TWIN TURBO MOD FORDS (2V, 3V & 4V)

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  • FULL BOOSTED RESULTS, TWIN TURBO 4.6L FORDS (2, 3 & 4V) TRIPLE TEST. Why add a twin-turbo set up to a 4.6L 2V, when you can apply it to a 4.6L 3V AND 4.6L 4V too? Rather than show boosted love to just one Modular Ford family, I decided to give you guys info on adding boost to three different Modular Ford combos. Starting with a modified 4.6L 2V (PI & non PI Hybrid), we also added the twin-turbo to 4.6L 3V and Cammed 4.6L 4V (o3 Cobra) motor.

Komentáře • 376

  • @arturos.3973
    @arturos.3973 Před 4 lety +112

    You're like Oprah. "YOU GET BOOST, YOU GET BOOST. EVERYBODY GETS BOOST!"

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety +16

      That was the inspiration

    • @LS__812
      @LS__812 Před 4 lety

      Exactly what I came to comment..

    • @itskarl79
      @itskarl79 Před 3 lety

      @@richardholdener1727 You didn't show how much the 3v made with 14.5 lbs boost... I saw the file was there when you opened the 10lbs boost though?? @ 7:18 ... Only asking because I'm debating single vs twin turbo on my 05 F150 (towing) 5.4 3v, doing MMR rods, timing guides/tensioners yada yada... I will probably just keep it under 10lbs, but nice to know the potential

  • @JerryF417
    @JerryF417 Před 4 lety +47

    Finally! Mod motors. Yay!

    • @compted10
      @compted10 Před 4 lety +1

      I believe he has a couple extra videos if you are interested.

    • @joefries365
      @joefries365 Před 4 lety +1

      ahh yes i cant wait to see what they do on an electric motor

  • @nocomment1749
    @nocomment1749 Před 4 lety +63

    As a guy whose building a 3v I really appreciate this! It’s hard to find content or information about the 3v considering it’s short lifespan. Good video!

    • @Scootermagoo
      @Scootermagoo Před 4 lety +6

      Well just remember to anti-sieze the sparkplugs so they actually come out.

    • @nocomment1749
      @nocomment1749 Před 4 lety +5

      Scootermagoo I luckily have the revised heads from late 2008 and 2009 models. Thanks for the warning tho lol.

    • @markmccarty727
      @markmccarty727 Před 3 lety +4

      How many thousands of them are still running. There 3 of them same color and package as my FX4 in a town of 8000 people, dozens of 2 and4wd running around. Not to shabby for a motor with 'problems'!! Mine just tripped 250000! I tow a 5400lb dry weight camper. Car trailers, gonna pull an old tractor soon!!

    • @Bugsidious
      @Bugsidious Před 2 lety

      I'm building one as well. And aftermarket parts is super hard to find. No intakes or fuel rails.

    • @nocomment1749
      @nocomment1749 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Bugsidious CPE or an old JPC if you can find one (and have no budget) ford performance is also good but if youre going to see boost pressures in excess of 20 I would just run the Jegs intake. Fore Innovations also has complete fuel systems available.

  • @niknasstie
    @niknasstie Před 4 lety +106

    The V10 modular guys are complaining now!😂

    • @magdump7380
      @magdump7380 Před 4 lety +14

      Damn straight.
      Wheres the love?

    • @thestig572420
      @thestig572420 Před 4 lety +1

      Lmfao.

    • @robsorgdrager8477
      @robsorgdrager8477 Před 4 lety +3

      @@magdump7380 it's in your f250 . Not sure you want to boost that engine much over 10 psi.

    • @eric63377
      @eric63377 Před 4 lety

      @@robsorgdrager8477 pop sum plugs out much??..🤣😂

    • @insaneTrout
      @insaneTrout Před 4 lety +17

      @@eric63377 as an owner of a 2V V10 with 257k miles i haven't blown a single plug.

  • @MrAPCProductions
    @MrAPCProductions Před 4 lety +23

    Big bang 4.6 2v, 3v, and 4v. Lets get it on!

  • @ts302
    @ts302 Před 4 lety +26

    Awesome, thank you Richard! Please do a follow up with the 3V and VCT.

  • @kodystiehl9985
    @kodystiehl9985 Před 4 lety +21

    Please keep the 4.6 vids coming. I've learned so much about my 2v from you!

  • @tomhamilton9140
    @tomhamilton9140 Před 4 lety +18

    Thank you for the Ford stuff. 👍

  • @fascistpedant758
    @fascistpedant758 Před 4 lety +20

    You look like a hot climate Santa Claus, delivering boost to all the little engines of the world.
    Santa Boost!

  • @texdevildog9174
    @texdevildog9174 Před 4 lety +6

    New t-shirt: Boost makes everybody happy.

  • @jeffsnyder2051
    @jeffsnyder2051 Před 4 lety +11

    thanks im a lil 2 valve guy,thats a lota juce from i lil 281 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @carcrazy5645829
    @carcrazy5645829 Před 4 lety +7

    Love the 3V stuff!

  • @lukestrasser
    @lukestrasser Před 4 lety +5

    Not sure if the thumbs down is from a 2v or 3v 6.8 V-10 owner. Neat test, the 3v engines rarely get any love.

  • @ronaldpoley4357
    @ronaldpoley4357 Před 4 lety +18

    Man, that 3-valve was torquey!

    • @madmod
      @madmod Před 3 lety

      Im still shocked by that torque plateau

  • @scottadkin541
    @scottadkin541 Před 4 lety +2

    This man, what a legend. Keep it up, I show your channel to anyone I can. Fantastic information and wonderful dialogue!

  • @jafferm1938
    @jafferm1938 Před 4 lety +14

    Honestly I liked the power curves of the 2v and 3v... they were much smoother and made more low end torque

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck Před 4 lety

      That's what they do lol

    • @stevenwalker9013
      @stevenwalker9013 Před 3 lety +1

      Love my 4.6 2valve.

    • @jakejacob9814
      @jakejacob9814 Před 3 lety +2

      imagine if the vvt wasnt locked out

    • @sepg5084
      @sepg5084 Před 2 lety +1

      For a car, i'd rather have the 4 valve. For a truck, maybe a 3 valve. If i was going 2 valve, i'd rather get an LS to have better aftermarket support. Horsepower knows no branding.

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 Před měsícem

      ​@@sepg5084the mod motors have endless aftermarket support and with forged internals sky's the limit no reason for an ls. Buy a gm if you wanna build an ls.

  • @strokermaverick
    @strokermaverick Před 4 lety +9

    Turminator engines, were underrated by, 50 hp and 50 lb feet of torque! Looks it up!

    • @HioSSilver1999
      @HioSSilver1999 Před 4 lety +2

      15-20 at most.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety +18

      I don't have to look it up-I ran plenty of them

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 Před 4 lety +2

      They made almost their rated power at the tires. I've seen one test that tossing the factory airbox aside made more than 400 at the tires on a stock car. It was also a magazine test car, so was maybe better than most, but they could deliver the goods.

    • @HioSSilver1999
      @HioSSilver1999 Před 4 lety +1

      @@timothybayliss6680 they typically made 350-360 whp stock. Ran like they had 320whp. I have a 03 cobra motor in a notch with a ported blower that makes 468whp 471wtq

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 Před 4 lety +3

      @@HioSSilver1999 I haven't looked into cobras in years. From what every dork that has one says is they have a long break in period, and will continue to increase in power until almost 30k miles. The most I've seen from someone claiming to have a stock car is 381 SAE on a mustang dyno. That seems really high to me, like more than a c7 corvette. If you look at the mph these cars could hit in the 1/4, they were making at least 430hp the whole time.

  • @laParka777
    @laParka777 Před 4 lety +2

    Fuck ya! Now we just need the V10 and it will be full circle. Just kidding Rich, love your videos. I have learned a lot from every single 2v mod video you have produced. Your Non Pi shortblock with PI ported heads and cams combo is by far my favorite.

  • @theozman38
    @theozman38 Před 4 lety +3

    I love the vice grips. Lol. Modern technology still relies on those handy dandy devices

  • @bradpittman5075
    @bradpittman5075 Před 4 lety +2

    Pretty crazy how much power a couple of disco potatoes made on those little engines. Very cool. Thanks Richard.

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 Před 4 lety +1

      These turbos are quite a bit bigger than a gt2860rs. The highest mass flow I've seen is 48lb/m where the potato will only flow about 35lb/m. When I saw the near 1000hp, that's about all the air these turbos can move. You'll never find a potato that makes more than about 400 at the crank, thats with race gas or e85, the compressor is just too small

  • @stlchucko
    @stlchucko Před 4 lety +2

    Richard is the Oprah of boost.

  • @mixvideos727
    @mixvideos727 Před 4 lety +4

    Ford stuff 👍👍

  • @michaelangelo8001
    @michaelangelo8001 Před 4 lety +11

    Can't get over the amount of hp from that old 2 valve, at 2 bar.

    • @michaelharris748
      @michaelharris748 Před 4 lety +4

      2v arent nearly as bad as ppl make them out to be. You got guys out here in stock 2v gts from the 90s getting gapped by coyotes and everyone says oh they suck theyre slow...with the right mods they can make some power and it dont take nearly as many mods as most people think it does. I think the power is very respectable. The 4v is def the king of the older mod motors and even the coyote is a 4v. The gt500s were also 4v albiet 5.4 and a punched out version of the same engine the 5.8. I love me some 4vs but i also realize the potential of the 2v when done right and i respect them and they sound great.

  • @9psi
    @9psi Před 4 lety +14

    Bring on the 3V vct love. In 5.4 size ;)

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck Před 4 lety +2

      No. Even Richard can't love the 3 valve 5.4

    • @mrchemistrycow
      @mrchemistrycow Před 3 lety

      @@Prestiged_peck its the red headed step child lol

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck Před 3 lety

      @@mrchemistrycow more like the red headed step child's red headed step child

  • @lulujrlaulom7905
    @lulujrlaulom7905 Před 3 lety +1

    4.6 really came alive on that 2v.

  • @ryanmalin
    @ryanmalin Před 4 lety +2

    oh hell yes! this is the perfect video for tonight! Thanks Rich!

  • @roberth6399
    @roberth6399 Před 4 lety +1

    Now let’s do a Big Bang 4.6 2v PI junk yard engine. Keep up the good work love your stuff.

    • @masta51
      @masta51 Před 4 lety +1

      Friend did that on accident with the wrong spring in the WGA, it went lean and made 870 and then spun the main right next to the redline. Boost pegged around 29psi if my memory serves.

  • @artemusifasuenshuffleman8535

    Thank you! Just what I wanted to see..love your videos, straight to the point and on the right level.

  • @dreygrach
    @dreygrach Před 4 lety +11

    A 2v making 714 hp, amazing! 🤤🤤🤤

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 Před 3 lety +3

      This is an engine dyno with no exhaust and no accessories pulling hp from it and no driveline loss. In a car this combo might see 600 at the wheels on a good day which isnt bad just wanted to put into perspective that this 700+hp is nowhere near 700 WHEEL hp which is what most people refer to in the automotive aftermarket industry. It isnt that hard to make power with a 2v people just repeat what everyone else says that they can't do it. With stock rods they can't reliably hold much above 400-450 rwhp but you can get a forged rotating assembly for like 2 grand and then the skies the limit basically. That is the only thing holding a 2v back from making big power. It won't make as much as a 4v with equal mods and boost but it can def make plenty of power.

    • @dooby1445
      @dooby1445 Před 18 hodinami

      @@midnight347You’re not wrong, but how much horsepower do you think a properly sized exhaust costs? A proper exhaust will have less than 1psi of back pressure (not pre-turbo). I don’t believe the power loss will show up on a dyno.

  • @timboro3433
    @timboro3433 Před 4 lety +2

    Didn't realize that to4e would make that kinda power, good to know

  • @lloydholt6511
    @lloydholt6511 Před 4 lety +1

    Great test. Boost always makes power. No surprises their. Factory Ecu would be interesting.

  • @elms1319
    @elms1319 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great video 💯

  • @ariczacari
    @ariczacari Před 4 lety +1

    My guy! Why didn’t you make these videos years ago! Great stuff so much information.

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 Před 3 lety

      He used to do testing for muscle mustangs and fast ford magazine back in the day that is actually where the 4v portion of the test came from they did a boost comparison on that engine he mentioned in the video they did twin screw, stock blower, centrifugal blower and these twins. They were always doing cool tests and build up like these in those mags back in the day man I miss mm&ff mag going to have to get another subscription. Not the same as it once was but still a good mag for ford guys with lots of info.

  • @rupertastrid8846
    @rupertastrid8846 Před 4 lety +2

    So I remember doing some research in the past and the 57 trim t04e turbo's actually tend to make less power than the 50 trims with all else being equal. The inducer on the compressor is slightly larger but the exducer is the same. I'd almost bet if you did the math and plot them out on a compressor map the 50 trim would have been a better choice to stick with all around, I would've enjoyed seeing back to back with the exact same turbo setup.

  • @veraneio-ow2gb
    @veraneio-ow2gb Před 4 lety +1

    Greetings from Brazil!! Thank you for all you're videos, they are very informative!!!!!

  • @charliedee9276
    @charliedee9276 Před 4 lety +1

    Bought your book a few years ago on the 4.6/5.4 building HP on the dyno when I had my 06 P71 Crown Vic. I never did get it boosted however I did put the Trick Flow heads on it when they came out, I remember in your book how you mentioned how it would be great if someone stepped up and made an aftermarket head for the 2 valve. Along with the 262 cams and some other tweaks I got it running pretty good for an NA 2 valve. Love those big ol Crown Vics, going to get another and put some boost to this one.

  • @CamaroRick
    @CamaroRick Před 4 lety +2

    I like the drive by Irwin conversion

    • @CamaroRick
      @CamaroRick Před 4 lety +1

      Also a test of an Ly6 with VVT cam phaser tuning results would be awesome.

  • @Sir.VicsMasher
    @Sir.VicsMasher Před 4 lety +7

    Love to see what you could do with a sleeved and turbo'd 5.4L or 5.8L Ford Mod Motor. Not too many have done that as sleeved Coyotes are pretty hot right now.

    • @RyTrapp0
      @RyTrapp0 Před 4 lety +3

      I'm not sure why you think that - when the GT500 came out with the 4v GT head 5.4l in '07, they've been boosted up to and well past 1000WHP ever since

    • @Sir.VicsMasher
      @Sir.VicsMasher Před 4 lety +1

      ​@@RyTrapp0 Seems like you don't know what a sleeved block is. Check them out and then get back to me if you still "Are not sure" 😉 ... I recognized your screen name from back when I frequented SVTP so I'm just f'ing with you. Former 2011 GT500 aluminum block owner.

  • @jonroberts6518
    @jonroberts6518 Před 2 lety +2

    Came back to watch this video again, showing my brother. I'm finding similar turbos out there in that t04e 57 trim and 60 trim just wondering what that aspect ratio was on those 57 trim? For me this video won't get old

  • @Drifter6942
    @Drifter6942 Před 4 lety +21

    I would like to see the same test done with superchargers on the 5.4 2v and 3v

    • @markmccarty727
      @markmccarty727 Před 3 lety

      Just made a request for 3v 5.4. low boost 6-8 lbs, for towing. My 5.4 3valve motor does a good job towing my 5400lb camper. No complaints. But 450-500 ft.lb. of touque @6-7 lbs of boost would be awesome. The old dogs got 250000 miles on it, but still going strong. If I decided to freshin it up it be nice to have more power. My phazers are locked out, all the fixed done.

    • @madmod
      @madmod Před 3 lety

      @@markmccarty727 I know a centri blower isnt known for torque production at low rpms but it is a bolt on option for boost with a 5.4. It would have a rising boost curve but still produce a lot more torque than stock.

    • @markmccarty727
      @markmccarty727 Před 3 lety

      @@madmod Yes, and it's an easy installation, but it's not really a load sensing application. My 5.4 does a really good job, and I'm nowhere near maxing out the tow capacity. But just like racing, a little more is always better. Probably could get 550-600ft. lbs. Of torque really easy with 70 mm turbo. I think 500 would more than I need. Getting onto the interstate pulling a camper is tuff with some of the short ramps and NO acceleration lane!! Hardly ever do that, but a little more power is never a bad thing

    • @madmod
      @madmod Před 3 lety

      @@markmccarty727 The benefit to even a centri blower is the fact you can pulley it up to get into boost more quickly while also avoiding any exhaust issues with having to feed a turbo. You will still come into boost very early with a vortech and a pulley. Should be able to support 500+ ft/lbs no problem.

    • @markmccarty727
      @markmccarty727 Před 3 lety

      @@madmod Still dragging it along. To do that ud still have to make arrangements for bleeding boost off by the time you get it spinning faster. I know, I want alot for next to nothing. In reality, a 4.6 with a properly sized turbo would probably be more efficient. But I'd still be pulling that big ass transmission and rear end! I'm out waiting on back surgery and got to much free time, but not able to put it to use!! It works fine now, and very versatile. 6lbs. Of boost @2500 would really great though!

  • @tolfojuan
    @tolfojuan Před 4 lety +8

    I would like to see the same comparison but with the 5.4

  • @ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers
    @ENKTDeeColon_and_randomnumbers Před 8 měsíci +1

    No wonder that Koenigsegg bolted two Rotrex blowers on a 4V in the beginning

  • @leosixpower
    @leosixpower Před 4 lety +1

    Great video!!!! You guys could use a fueltech ems that controls the variable cam timming.

  • @hiteracing1489
    @hiteracing1489 Před rokem +1

    Awesome

  • @Y2daT420
    @Y2daT420 Před 3 lety +1

    you should do a stock pi 2v block with non pi stock heads with a twin turbo .. .. so a budget guy with a both engines could basically do a budget NA build for 1 car using the non pi block w the pi heads + cam upgrades.. and the pi block with the non pi heads along with a cheap twin 50 or 57 turbo kit for car 2,, + needed ecu and fuel injector-pump upgrades ..aiming for the 600 ish hp mark... mainly bringing this up because i have 2 cars with 95-96 year 4.6 2valve and a 01 4.6 2v...all lincoln tc

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 3 lety

      non PI heads are not good

    • @Y2daT420
      @Y2daT420 Před 3 lety

      @@richardholdener1727 my thought is a lower compression motor on the cheap $$ to make more power under boost pressure.. ( which is due to more total volume being pressurised on the intake stroke) provided you have the turbo well sized/..ect for the build. However if the non pi heads are junk then ???

    • @charlestalton1825
      @charlestalton1825 Před 3 lety

      Y2da420 i see ya, good for the goose & the gander - na vs boosted and /or compressed ???
      Now I'm confused, like mechanical variable duration and the " open valve " concept!

    • @dooby1445
      @dooby1445 Před 18 hodinami

      @@Y2daT420It’s not the year 2000 man. Our fuels are better these days. High compression high boost on E85 and let it eat man.

  • @timruiter5460
    @timruiter5460 Před 4 lety +1

    Twin turbos on my Mark 8! The Original Cobra engine.

  • @ElDudeTV
    @ElDudeTV Před rokem +1

    That's my dream to see my Lincoln Town Car EXECUTIVE L with twin turbos.

  • @busij44
    @busij44 Před 4 lety +1

    Thanks for the mod motor stuff.

  • @bcbloc02
    @bcbloc02 Před 4 lety +3

    Would have liked to have seen how the boost to drive pressure ran on these setups.

  • @umakemerandy3669
    @umakemerandy3669 Před 3 lety +1

    Good good!

  • @jimmyford271
    @jimmyford271 Před 4 lety +1

    Great video Richard. I would like to see you test the Hellion twin turbo set up on the gen 3 hemi. It uses the factory 6.4 exhaust manifolds.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety +2

      I have run turbo Hemi stiff with the stock (SRT8 and RAM) exhaust-the SRT8 works well

  • @pmd7771969
    @pmd7771969 Před rokem +1

    They should've used e85. Very few guys wanna run that expensive 114 to 118 s h I t. And e85 runs cool. No intercooler needed usually.
    Bloodviking

  • @jbm3458
    @jbm3458 Před 4 lety +1

    great content once again!

  • @aaronliddell4280
    @aaronliddell4280 Před 4 lety

    Great content here Sir Holdener

  • @russelljackson7034
    @russelljackson7034 Před 4 lety +1

    Right on

  • @edjackson4389
    @edjackson4389 Před 3 lety +1

    Great video!!

  • @MegaSheila12
    @MegaSheila12 Před 4 lety +1

    Wow. I would take any of those with turbos in a fox body

  • @Brock_Landers
    @Brock_Landers Před 4 lety +1

    So Rich, I'm a big Honda guy. I have a 612 whp EJ8 built LSVTEC turbo. I also have a 6th gen Accord that's about to get a J32A swap with a 6 speed manual. What I'd really like to see is what a single or twin turbo kit would do on a J32A2. I know that you're big on the B16 and B18, but I'm really interested in seeing what the stock J series can do. My stock J32A was rated at 260 hp and mine has headers, a full exhaust with dual mufflers, an Injen cold air intake, and a single stage 50 hp dry nitrous kit.

  • @manitoublack
    @manitoublack Před 4 lety +8

    Might need to come to the dark side and use a real ecu like a Motec or Adaptronic to control variable valve timing

    • @austindoud273
      @austindoud273 Před 4 lety +6

      Or megasquirt

    • @SomethingFunny454
      @SomethingFunny454 Před 4 lety

      @@austindoud273 That's what they call my ex wife.

    • @markrein7282
      @markrein7282 Před 4 lety

      Or just lock the cams in a more reasonable spot, or get a custom grind with a proper ICL for locked cam timing. The TFS 2v adjustable crank sprockets work well on a 3v.

    • @andrewslagle1974
      @andrewslagle1974 Před 2 měsíci

      @@markrein7282 the vvt is key on these engines !

    • @markrein7282
      @markrein7282 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@andrewslagle1974 Agreed with a N/A version. Once you go boost, it is barely worth the effort to risk the loss of valvetrain control with the stock phasers. At least you can now piece together a reliable system where you can use the VCT, not like 10 years ago.

  • @billyking5377
    @billyking5377 Před 4 lety +2

    Would like to see a 3v v10 run

  • @johnk5577
    @johnk5577 Před 4 lety +2

    would've been nice to see a run with the 4v boosted setup on a 5.4 lincoln navigator motor

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety +2

      check out the 4V 5.4L turbo video that is up

    • @johnk5577
      @johnk5577 Před 4 lety

      @@richardholdener1727 found it, thats a very nice unit

  • @raybowen8516
    @raybowen8516 Před 4 lety +3

    What about doing a Triton V10

  • @jvinsonhaler
    @jvinsonhaler Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks for the 3v content! My 07 3v is tired and I’m debating whether to rebuild & boost or swap for a 460 or maybe a boosted 351w like the 1k hp version you did in another video.

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 Před 3 lety

      Just do forged internals on the 3v and add boost. They can make a ton of power no reason to go with a different engine unless you just don't wanna deal with having an engine built which is ideal honestly for longevity if you actually care about being able to run it like its supposed to be ran and still get plenty of life out of it.

  • @baddonkey6876
    @baddonkey6876 Před 4 lety +2

    Do you happen to have data a buick 455 we could see? Or the data on the LS that greg brown put the smallblock ford hemi heads on in Hot Rod site, i believe you were the photographer on that motor

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety

      I didn't do the photos for that and I do have a Buick 455 on loan from David Freiburger

    • @baddonkey6876
      @baddonkey6876 Před 4 lety

      @@richardholdener1727 is it the one him and steve had in the chevelle

  • @joejones2705
    @joejones2705 Před 4 lety

    I ran the big camshaft with 11 have motor it ran good I also had a good head I'm 215 darts the old ones not that

  • @insaneTrout
    @insaneTrout Před 4 lety +2

    sooooooo....what about the V10's....2 valves specifically. there a freaking everywhere. would love to see what it can do anywhere from 5-15lbs of boost...

  • @mikeaston9636
    @mikeaston9636 Před 4 lety +9

    Was the 3 Valve with stock pistons and rods?

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety +7

      all stock

    • @tomstamatakos8027
      @tomstamatakos8027 Před 3 lety

      @@richardholdener1727 Wow! I wonder how these stock 3v can't survive on the street/track over say 500 HP? Seems like in the real world with exhaust restrictions, real driveline, tire torque, axles/transmissions and twisting forces tweaking everything back up the drivetrain they tend to fail at much lower power levels.
      Do you think it's realistic to say that with an engine dyno (due to how smooth the resistance is) that a "test car" might have to reduce the power at the crank by say 30% to have some sort of safety factor? Interested in your thoughts on this! Like in the same way that launching a stick shift car can break stuff at way lower power levels than an auto does.
      Keep up the great videos and showing us what's possible - Love it!

    • @schmidtygt
      @schmidtygt Před 3 lety

      @@tomstamatakos8027 500 whp. These engines are straight crank hp

  • @BeardedForever
    @BeardedForever Před 3 lety

    Ford Power

  • @MrJroc1996
    @MrJroc1996 Před rokem +1

    Do you remember what size turbos were offered with this HP Performance kit? I have this kit on a 96 cobra right now. I think the paperwork that I have stated that the turbos are rated at 700-800 horsepower. The A/R on the compressor housing is 0.5. Wondering what trim they are.

  • @RyTrapp0
    @RyTrapp0 Před 4 lety +2

    Since Mihovetz was mentioned, I'm obligated to post up his absolutely mind blowing insane combination(as of about 4-5 years ago anyway)...
    Production 4.6l aluminum Teksid block - 282cu in
    Production GT/GT500 heads
    Production timing components(chains, sprockets, followers, lash adjusters - not kidding)
    11.25:1 comp
    62psi
    10000RPM
    3000+HP
    5.88@253mph @ 2500lbs(Pro Stock chassis)
    He's also used factory forged Kellogg '03/'04 Cobra cranks at this level too, though he's switched to billet because they start to twist around 3000HP LOL
    Mind you, while these are 100% legitimate production parts, the reality is that there isn't a production head or block on earth that's making 3000+HP and running high-5s without hundreds of hours of work put into them, so don't go thinking it's equivalent to 'junkyard parts'; EVERYTHING requires a lot of work up at 3000HP.

    • @zethloveless7238
      @zethloveless7238 Před 4 lety

      Teksid block that no longer resembles anything near stock castings it’s a sealed ass worked over race block 😂 also stop acting like they last forever...I’m so sick of hearing “because mihovetz”. In fact from what I know the 5.0 iron blocks are even better for said purpose 🤷‍♂️. More than sure he’s blown up more than his fair share of those 😊. Seems even guys in mustang forums are sick of folks repeating same bs bc of one guy with race worked parts

    • @PureCountryof91
      @PureCountryof91 Před 4 lety

      @@zethloveless7238 teksid blocks were made by the same people that made ferrari block if I remember right..

    • @zethloveless7238
      @zethloveless7238 Před 4 lety

      PureCountryof91 I know this. What’s your point ?

    • @PureCountryof91
      @PureCountryof91 Před 4 lety

      @@zethloveless7238 there have been numerous tests of the teksid to 1200hp and beyond. This was back before we had the kind of engine management we do now. I'm just putting it out there that the teksid was a really good block for being designed and built for the 90's muscle/luxury car

    • @zethloveless7238
      @zethloveless7238 Před 4 lety

      PureCountryof91 never said it wasent hell even inline 6 blocks like a 2jz are good for around 2000hp before needing billet but that’s besides the point. What I meant was after awhile that block isn’t stock with all the filling and girdle work etc needed.

  • @isaacphillips8543
    @isaacphillips8543 Před rokem +2

    Love your channel. Currently have a 3v 4.6 Mustang GT. What cams and head work were done? Or did you run boost at 10.5lbs with stock internals, stock heads on the 3v 4.6?

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před rokem +2

      WE RAN BOOST STOCK AND MOFIFIED ON A 3V

    • @isaacphillips8543
      @isaacphillips8543 Před rokem +1

      In this video specifically, for the 3v, it was stock heads, cams, piston rods, with 65lb injectors with long tubes? I wanna make sure i got that correct. I would love to replicate this in my 3v for a while before i get a 4v 5.4 and rebuild it and go with boost.

  • @smoke_oguwop
    @smoke_oguwop Před 4 lety +2

    Can you do a solo video on a 3v 4.6

  • @srh4401
    @srh4401 Před 3 lety +4

    So the 3v hangs with the 4v for much less money and at a more useable rpm range?

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 Před měsícem

      When you start revving that 4v to 8k with stand alone it really comes to life assuming you have the right cams and intake manifold to make power there.

    • @midnight347
      @midnight347 Před měsícem

      This 4v is a terminator motor only has 8.5:1 compression vs high 9s for the 3v that also makes a difference.

  • @srbman6941
    @srbman6941 Před 4 lety +1

    Ideally what I want is to see a Boosted Ford 4.0 as I have a 2008 Mustang

    • @PureCountryof91
      @PureCountryof91 Před 4 lety

      The sohc 4.0 is best thrown out. Too many timing chains. Get a Barra if you want a 4.0

  • @moosestangls5099
    @moosestangls5099 Před 3 lety +1

    All Ford guys please help!! Have 4.6 running on passenger side of motor only?? All 8 coils work an injectors?? Left side never gets hot

  • @Blackinterceptor999
    @Blackinterceptor999 Před 3 lety

    I saw an odd post on Facebook of a guy trying to use 3V exhaust manifolds on a 2v PI 4.6...I have yet to find any posts on any of the forums like TCCoA showing the mods to make it fit (like welding cast iron to make holes for the 2V studs) and dyno comparisons.

  • @jamespurvis8880
    @jamespurvis8880 Před 4 lety +2

    Hey Richard, I just bought a complete 4.6 motor with aluminum block (RF 1L2E) and PI heads for 300 dollars. I think it came out of a 2001 explorer. It has stage 2 NA cams from Cushman Motorsports and I am afraid they will not work with a turbo because of the duration. It also has the 6 bolt crank but I will have to upgrade the rods and pistons since I am wanting to go single turbo. What combo would you recommend without breaking the bank?

  • @steveparlier9282
    @steveparlier9282 Před 3 lety +2

    Wanna see 1000 hp out of 2valve I’ve heard it can be done maybe with the pi swap?

  • @enjoythesho1992
    @enjoythesho1992 Před 7 měsíci

    Im the in-between guy 😂

  • @MJTAUTOMOTIVE
    @MJTAUTOMOTIVE Před 4 lety +1

    Richard you need a Haltech elite so you can run the variable cam timing.

    • @scottallpress3818
      @scottallpress3818 Před 4 lety +1

      Mark Thomas I think these are tests from long ago , I’m sure Holly’s new ones would run it now

  • @thestig572420
    @thestig572420 Před 4 lety +1

    Have you ever considered the VW 12 valve VR6? Pretty simple motor and has a fairly stout bottom end from the factory. They were initially designed to be a diesel if I’m not mistaken. They love boost.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety

      I've done some VW stuff-even set a Land Speed Record in a Jetta Hybrid

    • @thestig572420
      @thestig572420 Před 4 lety

      Richard Holdener is there a video up on the Jetta? Would love more of the odd ball builds and Vw vr6 or a j35 out of a odyssey.

  • @charleswaynewright2042
    @charleswaynewright2042 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'd love to see what the 3 valve twin turbo would have done with a little more effort, bren speed has cams for the 3 valve that doesn't involve all the tune timings issues i had been giving a lot of thought to twin turbos on my old GT im 68 years young and getting tired of these little 90 pound kids in there coyotes come by me in the parking lot and rev their engine I've even thought about putting some 460 aka 520 on their ass if i gotta put the oil pan in the trunk it will go

  • @ronjonsircar828
    @ronjonsircar828 Před 2 lety +1

    Hi Richard, I've always enjoyed reading your articles back in the Muscle Mustangs and fast Fords days and watching your videos, they are a wealth of information. I was wondering if you have any experience with forced induction modular engines running on LPG auto propane? It doesnt seem like there is much info out there regarding forced induction and LPG as a fuel source. Are there adequate engine control systems available to run LPG on a twin turbo or supercharged modular ford engine? can the stock ECU control LPG injectors (Im wondering if the ECU from a vehicle that came from Ford with the "gaseous engine prep package" might be set up this way?

  • @rtgarage7984
    @rtgarage7984 Před 4 lety

    A Vw build with duel port heads would be awesome they make cnc Heads for cheap

  • @RJon2006
    @RJon2006 Před 4 lety +3

    Interesting torque curve on the 4V. Any particular reason why it’s wavy and not as linear?

  • @jonroberts6518
    @jonroberts6518 Před 3 lety +1

    Hey 4.6l4v near 20psi boost and knocking on the door for 1K hp 👍

  • @ChrisFromTheInternet
    @ChrisFromTheInternet Před 4 lety +1

    Generally youre not gonna pick up much at low end with the vvt, just mainly past 4800 with the stock cams. Stock call has vvt zeroed till then at wot

    • @jakejacob9814
      @jakejacob9814 Před 3 lety

      then why do you loose so much bottom end when they are locked out? and wouldnt 90% of all the phazers rarley if ever get to the point of being utilized in normal dail driviving making there failures less common?

  • @MeanGreenGT19
    @MeanGreenGT19 Před 3 lety

    The combustion chambers are different not just in volume but in design on the npi and pi head

  • @opieg7333
    @opieg7333 Před 4 lety +1

    I feel bad for the guys with 5 valves being left out... well not really...
    Wish I could bounce a few dozen question off of you but feel like I get a better grasp on the flow-power dynamic with each of your videos. Maybe you can dig into the cam spec stuff a little more? I get the impacts of static compression and head flow in a static state, but really feel lost in understanding what those cam specs mean to outcomes and how the variations in cam specs impact everything. Seems like you can really "adjust" dynamic compression with the cam set up with changes in lobe sepration but how much do such changes matter?
    Really appreciate your work.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety +2

      cam timing is important but whatever the change in the power curve from cam timing-boost just adds to that

  • @marcosgonzalez40
    @marcosgonzalez40 Před 3 lety +1

    Do another 3v with ported heads and upgrades

  • @ZackNakazora1
    @ZackNakazora1 Před 4 lety +1

    starting to think the next "modern muscle classic" is a 2v crown vic with some mild ported heads and 10 psi... 600 hp isnt anything to snuff at and you get ALOT of car for the money

    • @xxxmikeyjock
      @xxxmikeyjock Před 4 lety

      difficult to package. I am stuffing all the crownvic suspension in to a 95 f150, smart people would stick to the older frames that actually fit the CV stuff, and there is way more room for a turbo then in a CV chassis.

  • @paulsmith-ld8xl
    @paulsmith-ld8xl Před 4 lety

    Good job

  • @Texasknowhow
    @Texasknowhow Před 3 lety +1

    Richard, I'm installing a Crown Vic frame and drive train under a '71 Ford F100 body. This is done a lot but I wanted to know what I was getting with the 2006 CV (not a P71 police car) engine... were these the 2 valve engines? Would they be like the non PI mustang 4.6s? What can I do to bump up the power on these? Thanks in advance, this would be a great video someday to help all us swap guys out. Thanks, love the videos and the knowledge gained. Clay

  • @Bugsidious
    @Bugsidious Před 2 lety +1

    I'm looking for a after market fuel rail system for the 5.4l 3v. I haven't been able to locate one for my 2005 f150 project. It's for a supercharger application, so that I can run a return system and a regulator. Thanks in advance for the help.

  • @devincrawford1876
    @devincrawford1876 Před 3 lety +1

    So why didn't you do the pi heads with the 270 cams? Like you did with the comparison of the pi vs non pi?

  • @smackledorfmcsween
    @smackledorfmcsween Před 4 lety

    the cam phasers use solenoids that are variable, hints its name. my reason for stating such is get a toggle switch and control the solenoids of the phasers.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Před 4 lety +1

      they are pulse-width modulated

    • @smackledorfmcsween
      @smackledorfmcsween Před 3 lety

      I meant to put motor control and assumed someone would correct me as I was to lazy to edit it 😂 thanks. Well they could always use the toggle to lock the cam phaser in place if one were to use them in tandem the could effectively make a decent controller for the phasers in theory.

  • @emmanuelestrada5914
    @emmanuelestrada5914 Před 4 lety +2

    How about trying a 6.8 V10 !!!!

  • @CallofDoobie585
    @CallofDoobie585 Před 4 lety +1

    Mehovitz has surprised many on the 1/4 mile... Lol 4.6 in a fucking outlaw/PM LMFAO I couldn't believe it...the numbers he pays down with em are just mind-blowing. But I swear he's using aftermarket blocks

  • @b.c6015
    @b.c6015 Před 5 měsíci +1

    What does the 2v 3v 4v 89v make on motor

  • @bodyshotjake7475
    @bodyshotjake7475 Před 4 lety

    Richard,
    I know it’s a bit old and probably at this point a bit played out.
    But....
    Can you give us a 5.4 2v mustang intake shootout with the adapters?
    What would be amazing is if you obtained a hardballer intake to compare as well.