somewhat agree with you.....while of course good grades and all of that are great, there is more that creates a solid, whole professional and contributor to society than just those things.
Of course, there is a risk with accepting smart kids from underprivileged backgrounds in the age of luxury-priced universities, since they may not be able to keep up with costs or family instability may keep them from graduating. Or their family trauma makes it harder for them to continue. But in general, a bunch of financially and socially privileged robots (regardless of race) are not necessarily always the best candidates to change the country.
@@tjaspire I’m talking about my situation and what I saw in 1990. That said, my son got rejected from my Alma Mater as EE major this year but heading to UCSD with a scholarship. I’m looking forward to moving him out of the house but said that he won’t be attending my school. However, I’m a proud dad and I know he will accomplish much more.
College is a business, and they have to keep the diversity train rolling to maintain their public image.
Do you care this much about legacy students ?
You have schools around the world like Seoul National University in Korea, Oxford in the UK, Tsinghua Univeristy in China, Moscow State University in Russia, all getting tens of thousand or hundreds of thousand of application of students clamoring to get in that are all very brilliant. You cannot expect that just because you’ve been told you’re brilliant because you have this and that quality, that you will be let in. It’s just not how that works. They can’t just make room for every brilliant student at the door. It’s sad but also very true. It’s gonna be okay kiddos. No matter what university you go to, if you really want to learn, and they have what you want to learn, you can continue on a wonderful path in life. It shouldn’t be at all disappointing that you didn’t make it into a top Ivy League. What matters is how you handle the rejection and move forward. You can always reapply later.
I’m black and this infuriates me. There are things in life that are not guaranteed, that’s life. No school should be looking at a person’s skin color and making a decision. Affirmative action pounds a person’s dignity. There are tons schools. Seek God above all else.
How could this young man not get into Harvard brilliant young man
You need at least a 4.0 gpa he had 3.89
@@jeremiahcurrie7861at a top tier high-school. That's like saying gett8ng a 4.0 at one of the worst high-school on the countru
Harvard has international students and there is a below 10% chance of being accepted.
Because these nonces banned affirmative action
He’s not smart enough. Can’t blame Affirmative Action now. All you have is the truth. Ha! He can thank his 🐥. Clearly the Assian dude that pushed for this wasn’t very smart. If he were, legacy students would have been on his hit list.
Can you just identify as a different race? ... can't be upset when they find out
Identify as a politicians child will get you in.
Just think if he identified as a black transgendered woman, he would be put on the Dean's list no matter if his grades reflected such an accomplishment or not
That... Would actually work 😂
@@metallica2500not even remotely true. You can’t actually believe this
@@grisellimay who would've ever believed that Harvard or Yale would make Asian students score higher than black students to get in
@@metallica2500 except that's not what's happening
There are limited spaces and many students like him. Discrimination is a real thing.
So diversity over quality, I guess it don’t matter to the banks who’s got student loan debt.
They still need the grades to get in. 🤡
Now think about all the surgeons, pilots, etc. who got to their position based on something other than merit and skill!
Their loss Duke gain. You will be fine kid.
The "quota" was on Asians, keeping their numbers at a limit. It had nothing to do with black people, that was an excuse, but they'll learn.
They will learn. They. Will. Learn
Stop saying diversity when you mean racism. Universities are openly racist, got sued, lost in supreme court and still claimed they will continue to be racist.
Racist towards who?
Asians?
If so why Asians make up the second largest population on Ivy League colleges by a large margin?
Being accepted to a top university is like making the top 10 of American Idol. You don't need it to be successful, but it can help you market yourself and get to where you want faster. Also, it is no guarantee of success. The individual still needs to put in the effort to be a success in the future.
I think the news media does a disservice by inferring that if these kids are not accepted to the top schools they wont ever be as successful as they could. It is just not true. At least in the U.S.
You guys can still get where you want to go by going to a lesser known institution with a better acceptance rate and putting in the effort in your career. Don't let these adults tell you any different!
good to do away w affirmative action. whether u advance or not should be based solely on merit, not the shade of your skin
Incredible, nothing in her story of disadvantage and challenge had anything to do with race. Her parents failed to provide her with an environment that would be supportive of her academic success, you can't blame that on racism. Let's hear why her father was arrested and went to jail and why no one else in her family stepped in to help.
The fact that she got into all the ivy league schools and he (with a perfect academic record) could not, is testament to how backwards and racist our system is. She just wants an easier time getting in, as does everyone else. The system favors those who claim to be the biggest victims. This is the kind of racism that people on the left cannot seem to identify while being able find it in practically everything else.
First of all, this video was after those schools eliminated race based admissions in affirmative action, so she got in with a system as hard as he was applying to lmfao. So despite living a harder life than he did, she went through the exact same neutral process, but this doesn't flick off a switch on your brain rotted culture war parasitic mind because you cannot fathom the reality that she achieved this without affirmative action. You're an absolute nimrod and an embarrassment to humanity
Watched it multiple times. Where did she emphasize race intertwining with her disadvantages in her package? Also, why does it matter what her father did? Is her father applying to the school? Also, we don't know her family; she might not have had any other resources family-wise…
Since affirmative Action is gone, she wrote about her disadvantages in life, and it was successful. She played by the books. In fact, seems like her package and stories emphasized race less than the first student in the video.
Also, no, he didn't have a ‘perfect’ academic record, it was a 97.3/100, it was pretty damn strong, but it wasn't ‘perfect’ like you mention.
Was she perfect academically? I'm not sure, and I doubt it regarding extracurriculars, but a 4.0 GPA is technically perfect.
In reality, we don't know their admissions package; we only know what was presented in the video, and it seems like the first student didn't have a lot to write about, so he had to focus on his Chinese identity, while the lady who got accepted into schools had a more complex life with little resources yet still managed to get a 4.0
I implore you to think critically instead of displaying behavior that is similar to that of every other chronologically online political doom-scroller who can't conceptualize the world outside of the news.
The system does not favor those who are the biggest victims.
The system favors those who can make a compelling package and sell themselves and their story.
I find it hilarious that people are dumb enough to believe being a ’victim’ guarantees instant admissio into schools. You clearly know nothing. Socio-economic status has more favor than race ever will, in fact 71% of Black, Hispanic, and Native American students at Harvard came from the top socioeconomic fifth of their respective racial groups nationally - and the percentage is even higher for White and Asian.
So, in reality, it’s easier when you have more money, more resources, etc.
@@literatinyc How can you say "it seems like the first student didnt have a lot to write about" when u clearly just mentioned "we dont know their admissions package." Assuming much? These common app essays are meant to be personal, and its bascially impossible to judge how well their essay was written based off this video.
@@iconickeyboard7640 I'm not assuming, and in your comment, you literally state the reason why I am in no place to assume-we don't know their admissions package.
What I'm saying is that *FROM THE CONTENT OF THE VIDEO ALONE* I am purely guessing that he did not have as much content to write about or focus on compared to the other girl; thus, he relied more on his ethnic origin.
I am purely *GUESSING* because the situation is unclear, and I provide the connotation multiple times. *To ‘assume’* means I would consider the idea true or valid, which I don't because as you stated yourself, I said we don't know their package.
I'm allowed to take a stab at a reason without assuming.
I could be completely wrong, and he could have had the world to write about!
You DO realize that Harvard is inundated with excellent and outstanding applicants and they have to reject thousands of them every year? This is not "discrimination" and he is not a victim here. Our HS valedictorian had a 5.0 GPA and she was waitlisted by Harvard and that was in the early 2000s. Just because you check every box on an application, doesn't mean that you're guaranteed admission.
There are so many options around the world for better and cheaper college. Do a little research and send your kids abroad for higher education. 50k-250k in debt and a college retaining your degree, because you use your freedom of expression, is not worth it.
In 2020, California voted against affirmative action -- 57%.
The most diverse state.
The bluest state.
The biggest state.
57%.
Let that sink in.
Yes and your point? Just want some more context, as I believe you.
@@nwezetx1 My point is that it is wrong to give people something based on their race. We live in a democracy, and the people agree. No more race-based college admission.
@@JL13675 they voted against it because california is majority white or asian. people vote for stuff that benefits them
All the supreme court said is that asians cant be discriminated against in affirmative action tests. Its the schools that decided to "adjust" or eliminate the tests.
That is not what the Supreme Court said in its decision. In a 6-3 ruling,1 the Court held that Harvard and UNC’s admissions programs, which account for race at various stages in the process, violate the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Nothing was said in the ruling about Asians at all.
Try again.
@@omi_god u weren't listening to the case. Asians brought it.
@@omi_god You're mistaken, in the decision Asian students were mentioned in section 2 of the ruling that states the equal protection clause protects against race being used as a negative and noted the First Circuit found that Harvard's consideration of race resulted in less Asian students being admitted. According to the court College admissions are zero sum, if one group gets a benefit it negatively
effects another group.
Of course that elite high School in Virginia last year found a way to negatively affect Asian student admissions without factoring race at all. They just reserved spots in every school, and since the top Asian students went to the same 2 or 3 schools their admissions were negatively affected reducing Asians from 73% admissions to 54%. It makes sense the Supreme Court declined to hear this case.
Institutions know what to do, they will enroll more students of alumni and wealthy students. Those schools were designed for the rich and now it will go back to the rich.
It’s the worst thing to happen in collage low quality students
What I learned from this story is working hard doesn’t always matter. And that your color of your skin does.
actually your color of skin, gender, are you fat, do you look like a hairy middle eastern man even if white matters more than what you know and your grades.
That's a complete lie. Hard work always pays off. And he still got into a top school. Just because you check all the boxes doesn't guarantee you your desired outcome in life. A good life lesson for him and anyone who thinks like him. I'm sure will absolutely enjoy his time at Duke University. And maybe great students like him can put Duke "on the map" even more.
@@tjaspireThe problem is that with the same amount of hard work that people put in, the ones with special skin color get less award. This is a social justice issue. I know this boy is going to do great in Duke and the rest of his life if he continues his hard work. But he could have been achieved even better if not for the bamboo ceiling. Isn’t our job as adults and taxpayers to create a better society that allows people with different colors, personalities and backgrounds to have the same opportunity to compete and succeed in their own way?
@SuperJK, Ambiguous comment, working hard for who and which color of skin? Are you saying only one person worked hard to get into their desired college and another did not? What proof do you have of such? Please define working hard. Which skin color matters? Brown, black, or white, help us to understand. I noticed you were blank on legacy admissions which often lacks a deep dive when this topic is being discussed, disappointing for all of us.
@@texroy1644 It means you can work your ass off and still not get into college. Today there's no grantee of going to college nor getting a good job. Even if you get a GPA of 4.0 or 5.0 you still might not get in and it's due to affirmative action and other laws that allow people that perform lower to get your spot.
The emphasis on school rankings is crazy. What's wrong with going to a school like Rutgers? Or NC State? University of Missouri? University of Texas? Georgia State?
Think about any dream or goal you have. Stop it, it's stupid. Don't work hard for it because you can always settle for something else.
Are you being obtuse on purpose or are you really that dense?
Here is “what is wrong”. The quality of professors is bad. I went to UCLA who have renowned professors that regularly come out in documentaries like The History Channel, or making ground breaking research finding genetic cures like CRISPR Cas-9. These professors sometimes are nobel laureates or ivy league professors that came to UCLA. Imagine studying at a large university with loads of research opportunities to further your interest in a field, surrounded by outstanding professors and faculty, and very smart students. All your connections and networking is high quality. I also went to a community college and a state school to go study more after finishing my UCLA degree. The teachers were so bad (aka meaning they didn’t even understand what they were teaching and I literally taught the answers to test bank questions the professor himself could not answer) and the students were low quality. Meaning, they just wanted a job. They or either low class or low middle class. The educational content is the same - math can only be so different. What matters is the quality of people that the student can be surrounded by. I still have great connections with friends made at UCLA, friends who are in very high places either by wealth, job, or political power. That is why school ranking is necessary.
@@TerryHausenn I’m a college professor, and while I don’t teach at any of these schools that these kids want to go to, a large number of my students turn out just fine. In the meantime I’ve met and chatted with a number of students from so-called top schools and some (definitely not all) are entitled morons. So yea I guess I’m dense, and you can get lost
There are so many pieces like this online but everyone (or almost everyone--legacy excluded, probably) admitted into Ivy League universities is like this first student; absolutely exceptional. I also understand that academics and extracurriculars alone aren't enough anymore because there are SO many applicants, and these schools want-and should want-interesting people from all walks of life. Having a university population composed of 40+% of any one race isn't representative of the world nor is it all that enriching for the institution and student body. Moreover, and to be blunt, these schools are corridors of power; should good grades and extracurriculars be all that determine who gets a shot? I personally don't think so, but I'm just a person on the internet.
I was stationed at Fort Bragg/Liberty, sometimes on weekends I would go up to the Raleigh area to look at UNC, NCSU, and Duke. Phenomenal area, congrats young man! Duke is a stellar university!
A State school is just as good as any….explore your options..
College admissions should be based on merit, not some "injustice" that happened many generations ago. End of story.
It "should" be that way, but the reality is that it does not.
So that is not the end of the story.
The whole point is that often the “merit” in question is based on many factors that have nothing to do with it: your parent’s income, the neighborhood you grew up in, the funding your schools received based on the property taxes paid in your area, etc.
@@poolerboyAnd race has nothing to do with it, so what’s your point?
@@nazomius7033 Oh but it does. I’ll give you an example. If you live in a stable country and can invest long term, values generally go up. So if you took $100 and invested it in 1863, and the average annual inflation-adjusted return in the US stock market has been around 7%, in 1864, it would be $107. By 2004, it’d be $1,390,313. By 2018, $3,584,970. And so on.
What does this have to do with race? Well, to this day African-Americans make a lot less money than whites and have higher rates of unemployment, and even if you purposefully overlook studies showing current-day employer discrimination, the centuries of inequality have already compounded, most powerfully through land and housing. Statistically, a white American is likely to have parents or grandparents who have bought a house over 50 years ago and paid somewhere in the ballpark of tens of thousands for it then, and now worth hundreds of thousands. The gov’t played a huge role in that. Because almost half of all city homeowners were in default during the Great Depression, the New Deal unleashed mortgage credit to the population. _However_ , the Federal House Administration (FHA) wouldn’t insure mortgages in areas it decided were too risky, and the way it was calculated was by race. If a black family moved in it was seen as a threat to housing prices. So the FHA drew“redlining” maps. It may be tempting to say that this was in the past, but the cumulative effect of compounding interest created a disparity seen even today. Federally enforced segregation affected things like the jobs one could access, where one’s kids went to schools (especially given that public schools are largely funded through property tax and are disparately funded), how safe they were, and whether one’s home increased in value. One hundred years of discrimination since slavery left a huge homeownership gap, which in turn affected generational wealth accumulation by race and, in turn, access to resources. Given that the narrative of “merit” is incomplete because it doesn’t contextualize it with deliberate inequalities, universities, as one way to include said context back into the equation, took into consideration such an factor.
Easy to say when your parents and grandparents benefitted from a system that fucked over non-white people. Learn some history or next it might be you on the other end of the stick.
"Affirmative Action", or "reverse discrimination", especially at a publicly funded school, is illegal/unconstitutional.
These students are our very best! Regardless of the metrics used, these students should be accepted because our future, our Country and our Institutions needs the best of the best.
Doesn't work in employment either too put someone unqualified on a job and have to have someone come behind and fix what they messed up.
Are you saying affirmative action lowers the standard for others to get in?
Sorry, but I think you have misunderstood what Affirmative Action was about. And you can't honestly believe white wealthy kids are the only bright ones?
@rayamanelly absolutely yes if that DEI hire isn't properly trained. I'm retired military, everyone was trained the same and held to the same standard. When I reviewed award and promotion packages I had someone else blackout the name, gender and race so I could focus on the accomplishments.
@joeh4295
I understand what you're saying, but your point has nothing to do with affirmative action. If you did for example, look at an un redacted file of someone that just barely met the standards for promotion and the person happens to be a minority in a sea of applicants who fit the racial identity of the hegemony group who by numbers alone would do better than and decided for some emotional reason approve the package, that's a personal choice. If your job has no policy for that, then you should be subject to termination. You never mentioned your job having a policy lowering some quality bar.
@@rayamanelly There are enough gifted students out there and, lo and behold, not only wealthy white kids. No need to lower standards.