(1674) Review: LockLab Approved COMBO Lock!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 20. 03. 2020
- In video 1674 we'll look at the Abus 190/60CS, the FIRST LockLab approved combo lock! For the first time a manufacturer has given us a well designed, tough combination lock that is not easily bypassed or picked open. At $56 they are not the cheapest lock, but worth every penny for the extra security and peace of mind.
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Amazon reviews claim this thing will shatter with a couple hard hits of a hammer. There are several pictures showing shattered locks. Bill can we get a physical attack video on this?
Yes! Caveman that lock open! Ooga booga.
It won't it's 0.28 inch thick tool steel with hardened steel surrounding it, the shackle would need a grinder to open... the easiest way to attack that lock is actually to enter the correct code... sure it's 10000 combinations but if you don't know that you'll have to suppress the shackle for it to open, it won't get opened, Sure normally 10000 combinations is only 3333 seconds of decoding it, by brute testing each code, but seeing as you'll have to try pushing the shackle as well it's going to be a lot longer. I mean it's almost an hour normally... it might even be up towards 3 hours, sure these are the worst case scenario times, but assuming that you either start with 5000 or 0000 as your starting point then it is reduced to 28 minutes for a normal 10000 combinations lock, and perhaps 1.5 hours for this ABUS one. You just need some spare time in the middle of the night to do it as no one would be looking then either way.
Ramset! Ramset!
@@livedandletdie Well that is alot of fancy numbers. But unless you have tried stand there with a hammer and actual tried it yourself on this very lock, you really dont know for sure. You only asume based on infomation from previous locks you know about and/or steel :P
Amazon reviews should always be taken with a grain of salt. I'm sure that it can be broken open, even if I'm somewhat skeptical of how easy the Amazon reviewers think it is. All that out of the way though, a lock that you need to break to get past is better than one that can be easily and covertly bypassed, regardless of how tough the bypassible lock is.
What a well engineered lock. Waiting for LPL:s take on that one...
Hello this is the LPL and today we're going to open this locks with a corn (Two seconds later the locks are open)
@@robertopavon7453 Pretty much what I was going to say... I was going to say "Give him a Red Bull can and two seconds..."
Oh yes...I remember those S&Gs. They were like opening a bank vault and whenever you got a successful open on the first try, it felt like Beethoven's 9th symphony ought to play loudly at your triumph.
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@shane That's gotta take about 3 minutes to open. Probably there because you have access to some fun switches. :D
Yeah S&G make good locks, didn't realise they ever made them in padlock form though, pretty impressive to get basically an actual safe lock into a padlock.
When I bought a gun safe, I had to chose between one with a mechanical or an electronic lock (both Sargent and Greenleaf). After watching the salesman fumble for 5 minutes trying to open the mechanical lock, I bought the electronic lock. Still works great 10 years later. Battery is replaceable from outside the lock so no worries about a dead battery.
I own 4 of those locks and I never have a hard time opening them because I set the combinations. I know what you mean though. It all depends on how precisely the combination numbers were set. If you change the combination, do it as accurately as you can by centering the numbers very precisely, then you won't have problems opening the lock afterward.
I had one of those Sargent & Greenleaf locks on the filing cabinet in my office when I worked at a Navy R&D center. It was a complete pain to open, so I eventually got them to remove the filing cabinet and stopped keeping classified documents in my office.
I remember using something like the Sargent locks in the Marine Corps, back in the '70s. And of course it was locked onto a hasp you could break with a screwdriver! lol
Those were meant for protection against SURREPTITIOUS opening, not destruction. Often these were placed on locking bars on 26gauges file cabinets.... lol Even a class 6 container with a Mas Hamilton Auditcon electronic lock.... made to be drilled open with a hole saw...... actually, GSA REQUIRED use of a specific hole saw of a certain minumum diameter.... so drawer could not be repaired, you replace the drawer front. You must always go back to the PURPOSE. These containers were usually within a protected structure, in a locked room within a server room, or other overlapped security area.
@@citylockapolytechnikeyllcc7936 Exactly. To even get to the lock, you have to:
1. Know exactly where the SCIF is
2. Get past multiple armed security forces
3. Get past a blast-resistant SCIF vault door
The DOD still uses the 8077 series. I think they're at the 8077AD now. They are still a pain in the ass to open, but damn if they aren't secure.
I never thought I'd see the day! An actual approved Lock. And from the Darth Vader line, no less.
I think they got tired of Bill making them look like idiot's đ€Łđ€Ł Said ok this guy wants to be a pain on our butt try n beat this sucker. (more reality of the entire lock sport community but I'm sure Bill's feed back helped)
IKR. I saw Approved and didn't even read title. đ€Ł
Would be nice if ABUS would list this on their web page , or if it would be in some shops too .
Bill demonstrating the major problem with 4 digit combo locks... a good majority of combinations start with 19 or 20...
Chlorate so do it backwards
@@FishFind3000 Us old folks might use 18XX LOL.
@@dogshome7110 bill wasn't born in 78
He probably graduated in 1978
I had a combination lock from Goodwill I've been trying to decode on and off for months. Your tip got it done in 5 seconds. 1995.
First commercially available CPU was the 4004, followed by the 8008, next the 8080, then the 8085, and finally we get to the 8088
The first processor I had was an 8086.. didnât know 8085 existed.. or typo?
No GBatT, the 8085 was an improved 8080. The 8086 did build on the 8080 to a degree, but is different enough to be considered a new family of processors that we now often call x86. Other processors in the x86 family are the 80186, 80286, 80386 and the 80486, but it doesn't stop there as all the core, pentium, xeon and atom processors from intel are descendants from the venerable 8086.
The 8088 is actually also a part of the x86 family despite it's name, as it's a 8086 with 8 bit data bus instead of 16 bit.
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I came across 4040 processors at the Steetley works in Worksop in the 80s. 8" floppy drives and 4 bit processing. The CPU sequenced and weighed carbon black into blue engineering bricks I think.
8086 came out a couple of months before 8088, 8086 wasn't popular because of the 16 bit external data bus meant more RAM chips were needed so Intel made the 8088 with multiplexed data lines.
The 8088 was also an Intel microprocessor and not a Microchip microcontroller.
Love seeing when you recommend a lock, especially a combination lock.
As always, thank you Bill. I get a lot of enjoyment watching you review in the many degrees you do, these locks.đ
Take a 1/8" cobalt drill and make a hole on the opposite side in the same spot so you can tap out the pin and we can see the inside. Thanks!
YES thank you Bill. I like the S&G 8077, that dial is hard to get right to open the lock. I usually need to bump the lock down several times to pop the shackle up.
Thanks for the review Bill. Looks like a fantastic product.
Wow. Never thought I would see a combo lock recommended. Congrats, ABUS.
Bill - great review as always. That lock is really impressive. Glad to see Abus hunkering down and fixing the weaknesses.
i wonder the pin reset key point is the weakness part
Oh wow! Flashback! When you brought out those old Sergeant locks! Those bring back memories from my US Navy days back in the eighties!! Thanks, Bill. Nice to know Iâm a âcollectorâs itemâ. đ€Łđ€Ł
Yeah, I remember those S&G locks from back in the day.
Nice to see a very well thought out design for a change.
Thank you Bill for all the videos and education and entertainment! I helped me get hooked on lockpicking as a hobby. Enjoy these days!
Loved this video. finally a lock worth buying.Thanks Bill
Well that was the best Contest site I have seen from a youtube contest ever, no 50 links and subs/likes to pages I never want to be on to begin with ect so forth. So along with this lock - and subbing for first time (found you from LPL channel) this has been very unusual evening. Well done.
amazing lock! Thank you @Bosianbill!
I have a 8077AB and I asked LPL via email if he wanted a go at it. Never heard back. I had suggested doing a video about good locks that couldn't be opened in a two minute video, but never heard anything. I appreciate your showing some pretty secure locks. Thank you.
Awesome video as usual. Keep up the great work.
This video really helped me, thanks @BosnianBill
Definitely going to want to pick up a couple of these.
Thx Bill đ
You sure made me feel special with your comments about the S&G U.S. Government Security Padlocks, since I used to pick them on a regular basis. I never met anyone else who had as much success as I did, but generally I could open one within half an hour, IF I could open it. About one in four would absolutely defeat me. I suppose that having to actually use these padlocks on a regular basis and being used to the "countdown" made it somewhat easier, but a steady pull while turning the dial was not helpful. Instead, a lift on the shackle with each digit would eventually let me identify the combination. I really enjoy your videos, and eagerly await each new one. Thanks for bringing so many enjoyable content to us.
Thanks Bill. That is a really useful lock to know about.
Bill - thanks for the review! After watching your vids, buying a cheap pick set and practicing on old locks from my work I was beginning to think all padlocks were a sham.
Wow incredible nice job Bill.
Really not bad at all! Happy to see they take notes.
@Bosnianbill Thank you for the video and more importantly, thank you for a recommendation video. It is all well & good seeing you pick open all sorts of locks - most entertaining I assure you - but it is nice to see what you think are good standards for locks that are commercially available.
Thanks Bill great video đâđâđđ
That was a very interesting review Bill, Thank you Sir ;-)
After watching this video youâve convinced me to purchase one for my shed. Thanks
An impressive padlock, and nice to see it dis-assembled somewhat. To Bill, and everyone else, I say; stay safe, stay healthy...
I love Abus locks I currently have the Granit extreme 59 u lock HB310 and the Granit Extreme 59 plus chain 170cm! đđđ
Very nice! Abus did a good job on that one. I wonder if Bill has tried the same thing on the CCL Super Sesamee combo padlocks (K636, K637, K646) and how they would hold up.
I have several of those Sargent and Greenleaf locks and they are excellent. I have used them outside for short times with no problem.
I've used an 8077AD outside. With tens of opens per day, you can get over a years use before they start acting up (or at least perceived acting up... these are prone to user error and can be frustrating to the point you think it is broken). In most cases, you are one who is broken!
First microprocessor was the 4004 in 1971. The 8088, a crippled 8086, didn't turn up until the early 80s.
There was the 8008 and the 8085 as well.
great to see a decent combination lock! Can you do the non-CS version as well? It looks overall lighter, not just missing the shackle guard.
sweet bill great video and info thank you
You can buy those S&G locks on security snobs, pricy though but they are worth it
Used- combo already provided $55
New- factory brand new $245
I had to use that second greenleaf one every other day for years to unlock our shop. I can confirm it's easy to forget how to open it, and easier to get it wrong.
Awesome video!
Excellent review. Once you got the shackle guard out of they way it looks like it might be a bit easier to shim the shackle. Nice giveaway.
great work bill. would have really liked to see that lock fully machined open though, might have exposed a weakness.
Excellent review
Abus deserves a medal. Also I suggest we the insiders grant them free publicity and of course let us show this lock to those possible customers we feel are worthy
Great review as ever
Good lock, definitely one to consider. đ
I have a couple of the S&G locks...should look at selling them. At least ABUS is making is upping the game.
At 6:43 there was a discontinuity in the vid so right then we knew he wasn't going to pick it, continuous video being Rule One of genuine CZcams lockpickers. Thanks BB!
Thanks for showing a approve combination lock.
the ancient Sargent combo lock... very nice
Whow, impressive!
I was hoping you or LPL would review this Abus lock. Thanks
Impressive combo lock
I was really hoping you worth going to show us how to get this open I've had one for like 1/2 years now not been able to get it opened
Kudos, Bill, for recognizing the number 8088 as an early microprocessor. I thought only nerds like me knew that. đ (I don't think it was the first, though.)
Hey, about that Abus lock: you showed how you have to push the shackle down to open it. My immediate thought was, what if I pick the wrong lock size for my shed? If I size it too small, and there's no room to do that, would it be stuck forever on my shed? đŹđš Sorry if that's a dumb question. I watch your channel in fascination, because I am far from an expert.
Thanks for the tear down and I would love to see a destructive attack/exploit.
Good Morning. Great video.
I worked with that S&G in the early 90s, they are simply made as a secure seal, most of the time used on classified file cabinets over as S&G safe lock that could be on all 4 drawers, every time I saw them in use.... you have no chance to get close to them without getting shot and killed! I had 4 of them and some guy who I truserd got rid of them. now they have been replaced with Mas Hamilton if you know how they are much easier to open, assuming there not mounted with a glass plate behind them.
Bill, I am still waiting on that Gerda.
A fair bit of effort to try to attack this lock!.
Thank you so much for the pinning tray and stickers Bill, I just got them via my buddy Squint in Texas, I think you sent them many months ago. Thank you so much.!đđđđ
The super sesamee is identical to that Abus, as far as the body and armour. The sesamee doesn't have rest though. I found the sesamee, and ended up having to rip it apart, just like you did with the abus. Decoding it was hard, I had to make a special curved decoder.
Nice to see a real lock.
@BosnianBill - You indicated these were available on Amazon, I looked at the reviews and I think you should too - especially the negative ones.... There's a pretty consistent theme that they don't function for nog, don't accept lube well, and shatter when smacked (more like a pot-metal than steel).
Iâd really like to learn this trade. Thank you for your great narrative videos
Awesome videos buddy :D
Great lock!
I may go and order one of those licks now.
Beautiful lock but I really really want to see a progressive destructive entry test.... I need this I'm enjoying semi lockdown here lol
I've been looking for one and that not would be a great start for me to get into physical security!
Great lock.
Finally a good combo lock!
Oh wow, a combination lock that finally gets the LockLab approval. That thing dose seem fairly tough at a decent price point.
Seems like a good sturdy lock. Finally a combo lock that works. The Amazon reviews don't seem to be that great although sometimes reviews can be very deceiving.
Dad had a Sargent & Greenleaf 8088 that someone gave him when he was in the Navy. He kept it in his desk and would occasionally take it out and try to open it. The combination had been lost, which is why it was given to him. In the 12 years i saw him play with it, he never opened it. He was pretty good with combination locks, and had even opened a safe at a Navy base when the officers who knew the combination were unavailable. But that S&G never gave up its secret.
By the way, there were commercial microprocessors that predate the 8088. CP/M computers in the late 1970s used the 8080, 8085, and Z80.
If there is indeed no known, accessible, deliberate technique to open those other than trying every possible combination, then one basically has two options with them - give up trying completely or hook them up to a computerized combination breaker that will roll them through every possible combination in a short time. Simply trying a few more combinations every now and then doesn't seem to be of much use. But hey, we all need a hobby...
I have this 3 number travel lock for laptops, luggage and such. Didn't take much time to simply bruteforce the combination.
He does exist!!!
There is a lock approved by professional lock picker ! Even that 8 out of 10 scale on the package doesnât mean that much as an approval of BOSNIANBILL.đ
@bosnianbill You should take a gander at the Amazon reviews. It appears that the lock is not as great as you think. There are issues with the shackle guard not being made of the material you assumed, along with other various problems.
Nice giveaway but after seeing some reports about it breaking maybe you should keep it to do some destructive testing on it. Still its a nice looking lock. I still can't open my lockwood combo lock though lol.
Great video
Even without the armour this would be an impressive lock. Thanks for the recommendation
Out of all the lock company's out there I have always liked Abus the most. They seem to make the toughest locks of all.
I have heard tails of the 8088 being decoded using a shim through the change key lever. There is a Spanish video on you tube to that effect, but I don't know Spanish.
Bill, I purchased a couple of the 8077âs and 8088âs. I have combos for them. A couple seem to need to be cleaned up/lubed. Any thoughts on cleaning maintaining these? Thanks!!!
i have one of these! got it about 2 years before this video was uploaded.
i would absolutely lock my guns behind it.
HI BILL great videos fun to watch learning heaps just starting out im learning and subscribe to locklab but am in NZ i can t seem to see the giveaway buttons are we to far away in NZ for your awesome lock giveaways over here were stuck with heaps of terrible master locks may the force be with you brother
They sure did put some effort into this one. Nice breakdown and review.
Hey Bill--I enjoy your videos. Do you ever conduct testing with a sledgehammer?
raked my first lock at seven with a bobby pin and cut my first set at twenty seven and now one of me kids wants to learn but in australia every thing is illegal so back out with the kitchen knives and grinder to make him some rakes soon,a great skill i wreckon.
Other half got me a practice lock... didn't stop at customs, but I hear you. Maybe try ordering from Aussie companies to get around that?
Very nice. I was looking at the Federal combo lock recently also. Not sure how it compares to this one.
I'm really curious about that Assa Abloy puck combo lock... AA-SR400 I think it's sold under Federal too.. I would love to know if those are shim-able or bypass-able..
Did you ever try the factory combo its 4 turns to clear lock then counter clockwise then land on 25 then turn clockwise to 0 ? Also if you lay it on top of a dual head stethoscope speaker up and go slow you can find the combo in a few minute's by hearing the gates i have a few of this both personally ones and at work
Is it shimable after the top shield is removed? Looks pretty good.
Cool lock
Do you think you'll be able to see the gates if you drill from the side thru the pin that's blocking the hole?
I had to disassemble a Master 176 once that had the same pin holding the mechanism in it. If you hit it with a small hammer while holding it in your hand the pin will back out enought to get some needle nose pliers on it and pull it out. Will see if I can find a link to the source I used. The hammer trick may work for that pin too.
cdn.lock-lab.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Decode-Master-Lock-Combination-Locks.pdf. What do ya know, it was actually a post made in the lock lab forums where I learned about it.
Ya rock. Never let anyone tell you otherwise.
Great thank you ...