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The smite 2 announcement came a year earlier than it should’ve.
I think they needed play testers so they had to announce it
I think they announced it early because of the plan to sell cross-gen skins and gems. They want to keep Smite 1 income going while mostly working on Smite 2.
They also had to announce early because there was no way to just keep the game quiet while they basically stop updating smite…. Like if there was no explanation for the lack of content for smite then people would outrage and probably quit. So as much as it sucks and they should’ve said that beta will be released in 25 and the full game released in 26, they didn’t. lol I would say if the game stayed in beta I don’t think a single person would mind at all.
They kind of had to announce it because it's been leaked by pro players, but deff came too early.
No it would have just pissed more people off by holding back the skin debacle information even longer
The last 3 years I've said that hi rez needed to slow down the content and just fix the game. Now that they're actually doing it I'm fine that they are basically doing that
the problem is that it might be too late, and it could very well kill both games. timing is key, they definitely screwed up the timing.
what are you talking about? the game is balanced...like, so balanced.
The gameplay we see in smite2 is what we are getting! People seem to expect a different game than what they have given us in the alpha 😂
Then smite 2 is fukked, graphics looks like a base sandbox build with smite gods in it, unpolished uncoherent style and graphic language overall, its gonna be a rough rough launch
I think they just announced it way too early in development. Shot themselves in the foot before the get go. The 9.5 revert has been absolutely amazing and so much fun but sadly I’ve had half of my friend group uninstall the game before the patch dropped as they “wait for smite 2” Which from my understanding is an extremely common sentiment.
Also totally agreed about the lack of a pro scene that did definitely hurt a lot.
Disagree about 9.5 revert
@@lorinlankins3004 Sounds like a positioning / skill diff G
@sel_gaming8916 could be. Still manage fine but early game it's so easy to get fragged or doing some fragging
@@lorinlankins3004 fair but again I genuinely think it’s because people got actively worse at the game (in terms of positioning) because before they could make a pretty decent sized mistake and get out of there 70% of the time. Game feels much more about “Can you hit your abilities?” and “Are you playing your positioning right?” and I think it really just comes down to those two things.
I 100% agree that they needed to wait a while longer to announce Smite 2 and really should have kept it business as usual until it was much further along. I will say that Conquest players have been spoiled the last two years by having such a regular update and changes, they now know how literally every other mode has had it for years. I do expect a lot more drop off if there aren't any meaningful changes soon such as map updates or new gods, just some new items isn't enough.
Conquest has been the most updated mode for years, with the other modes being neglected. Not sure how your perception came to be but the other modes have always been smites weak link despite being more popular than conq overall
I haven't watched the full video yet but i fully agree with the title. (Edit: finished watching it and yeah, hopefully they continue to make updates with similar impact to the 9.5 revert to keep gameplay fresh.)
Can't say why but 11.7 will also be a banger!
@@Inters3ct I hope it's a 10.2 revert
@@BasedChadman I hope it's a 9.5 revert revert
@@reasoning123 10.1 was the pinnacle of tanking
@@BasedChadman and it was fun
Signed up for SMITE the second i saw game play and got into the closed Beta. Been like 10 years of playing SMITE. The last 3-5 years I've been slowly playing less and less and last year i finally stopped playing. I left the game installed cause I do enjoy a game of Assault now and then. When they announces SMITE 2, it made me feel like it was pointless to play SMITE 1. Even when i hardly played I would still want to collect some skins and do some fun event challenges and what not. But SMITE 2 announcement removed my wants to play the game for those reasons. I was a die hard SMITE player for a long time and as the light was fading over the years, the announcement of SMITE 2 just slammed the door closed for me. I hardly even consume SMITE content any more.
Also this has nothing to do with SMITE 2 but the SPL was very fun at first. Then it became a thing where like ever 6 months rosters would change drastically and that made it very annoying to stay rooting for one team. That seemed to get worse and worse. The whole "rosterpolypse" thing being like encouraged by HiRez and the SPL felt odd to me. The SPL forced you to root for individual players since team rosters changed so frequently. Wouldnt you want players to stay on teams for long periods of time and build a fan base for the team and treat the teams like an actual sports team? Either way, that stuff made me less interested in the SPL.
Maybe my time for loving SMITE has just ended. It happens. I dont hate the game at all i was just bored with it after 10+ years. Announcing SMITE 2 wasnt going to fix anything for me there. But again, I hope it has success.
When are we getting a vid of you playing the piano in the background? 😤🔥🎹
The reason why hirez games always fail is because they have great concepts until one of the devs decides to mess everything up what their incompetent ideals and then the player base leaves for a competitor. Exm Realm royal. this is the hirez curse and now that smite finally has competition with valves upcoming game smite is no longer immune to this curse.
The timeline does seem a bit too tight.
12 years after the beta of smite 1? How is that tight?
@@Lerschie My mistake. I was referring to the timeline to release the CBT. Which has been changed to the Closed Alpha Test and pushed back a month.
That makes more sense to me.
@@kenw.1520Understandable. I think the important thing here is full release isn’t until 2025. Plenty of time to fine tune this.
Hm, ironic. I myself am looking for a game so I could leave the hellhole that is Overwatch 2. Was thinking of migrating to Smite, actually, but I dunno if I should go with Smite 1 or should I wait until Smite 2?
I'd say get into smite 1 First. You can figure out the mechanics and style as it's vastly different compared to ow2 requiring a lot more to learn. And you can also find your main God. See you on the battlefield!
@@Skylarsvanish oh, haha. I already know who my main will be - he's the reason I'm looking at Smite and not other MOBAs... (it's Samedi). I guess, my fear here is that I'll suck too much at Smite... If I start with 2, then at least I'll have an excuse for sucking!
If you have a fucking brain and use youtube ur good i mean i cant describe how bad most people are@@OnlySheStandsHere
@@OnlySheStandsHere Don't worry about sucking, everyone starts somewhere. Watch a few youtube guides for the gods you want to play and look at some standard builds, play some joust and learn what some of the other gods can do to you and when you feel confident in your own gameplay move into conquest, trying to learn a god, enemy gods and how conquest works all at the same time is a recipe for misery.
@@OnlySheStandsHereYou can also play bots. Usually what i do when i have 0 knowledge on a god and i want to get a good feel on how to use them.
Then after i figure out the optimum efficiency usage for a god i go into arena and its history.
Item and god knowledge is going to be a bit** starting out but you will eventually catch on.
How do i sign up for the alpha on ps5?? I tried last time and never got in.
Majority of the alpha players gained access from the founders pack. If you signed up for the alpha all you can do is wait and see if you receive a key in you email.
@@Magnum__Dong I have the founders. Thanks for the reply
@@dynasty7298 Sometimes they will announce a random unscheduled test for a few hours. Doesn't happen a lot, so don't expect it too much, but I've seen it in the Smite Official Discord in the Announcements tab. It was a first come, first play. So check there too for anything Smite 2 info.
@@dynasty7298If you have the founders pack all
You have to do is download smite 2.
@@dynasty7298 I'm not sure on PS5 but on steam there are two versions of smite 2 and the alpha version is called Smite 2 - public test. see if in your game library on PS5 if you have options to install
I agree with your concerns. If Hi-Rez can pull off a miracle with getting Smite 2 ready in their dev timeline, now is the time to pull it off, or all that potential will be dead before it even releases.
I haven't been invested into smite but still love your vids and have the notifications still on!! Hope stuff goes well soon for 2
Smite 2 just looks ugly. I don't get why people say it's a graphical upgrade when it's darker than my ass hole.
Certain things like the terrain look better in a way but the characters don’t. The models look odd in the more serious graphics in my opinion.
Lol wtf
100% agree. Looks like shit😂 and why so dark
That is weird, got a really cool and fun game. Dev make the second dlc version. Meh I'm over it. I'll do something else.
I agree with you man mostly because I feel that with most games coming out nowaday
I agree tbh, I mean I'm a hardcore Smite fan with 1,500 hours and I was hesistant to spend money for testing, luckily I was invited to it later on without having to pay
I stopped playing Smite around 6 months ago. Got bored and tired of bad matchmaking and balance changes. I have been trying the Smite 2 playtests and I agree, it still needs a lot of work. I feel they need to do more with Smite 2 to make it more appealing. For example, Making 1 or 2 small changes to a gods kit is not good enough in my opinion "Sol's circle gets bigger!", yeah not that exciting lol. I still watch Smite content like here on Inters3cts channel and I usually tune into videos from Incon, FineOkay, and Mast occasionally. I have been playing Smite since it launched on console, so I'm pretty much burnt out by the game. If Smite 2 fails, I don't see myself coming back to this game. I'll still watch and support the content creators though. Just my view of things
I should sub to your patreon just to force you to make nothing but arachne videos :p
But seriously, i am constantly baffled at hirezs business decisions. Smite was a goldmine, a 3rd person moba with easy to get into controls and pulling from various mythologies made it so most characters could be reconizable. This should have been big, but they jist co stantly failed at advertising, expanding, or capitalizing on it.
Now with smite 2 announced way too early, it just eats at the current smites playerbase and developers slowing the game down even more, and risks killing the entire thing. They should have waited a year to announce the game, or if anything just say its being worked on and we will show more in a year, and continue to make content for smite 1 in the meantime. Then start alpha of smite 2 with double the amount of the current alpha gods and more polished gameplay and modes.
I want to like smite 2, and i see a lot of potential, but its being pushed way too soon. For me as a main of a character thats probably not seeing her appear in smite 2 for maybe 2 or 3 years the game while cool and vastly inproved loses a lot of interest for me
I just wanted smite 2 to be a giant battle of the the gods. Like 30v30 blood bath. But it just gonna follow the moba blueprint
Do u think some of the drop is due to predecessor becoming more popular
Nah predecessor only got a boost because of LoL drama, it's pretty much on borrowed time still.
All Hi Rez has to do is go back to season 7-9. Revert healing changes. Bring back damage on hybrid items like glad. Bring back shifters. Bring back old hide of nemean lion AND revert the matchmaking change when season 10 launched and I PROMISE Smite will thrive. But I understand. The thumbail and title. Yeah you want some clickbait views
Smite2 with spl players showcasing it at events would have been godlike
feel like smite 1 sould go crazy bring back old nimeon lion reflect, hasten fatalis, and olympic arena
Valve wasn’t really been showing off the game to other smite content creators is was a guy that had codes that was giving it to people in a discord. But I agree I’m deeply worried for the game.
I’m very worried. Every time I play smite 2 I look forward to playing smite 1 as if ITS the sequel. There’s nothing about smite 2 that seems better and more polished at this point and I feel like they shouldn’t have let us play it and soil the image and feel of the game until it was in a better spot.
i kinda dropped off S1 since they banned my main. I wanna get back to my alt to climb ranked but loosing all my shit just killed the fun of the game for me.
For the past month, i've been wanting to play smite but just never got around to it p.s i been playing. for 3 years, just take a month or two break after going hard for 4 months, but ever since, smite 2 was Announce. I've been wanting to just wait for that to come out instead of playing one.😅 I love the game, btw i hoep they really try to make smite 2 the best it can be and i hope they TAKE THERE TIME! Making it
Honestly the biggest problem for me is how much money they put into ads for the game when it was still at least a year away... I got so many smite 2 ads when the game first was announced, they should have waited with going into advertisements and used the money to hire more devs to speed up the progress for the game.
I'm still playing it
But keeping smite 1 lol
Idk I can’t say anything bad about smite 2. It brought me back to smite 1 after a long hiatus of not playing. I’m a big fan of the direction they’re heading into smite 2.
I agree that they should probably delay the 24/7 beta planned date. At the same time I think it’s important to patient and understand how early of a build the game is. Sure the alpha lacks content, but the more people play it and test it the better. We as a community can help make smite the great game it can be.
Predecessor is not a threat(just to throw this out)
I dont think even hi-rez thinks smite 2 will take reigns from Smite for some time, after all 140+(i don’t remember) gods vs 29 on launch, but they probably want to get it to a decent state for it to work besides for some time while they are getting roster up, i think from 24/7 beta state of both games will be decent cos they will move some devs back to support s1 as the main objective will be sorta done.
@@gergelysk5966 basically, yeah
@@gergelysk5966 hard to call a game with 20k players(concurent) a golden mine. It definitely kept hi-rez going, but to attract actually big audiences s2 is the way to go, s1 is simply to old to attract new young players.
@@foreverf2p You can only see Steam, Smite actually has the console moba market. So there's a lot more players.
@@AimbotFreak nah, last time I checked steam it was 8k, so I added, probably underestimated, but cant be more than 30k-40k?
@@foreverf2p Rn probably that but on average around 200k
I've been playing since Season 2. I just feel burnt out. I love them game but even the revert hasn't helped. Think it's time to take a break and hope Smite 2 recaptures the feeling of old. Love your content tho!
I love Smite, and probably stick to the original over smite 2, and people i play with are the same, Unfortunately a lot think Smite 2 will fail and the player base will stick to Smite
This video really helped me reconsider to keep on playing Smite. I even refunded my Smite 2 Founders Edition.
Thanks, dude. It's not worth the risk.
I think a fun idea for Smite 2 would be to take a Mortal Kombat X approach and have multiple kits for each god, which would also allow every god to tap into abilities they had in their real life lore that didn’t make the initial cut in smite.
The Odin we currently have for example is an almost purely physical powerhouse, despite him also being the Norse god of magic (and many MANY other things). So after you lock into him for a game, you can then lock into a variant kit for him, one that’s his current, and another that leans into the more “god of magic” angle.
Now that, that would be interesting as all get out
Cool but I think that would make the game really hard to balance and take the skill out of it as a result.
@@Hanamanini
I mean maybe they could use the current kits as a base and each variant would leans more towards one way or another with various tweaks. Have it be enough in variety to keep the game fresh while still being familiar enough to not shake the game up TOO much.
i have been playing smite about 8 years now and recently i haven't been playing as much the toxic community killed it for me or when trying to play rank no one ques up because they don't get the role they want
the game isn't as fun as it used to be
I personally disliked the 9.5 revert, but I'm fine with it if it helps Smite keep its players, because I agree with you, Smite 2 will need at least 6 more months before releasing the beta.
Lost my interest after the 9.5 reverts, sounds for me like everyone is getting one shotted sooner, and faster and i cba dealing with that yet again
skill diff then
Valve's deadlock game sounds super similar...
Stu is gonna kill smite.
Not only did he drop the pro scene but he couldn't give us any tourneys to go off of so high end Smite is dead and interest is low due to exposure.
Next he wants to rush Smite 2 in a mediocre state when it's not fun and had many of the same problems smite 1 has/had like having 9.5 baked into the game as default. Plus it has its own set of problems with strength and intelligence in balance in gods and items. Why does Anubis wrap do strength DMG? Why does sol entire kit do intelligence DMG but her autos are pure strength based? They need to rethink how they base off those stats on most of the gods they have there now instead of spinning a wheel and choosing one or the other for every god.
Lastly they need to experiment with the game since it's a close alpha but by the looks of the last patch they did for smite 2 they think they already have the core gameplay down and are just doing mini balance changes like it's a completed game, but the core gameplay needs drastic changes and they refuse to experiment. We have 3 minute cool down beads but have the same cc durations as smite 1. They don't wanna lower it all to an universal say 1 second and see how that pans out. Beads has to be one of your items even tho we have asked if we can choose something like blink instead when the game starts but they don't listen and refuse to experiment so instead of this being an alpha to help them make a better game, they're just treating us game testers for bugs, since they think we don't know what we're talking about and we're crazy for wanting the game to be fun since in their eyes it's already perfect.
Beads should be removed from the game. Combat Blink should be a thing instead. Like League having Flash on a 5 Minute cooldown. Beads is a get out of jail free and then you also get aegis invincibility. Beads should be an Item you build that you can pop on command but that will also take an inventory slot as price to get that crutch back. When beads is no longer everyones free crutch, you can then lower all hard cc down to justify it. But giving everyone Beads has always been fundamentally cancer hand holding.
Nah i think they're just trying to get it built to a decent level before they spend a lot of time getting into the weeds of bigger sweeping changes
@@Omegeddon they need to do this changes before they go live 24/7. Even if we think they might be good, they could end up making the game feel awful and then you're stuck with those changes for weeks while they get a new patch out. That's why we want them to experiment now and not later
@@pineapplekun8769 Sure but if they experiment too much everyone loses interest
@@HookahOtakuno free anything. Predecessor does free blink and it's awful. Characters that are normally immobile and should die when out of position suddenly get to just say "haha no" and blink away. It's trash
It's only a matter of time smite 2 might join overwatch 2 if the problems looms on those bad timeline managements. Heck i wouldn't be surprised some players might get buyers remorse on the founders.
If smite 2 dies with smite 1.. meh not much is lost when bad players get purged in an odd way.
bad players won't get purged they will just play another game xd
@@marcocivalerian9099 ohhh yeah.. well sucks to be that guy
I'm an old guy but I like to play games to unwind. I attempted to learn to play smite but the smite community was so harsh and the game was too dominated for any new person like me to enjoy. I lost interest within a week.
Lmao why would people play worst smite with none of their skins and shit?
I notice a lot of these MOBA’s have a bad case of “follow the leader”, where LOL will do something first and then the other MOBA’s will try and copy what LOL did later on…
I’m thinking Smite could do something that makes other MOBA developers try and ape IT…
How about a “RAGNAROK” mode where it’s 15V15 players on a supersized mashup of all the maps in the game (The basic foundation would be akin to conquest, the individual lanes would be structured like Slash, there would be ways to summon Juggernauts like siege, the center of the map would have a full sized Arena map where all the lanes meet up in the middle of, there would be health pickups like in assault, etc etc….
And THEN there could be some new twists like spending spare gold to buff the next minion wave of few in a lane, or that the specific mode would allow gods to buy _7 or more_ items instead of the standard 6, and/or that everyone starts out with additional CDR% similarly to some of Smite 1’s MOTD’s (with a matching MPS boost to keep up with the extra ability spam), and also an attack speed boost for gods that don’t use abilities as much… And so on and so forth…
15v15 would never work.
Fights would snowball incredibly fast and the servers would have a heart attack trying to handle an extra 50% increase of their previous max player count in one match.
15 vs 15 sounds like a hilarious crazy motd game mode. Not sure it would be a staple though. They did that "zombies" game mode from the dev stream that one time, that would be another fun game as motd.
@@gergelysk5966Mobas and mmorpgs are extremely different.
after the kinda dumb shit the CEO has been saying on twitter lately the last thing Hirez needs is to make itself look worse by setting unrealistic goals the devs can’t meet
Oh great what are the "people" of twatter trying to cancel now
@@thedoomslayer5863 he’s not gonna fuck you bro you don’t need to defend him lmao
@@unyanizedcatboys nah child it's just facts, Twitter is trigger happy over canceling people about anything. It's a cesspool and one I imagine you add your REEEEs to when someone or something offends your delicate sensibilities.
@@thedoomslayer5863canceling doesn’t exist
i refunded my smite 2 pack from steam but ill try it again when it comes out we shall see
TLDR: Predecessor feels better than Smite and Smite 2 because long CCs, Beads, and DR are dumb mechanics to build a MOBA around.
I was so excited for Smite 2, but as the development of Predecessor progressed, the Smite 2 playtests felt lacking.
Beads and DR are definitely the biggest differences. Beads has always been a feels bad on the attacker's side. I agree with FineOkay that it is anti-playmaking. Long CC is also annoying if you don't have beads up.
You throw your combo-starting CC, they use beads, you miss your combo because of it. You feel bad. In Pred, you are rewarded for hitting your CC by comboing off it, but the CC doesn't last as long, so you can't kit dump a helpless enemy.
If they don't have beads and you're playing Thor, they just die to ult and there's nothing they can do. Beads and long CCs lead to unsatisfactory fights on both sides.
DR is one of Hi-Rez's famous band-aid fixes to a large problem.
Last alpha weekend I had a neith match where nothing in my kit worked, it just did janky animations for autos, and abilities from super earlier. i was forced to just buy actives and support my team as a meat shield. Game is quite terrible in its current state, and shouldn't have been released as alpha for another year. It looks terrible too
I mean why can’t everyone just be patient, I play smite 1 when it’s content drops then when smite 2 alpha drops I play it and when I get burnt out or just simply bored I go on to a different game
Personally, my friends (5 people) and I are not moving to smite 2 until it hits full release.
I’ve played both of Smite2’s alphas and really didn’t enjoy it either time. Between the store being awful on console, the plain Jane map, obnoxious actives, and gameplay not feeling as tight/punchy, I was not impressed.
Honestly, I'm just waiting for smite 2 to fully open to play cause I'm not gonna spend money for a more buggy smite 1
Smite 1 is so fun right now I have no reason to switch
Maybe I'm just overly optimistic but I think people are being just a hair too doom and gloom. Could Smite 2 crash and burn? Sure it could. However, I don't really see Predecessor as true competition for Smite. That game peaked at about where Smite 1 is now and it has continued to trend downward. That was already a dead game resurrected once. I just don't think it's a game that has staying power.
I'm also not on the Deadlock hype train either. Sure it's Valve... but they haven't made a game in so long. That and the way the AAA game space is these days. I just don't have faith in large game companies. I'm also just not a believer in the shooter/moba hybrid game. It's been tried multiple times and failed over and over. I just don't think that is a gametype that is going to work. Shooters aren't Moba fans (in general) and Moba fans are shooter fans (again in general). There is of course some bleed over but I don't think enough and I don't see the genre appealing enough to both sides. This is all of course my own opinion and I could be totally wrong haha :)
Keep up with the great videos though, I hope Smite 2 is great and provides you a space to make many more great videos. Peace.
Nice to see an optimistic take and in general I still am as well and will continue to make SMITE content, just had a few concerns I felt I needed to voice.
@@Inters3ct Totally fair, you should let people know of those concerns. I feel like everyone is going to be on edge with Smite 2 until it's in a state where we can all start playing it 24/7. Had HiRez not had so many flops over the years we probably wouldn't be as concerned as a fan base as we are right now.
Stew had a tweet a while back if I'm remembering correctly and he was talking about all the things the team had learned while working on all those games that didn't make it. Each one allowed them to learn something and that is good to see. I work in video/animation myself and I fail to make stuff I like all the time. It's through those that I learn the most and improve my craft. I also DM some D&D and every campaign is a learning experience. Where I screw something up then learn so my next campaign is better.
I see that as the case with Smite 2 as well. They've got a lot of experience under their belts. I think HiRez has a stronger development team than many give them credit for. We just need to let them cook. IMO
Also, not letting switch players play will be a huge drop in profit. They might even just earn a couple thousand dollars more than smite 1 earns them because they aren't letting people play.
Hirez always does this, they did this exact same formula with paladins, realm royale, etc... Hell, even smite 1
But it doesn't work, specially nowadays, people dont care anymore if your game has a gigant "BETA" badge all over the screen, First Impressions Are Long-Lasting and most people will treat it like a final product. The best move for hirez right now is go dark and come back next year, but they would receive a massive backlash because of what they've already promised (and that's why you should never promise anything unless you are absolutely sure you can do it)
Smite 1 has 10X the content at least! It's crazy they released the alpha with 12 gods and 1 mode.
I was a fan of pre 9.5. but the revert is easily my most hated update playing the last 11 years. If you dont play a tank you are not allowed to counter play anymore. Being one shot through walls and in one stun combos is beyond annoying. Beads dont cooldown nearly as fast as the enemies combos do
skill issue, learn to position properly, you literally cant die, if youre not caught. Wards are also important.
because the map sucks ass and so many shifts have happened lol
Low-key I hope it fails not cause I hate tge game but because I feel like there's a few snite streamers who need to humble there selves they act like they a top tier streamer overly cocky feels like they can say an do what they want without any consequences your literally not tht great y'all play one game for years on end tht dont mean u actually a good content creator
like who?
I’m huge smite fan. But I just have gut feeling that hirez is going to fumble this release like their last 2. Hi-rez loves having prolonged payed for betas, while simultaneously marketing the game as f2p. This killed rogue company and their smash-like game.
I hate this notion that the games can’t exist simultaneously, one does not fully replace the other. They serve different purposes.
Also, wtf are you talking about? Dota hadn't been around that long when smite was in alpha? Dota released in 2003. An entire 6 years before league released in 2009. Smite released another 5 years after that in 2014. 11 years after dota. There's people out there that have been playing smite since release that weren't even alive when dota released. Come on man. Get the facts right
He says it is not like overwatch. Saying all the overwatch problems... It's not like overwatch, because smite actually changed things for smite 2 that are valuable. The only concern is, is it better than smite 1. That's their make or break point
No assault in smite 2. So I haven't played smite 2.
3 Years watching your vids im a league player now its been a fun 2 weeks. Honestly my 1050 ti gpu can't run smite 2 so I'm going to default to league till my gpu can't handle it too.😂
woahhh what’s wrong w overwatch :,(
Pardon me while I vent my frustrations with the situation of smite and smite 2 at the moment. And I will note that smite 2 is fun and has potential but..
Hard agree, smite 2 at a minimum feels at least a year away from a solid beta game. There simply isn’t enough in it for long term commitment. God changes are cool and so is the item system, but this doesn’t feel enough to keep me playing for years let alone months of playtime into the game.
Poor smite 1, the 9.5 revert feels like a bandage solution to a clear self made problem. Very little changes have come to smite 1 so far to justify playing it. The game is over 10 years old and is still fun, but nothing fresh or interesting has come out almost halfway into the year (other than 9.5 really). No new gods, almost no map changes, and no new features like game modes. Combine this with no SPL, and even ranked feels more hallow then ever.
Smite 2 feels less like a sequel and more smite UE5 at the moment. Obviously it is still in alpha and has room to grow. But the time scale they have given doesn’t give me comfort, how much can you really change in a few months with what is here? I personally want a fresh new smite that is a clear evolution from what we have. Not “smite UE5 a work in progress”.
Thanks for the read and again I am mostly venting my frustrations of the current state of smite and smite 2. I just want smite 2 to be the best it can be and at the moment it feels too far away from that goal with both games suffering in the interim.
Personally i think Hi-rez should have just developed smite 2 behind closed doors and drop it straight into beta without warning. hype only carries for so long, and as overwatch 2 demonstrated, if you hype something up then deliver shit a couple years later, you're gonna lost a lot of your fanbase. Hopefully hi-rez do take the time to make smite 2 the game it needs to be, last thing i want is another overwatch situation where 90% of the content is scrapped because "We were too ambitious 4 years ago and have nothing to deliver"
It think it is too late, RIP Smite framchise.
You're the only Smite CZcamsr I've seen without a completely cringe take. Thank you.
Unfortunately, Overwatch set the precedent for what a “sequel” can be. Smite 2 will be exactly like Overwatch 2. Not ready, and will continue to finish the game along the way. Call me crazy, but I feel like ALL gods should be ready at launch. Not implemented here and there as we go. The OW community sits back and takes any piece of crumb blizzard gives them and other company’s have taken notice. Sequels used to mean we’re getting a completely finished game, not something half thrown together and completed later. Just how battle passes are the norms in a lot of games. Half finished games called “sequels” will be the norm as well. Mark my words. We’ve seen it with OW 2 and now with Smite 2.
Smite 2 is in such an early state that it feels worse than Smite 1 in most aspects besides graphics. The way they are handling both games reminds me of Overwatch. OW1 suffered many years of content drought due to OW2s development. Its sad that the most exciting patch this year for Smite 1 is one that just reverts an old patch. I also find it very sketchy how they are already promoting esports for Smite 2.
Played Predecessor and seen plenty of Deadlock gameplay and I completely disagree that Smite2 has to worry about competing. Predecessor will be long dead by Smite 2 release and Deadlock is more of competition for Paladins/Overwatch.
I feel the same tbh
So, at over $20usd a skin, they have completely crapped on their entire fan base by not simply updating the graphics of smite 1 or porting everything over so fans could keep what they have paid out their ass for over the years. No small chunks of change. Smite will have killed itself, if anything, by shitting on it's player bases wallet so hard that people will simply be reluctant to want to buy into the new one. I mean it's bound to happen. They are using third party game engines in both games. When unreal 6 or maybe 7 comes out, the community will get shat on again. It's bound to happen. It's happened once already. THAT is what is going to kill this franchise. People don't forget.
Crazy that you and Bobby posted opposite opinions within minutes of
Will have to check out Bobby's video later tonight as generally I am still optimistic and probably will agree with a lot of what he says, just had a few concerns I needed to voice in a video like this.
@@Inters3ct I think you two have the same message, just you have more worry than he does
One of, if not the biggest problem outside the rushed development, is that they're basically porting Smite 1 almost 1:1 to Smite 2. Smite 1 problems are now in Smite 2; there's a lack of a proper tutorial, or good autobuild recommendations. There's no incentive to learn from mistakes in Smite 1 and improve in Smite 2. And the biggest mistake they've made with Smite 1 is how awful it is for the new player experience.
Take for example Predecessor; it's in open-beta now, so it might not be a fair comparison, but one of the things I LOVED about Predecessor is that it has an amazing tutorial guide, recommendation builds, and characters all synergize with their own kits super well. They have starters that encourage the playstyle for the role you have; they filter out characters that fit great for the role you want, but don't force you to play those; they also have arrows and guides to help you get started on the map.
Smite is severely lacking when it comes to the new player experience. Update after update has been pandering to pros and veterans. Please, for the health of game, focus on new players and the overall fun, and not in satisfying old time players who, yes they are loyal and supportive, but are severely biased on what is best for the future of the game. 9.5 revert was an example of that, and as someone who hated burst meta before 9.5, and hate burst meta now with the revert, I've uninstalled Smite and don't plan on playing it again until they address those core gameplay issues.
Pro balance and play is important, but remember, it's the casual playerbase that primarily plays; pros just motivate casuals like us to get better and play better. They're not the standard, they are the goal.
Its in alpha. A tutorial is one of the last things you do after you've already got the game systems nailed down. There's no point making a tutorial now just to have to change it again in a month
@@Omegeddon It's a MOBA; the core mechanics won't change at all. You farm minions, level up, attack enemies, get gold, buy items. There's literally no difference other than how the game feels and the items in the store. And the point was that Smite 1's tutorial is ass, still is ass, and even in open beta it lacked a proper tutorial. Im saying Smite 2 should have one, if basic, and a tutorial should be MVP. Do you know how many people didnt know about the interact key? Or which lane to go to? A lot. A tutorial is very important no matter what stage the game is in. It's not the first thing you make, but it's one of the last things when shipping out an MVP.
@@GuiriTV If you're in the alpha you shouldn't need a tutorial. Its an alpha its for old players to test. Its not for new players yet who don't know what a lane is. Thats what beta and the eventual release is for. By then there should be a good tutorial in game. There's no point devoting dev time to that right now when half the mechanics don't even exist yet.
@@Omegeddon All the mechanics exist for a MOBA in the alpha. Towers, minions, objectives, items; what the heck is going to change drastically from those core MOBA mechanics? They'll remove towers for king of the hill objectives? You're assuming tutorials will be based around item balance or god kits. The base game will be the same no matter what. 3 lanes, primary objectives, secondary objectives, farm wave, kill gods, take the titan, that's it.
Also, you obviously did not play the alpha. The number of folks who didnt know how to play or went to the wrong lane was baffling. Anyone can get into the alpha if they purchase the founders pack. So basically, someone who has never played Smite or a MOBA can purchase the founders pack and opt into the Alpha. If you're marketing the founders pack to everyone and anyone, then you cannot say the Alpha is just for experienced players. Tutorials matter.
@@GuiriTV Sure they matter. When the game is ready. If people bought the founders pack expecting a complete experience from an alpha test thats on them.
Haven't touched smite in a while , no interest from me till smite 2 if im honest
Every god should get something new in smite 2. There will be no reason to boot smite 2 up if it’s just smite 1 but with less content.
Honestly doubt Smite 2 is gonna recover any losses. Like ppl will play it but the switch over and not everything carrying over is gonna hurt them. It's old just let it die. Time to move on
Smite playerbase splitting is entirely 9.5 update revert
I stopped playing smite 1 because of cheaters. I don't want to get kicked out of the lobby when im about to win or I don't want to get sniped by a scum who plays neith and ults from her base without a vision or a ward. They don't care about the smite 1 in favor of smite 2 but letting cheaters do whatever they want is affecting players and causing them to leave the game.
I just hope they will delay smite 2 launch for year and stick with smite 1.
Unfortunately, them killing Smite 1 is a farewell for me. Nothing personal i just dont have time to game anymore. I get sad playing smite 1 the 2 hours a week i do.
Well, half of the "hardcore" fans warned their rage against making it a new game instead of a long term update keeping what we grind all these years. They were greedy and ungrateful, now they get what the planted
I’m still mad they perm banned me over a petty abusive language charge. Why not just mute me? I would probably still be playing if their mods weren’t full of ego. And they did it a day after I bought 8k gems too. All my time since 2015 just wasted. They treat me like I was scripter. Which is hilarious because towards the end of my time playing I started noticing a lot more Anubis wrap aim hackers and things like that. Those cheaters probably never got banned but I did.
0:28 Neith killing kuku with 2 first abilities and some basics and people say the TTK is high in S2 wtf
It is extremely high TTK? He hit him with a neith 1 and 2 and it still didnt have him at half health
Level 8 Neith did 40% of KKK health with 2 abilities. It's still high compared to old Smite TTK ¿:D?
TTK in Smite 2 is pretty wack, almost 9.5ish.
Is it a doomer video if it's true though?
I find sequels to multiplayer games like Smite and Overwatch unnecessary. Why not just fix what is already there?
Overwatch 2 was unnecessary. We need smite 2 tho. Smite is on a 20 year old engine and still uses adobe flash. They cant keep duct taping that garbage forever
Because Hirez dug itself a grave with the side projects and the casual gamer stuff. Ow2 lets them rebrand.
I haven't played smite 2 and don't intend to until it releases but I've watched a lot of input from pros and what not and also gameplay.
To me it doesn't feel like s2 fixes fundamental problems that s1 has. Even though it improves the gods from what we've seen so far.
Smite was always very limited when it came to things like wave manipulation, rotations etc compared to other mobas. Playing smite always felt like the map wasn't very well designed from a competitive aspect they widened the map and it feels like it still has no impact for example because of things like a) too many champs that can bypass walls ,jump over them etc b) move speed of characters even without dedicated boot items.
At the same time they add things from other mobas that doesn't make sense like plate gold. Smite already had a way better passive gold income than other mobas and it feels plate gold is another of these things that encourage the gameplay to get worse. It's an Extra incentive for laners to do nothing from fear of losing their own plates or gaining enemy plates. It encourages even more the boring lane state of s1.
It feels they did not understand the fundamental problems that s1 had
As you already mentioned, 9.5 revert basically fixed smite flat out & made it fun again.
Had they reverted sooner, they could’ve prolonged the life or Smite 1 a little further & cooked Smite 2 in the oven longer.
As it is now, Smite 2 is very lukewarm & undercooked. You can see the framework of a good cake, but it is NOT ready for a 24/7 release.
I honestly think, this will seriously hurt the game in the long run, by turning a lot of people off.
It’s sad because it’s my favorite game, but they might have completely killed the game & it would be COMPLETELY a top level mistake.
Top level poor choices on game mechanics in smite 1 & top level mistakes on Smite 2’s development/release schedule.
What exactly was the revert? As in what mechanics did they revert.
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In the 9.5 they made everyone super tanky long story short. They reverted that so squishies are squishy again & tanks aren't full on brick walls that still hit like cannonballs.
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You can finally gank a mage, kit dump, and not have to watch them walk away with half to a third of their HP still there.
With the 9.5 revert i enjoy smite1 so much and dont even want smite 2. smite 2 just feels wird, the damage numbers are awful, movement feels odd, the UI/HUD is awful (item bar being a staight line instead of a 2x3), the high grass is to much, new camps system is awful (the buffs are fine, but only 1 speed, no buff after first kill aint it), no item builder/ pre-build is terrible (def wont attract new player), current gods are awful and boring (+ why tf bring 2 new mages into the alpha, why not a warrior and mage, or assasin mage, why 2 mages), map is way to small, side line is terrible, not only do i have to worry to get camped fom high grass now maybe someone is camping at the sidelines as well, only 1 ward is probably the worst feature, consumables taking away a item slot makes also 0 sense
side note: smite2 is less "new player" friendly then smite1, its easier a new player to get into smite1 then smite2, so currently smite2 isnt a great catch for new players. And since smite has a lager community on console then on pc because smite is basiclly the only moba on console its important to attract console players. But noooowww with valorant finally dropping on console and their current beta is basiclly a perfect finished game where you wont even tell its a beta a lot of console players will try out valorant "beta" fall in love and not bother try smite2's awful un-new player friendly alpha. So i think hi-rez needs to put in the work, otherwise their bigger community, console, will fall apart
Am out of smite 1 as well even the 2. They didn't respect the game, hope it doesn't happen like the tried games before (all dead). Gl hirez .
they should have picked me for alpha then! humph
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SMITE 2 doesn't have to replace SMITE 1 right away. It just needs to be sustainable and have enough interest to survive until all of the gods are ported, it's fine if more players are going to keep playing the original for a while.
3 Problems with Smite and its not looking good at all.
1) 9.5 Killed the game. All the hype died. Became stale. Matches took longer than ever. The bandaid patch to revert the 9.5 changes came TOO LATE.
2) Smite 2 announced way too early. The roster is laughable and nobody wants to play mirror matches over and over. No progression. Game will get stale REALLY fast.
3) Smite 1 has no more content, thus remaining playerbase can only hold out for so long before other games (Valves new game and Predecessor.) come online and start permanently taking the remaining playerbase. They already poaching or coercing big Smite streamers to come play their game, get them involved...
Tbh what I can see at least with my group of friends, we haven't played smite in a couple months, however we are waiting for smite 2 to drop (we have been playing smite for over 7 years almost daily)
I am worried for Smite 2. Mostly because their lack of innovation on charachters in favor of just bloating them. In addtion of the pure fear in my heart over TTK being made shorter than it was in the last Alpha.
I will say though that a lot of the gods that got tweaked feel MUCH better than in Smite 1. Replacing Zeus’s current shield toss for that new ability is real nice, especially since I can stack it with those 2 items that boost CDR% and movement speed. With the right build, Smite 2 Zeus can move faster than about any other god in the game.
@@ButFirstHeLitItOnFire Oh some tweaks and changes are fine and fun. However Hades was just made bloated. He needed a full rework rather than a few bloating tweak. Save the healing part that was more QoL than anything. Then Anhur's ult change was fine but he hardly neededs buffs. Things are what they are.