Ring Debate - Cam Newton vs Shannon Sharpe (Jordan, Kobe, Iverson, Barkley, Malone, Clark, Bonds)
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- RING DEBATE - Cam Newton vs Shannon Sharpe (Jordan, Kobe, Iverson, Charles Barkley, Malone, Caitlin Clark, Barry Bonds)
Shannon Sharpe: I believe you can be great without winning a championship. But in order for us to add the -est you have to have won a championship.
Cam Newton: You’re thinking about a lot of determining factors.
SS: The same determining factors that went into winning the MVP.
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You have to win a ring to be labeled a champion. You play to be a champion. End of discussion.
It’s all about WINNING. People try to discredit winning championships as if that’s not why you do this in the first place. You can’t be the greatest in anything if you were never the best in a single year.
So is Bill Russell the undisputed, unquestioned, unequivocal GOAT in NBA history?
11 rings > 6
@@Terror832Exactly!!!! As soon as someone brings up Bill the goal post gets moved. “But the era he played in etc…” Being the G.O.A.T. at your position is mostly about your own stats, winning the most chips is a team accomplishment we just start making it about one player since the start of the 90’s.
@@Terror832 @natetrix79 No, championships is the MINIMUM requirement to be in the conversation for GOAT but it’s not the sole factor.
@@Terror832 you said it not him😂
Only the best "team" gets a championship.
My only thing about rings. It’s takes a TEAM! One player can’t win a ring. But a team can. It’s such a lop sided argument. Better situation for different players if you think about it.
One player can’t accumulate stats either. You literally need everyone else to do their job to get stats. If 10 players do their job and score a TD but one is offsides that negates the TD and the yards associated with it. Try again though👍 Also better situations can give different players better stats too.
@@ChrisHoward141”one player can’t accumulate stats” literally Jordan’s 87 year was just that. One player accumulating stats
Dan Marino is one of the greatest QBs of all time, and he doesn't have a ring. Terry Bradshaw has multiple rings, and he is not one of the greatest QBs of all time.
Terry Bradshaw stats doesn’t even show elite qb at all
I told my son that Matthew Stafford was Marino reincarnated
It’s champion champions or bust the standard is what it is!!
But he can never be the GOAT or in the conversation.
@@bradleyborno71 stafford got a Ring though!
The Lebron Vs Jordan debate ruined how we see great athletes. Everything is ring counting now smh. But we all know Julian Edelman (3 rings) isn’t Larry Fitzgerald (0 rings) & Dan Marino (0 rings) is better than Eli Manning (2 rings). Rings have become insanely overrated
No, rings are the ultimate goal. We all know his isn’t better than Larry
The 2 aren’t equal. Rings start meaning more when you’re in those goat convos
Fr it definitely helps if you have championships & show up in the big moment, but at the same time it’s a TEAM sport above all. Sometimes u do plenty to win a championship (Brady throwing for 505 Vs Eagles & still losing) and it’s still not enough. Because it’s a TEAM sport.
@@aaronadams140 wait so Barry Sanders not in the GOAT conversation cuz he didn’t win a ring? But Marshawn Lynch can be since he has a ring?
@@user-to3yp1qn5h everything is a team sport. That still doesn’t change it. He still loss because he didn’t do enough. Stars make the difference.
Larry Fitzgerald is one of the greatest wide receivers of all time. No rings but he was soooo close to winning one as a legendary playoff performer he is in 09, 10 and 16
Another example is Barry Sanders.
@@leronmclean9361 he’s also one of my favorite running backs from the past… have a jersey of him when I was a baby 😅 his highlights are insane 🔥
Fitz had a superbowl winning Touchdown. Their defense lost them the championship. Does the defensive performance on that final drive take away from Fitz's moment? I guess that's subjective
@@nathansimpson5721 I feel that Larry Fitzgerald’s performance can’t be subtracted away only cuz the defense couldn’t hold their own, also Larry was responsible for two of the Cardinals three offensive drives while the defense did create the safety points
I love how Shannon approaches these kinds of discussions. You don't have to agree with everything, but you respect his view points. Much love Uncle.
That hat needs it's own show.
Lol he looks like cat in the hat
People will cry and call me broke but that hat is ugly af. 🤷🏾♂️ head ahh…
Making it into the league is a win all in itself.
Great is cool, but champions are legendary.
Barry Sanders definitely has the "est" and he aint even ever sniffed a ring. ITS A TEAM SPORT. CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE A TEAM ACCOMPLISHMENTS
Exactly especially in FOOTBALL ; LAMAR JACKSON CAN NOT RUN ON THE FIELD AND PLAY DEFENSE 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Football can get away with not winning because so many parts have to come together, basketball great players have more of an impact on winning a championship
Basketball you play offense and defense
Robert horry got hella rings yu not bout to tell me he’s a greater player then iverson
No.
But when Players are relatively close statistically. Rings start to matter.
@@brotherLee340 true
Why is that always the go to comparison when trying to downplay the importance of rings?
The thing is rings become the divider when we’re discussinga the truly GOAT. Like no one would ever say that Horry was better than AI, but if you’re asking was AI better than Clyde Drexler or Jerry West then rings start to weigh more.
Great Discussion
Leaves you having two Perspectives
Cam 🛑 stop trying to change the standards of rules..
The ring is sealing the deal.. that's business !
True but it's a Team Sport....
We can't look at who has more...
A team starts with a great individual that can ring it
Yeah but I think that’s for the media. But truly a great qb can’t just bring a bad team to a ring. Look how many times Brady got lucky 🤷🏾♂️
half of the best players to ever play the game aint got a ring.
@@christianshaw2450 half the “best players” are merely only marketed the best. There are many individuals who impact the game at a high level who aren’t being marketed. Just like the engineers who were work horses behind Steve Jobs , bill gates and mark Zuckerberg creations.
Love how Shay respectfully disagrees until Cam had no choice BUT 2 accept that 'chips do matter...
Winning a championship is the ultimate goal in sports. Being a champion takes everything to the next level.
this is Cam trying to justify his greatness because he didn't win....
facts
That's not true. I mean unless YOU TALKED TO HIM AND HE TOLD YOU THAT
Cam is still a QB Great despite not winning a superbowl ring. same with Randy Moss, Larry Fitzgerald, Dan Marino and Barry Sanders
2015 Panthers should of won because Peyton was like 40 percent healthy lol
Based off of your comment…at the peak of their respective careers…who would you rather have as your starting QB to build a team from scratch…between Joe Flacco, Trent Dilfer, Eli Manning and Cam Newton?
Karl Malone was not a shot away that was game 6 not 7
I guess he assumed he would win the next one.😏
I honestly think the HOF gives you the est.
Everybody can't be the "Greatest"
That's how I feel about the "Goat" conversation. You can be the best of your Era, BUT NOT the "goat."
I think Shannon's argument works in general but I think Caitlin Clark is a good "against" argument. All the other players that Shannon mentioned were part of the UConn machine and they all had great teammates whereas Caitlin Clark pretty much dragged Iowa to relevance herself.
Also when you break it down by position, especially in the NFL where aside from QB we don't really hold rings against any other position. Emmitt Smith doesn't get put over Barry Sanders despite having 3 rings.
I’m not a cam stan or anything like that but man this dude is really good with his sports knowledge and his delivery. Him and RG3 are great media personalities.
Except rg3 says a lot of things out of shock jock. Doesn't seem truly genuine
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Nothing I hate more than a "what blue shade is the sky?" debate.
Cam is defending himself in this conversation. 3 winning seasons as a starting QB just doesn’t cut it
shut up...
Tell that to Andrew luck lol
I don’t think so. He’s just saying that people always judge QBs on wins but that’s really ridiculous
Bruh you are absolutely right..... Anybody saying anything else is a hater
How many seasons did he play?@@GLA45Amg716
It’s always the guys who have no rings talking about how Championships don’t matter.
It seems Cam wants everyone to be judged on “impact”, raw talent, and potential.
Barry Sanders is one of the greatest at his position
Barry's The G.O.A.T at RB
@RastaMonJae_35 did you ever see Walter Payton play?
This is one of the realest conversations about GOAT/ Greatest I’ve heard. Rings are that something extra that separates. There levels to this. Rings should not define an individual’s career or accomplishments on the court, but a ring enhances that greatness because now you have done something that displays your greatness on another level. You have elevated a team not just yourself. But you are still the great player that you are without a ring. Malone is still one of the top Power Forwards in NBA history but you can’t put him above Tim Duncan, but Robert Horry is not above Karl Malone even though he had 7 rings. Great conversation between these two.
Rings should be less of an issue judging an athlete's career legacy in a sports, where a minimum of 9 or more players are required to play at a time in a select sporting game or match.
Whereas, athletes playing individual sports or team sports that requires 6 or less players to play at a time, should be judge more harshly in regard to their greatness or legacy.
I use to put him in starting on Madden his last year with the Panthers and run every play 95% of time and win
I love the fact that Cam Newton is talking about the Baltimore Ravens and saying we
You don’t need rings to be the greatest. Rings = My team is the greatest. MVP = I am the greatest.
Rings are a Team Award
On an individual player impact level…you can never compare football to basketball…or almost any other team sport…the game of football has many more moving parts to account for than most other sports.
People need to stop using Jordan as an excuse for people not winning. The man retired TWICE and all the people who allegedly didn't win because of Jordan were still playing duiring those retirements and still didn't win.
Some did win. Some didn't. Because they had less possible seasons to win. Because of Jordan.
Bron's rings in value>>>>
Cam speaking facts
So Bo Jackson ain’t great?!🤬
Exactly, Bo is one of the greatest athlètes ever
Take that hat off 😂
Bryce needs cam on the team to push him to be the best.
Steve Nash never won one… in 07 had Tim Donaughy rigging series and the suspensions of Amare and Diaw from getting up a chair… so by those sports fans logics… he’s not great despite being a 3x 1st team and MVP winner
I disagree with Cam because have zero Championships without Jordan. So Jordan was the deciding factor, one player. If you can’t lead your team to a championship you can’t be considered great, but good.
Question: what is more important to the athlete superbowl? Or hall of fame?
They missed out on Cam Newton as not winning nothing too
I never understood why Carolina did that man, how do you make it to a Super Bowl then blow up the team after? Why not try and run it back while the team’s chemistry and momentum is at an all time high?
Jobe was nit guarding the best player. Ron Arrest was.
SPORTS IS ALL ABOUT WINNING, YOU DON'T TAKE AWAY THEIR INDIVIDUAL GREATNESS BUT STILL, WINNING IS IMPORTANT. CAM SOUNDS SALTY
Football is such a team sport. All 3 levels have to be on point that SB day.
Barry Sanders #20
Cam kinda phrased it in an odd way, by saying he didn't respect Kobe's championships with Shaq, as much. But clearly the two he won without Shaq, cemented his greatness. It made it easier to look back, and project that a younger Kobe with a good supporting cast, and no Shaq, would've still contended for championships.
Whats more important impact or championships? Since the point is to WIN the answer is CHAMPIONSHIP.
Barry Sanders
RN🥷
Cam making excuses. You can coulda shoulda woulda ANYTHING. U gotta get it done
Lamar Jackson has been in the NFL for 6 seasons and has had two league MVP awards(the latest one undeserving). Its no coincidence that in his 2 MVP seasons, hes also had the number 1 defense and number 1 running game. Lamar Jackson has had the ideal situation to at least have one championship, but he hasn't gotten it done due to his inability to consistently throw from the pocket. Hes had the Number 1 defense, great rbs, at least one reliable receiver(All pro Mark Andrews), and the best kicker in nfl history. The Ravens are built like those early 00s Patriots teams and they just need a qb to not turn the ball over and sometimes make a good throw...
You can't have that conversation with someone who never won a ring because they try to justify how you can put them on the same level
Only four QBs are going into the hall of fame who are currently playing. Aaron Rodger, Patrick Mahomes,Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson. I know some may say Wilson is debatable but I'ma also gonna say I don't think he is first ballot
How are we supposed to just listen to Cam talk seriously with that hat?
People still don't get this conversation 😂😂😂 it may give some players a slight boost in rankings but in totality winning a championship in a team sports is not based off a singular player efforts 😂 it takes"Team" effort and most of the time sprinkle of right time right place 🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ it also more than that ring how much that player contribute for that team success
I Don’t Agree With Shannon
Superbowl rings are overrated if we are being honest. For the most part, Superbowls are won in the front office.
I love Cam he played for my favorite team the Patriots I had so much fun using him on Madden bro there are just some guys it’s fun to play as in the video game they make for the sport he was my favorite to play with
Facts we do need to start holding owners accountable
Barry Bonds is arguably the greatest hitter in baseball history
Eli Manning has 2 SB rings, both coming from him beating Brady in those games
Gotta get at least one 💍.....you play to win the championship
Is there anyone that would take Eli Making over Dan Marino? If not, case closed.
At his position, who better than Barry Bonds?
Cam has an excuse for everything
yep
Ppl talk about rings in team sports like the person who they’re supporting in the argument was just out there all by themselves. The media probably the reason Pippen started to dislike Jordan.
Man i wish Mr. Newton would be the Atlanta Falcons QB
Cam making excuses for running into actual greatness. You have to have a ring to be one of the best of all time.
Dan Marino never won one... so by today's sports fan standards he's not great
Listen. He’s great, just can’t be in the goat convo
Did you not just hear Shannon say you can be great without a championship.
@@rtdsbg1 I'm not talking about what Shay saying. They're having this discussion for a reason and that's because people, generally sports fans and media, act as if a ring is the barometer on individual player's success.
I'm not saying that Shay or Cam is acting as if winning a ring cements greatness, I'm merely talking about how the general sports fans' see greatness nowadays. Sorry for the confusion.
Who is Dan Marino??
Video dropped a minute ago and is 8 mins and y'all already got comments lol relax
Cry about it
I say whoever is the most entertaining and winning IN THEIR ERA give them the goat status if we arent talking about championships.
Talent , hustle & dedication. Create the greats ! championships are not always included 🤷🏻♂️
Why Shannon ain’t tell him that Jordan shot happened in game 6
Errmm if I played for UConn I would win a chip too
Seems Cam is trying to defend this for his own sake 😭😹
Cam we on Man time stop it bro
You play to win the game. Not to be great.
I agree with Shannon you can be great but to be the greatest you need chips
Cam speaking facts. People are obsessed with rings in TEAM sports but its proven there is plenty of luck involved, not counting injury luck. Its honestly just boomer logic and it won't die unfortunately lol
I agree 2 a point...I would say that if your best player is also tue hardest working...if the others aren't putting in the same work 4 success......move them like Kobe asked when he got Pau and his crew...sonues it's a TEAM sport, but ONE individual can be the difference between becoming immortal or just being good enough...
Why do you play the game if not to win? Also ANY measurable statistic is a TEAM effort. If 10 out of 11 do their job and one person is offsides or out of position the play is negated no matter how spectacular it was. Try again little guy.
Kaepernick had a better Super Bowl game than Cam Newton. Now, let that sink in 😅.
Kobe won all his chips with Derek Fisher
Right cam
Cam is just saying this cause he never won a chip lmao. I feel what he’s saying but I think I have Unc’s back on this one.
I am sort of torn between winning Superbowl rings and athletic awards. It would be ideal if you were an MVP and also won the Superbowl, instead some rookie first year player gets a ring and you played 0ver 10 years and received nothing, I would be kind of sick, I guess.
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Who is the 1 person that stopped Lamar from having 2 unanimous MVPs? That is crazy to me.
Aaron Schatz voted for Josh Allen. That MVP vote was a joke. Lamar wasn't THAT much more deserving than everyone else. Also people make too big a deal out of MVP. Only 50 people vote on it.
By that logic Bill Russell and Wayne Gretzky are the greatest athletes of all time. That’s just not the case. I love both athletes by the way
Only someone without a chip would make this argument.
Ring counting is lazy because it involves things that aren't in the individual player's control. The only thing that concerns me is how a player performs in big moments no matter the outcome.
The championship argument is flawed. but I get it. rings is the only thing people know how to use to separate great players. its a lazy argument but I get it.
edit: Barry Bonds it the greatest player I've ever scene and he dont have 1 single chip
Wearing spandex jeans at 6’5” 250lbs wit ya legs crossed like a women is crazy work 😂😂
To be the greatest you have to have great seasons and win championships, if you dont win a ring you can be a great player just not one of the greatest
The fans control the value but at the same time, upset their faves don’t have a ring 😂
Cam using this example to justify his own-self to.. himself lol
IF WE TALKIN ABOUT GOATS I DONT WANNA HEAR ABOUT RINGS BECAUSE THATS A TEAM ACHIEVEMENT
I don’t have a ring but even I know you need one to be considered greatest