BROKEN! Why did the Standard 8 break down recently??!! Classic car fail & fix
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- čas přidán 22. 08. 2022
- A recent trip to a classic car meeting ended in failure with the 1950s Standard 8 broken down at the side of the road (see the Audlem Festival of Transport 2022 video). In this upload, the three of us go back and retrieve the stricken car from the farmyard we pushed it into - fortunately it only weighs about 710 kgs (wet) so rolling it 100yds down the road to the nearest farm wasn't a struggle, just a little disappointing as any car breakdown is.
With the Standard safely recovered back home, I spent some time investigating the reasons for dad's "failure to proceed" while at the wheel, and report back on what I found and what I had to do to (hopefully) remedy the situation.
Breakdowns aren't unknown to regular users of cranky old classic cars, especially ones that have been recently re-commissioned after a period sat idle in someone's garden or shed, and our Standard 8 is no different, but it was disappointing that a part that, visually, looks to be almost brand new, should fail so convincingly after very little mileage. The joys of reproductions car parts eh!? Let me know in the comments about your experiences of modern parts for older cars failing before their time.
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Enjoy watching your video's and seeing you and Harley having fun living in the antique automotive world. I as a young man in San Francisco working on most vehicles from around the world and enjoy watching someone with the passion to keep these price less pieces of art going! Saying Hi from Tennessee ! Your friend Michael !-;)
Thanks 👍
Glad to hear it was a simple fix, and also goes to show that new and shiny is often not a patch on quality old parts. Also I happened to follow a Standard 10 to a local steam rally a couple of weeks back, my daughter noted it was a very pretty car, I agree.
Lovely to see 'Little Standard' is back up and running, and a reasonably easy fix. That A Frame seems like a handy piece of kit - one of those things you have and 'might need' some day. I have loads of obsolete tools just like that, along with other bits and bobs - some call it junk, but you never know ! It's amazing what I have rigged up over the years to get out of trouble ! A great video and a great lesson for Harley too, with a great outcome, so lets hope we see a lot more of your lovely Standard. Thanks and take care 🙂
Great to see the OCC team in action and that the little Standard was recovered sucessfully. Well done with your fix and so glad to hear that the '8' is back in fine fettle.
Thanks Mike!
Perhaps you don't use the A-frame very often but when you do need it I bet you're so glad you had it lying around!
Having a spare reconditioned pump in the boot sounds like a good plan. Nice to have enough parts in stock to build one to use and another as a spare. At least getting it running again wasn't too much of a game...
I love these little Standards, so cute and simple! I still think you've done well with yours, given that it sat around for a while before you had it.
Thanks Paul, yes it's going ok bar the occasional glitch but it goes with the territory really.
@@oldclassiccarUK Absolutely. I don't have a car at the moment but I've run classics in the past and tinkering is an inevitable part of ownership. However, I saw it as being all part of the fun and I found it very satisfying.
A spare coil and set of points can be useful too.
I knew exactly what you meant by the sound. I laughed when you demonstrated it sounded like something from one of Pink Floyd's albums, won't say which. Good that it was a simple fix and she is up and running again. I think it's a good idea to keep a spare pump in the car, so easy to change. I hope Harley was paying attention to all that has gone on, useful experience . Thanks for sharing your journey with us Rick, hope she behaves for the rest of the year .👍👍
Hi Rick, just wanted too say how informative your videos are 👍 and a family affair as well, can’t fault it. Thanks, Ray.
Thanks Ray, glad they are of some interest
I wouldn't bin the newer pump until at least pulling it apart and having a look - may be a simple fix 🤔
Round about 1958 or 9 they went to an electric pump located in the trunk or "BOOT" .They had points in them like a breaker point distributor.I know this is so in the Cambridges .Not had experiences with "Standard" but they look much the same.The towbar was available at tool rentals in 60s and 70s here in Western Canada!CHEERS
This brings back memories Loved working on the Old cars....Had a few of them Currently looking for old MGB
Used to tow a Morris 1000 ,then a Renault 4 on a A frame all over Kent Sussex and Surrey, behind a tractor and spreader a few year’s ago
Rick, my main worry with reliabilty of classic casrs is the cheap Chinese repro parts thast are all we seem to be able to get nowadays. Remember, hese cars were very reliable in their day. I now understand why some guys spend time trawling round autojumbles to get original NOS parts. Unfortunately I don't have time for this. I suppose a low milage but rusty spares car might be the best solution, if I had room.
At least with the old original parts you often have the option of re-furbishing them if they do go awry, not so much with modern junk that could have come from anywhere. Of course then you're exposed to poor quality overhaul kits ...!
@@oldclassiccarUK It's a sad state of affairs when the parts that are vital to keep your car running are only available in poor quality.
You broke down also. Ah! Yeah I did too here with my Sportster. Did the usual diagnostic work and tracked it down to the carburetor. Going to the shop to get it fixed. Glad you got your up and running. Congratulations!
Aye it happens to the best of us :-)
@@oldclassiccarUK yes
Hi at Old Classic Cars, firstly, love your videos. They are well filmed and very informative. Glad that your Standard troubles was an easy fix. Another reason for this comment. In one of your previous videos, I read with interest about the history of your beautiful Dodge, and its life in Adelaide, Australia. My late wife and I lived in Adelaide and the Barossa Valley for 20 years before moving to Tasmania in 2007. We were members of the Hillman Car Club of South Australia for 14 years. Still own an award winning 1967 Hillman Imp GT (Sport) and a 1962 Wolseley 24/80 (has the 2.4 litre straight six in it) Do you know if your Dodge Tourer, while it was in Australia, ever lived in Sydney. It just so happens that in 1974, when we lived in Sydney, and got married, one of our wedding cars was a 1924 Dodge Tourer, in exactly the same colour as yours. Our our other car was a Royal Blue 1927 Citroen. I don't know that there would have been a lot of those cars, in the same colour, around Sydney. Would love to hear from you. Cheers. David
I honestly don't know where it would have been in the early 1970s, but certainly it did spend some of its life in NSW
Lovely little Standard! RE the fuel pump, a split diaphragm can let fuel into the crankcase. I’m sure you checked for that. It was interesting to see the ancestor of the engine that’s in my ‘78 MG Midget. There are many similarities, including the mechanical fuel pump that I’ve also gotten to know pretty well. Greetings from Missouri, USA! You have a new subscriber.
Great to have you on board!
Back in my 'cheap old banger' motoring history I've had to do the same sort of pump rebuild, parts were easily accessible from scrapyards then. The operating arms can be swapped over in most cases, the pivot pin being removeable although some bodies are sealed after assembly making the swap a bit more difficult, but still possible. A 'get you home' side-of-the-road repair for a torn diaphragm is to add a section of crisp packet (the ones with a silver inside)under the dia. This idea can also be used on diaphragm type carburettors as well.
I'll remember that!
Indomitable spirit Sir. And many other qualities. That's why watch these videos. Peace be unto you.
Thanks Martin
@@oldclassiccarUK It's a pleasure, and all of it heartfelt meant. Peace be be unto you.
Good old AC Delco, GM made in the UK. Would have been nice to see an autopsy on the suspect pump - what you have to look out for is modern fuel rotting those old diaphrams. As said before one of those dirt cheap inline fuel filters are peace of mind against any bits of crud in the 70 year old tank.
Agreed, I have a few of the old standalone filters with the glass bowls so I'll probably add one in, just for added peace of mind. I might well pull apart the duff pump to try and see what's going on. Thanks for watching.
@@oldclassiccarUK A great project - that Standard is just so cute.
Modern cars when ten years old if unwilling to proceed will require a dedicated obd plugged in to analyse and find a faulty microchip which of course will be unobtainable. Yikes. That A frame certainly is a handy bit of kit. 👍
Cars do seem to be becoming ever more disposable, in theory third party specialists may step in with fixes for new cars in later life, but will there be any demand for such services - assuming that these third parties will be able to crack the factory code/technology?
A very nice and informativ video. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good to see the Standard back in service. looks like you need another trip to an auto jumble for some bits. Bob
It'd be nice to do a proper autojumble (as opposed to a show), haven't been to one in years
@@oldclassiccarUK I agree, but, what about the Beaulieu international Autojumble 4/5th Sept? May try to go myself this year. Cheers Bob
Hi Rick, I was about to suggest checking the diaphragm on the repro pump, these modern fuels can be pretty nasty. That broken fan blade on the Dodge reminded me of a tale Dad told me many years ago, it was around the time of WWII, one of the Leyland trucks operated by the company he worked for developed an engine rattle. One guy was examining the engine while another was blipping the throttle. While they were doing this a fan blade detached itself and buried itself in the head of the guy who was listening. He fell back complaining of severe leg pains! The guys got him to hospital and he survived, but, according to Dad he was never quite 'the full shilling' afterwards. All The Best from NE Somerset.
Wow. I'd been peering under the bonnet with the engine running just a few minutes earlier, so it was a bit of a close call really and not one I'd like to repeat.
Interesting. During the late 60's when I was working in a garage as an apprentice mechanic, a mechanic called us all over to the Mk1 Triumph 2000 he was working on. The blades on the early models were rivited on and this one had clearly parted company from the rest of the fan and had settled half way through the bonnet of the car. He was clearly shocked, he said earlier on he had been positioned over the engine revving the hell out of it to get it hot.
Yes agreed. You need a plan for eventual breakdowns. I have paid extra on my RAC coverage (in Australia) which includes towing home or to a garage. Used it twice in 20 years of classic ownership. It is peace of mind….and keeps the wife on side. 😊 She seems to lose enthusiasm if we are stuck on the side of the road somewhere.
Yes I keep breakdown cover uptodate also just in case, but prefer to get home under my own steam if possible. Last time I used them was when the starter motor packed up on my modern(ish) Jeep.
On our standard the priming leaver got wedged stopping the diaphragm from working.
My 4/4 series V broke down similarly. However turned out to be vapor lock. Got going and was fine for 140 miles.
Thanks for the reply. That has certainly heightened my interest. Was it you or someone else that imported in to the UK
I bought it from a vintage car dealer, he had an arrangement with someone in Oz and the brought quite a few old cars to the UK
glad she,s home safe and sound. brian d.
Glad you got it easily fixed. It's shocking how quick that new pump has failed and it would be interesting to know what actually went wrong with it.
If I get chance I'll pull it apart and have a look
@@oldclassiccarUK That would be great.👍 I've managed to run on new old stock pumps on my Escort up until now but one day I won't have that choice.
I thoroughly enjoyed this one although not a good event for you. All's well that ends well. It definitely pays to have all the gear.
Indeed at least there was plenty of space in the Dodge for us all to pile into and carry on, minus the Standard
You didn't mention in the video if you had taken the modern repro fuel pump apart, it would be interesting to know why it failed and if it is/was an easy fix? It did work before so something must have been right! Glad it is all sorted! Those operating arms have a small clip at each end holding the shaft in place, drift that out and the arm falls out, the clips are the sort that spring off into the nether regions of a pile of stuff never to be seen again, don't ask how I know...
I haven't but I might well pull it apart for a look, before filing it under B (for Bin)
I learnt to drive and took my test in a BSM standard 8 way back in 1959. Great little car, until you wanted to put something in the boot.
hi mate great video guna be working on one of these relics soon 👍
Have fun with it!
Subscribed mate will look forward to your future vids. 👍
I just watched ROCKABILLY DAREDEVIL's channel.
It's really good.
That was interesting Rick. I must try and find one of those A frames. Much more convenient to store than an actual towing dolly.
I must say Harley is the smartest mechanics assistant ever. I always make scarecrows look smart when I’m working 😂
Good idea building a spare fuel pump for future excitements.
You have to keep an eye on towing limits and braking regs, but if you have them covered then an A frame can get you out of a sticky breakdown
@@oldclassiccarUK I’m going to ask what may seem a very silly question. When you tie the A frame to either the beam axle or the suspension links. What stops the steering going all over the place? Do you tie the steering wheel down?
@@greerbox Somehow magic happens and the car steers along behind the tow car, I haven't looked into quite why it all happens but it does with the oldies that I've tried it on. No need to tie down the steering or anything like that. Obviously towing an automatic car isn't a good idea as the 'box wouldn't like it.
@@oldclassiccarUK thank you that’s reassuring. E bay / Hello 😂😂
@@oldclassiccarUK thank you Rick
What an Alladin's Cave your workshop is! Not only a towing A frame, but a wonderous variety of fuel pumps ! Talking of towing, a question arises when I see motorhomes towing cars with all four wheels on the ground; surely the transmission is knackered if the driven wheels are not raised off the ground? Can you enlighten me?
Hi I'm not sure how the motorhomes deal with the small cars they tow around, I assume they're in neutral so shouldnt suffer unduly (I think)
Glad you Found the problem
Thanks, these things are sent to try us!
@@oldclassiccarUK yes I have a 1954 Austin A30 and on Saturday she just stopped like your Cleaned out petrol pump and cleaned Carb seems to be OK now.
Hi this was my old car sad to see it go but glad it's being looked after. Have many spares for this car but the car dealer I sold it to wasn't interested in the spares. Please message me if you are interested in the spares.
Thanks Joe
Hi Joe, thanks for getting in touch, yes he mentioned something about a spares car or something? If you could email me directly dodgenut@4onthefloor.co.uk it'd be interesting to hear what you have, thanks
E5 or E10 fuel or rather the ethanol in it will make the diaphragm go hard and split. I have the same problem with Walbro carb diaphragm.
I've not looked into the pump yet, it may be ethanol but I suspect it's just poor quality. Cleveland Discol fuel in the 1930s had ethanol in its blend I believe, I wonder to what %age?
I also think that Petrol with E5 and E10 will eat old types of rubber like fuel hoses or membranes in fuel pumps.This is only my thought i could be wrong.
There's every chance yes, I wonder how modern E10 compares (ethanol-wise) with petrol around in the 1950s that had ethanol in it?
I don´t exactly know but i think that maybe the rubber has changed or maybe the stuff which keeps the rubber elastish.I´m sorry i cant write very good English because i am a Austrian but i think you know what i mean.Thank you.@@oldclassiccarUK
I fear that you have fallen victim to the mist prevalent problem us classic car owners face these days, that of the low quality repro part! People just think that is just how old cars were, just unreliable, but in truth items like fuel and water pumps and distributor parts lasted many miles in period. It was generally rust that killed these cars rather than mechanical failure.
Yes I'm all too familiar with ropey repro stuff sadly, thanks for watching