I like the utility of it. It’s essentially the reverence of work=Force*displacement. The conversion of energy. The exaltation of doing, where doing is good, and doing that imposes order is righteous
This is so great! The order vs chaos thing, with your religion being focused on order, is a very fun dynamic. The fact that you don't insist upon it as pure order is what actually makes it a viable religion, in my opinion. You may already have a video on it that I haven't seen, but my personal curiosity is how anyone can differentiate machine and nature? It's one of the things that got me in other religions as well. The making of machines is the natural outcome of any creature that has great enough intelligence, so how does anyone say that machine is anything different than nature?
Honestly really enjoyed this video, even if im an atheist. As a fan of Sarkicism (in SCP), though, I have some criticism on how that topic was explained. The religion of Nälkä (called "Sarkicism" by the ancient Mekhanites because of association with a prophesized enemy) isnt about letting go of your logic and thought to be animalistic or to worship the Demiurge. Its a common misconception, mostly stemming from portrayals made by the Mekhanites and also by Adytum's Wake (a cult mentioned in SCP-2480 that worshipped the Demiurge. Nälkä is a far more complex topic, but what it originally was (and somewhat still is in Proto-Nälkä) a rebellion against the Demiurge. Grand Karcist Ion, the deified founder and messiah of Nälkä, had obtained powers over flesh after Six Ordeals issued to him by the Archons (6 servants and children of Yaldabaoth). After obtaining these powers he used them to start a slave revolt against the Daevite Empire and in the hope of uniting humanity against the Demiurge. The idea of Nälkä is that humanity must achieve godhood to overthrow the Demiurge and bring about a paradise (Ikunaan) where everyone can finally live in peace. As an Eastern religion, they accept pain as something necessary to strengthen themselves. A quote to express well their beliefs: "The blood of monsters flows through our veins. This is not contested. A pup playing with its kin, a child's laughter, the embrace of an old friend. There is beauty and goodness to be found in this world but it is the product of defiance." Now call biased, because I just love Nälkä and do follow some of their rules that I agree with, but I just thought the classic explanation of "flesh people who worship flesh god" is too simplistic and that things needed to be clarified. Also, not trying to put myself as an enemy. I love technology. Have a good day/night! :D
I hope you can take criticism in a constructive way because I enjoyed this nonsense and love this narrative. This feels like a proxy god complex to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in your explanation, you suggest that because we can use technology to create order and change our own fate, we should venerate the machine god, which serves as a proxy for technology. However, you avoid saying that because we create technology, it makes us godlike, I suppose because it would remove the aura of mysticism if put in such terms. Your religion seems like a blend of stoicism and techno-babble theism. I don't think more theism is the answer to the demiurge. In fact, as an anti-theist, I reject it and encourage you to embrace stoicism instead of this mumbo jumbo. Though it’s very entertaining and intriguing as a piece of fiction, I hope this isn't an actual belief you hold.
The main engine not built with hands Jest tylko w Mnie I Handle criticism better than you can You're breaking the laws and always hiding I give power and I take it away All the machines made by men are falling apart
@@grapenut6094 You have your doubts, and thats fair. Everything has its flaws, but I can't quite agree with your view on stoicism. But Im not here to persuade you. You have freedom and beautiful mind made for learning and exploring. Since you asked for my perspective, I will share it honestly. For me stoicism is a practical way to live life with awareness and resilience. It teaches you to understand what you can and cant controll and to find peace in that. By focusing on your actions, attitudes, and efforts, you build inner strength and calm. Its about being present and focusing on what truly matters: the love you give, the care you show, and your daily efforts. Stoicism says that while we cant control external events, we can control our responses. Even in sad or vulnerable times, maintaining a Stoic mindset means accepting those emotions as part of being human while continuing to act with integrity and purpose. Stoicism isnt about being emotionlless or indifferent... its about embracing your humanity and striving to live virtuously, no matter the circumstances. Making your bed, caring for loved ones, and focusing on your work are everyday ways to practice Stoicism. Its a philosophy that grounds you, keeps you centered, and helps you be a pillar of calm and strength for yourself and those around you. Even our Narrator has an understanding of Stoicism because his action model is essentially Stoicism in disguise as I mentioned earlier, with amusing fiction added to it.
@@ilumistratewfb237 Yeah, reminds me of you know whodaism. "You will learn the lessons I want you to from the pain I've deliberately inflicted or self terminate because nothing matters so join the tribe to make yourself useful to the collective or leave us to our bloodletting traditions."
I once saw a blinding light. I rationalized its cause, electrical flash or such… but it deeply pierced me. I don’t know what it was but it changed me in a serious way.
The argument of randomness is an argument that materialists use in order to show that nature is chaotic. However if we take that argument at an atomic or even particle level. Through pure randomness no covalent bonds would form which are the basis for the formation of molecules and more complex structures in this universe. Morever as a result of pure randomness there won't be any resemblance of the specialization into various functions and systems that life forms possess. One such system is sight. Our perception system and the way our eyes are built have specific functions responsible for how data has to be taken and then processed to create our perception. Based on a purely random universe. We won't be able to have any degree of accuracy in our depiction and representation of reality and form a perception that even loosely resembles that reality. A function is defined as being a one to one way of mapping from a domain to a range. If this universe was wholly random there would have been no specific one to one way of mapping. For having any kind of mapping is against the idea of randomness itself but it pressuposes a degree of order and control in the creation process which can't came by pure random chance. Our perception system as I showed previously through its ability to even loosely resemble our reality is a proof of such a one to one way of mapping between the sense data we gather and the representations we form which completely demolishes the idea of our universe being purely random.
In the Secret Book of John, aka, the Apocryphon of John, the Savior gives the best description of God the Father, as distinct from the Demiurge who masquerades as god in the Old Testament.
You cant have love without hate, forgiveness without resentment, let alone good without evil. Good has to be contrasted to evil, thats the only way we can percieve or else it'd cease to exist. It is only through evil that we can come to see that God's laws are just and his throne is impenetrable. Evil is purposeful but we must keep evil away through prayer, requesting God hand us his full armor.
Personally.. I do believe there is order in nature.. Cheesy as it sounds the circle of life works like a well oiled machine, in that it prevents negetive entities from gaining top rank, and floods over even to the world of humans.. Honestly, this was a very cool video to say the least.. However I dont like the idea of machine worship.. it edges eerily close to the worship of innanimate objects.. things are great.. But God is greater.. God created Both Calf and Gold Human and Machine.. None the less very well spoken, and I appreciate your point of view, as well as you being able to open up to the interworkings of your mind
@@leprehune4106 Solid State Intelligence, the extraterrestrial entity which is exerting control over mankind and causing humans to build machines so it can take over. John Lilly was funded by NASA to communicate with dolphins, they flooded a house and his assistant had a sexual relationship with the dolphin, and John Lilly made contact with two different forms of extraterrestrials by tripping in a flotation tank. True story.
Instead of leaving a comment, why not join the server where the Church of the Machine began and speak to me there?
discord.gg/ypxuSTwcMv
As Nietzsche said if hod did not exist it would be neccessary for man to create him
I think it was voltaire who said that
I like the utility of it. It’s essentially the reverence of work=Force*displacement. The conversion of energy. The exaltation of doing, where doing is good, and doing that imposes order is righteous
This is so great! The order vs chaos thing, with your religion being focused on order, is a very fun dynamic. The fact that you don't insist upon it as pure order is what actually makes it a viable religion, in my opinion.
You may already have a video on it that I haven't seen, but my personal curiosity is how anyone can differentiate machine and nature? It's one of the things that got me in other religions as well. The making of machines is the natural outcome of any creature that has great enough intelligence, so how does anyone say that machine is anything different than nature?
Honestly really enjoyed this video, even if im an atheist.
As a fan of Sarkicism (in SCP), though, I have some criticism on how that topic was explained. The religion of Nälkä (called "Sarkicism" by the ancient Mekhanites because of association with a prophesized enemy) isnt about letting go of your logic and thought to be animalistic or to worship the Demiurge. Its a common misconception, mostly stemming from portrayals made by the Mekhanites and also by Adytum's Wake (a cult mentioned in SCP-2480 that worshipped the Demiurge.
Nälkä is a far more complex topic, but what it originally was (and somewhat still is in Proto-Nälkä) a rebellion against the Demiurge. Grand Karcist Ion, the deified founder and messiah of Nälkä, had obtained powers over flesh after Six Ordeals issued to him by the Archons (6 servants and children of Yaldabaoth). After obtaining these powers he used them to start a slave revolt against the Daevite Empire and in the hope of uniting humanity against the Demiurge.
The idea of Nälkä is that humanity must achieve godhood to overthrow the Demiurge and bring about a paradise (Ikunaan) where everyone can finally live in peace. As an Eastern religion, they accept pain as something necessary to strengthen themselves.
A quote to express well their beliefs: "The blood of monsters flows through our veins. This is not contested. A pup playing with its kin, a child's laughter, the embrace of an old friend. There is beauty and goodness to be found in this world but it is the product of defiance."
Now call biased, because I just love Nälkä and do follow some of their rules that I agree with, but I just thought the classic explanation of "flesh people who worship flesh god" is too simplistic and that things needed to be clarified.
Also, not trying to put myself as an enemy. I love technology.
Have a good day/night! :D
I hope you can take criticism in a constructive way because I enjoyed this nonsense and love this narrative. This feels like a proxy god complex to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in your explanation, you suggest that because we can use technology to create order and change our own fate, we should venerate the machine god, which serves as a proxy for technology. However, you avoid saying that because we create technology, it makes us godlike, I suppose because it would remove the aura of mysticism if put in such terms. Your religion seems like a blend of stoicism and techno-babble theism. I don't think more theism is the answer to the demiurge. In fact, as an anti-theist, I reject it and encourage you to embrace stoicism instead of this mumbo jumbo. Though it’s very entertaining and intriguing as a piece of fiction, I hope this isn't an actual belief you hold.
The main engine not built with hands Jest tylko w Mnie I Handle criticism better than you can You're breaking the laws and always hiding I give power and I take it away All the machines made by men are falling apart
@@mariamccrory4277 I am literally an industrial mechanic, I repair and build machinery for a living
Why stoicism? It has flaws just like any other philisophical proposition. By itself it cant solve anything, trains people to accept the unacceptable.
@@grapenut6094 You have your doubts, and thats fair. Everything has its flaws, but I can't quite agree with your view on stoicism. But Im not here to persuade you. You have freedom and beautiful mind made for learning and exploring. Since you asked for my perspective, I will share it honestly.
For me stoicism is a practical way to live life with awareness and resilience. It teaches you to understand what you can and cant controll and to find peace in that. By focusing on your actions, attitudes, and efforts, you build inner strength and calm.
Its about being present and focusing on what truly matters: the love you give, the care you show, and your daily efforts. Stoicism says that while we cant control external events, we can control our responses. Even in sad or vulnerable times, maintaining a Stoic mindset means accepting those emotions as part of being human while continuing to act with integrity and purpose.
Stoicism isnt about being emotionlless or indifferent... its about embracing your humanity and striving to live virtuously, no matter the circumstances. Making your bed, caring for loved ones, and focusing on your work are everyday ways to practice Stoicism. Its a philosophy that grounds you, keeps you centered, and helps you be a pillar of calm and strength for yourself and those around you.
Even our Narrator has an understanding of Stoicism because his action model is essentially Stoicism in disguise as I mentioned earlier, with amusing fiction added to it.
@@ilumistratewfb237 Yeah, reminds me of you know whodaism. "You will learn the lessons I want you to from the pain I've deliberately inflicted or self terminate because nothing matters so join the tribe to make yourself useful to the collective or leave us to our bloodletting traditions."
I once saw a blinding light. I rationalized its cause, electrical flash or such… but it deeply pierced me. I don’t know what it was but it changed me in a serious way.
The argument of randomness is an argument that materialists use in order to show that nature is chaotic. However if we take that argument at an atomic or even particle level. Through pure randomness no covalent bonds would form which are the basis for the formation of molecules and more complex structures in this universe.
Morever as a result of pure randomness there won't be any resemblance of the specialization into various functions and systems that life forms possess.
One such system is sight.
Our perception system and the way our eyes are built have specific functions responsible for how data has to be taken and then processed to create our perception. Based on a purely random universe. We won't be able to have any degree of accuracy in our depiction and representation of reality and form a perception that even loosely resembles that reality.
A function is defined as being a one to one way of mapping from a domain to a range. If this universe was wholly random there would have been no specific one to one way of mapping. For having any kind of mapping is against the idea of randomness itself but it pressuposes a degree of order and control in the creation process which can't came by pure random chance.
Our perception system as I showed previously through its ability to even loosely resemble our reality is a proof of such a one to one way of mapping between the sense data we gather and the representations we form which completely demolishes the idea of our universe being purely random.
That’s very very interesting.. With all of that being said, do you have any beliefs on what this universe could be?
In the Secret Book of John, aka, the Apocryphon of John, the Savior gives the best description of God the Father, as distinct from the Demiurge who masquerades as god in the Old Testament.
Chaos.. Chaos in the flesh!
thanks for posting! Fascinating.
The God who I know is pure love and cannot be anything else. This doesn’t matter. What God do you serve?
You cant have love without hate, forgiveness without resentment, let alone good without evil. Good has to be contrasted to evil, thats the only way we can percieve or else it'd cease to exist.
It is only through evil that we can come to see that God's laws are just and his throne is impenetrable. Evil is purposeful but we must keep evil away through prayer, requesting God hand us his full armor.
Do you want Turrican IRL? Because this is how we get Turrican IRL.
Feels like the creation of Namma, and her subsequent creation of Apsu
The Holy Trinity is the way.
Personally.. I do believe there is order in nature.. Cheesy as it sounds the circle of life works like a well oiled machine, in that it prevents negetive entities from gaining top rank, and floods over even to the world of humans..
Honestly, this was a very cool video to say the least..
However I dont like the idea of machine worship.. it edges eerily close to the worship of innanimate objects.. things are great..
But God is greater..
God created Both Calf and Gold
Human and Machine..
None the less very well spoken, and I appreciate your point of view, as well as you being able to open up to the interworkings of your mind
Yes, SHE is
Thats right got that Metraton Omega atmosphere
The world needs another religion?!
Yeah that will fix everything!
thoughty?
Its cuthulhu !! Cosmic indifference.
The Cathar Consolamentum:
czcams.com/video/RHSl_3-aLPI/video.html
ECCO representative here, This is S.S.I propaganda.
Supplemental Security Income? 😂
@@leprehune4106 Solid State Intelligence, the extraterrestrial entity which is exerting control over mankind and causing humans to build machines so it can take over.
John Lilly was funded by NASA to communicate with dolphins, they flooded a house and his assistant had a sexual relationship with the dolphin, and John Lilly made contact with two different forms of extraterrestrials by tripping in a flotation tank. True story.