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Citizen’s Latest Titanium & Mechanical Dive Watch - Promaster Challenge Diver Automatic
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
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Citizen has proven a safe bet every time for me. Reliable, robust, nice to look at and very affordable prices. Great brand
@@johnnysilverhand1733, agree. There’s just no way anyone buys a Citizen. That’s why I think that people who claim to own a Citizen (or any obsolete mechanical watch) are just trolls. They don’t really have the watch, I can’t think of a reason for it; therefore, it doesn’t happen.
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@@OrdinaryCritic I do have 2 Citizens. And one of them is the blue version of this awesome diver. I love them both.
Balldasar's Not for sale in Polanad ... hm, bye then, am off to buy elsewhere, shud'nt
be too difficult
As a former PADI divemaster I am a huge fan of dive watches and my favorite brand is Citizen. I have various models and I have had no issues and love them all.
Citizen is an underrated brand in my opinion. Their quality for the money is unmatched.
Totally, Patrick. I own three Citizen watches (one from the 80s) and a Bulova Devil Diver reissue, and they are outstanding. The finishing is excellent and there are no quality issues at all… bezels line up perfectly with chapter rings! 😊
I am not sure you know what the word underrated means.
@@edteach3r Man, me too, especially in about 3 Citz part, I have a Seven (the 700 series -- which is second-hand), Promaster Diver Chronograph Eco, and a lady pearl dial auto, they 3 together has no flaw in time telling, even in whole 24 hours comparison. Now I used to criticise Citz that they are too plain market brand, but after I test that 3 together I have to respect their QC without question.
Agree.
@@mad0uche most watch enthuiast overlooked overseiko and sometimes orient, because "citizen only makes solar watches"
Teddy- Your reviews are always objective even as an authorized dealer. Your honesty on what are the watch’s hits and misses adds to your credibility.
Why don't you mention that it is made of titanium with a hardness of over 1000 Hv? Also, the anti-magnetic resistance is over 16000A/m. I think these are big advantages in this price range.
One thing that surprised me was how large it wore. I had a SKX and thought that the larger case diameter and thickness would make this watch feel appropriatly small for my tiny wrist (I wear the smallest hole on the stock strap).
Yet the lug to lug is longer than an SKX, so this watch is about the same width as my wrist where the SKX never came close to hanging off. The lug to lug makes it feel close to oversized while the spaller case diameter and thickness gives it less visual presence than a SKX009.
Here's my take on Citizen:
They're basically Seiko, just without all the QC issues and strange pricing.
Love my Promaster Ecodrive diver, never once thought about getting a Seiko diver after buying it
PS I think 1:27 is what most people are shooting for when they buy a bronze watch 🤣🤣
*You're right BUT I imagine Citizen wouldn't like that.*
I hear similar praise on Orient..if they only did glass-backed divers...
Have you checked the price
Citizen is far away from being close to Seiko. Their lineups are all cluttered.
Seiko has big QC issues, but at least they don’t sell most of their interesting automatic watches Japan only.
I have one and i love it. I like the 70´s funky style. Good movement, great materials AND great history behind.
Regarding those who compare prices with the ecodrive etc... I don't think it's comparable, this is a completely mechanical watch.
I think that the doubt arises as they say with watches like Tissot, Certina and Seiko. But I have to say that the Citizen can be obtained cheaper (between 650 and 750). The issue is whether you prefer to have more reserve or a faster heartbeat... I personally prefer the heartbeat, at the level of engineering and production cost it seems more valuable to me. Getting more reserve is easy with a longer spring at the cost of precision... that's why the big brands use two barrels and still don't reach the 80h of the powermatic.
The point is that it is clear that there are better watches, but I think the value for money is more than adequate (if it were Swiss we would not have this conversation).
Citizen is on a bit of a roll!
They've been gathering attention since that launched that Caliber 0200 watch.
Their Caliber 0100 options are pretty sweet too, as are their Series8 watches.
Now recently introducing the affordable Tsuyosa range with the NJ0150 line-up and a nice new heritage Promaster. Go on!
This one's not for me though, it looks off somehow. Maybe it's the small crown, maybe it's in the bezel, but there's something just not quite right with it.
And for the money, I might rather go with some microbrand out there.
I've had quite a few miyota and valjoux powered watches that have rotor wobble. I think it's cool it reminds me that I have a mechanical watch. That's the same when people say things about when they can hear the movement ticking. I have vintage chronograph with a Venus movement and it's quite loud. If its dead quite you can hear it chugging along without it being close to your ear. I think it sounds awesome.
I agree completely, Joshua. I just don’t get the complaints in this regard… I love the whine and wobble.
I agree. I wear my mechanical watches and love them. They’re mechanical, they’re a tiny time keeping machine on your arm. I love rotor wobble, the occasional “whoosh” noise when you happen to flick your wrist. The ticking you hear when you happen to bring your wrist up to your head or on a louder movement, anywhere near your head.
My tag heuer CV2010 is a wobbly one but it’s incredibly reliable and still kicking strong after 17 years of wear/tear
I have a manual wind mechanical watch from the 70s.
I like the ticking sound.
Paired with the lighter than expected weight from Titanium I'd forgive someone for thinking it's a cheap watch. The bezel feels exactly like a Timex expedition.
The rotor noise to me is unwelcomed, in a silent room is sounds almost poorly lubricated, but most everywhere I never hear it.
Citizen have made some great dive watches and I think this is towards the top of the list.
Just got the blue one….it is so fantistic and very light and actually quite beautiful on the wrist….
Congrats! I handled the blue one on a watch expo and was smitten by how the light plays on the bezel, crystal and dial! Also the crystal is amazing, flat on top, curved on bottom, with a large beveling yet sunk to the level of bezel, simply amazing looking and very unique!
Mine has +4 seconds a day. Oh my god! Super happy with this watch.
These new Citizens look great. The biggest draws to me are the 9000 series movements and the saphire glass lenses.
I have this watch and a seiko prospex gmt that just released this year. The lume in fujitsubo compared to seiko prospex gmt is more superb and powerful.
The overall feel and look goes to the seiko prospex. But there is something in the fujutsubo that will captivate your heart. Seriously, dont hesitate to buy the fujitsubo. Youll'll love it just like i did.
Hi Teddy, as an owner of the original Citizen 52-0110 (inherited from my dad and produced in 1977) I am absolutely in love with this watch !! Unfortunately the watch hasn't been available in my country Indonesia, so I am thinking of buying this online...
Great video as always and many thanks for the review of thia watch...
Cheers,
Jeffrey
This watch is the direct re-issue of the Citizen model they call the “Barnacle” because the of the story told by Teddy in the video, which is true. Only, Teddy got the year wrong - it was 1983, not 1982. That model was also known as “Flyer Diver” because it was issued to Pakistani Air Force pilots for two decades. The only two differences are the case for the re-issue is made from titanium and the upgraded movement. Citizen dive watches, including this model, are meant to be tool watches - utilitarian made for a specific purpose and reliable and robust to withstand the elements. This is a true dive watch, just put it on a NATO or RAF strap and you are good to go.
I have had the basic Promaster for about two years. It has proven itself to tough, reliable, and the lume is fantastic. I only wear it when in the field or on the water. It's also worn doing yardwork or doing maintenance on yard equipment. I have a 6 7/8" wrist and it does feel clunky compared to other watches I have, but for around $250.00 it has proven to be a real bargain, and there's no need to worry about scratches or dings.
When I stop working or playing to make lunch, the bezel is used to time the food being cooked.
I own the Titanium Eco Drive Pro Diver and absolutely love it! It's basically this watch without the hi beat movement at half the price. I'll stick with the Eco Drive.
Massage* incoming
I just recently purchased citizen Fujitsubo and Seiko Prospex GMT in a week. My first impression on the fujitsubo was it felt cheap and less appealing.
When my Prospex GMT arrived, I was totally mesmerized.
But after a week of alternatively wearing both, and consistently staring at them, there is something in that fujitsubo that will capture your heart.
It's hard to explain unless you have the fujitsubo in your hand.
I tell you, that watch has something in it. Perhaps it's style and design and the color. It will magnetize you.
Just buy the fujitsubo and you won't regret it.
Do you still love it? What color did you get?
I actually think 🤔 that rubber strap on the black watch is. GREAT idea! I work in a manufacturing environment, and to be wearing some fancy bracelet type strap is just askin' for trouble. A rubber strap makes much more sense.
If I'm not @ work, I'm outdoors doin' stuff, so that black watch with the rubber strap is much more practical.
I bought the black one. The watch is superb. It is extremely high quality, beautiful, wearable. I am so delighted with this watch, that I might buy a blue one as well. Top !!! 💪💪💪
Love this titanium version. Thanks for sharing!
Great video thanks, I bought the blue dial version, love it however although Citizen mentioned the titanium has “Duratect” treatment, my buckle scratched easily, within the first few days I wear this watch😢
That time regulation seems really solid for the Miyota
Not a Citizen fan, but I think this is a good thing. We need all the competition we can get, and, objectively speaking, taking out all the nuances based on pointless comparisons, it's an attractive watch with actual history.
My rubber duckie holds up to arduous use in aquatic environments, he's called Herbie and he hasn't sunk yet.
Was waiting for this review! Awesome watch Teddy! 🙌
you're a great reviewer too
X2 amazing watch
@@garynico9872 You've made my day, good sir! 🙌
Nice watch. Still wouldnt take the place of the Promaster, but Citizen is, like you said, "headed in the right direction."
It is a Promaster.
Promaster is a complete range, not a single model, like Prospex from Seiko.
@@e28forever30 You are correct. I misspoke. I meant to say this one wouldn't take the place of the other one.
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😂😉
I have a Baltic watch with a Miyota movement, and one of the things to notice is that the rotor is unidirectional so it will jiggle on the wrist occasionally. Similar to what happens to your Junghans Chronoscope
That's true, the rotor wobble. Funny thing you hear a lot about how that's a real negative for buyers in this category, sub-$1000 but when you get into high horology or even some mid-tier watches quite a few are unidirectional, maybe even the majority and I think the main reason is that it just thins out the movement. Some will say its more efficient but its only more efficient half of the time, so take that with a grain of salt.
Same goes for Valjoux movements. I sort of like it, makes the watch feel more « alive » if you see what I mean!
I also notice it’s thinner and much more accurate than seiko movements
@@zman8340 The magic lever that gives Seiko bi-directional winding is also what makes them thicker.
@@calvint226 yes I suppose so. I’ll take a 9000 over a 6r any day .
Thanks Teddy for the vid. I have always been a fan of Citizen and a little surprised it's not talked about more often. I also like this release quite a lot. The pricing seems fair as well - my only gripe - it's too big for my wrist!
AKA the Citizen Barnacle 👍
I have two Promaster Divers, the venerable BNand a BJ7111-51M Super Titanium GMT Diver. The latter is such a well featured watch, only missi g out on the " on the fly" bracelet adjustment. The watch is so confortable to wear. Excellent reviews as usual.
Good review, the black on a strap really appeals to me. the head of the watch is just 54 grammes, that has gotta be appealing. Conbine that with great looks, what appears to be a great movement, beautiful sapphire crystal and great back story, what's not to like? My first dive waatch was a quartz Citizen I got for Christmas '91, it never let me down, but I cant think why I sold it. 20 plus watches later, Im tempted to go Citizen once again.
Citizen is by far the best bang for bucks. Look at the titanium they are using plus 9000 moment with good anti magnetic properties, if this would be done by any swiss brand they will charge 1000 of dollars with exceptional advertising.
Oh boy another dive watch. Just what we needed. I have seen that watch before. It looks like a thousand other dive watches.
How about discounting the watches in your store? Your prices are as high as they get.
Any chance you can add wrist shots on both 7.6” and 6.5” wrists?
Few weeks ago I bought the blue one and I love it.
The weight is amazing. Weighs under half, and that is purely positive in my opinion, when the material is also harder and more corrosion resistant. (Although less beautiful, but still having its own definite charm in a stark/industrial kind of way). That is Is what you get for giving up the finishing of a Mido or Seiko, and I think it’s an interesting proposition for my taste when it comes to a tool watch like this at least
Im kinda new to watches, so far I have a Citizen Chronograph. Is this worth buying?
how does it fit on a 6.5 inch wrist? just wondering because of the prolonged lug to lug length of the bracelet.
This has to be my next watch I think. My Swiss HAQ diver just failed on me for the 2nd time in 4 years, and if it fails once more, I'm selling that "desk diver" and giving this one a shot instead. Looking forward to the utterly superior lume, but I don't know how I will handle having ana accuracy that is about 300 times worse (litteraly). Hopefully I can keep it to a few seconds by tactical positioning at night, instead of setting it every damn day. But the most important for me is the overall package here, not the movement. And this is the perfect package for me in terms of style and functionality, and from one of my favourite brands too. This watch has heritage, not only with its little backstory and being a re-iteration of an old design, but also by being a titanium watch from the first manufacturer that mass produced titanium watches. And with a nice (or even great for the price-point) in-house mechanical movement to boot.
Did you get it?
Wow! The latest 35th anniversary limited edition is even better with just 12.3mm thickness 😊
Thanks for the review Teddy!
It's not that it's not worth it but for the same price you can get a Tissot Seastar 1000 Powermatic 80. Same price at 700$ with 300M WR, a 2824 with 80 hours of power reserve and ceramic bezel. It's just stainless steel vs titannium.
It does look the piece in black, many straps combinations possible. Nice one.
Seastar is too big...this barnacle watch looks vintage and had a perfect size....citizen foe me
Seastar looks ugly as hell, very terrible proportions and looks on the dial.
For people that like a higher beat, this is a 4hz movement. The powermatic is 3hz
The difference is that Tissot watch is not ISO certified, but this Citizen Barnacle watch is ISO certified.
Teddy, is there any reason why you never talk about Edifice?
I have always felt Citizen have not pushed themselves to compete with other brands as much as they should be and why they have for the most part stayed in Seikos shadows vs taking them on. I really love the love of the dial on this one but it's a decent asking price and like mentioned is let down in some areas like strap and bracelet choice. I don't understand how both seiko and citizen still fail to get bracelets right. Picked up a new Seiko Turtle padi the other day and the bracelet is ok for a watch half its value but rubbish for its price range. The watch itself is so far really nice though and a new strap will fix the issues at least.
There’s tons of choices for replacement straps at least for seiko and citizen
Miyota 9051 ? I cannot find any info on the 9051 Can you please elaborate? How is it different from the well tested 9015 ?
Do you think it is worth the extra money over the Orient Kamasu?
It’s a handsome watch to be sure but I just can’t overlook the underwhelming Miyota caliber inside. If you are going to spend $1000 on a Japanese diver, you may as well go Seiko and get a nicer movement with equally good looks.
You're joking right ? The miyota 9000 movement is RIDICULOUSLY accurate! The 9000 movements I have in my microbrand autos are all COSC levels of accuracy.
just for the record I have a Sub and a Batman, but prime day there was a sale on the Eco-Drive Promaster Dive for $160, so I quickly grabbed that and it's a very nice watch. Now I'm discovering this new titanium automatic and I think I'm going to need to buy this one as well. Really good stuff that they are putting out right now.
Got this for $600 on their website. Cant wait for it to arrive.
@@AnonymousAnonymous-qo8gr $596 plus tax total $633 exact.
@@AnonymousAnonymous-qo8gr right now its on the website for 636 and you can get 10% your first order if you put in your email
CItizen is the new Seiko
Just got this watch. Everything is great but the crown is small the crown action is poor. I thing it’s more the movement as they are not smooth. Watch looks great though.
Why are brands so reticent to put screw link bracelets below $1000? This diver on a bracelet looks awesome but the pin and collar system is a big strike…
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Would pick this watch but sadly too big for my 6.25 inch wrist. 46mm lug to lug is the most I'm willing to go
I have both the Eco Drive Promaster and Eco-drive World Time At9010-52e and absolutely love them. Love Seiko but Citizen is just awesome for the price
I don't think any other brand beats them on value and quality. Most people just don't like non-mechanicals and frown on Citizen on personal bias.
Hey Teddy. Great video. What watch were you wearing during the video?
I’m thinking it’s the Orient Bambino 38mm but not sure. I’d also like to know!
Not sure of the logic to harden the case then use an easy scratch aluminium bezel. Ceramic for this price would be better. The vintage excuse for aluminium does not wash with me.
Such a clean look. I like it!!
I love Citizen but the price on this is all for the movement I feel like and not for the case. 700 or more for the titanium automatic watch, when I could spend just over 400 for their titanium eco drive pro diver? Yeah like that’s a tough choice, hurts me to say it but I feel like if they charged 500 maybe 600 it would feel more worth it.
I dont like eco drive i love automatic...9051 movement is great 4hz perfect for its price!!!
Citizen titanium diver! *gets excited
14mm thick! *goes back to looking at RZE
Awesome video, as always. Would be good to please see this on a smaller wrist.
Great Pelagos feel! Citizen will run for decades.
Nice review Teddy ! Although, not a silicon rubber strap. Its a PU one.
I don’t believe the thickness is 14mm like this video claims I’ve seen it measured closer to 12.5mm or so. Seeing this spec in this video actually deterred me from buying the watch until now when I realized it’s a much thinner cases than this video suggests! Got one on the way now!
That is correct, Teddy does not usually make errors like this. The thickness is 12.5 mm.
A head-to-head comparison with the more affordable citizen ProMaster diver titanium would be interesting.
At 41mm is a Toy diver watch.
I prefer Citizen over Seiko
Citizen making the best affordable diver’s out there, Seiko is overpriced
Bonito reloj Citizen. 🤩🤩⌚️⌚️
*De acuerdo, se parece mucho al Rolex Submariner y, en mi humilde opinión, aún más atractivo. La esfera, los marcadores hora, la manita de hora y la caja son más bonitos y sobre todo, es de titanio.*
For 1000 USD is expensive, for less than 800 USD I might buy it.
Hi Teddy, Do you know, will the yellow strap fade over time?
Tu thickness is 12,3mm not 14 😉
When my grand parents got married my grand ma bought my grandpa a citizen watch witch was very expensive…he lost it I wish I could find it and see it
Will an aluminium bezel be prone to scratches?
The only well known brand of watch I've ever seen quit working for no reason, is Citizen... my brother still has it, tried to get it fixed, they told him Citizen discontinued the movement (probably because they had issues)
That happened to my uncle. His Aqualand stop working. He sent it in to Citizen and the gave him a new one with the 5 year warranty. 12 years later it is still working perfectly
Sorry Teddy.. sure you got declaring the "signed pin buckle" on the rubber strap is accurate??? Not seeing it myself in your shots.
The pin buckle is "unsigned", but the crown is signed.
It should be around Kamasu. But this is 3x it's price.
Seiko has only moved “up market” with their pricing, not with their quality. Would choose the Citizen over Seiko without hesitation.
Nice video but the watch seem to have misaligned markers. That’s kind of why I gave up on Seiko and Citizen.
Seems like it offers a lot for the price and especially on the second hand market.
Citizen Titanium is styled classically like the Seiko SPB143. That's great What less great is that Citizen's second hand doesn't reach its marker! *CITIZEN* text on the dial too large and prominent. Make it smaller or blend in with a lighter shade
It's beautiful ❤️
Good watch, Good Review
I have yet to hear anything positive regarding Seiko bands for watches in this price range.
I have a black one!!! 💪💪💪
>wrist size 7.63 inches. Im glad you have to find a wrist model with a 99.9th percentile wrist to make that thing look normal.
Love all your videos keep up the great work 👏🏾 any way we could start getting weight included in the specs? I always wonder if my wrist can handle it lol
With a wingspan of 54mm, if your wrist is less than 8"(200mm), the answer is no!
Goddamnit Teddy you're a good salesman... 😅👁️👄👁️
Does anyone know where this watch is made?
I was one of the first to get these watches being that I was on top of pre-order list at citizen. I must say that if I had seen these watches in person I would have cancelled my order.
They are very pretty but don’t give me the feeling of a robust high quality watch. It may be because they are overly light weight (titanium) and don’t give me the feeling of a solid timepiece. The reason I got both is because the black one is the color I originally wanted, but I also wanted the bracelet which only came on the blue I got both. I wear them occasionally, but don’t like them as much as I would have had they had been a little heavier and they little bit larger.
Luckily, I have 28 other watches to pick from. I am sure that these will grow on me and hopefully they will get wristtime during the winter. They just don’t feel all that amazing for the money.
I will let you and your other readers know how I feel about them in about a month
Well how do you feel now?
Do you think those indices are applied, or are stamped up from the underside of the dial surface? (They look stamped to me.) Pros and cons of these two options? Would stamped indices be considered less-upscale than true applied indices?
Teddy wants you to massage him 😂
I agree that citizen should be more recognized than what it is. But what I found when trying different models from the more affordable collections of both Seiko and Citizen, is that Seiko watches feel more solid or better quality. Yes, we all know about the misalignment issues, but having both on hand, Seiko feels better.
With that being said, in the pilot, aviator style section, Citizen beats Seiko any day in my opinion.
Nevertheless, great video and beautiful watch.
Looks like a Tudor Pelagos knockoff (for a fraction of the price). Great review, though - as always.
It the best of citizen
if Seiko offered a turtle with those specifications, I'd own one.
I don't like the cyclops on the King turtle
I do like the SRPE93 with the lume at the 3 o'clock, it's missing a sapphire crystal.
outside of that the SRPE93 is perfect.
Ciao Teddy where are your grandparents originally from?? Which part of Italy?
14mm thickness??
Teddy has it wrong, more like 12.5
Off topic but......Well read Teddy. You should be a newscaster.