How to make the Clone Army MUCH better
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- čas přidán 12. 01. 2024
- Today we'll break down what I think was a serious weakness in the Republic's Clone Army. We'll talk all that and more on today's Star Wars lore video!
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Imagine being a clone pilot and being like, “oh man my genetics haven’t prepared me for this”
Lmao, the one time eugenics is valid.
It's also nothing like the simulations.
“This is not like the simulations”
@@genericgamer2836 don't forget the Kardashians!
The G-forces will get you before the droids do.
It’s not genetics that determines pilot quality. It IS genetics that determines advantages like better spatial awareness, coordination etc.
Even the best pilots need training and experience in the Star Wars galaxy
"In my book experience outranks everything" -Captain Rex
Spacial awareness and coordination is also VERY important in infantry, considering how skilled mango is at all of those skills, I think baseline clones would still be suitable (especially considering they were trained from birth)
Jango didn't mention his spot of Corellian Syphilis and it's programmed into every clone's genetics.
And the symptoms kick in... OH! Right about now.
WAIT BoBF makes so much more sense now.
The symptoms kicked in XD
The true goal of the clone army was to kill the jedi order, and they chose the perfect template. Jango Fett is a borderline superhuman for going hand to hand with Jedi, and even for fighting the best of their order, like Obi Wan, who Canonically moved fast enough to block dozens of bullets prior to attack of the clones
Now you got an army of Jango fett trained from birth and with brain chips to follow your direct command
Engaging Jedi is nowhere near as difficult as people seem to think. For some reason, the entire galaxy utilizes weapons that the Jedi can deflect…. Except apparently for Mandalorians, who actually have a brain in their head.
Windu got chased off a balcony because you can’t deflect a flamethrower….. if you wanna fight, Jedi use an automatic grenade launcher
Wasn’t there something in the lore to the effect that Jango fought in this weird mental state that made it much harder for force sensitives to predict what he would do next? That’s why you needed a mace windu caliber Jedi to kill Him.
The point of that is you want every clone to have the maximum chance of being able to kill a Jedi without them sensing it in advance when order 66 is activated. The clones might have needed extra specialization for the war, but they were perfect for their real purpose: order 66.
@@Matt-yg8ub Not really Jedi are super deadly either way, the most basic Jedi skill, something Padawans do, is slapping a blaster bolt from 10 feet away. Blaster bolts move in the movies on Average about 135mph, meaning a standard Padawan has a reaction time of .05 seconds (just fyi this is twice as fast as an eyeblink)
Named Jedi routinely block flamethrowers with the force. Also shooting grenades will quickly backfire with a basic force push (shown by Kal Kestis)
Now have you played Jedi fallen order? If Kal Kestis mid game, when he still couldn't kill inquisitors is anyway indicative of the force powers of your standard, no name jedi then they would be a nightmare. They could force push or pull you, and your entire squad of US Marines, before they even lifted their guns, and then proceed to slaughter everyone there. Mandalorians had to kill jedi with numbers and abuse their jetpacks to stay out of range of Jedi and their force abilities. All those modern day guns, wrist rockets, flamethrowers, Lazers, and elite best in the galaxy training and they still had to kill them with numbers
@@stormchaser9738 Dunno if that was applied to Jango but Jaina Solo noted in Legacy of the Force that it was really hard to read Boba and he was a near perfect clone of Jango (epigenetics shifted him slightly) so its probably true of Jango too. Its also important to note that being surrounded by the chaos and pain of a battlefield made it a lot harder for Jedi to focus enough both to sense betrayal coming and react properly to it which is probably a big reason why Jango could go hand to hand with Jedi during the Battle of Galidraan.
@@phil3751Thing is, irl bullets are somehow faster than hand-held blaster bolts, with some even moving faster than the speed of sound with a .556 moving at 2,168 mph.
And if a Jedi somewhow blocks all that automatic fire from that, the bullets just turn into a shower of molten metal.
The thing with hand-held blasters in Star Wars is they rarely fire at the same rate as irl automatic weapons, and even if they did, the bolts lose power, so people in star wars prefer to use single fire modes for added power behind each bolt.
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A lot of ancillary troopers could have been droids. The physical nature of what makes a good frontline trooper is often a detriment to the design of mechanized units. Vehicles had to accommodate a 6ft tall human plus armor. A Jub Jub clone would allow for smaller crew compartments to either shrink the overall vehicle profile or use the space for other things.
Probably one of the big reasons why they didn’t and would out weigh the potential benefits is logistics and cost. It’s a lot easier and cheaper to setup logistical support if everyone is basically the same (in the logistical sense). Instead of supplying multiple different types of clones. When we’re talking a military of this size the cost savings would significantly offset the cost of producing them.
That itself made the war much easier for the Republic to win as any smart military leader knows good logistics wins wars.
I still say the biggest weakness of clone trooper is that anything that will kill one of them will kill all of them. Just find a disease that kills one clone, and it will be devastating to all of them. Some of them may live with enough treatment, but it's going to neutralize large numbers of them along the way.
That was actually an important part of the first Clone Commandos book.
Literally Carnor Jax's plan to kill Palpatine's Clones during/after Dark Empire, lol
It's actually talked about in Old Man's War book series, too. There was a race of aliens that used clones as soldiers. Another race captured a few engineered a disease that would kill them and let it loose. Once their army was sick and dying, the other race just essentially went door to door killing them.
I've thought the same before, although it could of been a contingency of Palpaltine or the Kaminoans, the Clones rebel you can take them all out with a virual kill switch
@@williammullins6435 this exactly what I came here to say as well
Now imagine if Palpatine decided that in order to maintain clone morale - he had to clone the best chef in the galaxy to run the kitchens on the Venators...
Ah yes, just clone Space Gordon Ramsay.
The other weakness is that if you've fought 1 clone you've arguably fought them all. Particularly in starfighter and ship combat knowing the patterns and maneuvers of 1 pilot means you can predict all of them to an extent.
Of course, this weakness is offset by the CIS using mass produced droids
This is true for fresh clones, but as their experiences diverge, so do their personalities and behaviour. Clone Veterans are extremely varied, for being essentially the same person, with completely different personalities and actions.
@@braalkmathtbf, this is in fact a weakness of the cloning system itself which is only offset because Jango Fett is a man with an extensive pool of natural talents, if you cloned an average man all the clones would always do the same stuff because it's the only or one of the few things they're good at
@@braalkmath well that's why I said "to an extent"
This is basically confirmed by cad bane when he confronts hunter.
Cad Bane said once you figure out 1 clone their all the same to Hunter right before he gunned him down!
Before the movie came out, I always assumed that the “clones“ of the clone wars were actually normal soldiers of all ages and ranks that had additional clones of themselves around as back up… So that no matter how many times you killed them they would eventually come back and would retain knowledge up to a certain point. Kind of like the way the character of Weyoun was handled in Star Trek: DS9.
I’m no genetics expert either but if things like increased risks to mental diseases can be passed down genetically I see no reason why things like heightened reflexes and stress resistance can’t be genetically possible
Those things ARE strongly heritable in real life, so yes it’s possible
Some people think (wrongly IMO) that if anything is inherited it would imply something political, justify racism, etc.
Some people think (wrongly IMO) that if anything is inherited it would imply something political, justify racism, etc.
Hello Justin, have you ever considered breaking down the gun battles from Andor, the first gun battle between the Corpos and Andor is probably the most complete from start to finish battle we've ever seen in Star Wars where you can fully analyze the tactics, strategy and reactions of the corpo security from start to finish, well worth an episode i think.
Oh God X-1 and X-2 that's a blast from the past I didn't expect to hear again.
1:00 Imagine what kind of pilots Jaina and Jag's kids must have been, having Skywalkers, Solos, Fels, and Antilleses as ancestors.
Yet another story we'll never get to see, thanks to the buyout.
Jango has another benefit at least in legends. After Galidraan, he HATES jedi, it is likely he was complicit in much more of palpatines plan than we see in digital media. Certainly not the whole plan or even half, but he likely knew the end goal of eliminating the jedi. He would also have known Dooku as someone who participated, even led, the massacre on Galidraan which began his (Dooku's) spiral into the dark side by causing him to question the Jedi's relationship with the senate. It is also important to remember that Sith and mandalorians are traditional allies in legends, and Jaster Mereel, Jango's father (in legends and cannon if the autubesh in Boba's armor from the Mandalorian is to be believed) was a bit of a historian in legends.
I think using different templates might be a detriment to the creation of a clone army because it could destroy cohesion amongst the troops as the various templates become factionalized and possibly succumb to infighting. The various templates would likely look at each other as rivals rather than brothers.
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The reliance on Jango-template Clones (even if you count the universally relatively lower-number non-Jango Clones from Legends) is among many reasons why it was necessary for the Clones to have free will, and thus why there needs to be a way to *control* them when the time comes for them to go against the Republic and the Jedi. You need them to be free to use the instincts and training they've inherited/been trained to use, while also ensuring that they aren't too predictable. As others have mentioned elsewhere in the comments, if all Jango-template Clones are going to think *exactly* like Jango in all situations, it becomes easy to deal with them. Whereas if they have free will and the ability to use the instincts they've inherited from Jango, they can do the unpredictable illogical and insane bullshit humans IRL are known to do and which many characters (Clone or otherwise) are depicted doing in stories, whether Legends or Canon.
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We just gonna ignore sniping storm troopers in whomps? 😂
From a logistics pov, using a single template is a major cost reducer. All the clones armor, healthcare, training, weapons, vehicles, equipment can be mass produced to the custom specs of a single specimen. Swapping out templates/plans and recalibrating machinery is the biggest source of downtime in manufacturing.
1)bioweapons;
2)price and inability to replace losses;
3)rigid structure and inability to promote from the ranks;
4)cultural bias?
Comment made before watching so hoping for surprise 😅
Well we've seen in the Bad Batch probably the equivalent of Mount Tantiss, especially if they're bringing the most prominent Kaminoan cloners there. Like, making the bases literally in the mountains to me makes it seem certain that they're setting up Thrawn to come across these and utilize them. And I hope they do. I want actual sequels, not the garbage with the resistance and first order
That location in The Bad Batch was actually confirmed to be Mount Tantiss.
@@darthnicholas8528 even better
Another thing that the Kaminoans should've done (And was well within their capabilities as master genetic-engineers) is to have the Jango Feet clones start raging normally once they've finished growing.
Given that the US army's ratio of frontline troops to logistics staff was around 1:4 - 1:8 in the gulf wars, I wonder how many Fett clones spent the whole war hauling supplies and repairing equipment.
If anything i think the GAR should have included non-clone volunteers to free up as many clones for combat roles as possible
Non-clone volunteers who will take care of logistics
Having different templates could also make some good story conflicts between the variants.
Still hate the stupid inhibitor chip thing , legends version of the clones were better
I really liked the idea introduced in the original battlefront 2 where order 66 was a secret mission they all knew they were gonna do. I thought it was more compelling than "ahhggh the chip is making kill the jedi"
This is a very good point as I thought it would be about there weapons or ships rather than the template.
Maybe they’ll do both night sisters and Crohn’
Oh that be such a good story follow two cloned soldier in two different warlord fleets and the ending is them facing of, like who is the superior one.
And the "The force don't like cloning" is such a great hindrance to flash cloning in story.
I don't necessarily see it as a weakness. From what I observed in the video (correct me if I'm wrong, I had a hard time understanding), it was mainly about their genetics and not really their strategies or, at least, important flaws when it came down to it on the battlefield. Regardless, they still won *a lot* of battles, defeating their adversaries effectively despite their genetics and triumphing in moments of hardship. In my opinion, their most likely flaw was their superiors such as the Jedi.
(you guys can add on your own opinions as well, don't care, i'd appreciate it if you did not berate me or disagree without providing an explanation though.)
I'm pretty sure its mentioned many times in The Clone Wars that Clone Troopers are fairly capable of learning on the fly VERY quickly and becoming good at said thing
This is a valid point, but it also undercuts one of the major advantages of the one-template army - everyone has the exact same armor size, so you can give essentially custom-fit gear to everyone extremely cheaply. Make all the vehicles perfectly fit their size, etc.
Your note about how ranking Imperials were selected for cloning is actually represented very well in the Crimson Empire comics. There we learn that the Imperial Guard were selected from the best of the best (of the best of the best etc etc) soldiers in the Imperial military, to serve as Royal Guards for the Emperor. At the end of the series when Kir Kanos kills the traitor guard Carnor Jax and Jax's face is finally revealed, we see that the two of them are completely identical - They were clones who lived separate lives, and were both selected for Royal Guard training. It'd be cool if you could do an episode on that whole storyline.
Also, they did actually get Force Sensitive cloning working in the EU, but only for certain templates. Like you said Galen was a relative success, and so was Jax. But also Jaden Korr not only was a clone, but had two other stable clones made of him as well.
3:10 RotS cross sections mentions how certain aces within the Republic Navy were used as starfighter pilot clone templates
Interesting point. This being said, the Kaminoans (and Jango himself, per Republic Commando) recognised the importance of introducing specialized roles, leading to alternative training (Commandos), or genetic tampering to reinforce certain traits (ARCs, Nulls, Clone Force 99). Even though they did insist on a single donor.
Thrawn’s approach in the Zahn trilogy makes a bit more sense: use the best performers in each corps as templates for certain groups of specialists.
It would be cool to see an alternate history of the galaxy where Jango or Boba too full control of the entire clone army!
The accelerated cloning process is still... _imperfect_. The others before you went mad within weeks; I thought you would be the first success, but it seems you are to suffer the same fate...
3:36 what a CHAD lmao
Point of limiting it to one guy is to simplify logistics and medical care.
You need just on type of anything because it fits everybody.
And with medical care its even better: not only you have just one blood type, you can use your other soldiers as blood donors and deceased ones as organ donors. Maybe you even can transplant limbs in such case.
To increase clones combat efficiency you need to mechanize the Grand Army: issue men bigger guns and have them mounted on at least speeders, ideally with some armour. And while we are there, have some more specialized weapons stored in the same speeder.
Basically transform WW1 infantry into post WW2 one.
Yes I remember playing super mario 64 and snipping clones on bomb bomb battlefield
The clone is only the genetic material. The man is the some total of training and life experiences. You clone for intelligence, stamina, health, drive, weed out the defects. Training does the rest, is it tech school, combat school or flight school. One good set of genetics then it's the teachers job to mold.
Wait, in legends the empire didn't phased out clones as early or just didn't phased out all?
So you're telling me I'm not good enough of a pilot? 😐
Adding more templates would be unnecessary. Clones were good enough at doing all tasks that the average battle Droid was no match
What he's saying is that they could have been even better. And I agree with him.
You don't need a new template for every single roll, but using a single template for all is a bit of a detriment. A person who excels in frontline combat is most likely not going to perform to the same level in a starfighter.
The Bad Batch is a great example of specializing individuals for certain rolls. Each member of the Bad Batch was great in combat, but they also excelled in a separate area. One was incredibly intelligent and tech savvy, another was incredibly strong, another had great leadership and tracking ability, and yet another was an incredible sniper. Imagine if every scout trooper was like Crosshair, or every technician like Tech, or every squad leader like Hunter, or if every squad had a brute like Wrecker. If that was the case for even just one of them, then the Clone army would have been even more successful.
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Just get a bunch of recruits!!!
Here’s something I never thought about until you mentioned it. I get having the clones be pilots and frontline combat units. But why are they service crews and rear echies? Like ok Jango as a template is a great all purpose combat template. But there are not enough to go around and you have these arguable super soldiers trained from birth to fight, to refuel a V-19? To work a reactor on a Venator? Or even worse, as a cargo sled driver? Don’t get me wrong these are immensely important jobs, just as valuable as actually fighting, but why take away a trained soldier? In real life many rear echelon forces are actually significantly worse combat quality than dedicated infantry. (Absolutely not knocking any of them and of course many rear echelon forces can go toe to toe with actual dedicated combat troops, it’s simply a matter of doing what they practice for which isn’t actual combat.) It’d be like having a Navy SEAL who’s trained for years to get that position, and you just hand him a job on the airfield refueling the helicopters.
Cloning force sensitivity is hard but I wonder how much of Anikan's pilot ability was force related or if it just helped his already exsiting pilot ability. If that's the case then clone Anikan to be a pilot, if not maybe Wedge, Hera, Han, or Poe would be great templates.
This would have been a good idea for the first order. Multiple clone templates of which finn could have been one of, and then he rebelled.
Just clone guilliman and youve got the logistics sewn up lol
Imagine clone pilots based on Wedge Antilles's template
these how to videos are getting crazy xd
I just wish we had one episode where clones had actual tactics. In the bad batch and TCW they miss point blank shots against targets!
Perhaps the clone templates themselves are highly cost intensive those it didn’t make sense financially to use more than one model. So jango Fett being so skilled across a variety of military roles as well as being bought, and paid, for, as you mentioned, made him the best model for the clone template. As expensive as the GAR already was to manufacture, maybe adding in another form of clone would have magnified those costs.
Looking at clone batch 99, genetics definitely plays a large role.
i just realized the tyrranids are very similar to the yuuzhan vong tech wise
I think jango as a bounty hunter had to be adaptable, which is a pretty important trait when it comes to learning different things. Sure, he may not have been *the best* pilot or *the best* sharpshooter, but he was plenty good at both of them. Most importantly, however, he could learn to do almost anything. That’s the way I see it at least
One big problem ,and probably the reason for sexual reproduction, with assxual reproduction (that is pretty much like cloning) is that the enviroment changes in a way that is lethal for one member of the species(for example a new illness or a new predator) it is for the whole species and it goes extinct
#AskEck was there ever any mention of the clones that thrawn grew, in legends, after the Thrawn books?
Any anknowledge of them in later books
IS THAT BOB-OMB BATTLEFIELD FROM MARIO 64!?!? 0:09
Don't forget didn't CIS also make bioweapons tuned to the clones? Multiple templates means you need multiple tunings
They ever show a cook in the clone wars? Like in the mess hall on a star destroyer?
Imagine the Kaminoans were preparing to clone Jango Fett... and the process is one-time and irreversible... and then through an "accident" of the Force Jango is knocked out of the DNA sampling machine, and in falls... Jar Jar Binks.
You just need to yell "For the Republic!" and "Watch those wrist rockets!", and the Clone Army is perfect
Did jango need to be used as the door technician?
#AskEck Again, could you please talk about the difference between Clone-Jedi relations in Canon and Legends? Compared to each other, the former is closer and friendlier while the latter is colder and more professional. What’s the in universe reason for why the Clones and Jedi are friends in Canon and just workmates in Legends?
As for this video, I feel like o have to disagree. Yes, the template is important. Jango was chosen because he was the best bounty hunter in the galaxy despite being human. This means his clones would be terrific fighters. However, Canon at least goes out of its way to show that clones are more than copies. They’re shown to be diverse to an extent. That’s because they have different experiences from each other. It makes me think that training Fett clones to serve non-combat roles isn’t so bad. Sure, they’re not going to be as good as an expert, but it seems like they did a good enough job.
Of course the argument for more templates gains some legitimacy after Fett’s death. Without Boba and Omega, the Kaminoans eventually would have to choose a whole new template since the last sample from Jango would eventually run out.
Tbh I like all of them being Jango clones. Jango was literally the best at every category needed for the perfect army.
Yes, he was the best choice.
Militaries need to avoid corruption and nepotism as a matter of life and death so the risk of developing a caste system would surely be on the planners mind.
Thing about the clone army is that they weren’t supposed to be the best army ever. They were supposed to be worth the risk to go fight the CIS, then they were supposed to be weak enough to struggle with the CIS to keep the war going, but they needed to be capable Jedi killers for order 66, then they needed advanced aging so they could get dumped as soon as their purpose had run out. Imagine trying to prevent a 5’s incident with 10-20 different templates I’d imagine it would be a lot harder. Throughout the entire prequel timeline I’d say Palpatine comes close to losing only once and that’s the 5’s incident
I think it’s a case of
Jango was the best bounty hunter in the galaxy and not only was skilled at killing Jedi which was the main reason the Fett template was used
But also the fact he’s a Jack of all trades sort of character
Elite soldier, ace pilot, skilled with heavy weaponry
And while his clones inherit those skills I think it’s pretty apparent that they don’t inherit every skill
Likely due to how fast they age or simply due to the fact they’re different even though they’re clones
And if that’s not the case then palpatine didn’t want to risk changing the template because of Jango’s ability to kill a Jedi
The Republic got big savings on bulk order of clones. That why they used clones in just about every role.
There is an advantage to them all being one guy. Unity. If all of the ground troops have one face and all the commanders an other, then the ground troops will very easily hate all commanders. You'd get a turbo version of the marines vs the navy
I would personally would have worked on remove The accelerated aging that the clones have so that they didn't to be replaced as qiickly.
I wish we had a bit more lore on their training and equipment.
The GAR was commissioned to be the best army, but what is it that makes them superior to other armies that could be assembled in the galaxy?
They have superior strength and intellect compared to a normal human, but there are aliens that do this better.
I always felt like the Clone Army should have a bit more lore considering their training. Do they all know how to apply first aid, or only clone medics? How extensive is their medical knowledge?
Their helmets could link up with their weapons, so why don't we have more clone marksmen? They've been trained from birth with these weapons to be the most proficient.
Are all clone troopers capable of flying ships, or do they produce clones with specialized genetics for the task?
I love the GAR so much, that's why my mind craves more lore. I'm also surprised that the GAR isn't more diverse in unit types and equipment. Theyre not bad, but idk if they're worthy of the "best army" title
#AskEck: What are your thoughts on Operation Domino and how the Galactic Civil War would've gone if it was successful? I wish we could've gotten more lore about the "Secession Worlds" mentioned in The Essential Guide to Warfare that the Empire crushed early on.
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Should’ve picked Fenn Rau as the template for the pilots. He ended up training them any way.
I would of gave them eco skeletons over there body glove but under there armor. Turned there skirts into close range scanners for mines and grenades like call of duty. I would also give them a power pack connected to their eco suits that could divert power through magnets into their weapons giving them more power as well as their eco suits taking all the bouncing around allowing for rapid fire instead of single accurate shots.
Even if the whole 'lineage' factor doesn't get brought up as far as individuals, since I doubt they can one hundred percent count on-for instance-every Skywalker inheriting the Force, and Piloting, and all that engineering (if nothing else because genetics dictates that everyone's inheriting many, many, MANY lineages), surely if someone had to revisit the Clone Army design you could at least get major benefits from getting clones from different species. For example; your close combat and/or heavy weapons infantry can be made of Wookies, who can use their greater strength to rip enemy arms off and likely carry far bigger weapons than any Jango could reasonably carry into battle.
But the Watsonian reason, or one of them, is probably logistics; if you have several different species, or even just sizes, of Clone Trooper (Gunner/Pilot/Engineer/Medic/Cook) then not only do you have to take the different sizes into account for vehicles (for example you can't fit as many Heavy Weapon Wookies in a LAAT/i as you could 'standard' Fett clones) but even just the armor production is suddenly far, far more complicated, having to keep supplies with dozens of variants of the same pieces of equipment-a different assembly line for every clone. Suddenly it's a lot more complicated. Plus it makes said equipment a lot less 'interchangeable'; the heavy weapons built for Wookie clones probably wouldn't be able to be used by the Fett line. A below comment by...ah.....@ben501st suggests that you could have much smaller crew compartments if the vehicle operators were Jub Jub clones; well, unfortunately if that one driver gets shot now none of the other soldiers can take their place so the walker's dead in the water.
A lot of this gets averted if you use human (or human-ish) clones, for instance excelling individuals, but Legends had some 'compatibility' issues using people with Force Sensitivity, and aside from that you could waste a lot of money if you find out too late that your perfect pilot you cloned from is only that good from practice and not genetics.
On the other hand, using exactly the same clone base for all of them would massively streamline logistics-all the armor can be the same size, and there's probably enough cross-training for other disciplines than their specialty (it's not like the Clones were given free time for hobbies, to my knowledge, so why not) that-while they certainly won't be experts-in an emergency a random footsoldier can probably manage the bare minimum level of skill to operate most of the general vehicles and equipment if a suitable pilot isn't available.
Of course, the Doylist reason is probably that it would be narratively iffy to have an army of clones that weren't mostly identical...
It's kind of an odd symmetry between the Republic and the Empire; the Clone Army consisted of individuals who were all just about physically identical, but they gave each other nicknames, and paint jobs, and amidst their many battles endeavored to be individuals. The Empire hired tons of individuals, shoved them into identical armor, and referred to them by numbers instead of names, pretty much inverting things. Given which army is famed for missing their targets, I suppose we can guess which method works better....
I think on kamino they would have aptitude training so if a clone was better at piloting than being a infantry then he’d be selected for that instead. Cuz you know mutations still happen there aren’t any perfect clones
If they just used cover like normal soldiers they would be unstoppable in the star wars universe
A clone army of Wookiees would be nigh unstoppable, though a different clone for piloting & communication might be needed.
The kaminoans strike me as those lazy or inexperienced sub contractors you delegate work because you're too busy. I doubt they expected to fight such a gruesome war, they probs thought the republic wanted an upgrade to their judicial forces which they did provide. What else can we expect from a backwater cloning institution? Btw, X1 and X2. I just realized. They're clones, they're force sensitives and their base subject was still alive? Guess the writers in that game forgot about clone madness.
#AskEck how do you think the wraith from Stargate Atlantis would compare to the Yuzhaan Vong
Though they weren't clones and not star wars but the iron womb was an effective method creating an army and increased asking numbers if memory serves. It was from battletech and they use more than one Geneseed with them using the best men and women in their military. It's been a while since I delve into battletech someone correct me if I'm wrong please.
Add Stormtroopers with elite Clone forces while you work on your own cannon fodder droids and then once the droids are done, let all the conscripts go home and keep the volunteers as squad leaders and shit.
one of the many things the Expanded Universe did better. Imperial Infantry using alternate cloning templates to replace the then dwindling Jango Fett dna was a smart idea. i thought it cool to see non-Fett clone faces under those Stormtrooper helmets even though i will always see the Republic Clone Trooper as the superior Trooper. my question is: just how many Clones served in the Empire? the vast majority of Stormtroopers were naturally born conscripts. as late as 0BBY, a single Jango Fett clone was serving in the Empire.
#ASKECH how do you think the GAR or clone army would have done against the Vong Army!! Still having Jedi Generals but Luke’s from Legends!!!
So I guess it's just making and army of Grand Almirant Thrawn clones
I don't actually think Jango Fett being a super bad ass really did much for the clone troopers. While it likely helped that he was strong, intelligent, and healthy person- which does have a genetic component; I think that only makes him "good stock'. The real advantage the clones had was that it took only 10 years to have a soldier, not ~20, and they were all trained in Mandalorian combat tactics. The latter one is the big one, they were trained and ready to go on day one.
Training a civilian off the street in to a combat effective infantryman takes about 6 months (I've heard as much as 9 months were needed in WWI). Since the Republic is demilitarized there likely isn't a large scale trained militia (either organized or unorganized) to draw on to cut that time to train down; the Republic just had the Judicial Forces and PDFs, I have a feeling that many of the PDFs in the Core were completely unprepared for an actual war.
So yes, on day one there was millions of soldiers with effectively special forces level training (they don't call them Mandalorian Super Commandos for nothing). That has cut close to a year off the Republic's mobilization time, remember this will end up being only a three year war.
I think a pre-war large scale training program and the stockpiling of arms for the regular citizens of the Republic would have had mostly the same effect in the end* as you could just call millions or billions to service after a few weeks refresher training; although the very early engagements would have been quite different; 1st Geonosis looks a lot different if all the Jedi had to call on was the Judicial Forces, some PDFs forces, and maybe the Antarian Rangers rather than a fully trained & equipped expeditionary force.
*actually would have turned out better in the end as Palpatine couldn't press the Order 66 button; while armed and trained populations are not want a dictator wants: those with ARs don't get in cattle cars and all that.
Alternatively the Kaminoans could of Bad Batched the entire GAR, modify/tune their gentucs for the job, imagine a scout force made out of Hunter, a sniper core of Crosshair while all frontline troops could match Wrecker
The only use 1 Template has compared to specialized clone templates is absolute replaceability, i.e. knowing you can just stick an engineer into a Starfighter and expect it to go reasonably well
But if replaceability is what you are going for just use Combat Droids
Few things are more replaceable than the 1 out of the 15 Trillion Droids you can mass produce with a Galatic Economy of Scale
#AskEck What is your favorite/most powerful faction in Star Wars canon?
how to clone a force user try everything until it works
You forgot Jango was able to hold his own and even win fights again Jedi (Minus Windu). Also being a Bounty Hunter in a hostile galaxy some knowledge in repairs, maintenance, and adapting to a fast pace environment Jango has to learn on the go (from getting into a new ship, operating equipment, etc). Does this mean he is an expert on everything, no not really, but he has to be independent to survive and earn a living.
His effectiveness against Jedi was due in large part to the fact that he didn’t use standard blaster tactics.
Jedi are so used to being able to reflect blasters then if somebody showed up with a laser pistol, they wouldn’t know what to do with themselves
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The Major weakness are the Jedi
Another edgy “I hate Jedi” post
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I don't hate jedi
I believe the main reason why you would use one man, the jack of all trades that is Jango Fett, as the basis for the entire Clone Army is that Palpatine is a cheap ass and would never waste money on specialized Clones.