Hades & The Gods (Story & Theme Discussion)
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BBC Documentary footage from: Venus Uncovered: Ancient Goddess of Love • Video
Theogony: • Hesiod - Theogony
Metamorphses: classics.mit.edu/Ovid/metam.html
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- Xenophanes -
“The Ethiops say that their gods are flat-nosed and black,
While the Thracians say that theirs have blue eyes and red hair.
Yet if cattle or horses or lions had hands and could draw,
And could sculpt like men, then the horses would draw their gods
Like horses, and cattle like cattle; and each they would shape
Bodies of gods in the likeness, each kind, of their own."
So they even had annoying new age cultural imperialists back in the ancient times. Lol.
Kind of contradicts the idea of a black Athena
@@ZontarDow only if you assume a white perspective for the game.
This passage explicitly says that each ethnicity had their own Gods that looked like them and acted like them, so it wouldn't make sense if the white European Greeks had black African gods in their pantheon, no?
@@TwoHands95 It absolutely does since they believed those gods were universal.
Also the very concept of "white european" simply was not a thing
George is just looking for videogame excuses to talk about Ancient Greece at this point.
It's true and it's great
One must imagine George happy.
@@demirdzaferovic2990 We have to for MGS is now gone...
Amem.
Super Bunnyhop became a mythology channel so progressively I didn't even noticed the change
I was hoping for a shift to politics but I'll take it
There's enough politics out there.
@@biocode4478 what more woke politics. You have tons of that.
@@biocode4478 It's all politics anyway, current political and social beliefs and systems are closely linked to the legacy of the cultures we all descended from. Similarly, any game and the ideas expressed within, are in some way a reflection on the politics of its creators or the environment it was made in.
Which is to say, I just want George to throw more mythology at us! His Curiositystream subscription is really paying off.
@@as1tis Everything is politics
So now that I've played Hades, I've come to the conclusion that we, the players, are Sisyphus, and Zagreus is our boulder
I like that
One last thing: "The Greeks didn't believe their gods were just the gods of Greece" is not right. The Greeks certainly believed that there more gods than just theirs, and they generally thought that their origin story was the right one, but that said, they thought the gods of other people were real, and that the Greek gods, while capable of acting against other peoples, were not "their" gods too. Sometimes they thought one god must have different aspects or faces, and thence we got Zeus-Ammon or the idea that Mars and Ares were the same god (they're not, they're quite different), and this line of thinking eventually brought to the Platonic, Stoic and Neoplatonic belief that the Gods were all aspects of one divine essence which acted in different guises (the Nous, the Pleroma, whatever) - But at that point, they no longer believed in Athena or Zeus or Hermes as such. Anyway, Christ and Mithras were about to crash the party, so we'll never know.
Hey, could I ask you to elaborate a bit on the Ares and Mars thing? I haven't heard of that before and find it very interesting.
@@SonicDMonkey The Greek and Roman gods are similar in broad attributions because they come from the same stock, but they were given very different characters or "domains". While Ares quickly became an angry god of violence and uncivilised warfare, raw strength and individual might, Mars was the protector of the cattle and the fields, the personification of the good one can do for the community when using force to protect. Of course Mars was also patron of warriors and violence, but he was seen in a definitelt positive light, while Ares was usually not.
@@SonicDMonkey Gods, and the associated religious rituals, changed all the time, as people changed with time and old folklore and traditions got forgotten or updated to fit the times. This is especially true when the gods migrate from culture to culture, such as with Romans adapting Greek gods, or Romans adapting Mithras, or Caribbeans adapting Christian saints into Voodoo loa. Romans in general were big on adapting foreign deities. A standard war ritual for the Romans was bribing foreign gods with sacrifices and altars to persuade them to live in and work with Rome instead of patronizing the peoples they are currently with.
For the Greeks, Ares was one of the less liked gods, being the deity associated with anger and mindless war. It's Athena who is the patron of strategy and victory. Ares hits stuff until its dead.
For the Romans, Mars moved on to being chief god of the nation, supplanting Zeus/Jupiter. It also has been changed into various aspects to fit the times and political needs of the emperor. For example Augustus created Mars Ultor - Mars the Avenger, symbolizing his defeat of Caesar's assassins and Making Rome Great Again after a string of internal and external turmoils.
And when Romans came to Brittain, Mars was adapted by Celts and merged with multiple local deities creating many smaller, very obscure branches.
That gods give patronage is not to be confused with Tribal exclusive gods.
Huh. I always interpreted Athena in that game as being bronze, like made of bronze. Works with the iconography.
yeah i thought similarly as in she was like an ashy granite or black marble sort of thing.
he really called us 'shamelessly horny', and yeah fair enough
I love how this comment proves itself lol
The game itself is pretty horny in places, especially once you reach certain social levels
So, it's to be expected
One god in particular in this game makes me feel devious
@@zeppie_ You don't even need to specify which one.
It's all of them, isn't it?
@@unvexis I’m guessing they meant Thanatos
"The Struggle itself towards the height is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy" Albert Camus
Albert Camus aka Daddy
@@RastafarianPilgrim Gross.
Exactly what I thought when I saw him in game and his attitude
Fun fact: when the Romans came into contact with the Germanic tribes the God they coopted as the equivalent of Mercury was mfing Odin of all things.
And they thought Thor was Hercules, and Tyr was Mars
@@CollinBuckman To be frank Thor is pretty similar to Hercules all things considered. He did go on all those weird quests and crossdressed at least once.
Mercury being Odin makes sense. Both carry staffs/spears, both are associated with wings and messengers, both are tricksters, etc.
@@CollinBuckman to be fair tyr is literally an ancient Iranian word for mars, and whom the Romans would have interacted with.
The rest tho, lmao
@@PejmanMan I think it's more because Tyr and Mars were both worshipped as gods of war and law, while Thor and Hercules were both big buff gods famous for beating people up a lot lol
You know, their skin tones are so ashen I thought Ares and Athena were supposed to be dead-body gray as opposed to black. Maybe I'm just lucky and so whatever misguided controversy that spawned passed by!
I thought it was just to add more expression to the art on this rather modern take on ancient greek mythology. The only character where i acknowleded the change was eurydice but i didn't think much of it as the game already takes lots of liberties from the source material. To me this was more of a sit-com/anime/drama version of the classics - but gameified, like when they make comedy versions of grim fairytales or make modern versions of shakespear material.
Careful George will hear you, i think he wants to think of them as full on blek.
I never gave too much of a thought to skin color because it's obviously a very modernised retelling instead of a literal interpretation of the myth. In a game where the son of Hades says 'mate" to everyone he comes across and there's a maid medusa, someone's skin color should not be a point of concern.
I figured it was in reference to their black ceramic style.
I'm fully in agreement with what has been said above me. Personally, I only realized Athena was black after I saw an article mention it. They're all such great characters, so very well written and every single voice actor has done an incredible job; who cares about the skin?
"My fellow americans."
...B-but I'm german...
* cries in Dutch *
"Citizens of America...
...
...
...and citizens of the world."
@@Reubel In the end, he just says "my fellow americans" though. That's what OP is referencing.
@@PsychOsmosis Oh, I know.
I was just adding a (somewhat modified) quote from one of Georges fellow americans, one Barack Obama (more precisely: some of the opening lines from mr. former president of the US of A:s 2009 Nobel peace prize acceptance speech), to be funny. (I.e. to lightly poke fun at the America First-attitude that both men showcased with their respective wording. This, the poking that is, is, after all, the chief national sport over here in Europe-land :D ).
Not anymore, welcome fellow American. You can pick up your gun and deisel truck at your leisure.
The way I’ve dealt with existentialism is to remember that there’ll be bad times, but spring always comes. The play might be the same, but an actor gives his best every night to enrich other people’s lives.
Seeing the deep dive youve been making of how deeply the ancient worlds framework still is present only makes me wish for more imaginative fiction and even a reality where that same level of progression could have been experienced by other cultures with vastly different points of reference (incans, aztec, sub saharan africa)
Drrrrr your da reel racism cuz um
@@EmeraldLavigne i dont understand, but im curious to hear what your perspective is on the topic though
@@EmeraldLavigne i reread it and I think i got it 👍👌🖖
The Ceasar section I disagree with being all about gods. He was essentially painting a PR Picture to those back in Rome that the peoples of Gaul were just like us. This was being done because as we all know Ceasar spent give or take a decade marching around Gaul and slowly forming it into a new province of the Empire. When he called gods mercury and venus he was looking at what gods they had and converted them across. So the Gaulic people never had a Mercury but would have had a god kinda sorta similar. Since we have no actual evidence as to what these people believed and because Gaul itself waant unified in even a tiny way its been argued and id agree that actually alll the different parts may have had all their own versions of all the gods that did their own wee thing. I adore ancient history and by mentioning the bauld adulterous whore himself you more or less made me write this.
Something that needs to be said about Hades is how excellent the quality of the game was even during Early Access. There were placeholder phantoms for characters whose designs were not yet decided or complete, but the game, the story, and the incredible themes of all the Gods and Goddesses present were already solid. The update schedule and the content that came with it was something to genuinely look forward to, whenever you finally hit the ceiling of what the game had to offer at the time. It honestly made the whole game more of a journey, rather than an endless Game as a Service disguised as an "Early Access," that so many companies seem to at least try to maintain. The roadmap of Hades has a clear, beginning, middle and end, which is a goddamn miracle in this industry these days.
Supergiant is a stellar developer with a golden pedigree, at this point, and while I'm sure they're all looking forward to taking a break and their time to come up with their next project, I will most assuredly be here when it's ready.
I'm just praying someone like MS doesn't buy them up but I don't think they'd ever say yes or anything.
@@amilyester I think the winning strategy with that is to have everyone in the company agree to say yes, take the money and then leave to make a new company with said money. You get MS's money, they get the IP they want to drive to ruin, you keep your ability to make your art. Only the name changes really. Mind you, I imagine MS has a lot of BS setup to avoid that exact scenario but it doesn't mean I don't wish it could be so.
So, what you're saying/getting at; is that the ancient greek world was literally a giant collage of "why are we here? Just to suffer??"
That's not the ancient Greek world view, but it appears to be George's at the moment of writing.
@@Zenju__ . . . yeah, that's a mood if i ever did feel one
@@Zenju__ well, it is 2020. Most of us can probably relate
Philosophers were basically celebrities in ancient Greece, as such the the Greek culture cannot be defined by a single philosophy. That being said the nature, and value of suffering is a fundamental subset of philosophy.
Stoicism was a popular Greek philosophy to deal with suffering, Hedonism is another.
No, it's George's projection lol
Zagreus also fit another Camus quote : "T rebel, therefore I exist"
Another on-brand Greek history analysis from George
follow those passions king!
"To keep going, we must imagine ourselves happy" - George Weidman, 2020
how deep
Weidman for President!
We must become lotus eaters.
wonder when he'll start wearing coats and smoke an unhealthy amount of cigarettes
I realized 3 minutes in this game was by supergiant and bought it immediately. No idea how I didn't hear they were making a new game!
You should check the NoClip's docu-series on how they developed the game, here on YT
It came out in 2018 as an Epic exclusive, it only hit Steam Early Access in December 2019.
Now, it is finally finished and I'm finding it hard to get back into the game. It is a great game but it is now dull after 323 hours.
So there's an interesting tangential theme I noticed after beating the main story of Hades and progressing the relationships with all the characters through conversations and gifts. Through hard work and perseverance, you can change things for the better. In the case of Hades, you're usually fixing peoples relationships. So many characters seem consigned to their fate, firmly believing things can't change or that it isn't worth changing. It takes Zagreus talking to people on either side of the relationship (and fighting through the underworld to get there) for things to change. You can't ever change what happened and what people have experienced, but things can change for the better if both sides are willing to work for it. I can count at least seven relationships in the game where this is a thing.
Whether or not this is true in real life is up for debate, but it's definitely something I noticed in the game.
One thing that is sure about that in relation to real life: if no effort is made to change it for the better, it won't do so on it's own.
I knew he'd be on this, he's such a mark for Greece
Your video's have a kind of magic to them that makes me want to play every game you feature
Thanks for the vid. Always great.
They're supposed to look black?
I honestly thought they were designed to look like carved stone.
Like special god stone or something.
Lol George is reading too far in to it
You know that english teacher that thought every cigar pen and curtain had a hidden meaning?
I got that vibe from Athena too, it didn't even register to me that she was "black" I was just like "ooh, she's got stoney skin!"
With Athena maybe, but dionysis and ares both have immistakebly dark brown skin
Was afraid to watch this for fear of spoilers. But dang I'm glad I watched it anyway. Zero spoilers, a ton of fascinating background on the myths and culture that Hades is riffing on instead. Now I'm even more excited to play this game. This was super interesting. Super Bunnyhop history lessons are the best history lessons.
George, just wanted to say how much I love your content. Always been a huge fan.
Cant watch this fully because i havent fully completed the story, but now im motivated to so i can watch more of your content. Thanks for the boost
Hey man, just thought I'd let you know that I've been watching your videos for like, almost 7 years now and I just wanna say thanks for putting out consistently quality content. I truly hope your channel blows up and you get the recognition you deserve.
I watched just a couple minutes of this video on its release and decided I wanted to try the game out first.
After nearly two months of playing nothing but Hades and loving every second of it I think I can finally finish this video. Thanks George.
Thanks for the video, quality content as usual!
Can’t wait to come back and watch this once I finally escape.
Have you not heard? "There is no escape."
@@policesquad nice try, HADES
Blizzic good vids man
If it makes you feel better, it doesn't spoil anything you wouldn't know about after a few hours
That history degree really paying off
All your videos are so very interesting! Love the Camus quote, if you haven't I recommend most of his books, in France we often read them in schools. They are a bit grim but deeply interesting and well written!
I just started playing this game and I didn’t expect to like this much. There’s so much effort put into it and you can’t tell by watching footage of the game, you need to play it for at least an hour to start to see it. I have been waiting for more people to make videosbon it because its influence in youtube is limited atm.
Put the ad in the middle maybe? i got chills at your ending line about imagining ourselves happy and i was hoping to sit and wallow in my own self-reflection for a brief moment but before the music had even shifted I was being sold a product. I get that that's youtube, make that money son, but there's gotta be a better place to put these sponsorships. You're making great art my friend, keep it up.
looking through the catalogue and archive on /v/, 99% of the threads are overwhelmingly positive. where is this "controversy" supposed to have taken place?
I know there were more complainers on twitter, but this game has had such a positive reception that they were drowned out. Same with on /v/
@@dumbiepatch Makes sense. Twitter thrives off polarization and breeds all kinds of insanity, because with the character limit and the way the interface works it's practically impossible to offer an effective rebuttal to slogans, paroles and standardized political talking points. Imo its discourse is not representative of anyone other than "people who spend too much time on twitter".
I wish we would just stop paying attention to it.
@@dumbiepatch Thats like making a 15 minute video complaining about how much trash there is in the trash bin.
Well there are lots of comments here: mention a character with anything other than snow white skin in a video game and suddenly they come running apparently
Why would you still go on /v/? Boards culture died long ago, it's reddit town now
This is a amazing video. thank you.
Amazing work as always George. Ancient history is so fascinating. Especially when you realize how much of it shaped the modern world.
Gosh dang you do good work
Great topic, thank you George!
SuperBunnyhop videos that include real history are by far my favourites.
Athena and Ares' coloration seemed to evoke the dark tones used in Greek pottery and so forth. Eurydice scans more as a black-coded character to me, and she's half a tree.
Honestly, yeah. There isn't any real racial coding with the Olympians at all. And I think Eurydice only has so much coding with her because she's kinda anachronistic compared to everyone else besides maybe Zag, so it's easier to read those kind of elements into her.
Good to hear your voice again, man.
Damn, now I gotta play this before watching
This gave me so much more to think about regarding these old “classical” bits of history that nobody bothered to tell me during school
I've not heard a single complaint about black Gods in the game at all.
I didn't even notice it, nor did I care, it's a good game, that's all that matters.
It was probably a primer since the latest adaptation of Troy had a mostly black cast and Greeks where furious at that cultural imperialism by the people who made it
@@ZontarDow Which adaptation? Total War?
@@policesquad It's this one I reckon "Troy: Fall of a City" (3.8/10 on IMDB)
@@ZontarDow >cultural imperialism
Is this the replacement for "Cultural Marxism" because now everyone knows it's a meaningless buzzword made for people still stuck in the 2015 gamergate mind prison.
In this case the "blackwashing" is bound up in so much subjectivism that George's statements preachiness gets diluted to nothing.
As for the show? Just don't watch it and stop going on 4chan.
@@icyjiub2228 "...a meaningless buzzword made for people still stuck in the 2015 gamergate mind."
Is this projection?
Great commentary, really makes me want to try out the game.
It's bizarre. About 10 minutes ago I just realized I hadn't seen a video of yours show up in my notifications in forever, wondering if you were even still around. And I found out my notifications were set to 'Personalized', whatever that means, and changed it. And voila, minutes later.
I had a simular problem. I thought the channel was dead. I last tunned in at the beginning of the year.
ah yes, "personalized" in the sense that youtube decides what you should be notified for. that's some funny newspeak.
Best rouguelite ever. Supergiant have outdone themselves.
While i dont dislike you talking about greek mythology and existensialism, it seems that it has nothing to do with the game.
Found the idiot
@@oplinger Glad to know you found yourself.
@@oplinger That's uncalled for.
He can never actually escape hell and the boulder can never be pushed up the hill, but we can still find meaning in trying. That's the point of mentioning existentialism in the vid, or interpreting it in the game, as George relates it to his own experiences.
You are quite correct, other than the bit about how the gods are depicted, the video careens off into exploring the actual myths rather than the game's story and themes.
Still a good video but you could take Hades out of it completely and almost nothing would change.
As someone who also went on a long crazy bike tour, you convinced me play Death Stranding (which I adored). As someone who is legit getting a Myth of Sisyphus tattoo... You've convinced me to play Hades.
Nice vid georgy!
Great video, m8! Hang in there
Really cool to see you channel your reading and current history fascination into these videos. This is a great overview of greek culture! (From someone with a degree in classics here)
Ton’s of luck to have a big budget game about the greek bronze age release shortly before this one, so you could get this all out in chronological order. Good stuff!
How's that degree serving you
@@buttholesurfer1266 really terribly. Don’t make the same mistake
@@12kwh ha no surprises here
I just realized that the war they were talking about during the game was the Trojan war
Can that be right? The war is ongoing from what I remember from the dialogue (unless I skimmed over it too fast), and Achilles fought and died in that war. Based on dialogue with him (and the fact that he trained Zagreus) he’s been in the underworld for a long time, so the Trojan War has been long over.
Achilles is in the underworld and what is time really in the underworld? He could be there for 10000 years or 10 seconds for all we know.
@St. Justice I do remember hearing that the Trojan war was a long one but don’t quote me on that one
ilikecookies230 ooo yeah that’s right, makes sense now
They also explicitly state that Achilles in game is the hero of the Trojan War.
They state that if you talk to Achilles enough that other characters or gods comment on you talking to him.
Or using the spear enough
I missed you, George!
Dammit, I'm having trouble beating a run and I'm gonna have to go do that right now to watch your video
Oi CZcams this is like my favorite channel why didn’t you tell me this video came out
Wow. What an impressive quote “we must imagine ourselves happy”! Who coined it? Was it you, Bunnyhop? That’s cool.
Albert Camus on his Essay named "The Myth of Sisyphus". Great read, highly recommend it if you're at all interested in philosophy.
Nice one, George.
Good job
The Smithsonian article mentions that 3/4 of the hand prints were probably female and that the method used to determine this had a 60% accuracy. This doesn't actually mean that they were _painted_ by women, just that the hands depicted were 3/4 x 0.6 female. Your way of phrasing it is disingenuous.
Never let facts get in the way of a narrative. It's the CZcams way!
Entire video is like that. He imagined whole Athena black debacle just to make himself look good afterwards.
another great deep dive well beyond the game. Not knowing what insights George brings is all the more the reason to watch.
Here in Greece we have a saying for when things are going or have gone to shit, which roughly translates 'Zeus is fucking again'. For example:
-2020 sucks, worst year ever
-Yeah, Zeus is fucking again
Watchin a cheeky new Supper Bunny Op video during me lunch break noice innit
Thank you gorg
I dunno if this was the intention but at 5:15 this style of pottery depicted men as black and women as white, pretty often. Not a race thing
Also on a different tangent I always found it awesome that there are elephants mentioned in the Iliad when the Ethiopians arrive
Maybe men would usually be more tanned than women due to women staying inside more often
Z @@PirateArr
Today is a good day
The rabbit man uploads once more
Boy, I caught it early this time.
That's what she said...about COVID.
jsyk george you are the greatest content creator on youtube
Well done. Thanks for tieing it all together
You don't need to even explain why a couple of the gods have darker complexions. It's all stylized artistic expression. The designers made what they felt looked good for the design, and thats all.
And yet some people get mad from simply seeing black people in things
@@WickedKnightAlbel Raping ancient culture to push BLM agenda is a pathetic way to present your case. USA boys are out of controls
robert nomok Molding previous systems and culture to make it fit current times is how culture changes.
Oh no I started a culture war
@@gaddag1477 Culture of different nature that you changed to push agenda? I smell hypocrisy considering whining about cultural apropriation same crowd like to do.
I never thought of greek mythology as proto existentialism but that makes perfect sense and it is fucking genius. Excellent piece.
It's a rephrasing of Camus' famous argument
I love this video, and the turn of your interest to Greek Mythology.
I think you missed a chance to mention Orpheus in your essay. If I'm not mistaken, Orpheus was the God of Poetry and Songs to the Greeks, although several accounts said that he existed in the flesh (with Plato saying otherwise). Orpheus could be a predecessor to Sisyphus and Achilles. His misery, his own eternal recurrence, is written in a subtle way, as if to coincide with Eurydice's scant appearance in the myth's earlier form (her only spoken dialouge is a goodbye to Orpheus as she's taken back into the Underworld).
In Persona 3 Portable, his story is retold. This time, he, as the persona of the main character, looks forward to Nyx, the mother of Thanatos, Hypnos, and Erebus; Death, Sleep, and Darkness respectively.
The MC reunites with the Eurydice with Nyx, as death is associated with women and mothers more than men, as the state before life in this world is the womb, the warm Chaos of a universe. Dying to Nyx is a return to the embrace of his love. This might sound menacing, but the game builds it as a positive thing. Despite its exploitative imagery of suicide the game delivers an endearing and hopeful message of trying to live to the fullest even so.
Also. I'd like to hear your opinion on Nietzche's The Birth of Tragedy. Similar to the sentiment of your essay, Nietszche assumed in that book that the Greeks had struck a balance between the beauty of the world and the tragedy of living in it; what makes the world tragic is its beauty. Thus a poetics that affirms suffering at the face of an indifferent world. How the gods stood more like impersonable forces of nature despite resembling man's form. This is echoed by Albert Camus in one of his essays (Summer on Algiers? I can't remember).
I almost missed this video because the thumbnail had a black background that kinda blends with dark mode and only found it by chance in my recommendeds because of the font you always use.
Hey did you research all this incredibly interesting info about greek mythology before or after you played this game? Also is this a good game for binding of Isaac fans?
Oh and as someone who’s read the Odyssey, is the Iliad or any other ancient greek texts worth reading?
The Illiad is awesome. It reads like an e-sport battle report.
He's been on a Greek mythology trip for a while now, I _think_ it started back when he was playing Assassin's Creed Odyssey with a copy of the actual Odyssey to read during his playthrough.
You should definitely read the Iliad since the Oddyssey is essentially a sequel to it and both the Greeks and Roman's held the Iliad in higher regard.
I have to watch your videos several times to catch all the little ... insights you drop. Thank you for what you do.
But isn't existentialism about a lack of meaning in the world, that there's no primordial chaos and no primordial goodness?
That would be existential nihilism, which is a distinct philosophy. To quote Wikipedia, "Existentialism is a form of philosophical enquiry that explores the nature of existence by emphasizing experience of the human subject"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existentialism
You're missing a step, since there is no meaning in the world you need to find one for yourself, and that's a good thing
@@BaneDane_JB I know it very well, it's just not relevant to my point.
EDIT: Actually, it proves my point, if the meaning is already chaos, then you wouldn't need to find a meaning for yourself.
@@Msoulwing I should really read Camus.
Brilliant as ever, thank you for this
Another fun Mnemnon fact: he may be a father of Thor according to Snorri Sturluson. That Thor.
You're so smart George
Actually we don't know why Ovid was banished by Augustus. All we have to go on are some vague hints in his later poems that the cause involved "carmen et error," i.e. both something in one of his poems that gave offense AND something else Ovid did that pissed off Augustus
Ha, joke's on you Bunnyman, I don't have lockdown depression, I was depressed way before the quarantine started.
We will make it through. Right.
11:48 "So wait, is Greek Theology just Proto-Existentialism?" "It always was"
Also, I know a ton of this is more the historical themes of struggle, self-realization and possibly improvement, if not simply self-acceptance of fate, very loosely analagous to the Rogue-like nature of Hades, but I kinda wanna know what George actually thought about the game itself
I assume he likes it. But I too would have liked at least some mention of how he felt the game deals with these themes and if it's good in that regard. Again, I assume it is.
With a 98% positive score on Steam (take a look at the *noclip* documentary on the game's creation), I'm pretty sure almost everybody loves this game, George included.
Looking at the gameplay, he’s maxed out at least 2 relics, and has ‘hiscovered’ patroclus’ name, so from than we can reasonably deduce that he’s played this game for a bit at least
Probably will have to listen to the podcast to find out. Dad and Sons has definitely become the mainline George content since this channel gets updated for what if feels like once every 2 months
I legitimately didn't even register that Athena was portrayed as black in this game until you drew my attention to it.
Normally I'd say that's a mark against my observational skills, but I've been playing this thing since it's first days in Early Access. I think a more accurate answer is that I just didn't care what the colour of the gods' skins are. They're gods, they can assume any visage they choose, why not?
I really dig this essay, man. Probably one of the most constructive ways to get things off your chest I've ever seen and heard. It must have been cathartic to write, record, and release this. Good on you, brother.
If you wanna keep talking about Mythology, talk about the La-Mulana games! Those are good :D
damn ol' Gorg has been reading Camus, I'm impressed
Ah yes the most esoteric and obscure writer too ever live. Herodotus too, George is one smart cookie
So I guess he liked the game?
i saw the colour choice as just that. heck, the whole game seems to run on jojo-colors.
What do you know of the gods, stranger?
I wasn’t expecting a Camus reference. But hot damn did it hit me like a boulder going back down a hill.
You bastard, you genius.
Is there a place where you share your text sources, too? Really interested in the whole mythology-culture thing myself.
Great essay as always, though i would have loved at least one passing remark thrown at my boy Typhon , the OG ancient greek kaiju that forced most of the olympians to flee to Egypt and to disguise themselves as animals to escape his fury ( and thus - the egyptians would have depicted the greek gods as the animals they were disguised as)
Brilliant video. Love me some well researched cultural discussion even if its only tangential to games as such. And love me some ancient Greek mythology. Now to find the time to buy+play Hades already.
Man, 2016 really is the gift that just keeps on giving
There has been literally no controversy that Athena and Ares have black skin, I'm not sure where you got that from. They're gods; they can look however they wish.
BTW, they have dark skin but their facial features are very caucasian. It's like they are a photo negative or carved of dark stone. It makes them more otherworldly
Literally the only reason why 4chan isn't bitching up a storm is because they're too busy jerking off to the characters.
It's the usual nonsense from racist Gamers TM with Concerns about Historical Accuracy.
Your channel name is “Super Bunnyhop”. Are you able to bunnyhop? (Quake, Counter-Strike, etc.) And of course, rocket jumping. Air-strafing. Beautiful things.