IVE - Either Way, Off The Record & Baddie (MVs) | HONEST Review!
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i’m obsessed with baddie personally, probably my favorite new ive title track after love dive
I love Baddie a lot actually. Do I think it’s on par with their previous titles? No, but I don’t even think they were going for that. This song was made by some of the same people that worked on their previous stuff, I am more than sure they knew this was not I AM or LOVE DIVE level greatness. I mean, even one of the Baddie writers tweeted before the release that we might not like it and that’s okay.
Starship is experimenting this era with IVE in terms of everything, from promo to marketing to singles choices... everything is new and unlike their previous eras. I think I AM being the biggest release of 2023 in South Korea, gave them the security to try a new approach because that song is still charting top 10 on some charts, 6 months later.
Also, while the approach might be different and the songs might not be as strong by IVE’s standards, I do want to point out that one of the criticism which is that ‘it doesn’t sound like IVE’ is kinda odd IMO because IVE never stuck to one particular style or sound with any of their previous titles, and it’s the same case here, with this project where we have 3. Their whole concept is the idea of showing us what they can do, constantly challenging themselves. I like that because they are very exciting in that sense, you never know what you’re gonna get, BUT, I also understand that doing so, you are bound to also release stuff that maybe not everyone will vibe with.
So while I agree this is not as strong as their previous work, them doing something ‘new’ sound wise shouldn’t be a surprise because they never stuck to one sound anyway... After LIKE, ELEVEN, KITSCH, I AM, LOVE DIVE... they don’t sound the same at all. But they are indeed massive, anthemic title tracks compared to Baddie. The new style is not the problem, it’s the simple, cookie cutter way in which it was done that doesn’t feel IVE like, who again, got us used to these larger than life bops. Baddie is not even trying to be great, unlike their previous stuff, it just plays on it’s catchiness and that’s it. I like it a lot but I also get *some* of the criticism.
I hope I explained that well and SO sorry for the long a*s explanation. LOL
I really agree to this!
I think the style change was a mistake... It's not like releasing another anthemic sounding single would have felt repetitive at the third cb. Why change what Is not broken? Just to release such a (well produced, obviously) generic "girlcrush/bad girl" themed song that feels like it's been heard a million times before. They were developing such a great single run where each song built upon what the previous one acomplished, embracing what made their sound unique. And then this dropped.
I appreciate the risk of baddie, but I think it would’ve been so much better if baddie had been released first, then Off the record and then either way, that would’ve been a different strategy than most of the K-pop scenario right now and I think it would’ve still kept the Korean fans excited, to me that way it would’ve been like actually preparing a stage to show a different side of IVE (that is actually controversial and sensitive and not so much spoken in Korea as a main theme while being so important) but actually focusing on it, because Either way it’s their best track out the three but really feels like wasted potential for an IVE face that’s new, original and exciting
Ngl baddie has been in my head the last two days im actually obsessed
Either way had just such a raw and emotional message, a beautiful MV, great vocals, and emotional acting, so for me it was always gonna be hard to top it in terms of something I connected to in a meaningful way. Baddie is catchy, but I don’t know why even though I love Kitsch, I wouldn’t really have baddie on replay as much. It’ll probably grow on me as most things do, but I just loved either way too much from the start I guess. The only downside to that song is it makes me sad😂
i’m the opposite, i didn’t like kitsch but loved baddie lol
@@victoriab98that’s interesting! Was it the switch up that you didn’t really like about kitsch? I honestly don’t know what it is about baddie for me, it’s not that I dislike the song at all even, maybe it’s just a grower for me personally
Off the record is such a nice feel good song I'm obsessed with it. I agree with baddie, I mean it's catchy but my least fav on the whole album :p
Holy moly is my top song 😼
IVE means I have. Their concept is showing what talent they have. To clarify this 3 title tracks have meanings, either way is about what people see in them, OFT what they see in each other and baddie what new things that they see in theirself. For me, I love the Baddie and OTR especially their performance and choreo♥️
This comeback along with a few more releases this year reflect what I call the New Jeans effect. Easy listening songs with simpler melodies and less adlibs as it charts well not only in SK, but internationally.
Yeah agree
also more than one tittle track, ive seen it before with sm groups but now everyone releasing more than one tittle track after new jeans debuted, kinda overwhelming sometimes but im not complaining lol
I 100% agree. I am SO sick of K-pop groups and I'm throwing XG in there trying to touch every single genre on one album and getting rid of a cohesive sound. Like I am shocked how Either Way is a B-side but has the best production, vocals, and sound.
Definitely the strongest offender this year loool. Because we already have SOO many groups it just gets real confusing!
Either Way is a title, alongside Off The Record & Baddie.
they have 3 title tracks in this album
While XG did touch different genres on one album their concept actually made it cohesive. Even then I think all the songs share a similar upbeat tone in comparison to the switch in IVE's Either way to Baddie.
@@danielomu9940 It isn't cohesive. The alien concept of the MVs sure but that really doesn't translate when you're listening to it without watching it like most will.
i dont know why, but "off the record" reminds me of "Kill Bill" by SZA. everytime to chorus comes i wanna sing "I just killed my ex, not the best idea" idk if its the same key, or chords they use. Or i might be just trippin' lol it is my fave out of the 3 tho
Aaaand that's why I'm living with wheein's new album cause it might not be your preferred genre of music to listen to but u can't deny is one of the most cohesive works released this year. U dont need to do a 360 with every song to keep the listener engaged IF u know your product is good, otherwise it looks like u are droping a bunch of songs that were left there at some point, to try to please as much ears as possible and u end up with smthing that doesnt have any coherence at all and that definetly doesn't allow the listener to enter an specific mood. But well people may have different opinions in this matter.
Totally agree!
IVE music requires multiple listens. Especially due to layering and details. Check out Baddie with their choreo.
I feel like when someone mentions IVE, baddie is def not a word that would come to mind. Hate me all you want but no members in the group screams baddie except maybe for yujin. So like them tapping into this concept was def a risk. Idk it’s just IVE to me is chic, elegant yet modern ykwim? Kitsch woulda been a better baddie version honestly but yeah i still like my ive gurlies hahaha just not my fave title track tho👍
I like that Baddie is heavily rap based song with sick beat If this song follows rap singing dancing kpop fomula that would be quite disappointing for me IVE doesnt have fixed concepts I kinda agree that Baddie is a bit off from the other tracks in the album but They are a young group and still growing. My fav is Baddie actually 😂 and Im not a kpop fan more like EDM hiphop listener though. Really enjoyed your reaction Keep up the good work Thumbs up!
kpop albums are never beating the glorified playlist allegations i fear,, i can't name a recent project that i felt had a solid idea going into it and a cohesive theme behind each track.. even the title track doesn't fit with IVE's aesthetic (i only feel like 2 or 3 members really pull it off) and it feels like they're chasing this consumer-friendly sound that doesn't really impress like their previous tracks imo -- lowkey a letdown even though the songs have grew on me a bit
Not beating the allegations at all!!
They just say "it's not about who's right or wrong. just like how we all love differently. either way, i'm good"(either way lyrics)
(sorry for the mini rant but I love IVE so i'm passionate about this lmao) I'm so tired of Kpop releases having a complete lack of cohesion because Baddie should not be on the same album as Either Way and Off The Record, like whaaat??? The pre-releases had me thinking we would have a similar title track but it's like we drove off the road into a canyon. I prefer projects like Get Up by New Jeans or 28 Reasons by Seulgi where everything is in the same universe like there was a clear direction, not just being handed random songs and slapping them onto an album.
Get Up by New Jeans is a bad example since the first half of the album is a contrast of the second part. I don't like Baddie as much as the 2 other titles too but this is their way to attract more spectrum of fans ig. A lot of my favorite groups do this tactic of just putting every single genres possible on an album (SNSD, IZ*ONE, Lesserafim).
PREAAACH!
What's even more frustrating is people then excusing it by saying "it's showing what the artists can do", no. It shows a lack of direction and being all over the place. Besides, everyone does that now, it's more special when things are cohesive.
But IVE has always been like this. They never stuck to one particular sound or style for their titles, they are ALL different and it’s the case here as well where we have 3. They are not doing anything new in that sense. What does KITSCH & I AM have in common? Nothing. Their whole concept is ‘I HAVE’, it’s in their name, they are supposed to constantly show us something new and up until this point they have with their titles. After LIKE, ELEVEN, I AM, etc, they are ALL different from one another... If cohesive is what you want, then IVE has never ever been that kind of group.
I agree that Baddie is their weakest title but looking at this era as a whole, I don’t even think they were trying to compete with their previous work. From the marketing, promo, singles choices, everything was handled differently and in an experimental manner for their usual standards. And honestly, they can, they just had the biggest release of 2023 in South Korea, I AM still being top 10 in 3 of the major charts, 6 months later. If there’s a time to experiment it’s now because they still have that success to ride on if this doesn’t work out.
@@2FullMoons Well I never said any of their previous projects were cohesive so my point still stands unfortunately
@@Tenshikichi1 (sorry for the super long reply I just love talking about stuff like this) New Jeans is breakbeat, Super Shy is Jersey Club, ETA is Baltimore Club, Cool With You is UK garage pop, these are all sounds that live in the drum & bass/electronic/house neighborhood. The only true deviations are Get Up and Asap but even then they still match pretty well sonically with the rest of the EP, and with New Jeans as a group and what they have built up over their career, at least to me, obviously every single song is not gonna sound the exact same but the fact that I can listen to Get Up and say, "yeah everything here makes sense for the concept, genre, and direction of the group" is what I call a success, in my personal opinion. I know it's a normal thing for Kpop groups to showcase a plethora of genres, I just wish they would explore genres one comeback/album at a time, not throw everything they possibly can into one project for the sake of attracting many audiences, bc no one wants to listen to 808s then a ballad right after. A different example I guess would be how IU deviated from her usual style and explored jazz, bossa nova, and other instrument heavy styles in her album Modern Times, it had a very clear direction (inspired by 1920s) and dived head first into the genres of that era, then she left it at that and moved on. Another example is The World EP 1: Movement by Ateez, a perfect example actually!! The entire album has a clear confident idea of what it is. Again I know Kpop is all about being versatile, I just want it to be done in a better way.
I love IVE. I love their music. Their music is iconic. Their discography is flawless. Their title tracks and B-SIDES are really good. Their MVs are top-tier.
idk what it is but either way hit me different specially the lyrics👀 also off the record gives me twice vibes especially at that part 6:51
i enjoy baddie but it's just not ive. and I think it's good they want to dive into different concepts but they're throwing away the ive sound at the same time. the production seemed lax and not as full as a regular ive production
This. I really wanted more from the production for sure.
either way was good, off the record was okay (a lot of wasted potential) and baddie was not it. apparently, this album has 3 title-tracks, but to me personally, netiher of them sounds like one?? as of now, baddie is def my least favorite title-track by them. the song sounds like an aespa/nct demo and the mv is like a collage of previous red velvet mvs (ice cream cake, birthday...). hope the other b-sides on the album are more up my alley (I like either way, but it sounds like a western song I've heard before).
This reaction reminds me of your initial Kitsch reaction.... then you changed your mind. Give it a few more listens. Grows.
Yeahhh but with Kitsch I liked the verses already but the chorus threw me off. With Baddie, I don't think anything really grabs me tbh. But we'll seeee
@@Koko3opfair enough. Hope to see your assessment of the choreo (off the record and baddie).
they’re not a vocal group, nor a dance group. They just mesh in the middle and are popular for their members. compared to their predecessors, sistar & wjsn, they lack the vocals their company is known for. it’s questionable why they debuted them however they have really good music and overall compliment each other
Baddie has been stuck in my head since the release date. I wasn’t feeling the other two.
I think I've management took an inspiration to NEWJEANS releasing 2 mellow songs and a hype song.. but failed baddie sounds like an nct song..
We are pretty much in agreement, haha. Though I'd give Either Way a 7.5 (it's my fave track) while Baddie would get a 2.5 from me. 😅
My issue with Baddie is that the melody and lyrics require a girl group that does intense choreo and is known for having an assertive stage presence. Had the song been given to Itzy, aespa or XG, frex , then it would've come across as more fun/tongue-in-cheek.
IMO, IVE isn't there (in terms of presence) and they don't excel at dancing. As a result, the song and MV leave some folks with a feeling of mehhhh.
I get wanting to do something different, but Baddie was a fail for me. :(
Yh, the song itself isn't that great, but if they at least had the energy and charisma to carry it, it would have been something but they don't, so the whole release ends up feeling lackluster. Either way is my favourite song from the album as well.
This! They needed something that suits their elegant effortless style which works very well for them!
Oh yes, Itzy on Baddie, sounds like a great idea
@@kanyin.f4488 Yup. I actually watched a music show performance just in case and ended up feeling even more 😐, LOL.
They're simply not the group for that kind of song.
@@Koko3op My best guess is that they wanted to show another aspect of themselves as a group. Which I kind of get. However, this song was not a good choice. It's too much of a 180 turn and it doesn't fit their vibes at all. 😞