Ian Hislop and Carol Vorderman explain why the Tories lost the election | LBC
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- Private Eye's Ian Hislop and LBC presenter Carol Vorderman give their theories on the Conservative Party's loss at the recent General Election.
They discuss key factors that led to the party's defeat, including 'policy mistakes and campaign errors'. A major point of discussion was the loss of several senior Tories' seats, such as Leader of the House of Commons Penny Mordant.
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I'm still baffled that Braverman actually got back in! I mean, who is sad and deluded enough to look at that witch, and see every nasty thing she's done, and think "yep, I want _HER_ representing me in Parliament for the next 4 years!"
Some people see cruelty as strength, and compassion as weakness.🤦♂️
Erm maybe a social conservative ? Dont worry there's plenty of cultural Marxists to go around too
If only the Lib Dems and Greens had stood aside and asked voters to back Labour, she'd have been ousted 😢
Because she is more right wing than reform
She’s madder than a box of frogs. It’s like listening to an Evil villain speech. Who thinks yes I will work for an evil villain there is no way they will stab me in the back and leave me for dead when things go south. 😂
I can’t help but think the Tories copied parts of the US republican handbook, their mistake was to think we are all idiots.
to be fair, brexit told them that at least half of you were.
CLearly that's what they did and also Farage too, lie, lie and lie again. 👍
@@thehellyousay too true, I remember thinking why did so many people believe a man who does not know the business end of a comb! It was a close vote and I suspect a re vote would result in rejoining , that’s if the EU would accept us?
I’ve been saying it for ages. UK conservatives see how much more they can exploit the public when look over to the US. They basically want the uk to be the 51st state
@@thehellyousay😂😂
Braverman is a real danger to working people, the NHS and the Economy.
I suspect that she is as big an asset to the Tories as Corbyn was to Labour.
She repels so many people that the Tories will not get back in while the likes of Braverman are at the top of the party.
Same goes for Farage - he's has his personality cult but most people have him sussed.
@mark...why.....sorry to force you into some thinking..hope it's not too much of a shock.
Yes mark please do explain the dangers she poses in specific terms with a cognizant argument😐
@@davidatkinson5858
If you have to ask that question you lack sufficient intellectual capacity to grasp the answer.
{:o:O:}
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 where you gone Mr "sufficient intellectual capacity"? Why don't you have to back up your nonsensical claims with facts and coherent logic like the rest of humanity had to since the beginning of recorded history?....😄
The Tories WERE successful. They got richer we got poorer, they just did not think the serfs would rise up. Sunak has had a 120 million pound pay rise this last year according to the rich list, he has also managed to increase levels of child poverty in the U.K. beyond the already utterly unforgivable 30% during his office. These figures are government figures. He knows this and never cared enough to do something.
We should be extremely concerned about how people are being persuaded to vote, not just for voting Tory but also RefUK. It's not about why people are voting for one party or another, rather it's about what people are thinking and believing, or not thinking, and how they’re informed.
@George So you 'd prefer they were thinking what you are thinking...sounds very 1984.
@@chatham43 That's a fair point, thank you, Chatham, but not my point.
Here's a novel thought....maybe they feel like that about you😱 maybe they have legitimate reasons for not completely agreeing with everything you believe🤔. Maybe that's what a healthy functioning democracy looks like...with everybody being entitled to form their own opinions however they please!!🙄
I’m very very concerned what’s in the minds of people who vote Labour. How are they been persuaded to vote Labour, what are the people thinking. 😂
@@jemmajames6719 Hey, I found the Nigeldrone
Most of the Tories I've seen, don't have a clue why they lost. They think lurching to the hard right is the answer.
Most of them don't have a background in economics. Need to go back to school, but that won't stop them.
Those Tories are worried about Reform taking their voters - if they wanna run away from the electable centre, who are we to stop them?
Well they certainly didn't lose due to being right wing did they? This country was far more woke and had millions more immigrants here than when they started.
Despite that left and centre won.
They should absolutely do that for the next 10 years - keep them out for a while.
Watching Braverman and fellow headbanger Badenoch have such a public fight is, I must admit is highly amusing and long may it continue!😂😂
Mad on mad
@supernoodles So what exactly is a headbanger old boy?
@@chatham43 You need to ask old chap?
@supernoodles And you need to answer sunshine.
They should continue until they cancel each other out.
"This should be worth hearing"...
(the sound of thousands of furious double-taps as we slip over her victory speech)
OMG! I thought I was the only one.
@@ShaunieDale amen brother 😅
Same here! It’s like you were watching me. 😂
It went on…and on…and on…. And on…
TIL a new YT function😅
Turns out even those in her own party are turning against her.
That’s what Tories do under pressure. No concept of loyalty.
Sometimes you just want to ask people, "you know the 'right' in right wing doesn't mean 'correct'?"
@DW And the Labour in Labour doesn't mean Labour.
@@chatham43 nice try
but they do - I've seen many stating that they are not Hard Right, Just Right
7:09 A reminder that Reform got a grand total of 5 seats - the media needs to bring it down a notch.
They got 14% of the vote as well. More than Lib Dem (12%), who got 11 times more seats than Reform. The point I think they were making is that the first past the post method is not exactly the most balanced one.
Yeah, it should be replaced with a more democratic system of voting that reflect what people actually vote for.@quoth7330
@@DevilSurvivor69 I'd rather keep all the Reform voters rounded up in Clackton tbh.
Though by doing that, they are just playing into his hands. If this happens ie he is restricted in a public voice he will use that as an excuse as to why he can't stop or start anything by way of public policy. NO put him on TV have a fact checker on hand, it would be nice if all press and TV had this for all parties but we get what we get. This is how the UK voted we have to work around it not just blocking the right-wing parties out.
@redlight Don't play dumb.
More power to Carol because she is determined to have the extremely corrupt Tories held to account and she has the clout and courage to do it.
She was not so politically vocal when younger and busy on telly. It must be the old owl effect 😂
@@pinkpanther7030 What's with your negative bias?
@@pinkpanther7030maybe, but the politics and the general situation were not as effed up as they are now.
When things get worse, there are people who wont just stand about and say "oh well..." They start saying things and doing stuff.
She said that the PPE scandal is what got her back and made her want to speak out against the ex govt. before Johnson they could hide what they were doing better but he broke them and angered many.
Her plastic surgeon should be held to account too
Why is it okay that Reform is both a party and a limited company? 😅
Grift
Imagine Nige comes to power- the government will be formally traded on the stock market. What could possibly go wrong
Farridge can use it to funnel dividends from profits, Directors account, bonuses, salaries. He can hire and sack people.
@@pastyman001 yep exactly.
@@pastyman001 Hence my question, it's ridiculous x]
I have a lot of time for Carol, she is rich, doesnt need to work and yet she is working hard for what she thinks is right.
Is she working hard for that? She's just using a platform she's been gifted to express her views...
And she is still hot.
Reach that platform? Seems to me she's built that platform.
@peterholden3672 Clearly 'gifted'. Can you add up as fast as she can?
Did you mean ... Forget it...
The Tories are 🤡's. No real policy prescriptions, just propaganda and anger!
So you're not angry?
@@chatham43disappointed, a bit like your parents were when yo
Farage might have something interesting to say for some people. But what he says should automatically be fact checked! You might find a lot of it will not stand up to scrutiny!
Try none lol
Same with labour
@gd Well that obviously goes for any politician. So what's your point?
Facts have nothing to do with politics. It’s a fantasy to think they do.
The fact is that Reform and Farage are playing a long game and illegal immigration is still their most potent weapon… only if the current government can make progress on that can they blunt the Farage rhetoric.
He tells true facts on the immigration numbers. 30,000 per year up until the last 20 years or so and it has now grown to around 700,000 net migration per year. Those stats are from the ONS, which is where he appears to get his info from. Unless you know differently?
Carol Voderman is magnificent... Carol, J'taime
Love Carol Vorderman and Ian Hislop, holding truth to power.
No holding people they disagree with to account. Different. They'll be nothing but fawning over the left in power now.
Have you realised they are both wealthy Lefties, and will always get better treatment than the normal Joe Bloggs. For them money does grow on trees, but not for us hard working people struggling to keep up with costs!
@martin You need to change your medication.
Nasty unfunny Heslop and mad activist Vorderman....lovely.
🥹😅😂🤣🥲 She is entitled!!!
They lost because of 14 years of mismanagement
And corruption
As a LibDem member, I want to say that every LD voter in Fareham that didn’t vote Labour should be ashamed of themselves! They let Cruella back in, whereas if you’d voted tactically she would be out. What a pity.
Tactical voting worked well in other areas, including mine, but there were a few where it didn't. Hope the constituency learns from this.
People can use their vote as they wish. I managed to vote Labour and actually get a Labour MP for the first time in my 37 years of voting and I'm happy to vote tactically but how people vote is their business.
@@TheIdlesurfer of course it is. But I bet most LD voters would have wished to see the back of Cruella, but they didn’t use their vote to achieve that, while they could have. That’s the pity.
In my constituency, where I voted Labour for the first time in my life, the sitting Conservative MP lost his seat by 152 votes. That’s the power of democracy.
@@memarkiamThe fact that you have to vote tactically shows your democracy is far from ideal
@@arjan2777 well yes, I take your point. I’ve wanted (some form of) PR for decades. But we have to work within the system we have. It can still work, if used wisely.
How about giving the Greens the same publicity as Farage as they've also got four MPs, seats they gained without the totally undeserved publicly Farage got.
Bear in mind Farage was getting a big social media push from people with the same writing style as the Russian troll farm serfs.
@@paulgibbon5991 No surprise there, Farage is Putins apologist, he says Putin was justified in his scorched earth barbaric invasion of Ukraine.
Suella is insincere to the point of nausea!
No explanation needed: 45 years of thatcherite tory nastiness and abusing their positions. That's all.
@theone So we won't be hearing from you ever again? And we thank you for that charitable act.
@@chatham43 Don't worry, plenty more baiting from me to come. 😁😁
Two of my favourite people to watch and listen to.
Proper tactical voting and Braverman would have been out
this is why the country is the way it is, people keep wanting a clown to run the country. they then complain why the uk is in such a dire?
Hopefully we can keep them out as well
The election of Braverman is a classic example of how a tactical voting arrangement between the LibDems and Labour really could’ve worked, but sadly never happened.
It did in Scotland. The snp got slaughtered by Lab and libs. Lab and con didn't even try in Mid Dunbartonshire and the snp got thumped
Braverman, not only a fair minded woman but also compassionate and a great beauty, sorry I said “not only”, I meant “Not at all”!
The problem with any voting system is that it is voluntary… voting should be seen as a civic duty, people can always make an informal vote but everyone should accept the obligation to vote.
That’s the only way to get a true reflection of the will of the people.
They didn't' lose they gave up .... Lack of leadership, vision, quality, integrity, vision, conviction, etc ....
As a Conservative Party voter, I am aghast that such a ghastly specimen as Suella Braverman was re-elected.
I don’t think Farage ever has something interesting to say.
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Schadenfreude is German not French.
I assume it was a joke. Too basic a thing to genuinely get wrong, surely.
@@Matt1yu I doubt it. I think it was just a gaff.
It is a joke on the state of the recent French elections!
@@Thought_Processing_ dude, it was clealry a joke
I thought it was Japanese as in Bonjewer Monsewer?😂
if Labour and the Lib Dems engaged in tactical voting here, they could have unseated Cruella.
Tactical voting did work, brilliant,
Vorders is such a legend. Fair play to her.
I thought her predecessor Priti Patel was a monster but compared Braverman she seems almost Human.
So where do you fit into the human chain?
And it appears these two robots (Patel and Braverman) are currently the frontrunners to succeed Sunak-bot as Conservative leader!
After Cameron-bot 2000, the factory must keep churning out updates!
Many consider them murderers. As there handling of the NHS has cost lives
The insanity of her being a reprisentation of a constituent sickens me
So does your spelling. Where will it all end?
Who knows why the Tories lost? They’ve only been in power for 14 years, bringing the UK to its knees, culminating in the disastrous handling of Brexit. It’s a total mystery.
Could have been done with Bravermann if Labour and Lib Dem’s didn’t split the vote
Marr: this will be worth hearing.
It wasn't.
😄👍
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Why is this a catastrophe? Tories are the party of the rich, they represent a tiny minority.
Lots of love to Carol we need her with Power in power bless her❤😮😅😊
Anyone else get major "umbridge" vibes from that little smirk she gave at the podium?
LD and Lab split votes did it for her. Sad.
She seems very full of herself.
Braverman is a dreadful individual !!
It weirded me out how Braverman refused to even stand with the other candidates on the stage at the count, just lurked on the end ready for a swift exit, not wanting to rub shoulders with the common people any more than she needs to
Expect Farage to do what he did as a EMP, make lots of noise, be annoying and do no work.
Voted Lib Dems in this seat or Labour & you got Doberman. Seats like this should be Tactical. She won by about 5,000. The People of Fareham that voted for her then you should be ashamed of yourselves.
If Labour and Libdems had voted together Braverman would have gone.
It was "disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" c character invented by the local papers for the letters page. But i never thought I'd live to see RTW anything other than true blue
Lets go Vorders
I can't say I heard Ian Hislop say anything about why the Tories lost, apart from saying that they should seek the Lib Dem vote. But how do you get the votes of a party that don't stand for anything, and why would you seek the votes of a party who's brand name is the opposite of yours ? I think Carol was right about Conservatives sense of entitlement, they thought they could get elected on certain promises, completely fail to deliver those promises, and still get reelected.
Braverman? What a damning indictment of the soul of our country
Suela, as a 64 year old Brit, she shames my country !!
Fareham = Facists...that is why she got back in
It’s tactical voting. That’s why the Lib Dem’s have done well.
She's flattered some grass that one! 😂
They did not deserve to get back in.....anybody could see that.
So funny to hear conservative say “center right” I think labour have nicely occupied that space.
Shame there supposed to be a working class left wing party
Labour exactly the same as Conservatives put the tax up every time they have been in power a disaster
Someone, between you and me, isn't concentrating. And it's not me.
Sadly the only left english party left is the Greens.
There is not enough room for that in a two party system. Also too easy for the Tories to turn that into a boogie man
Its actually exhasting to constantly hear the mistakes of the older generations being blamed on the younger ones. Take some responsibility or move over so the younger generation can start there life.
Poor tactical voting, split Lib Dem Labour vote.
“Blessed” heavens above!!
The only number that matters with FPTP is MP's, not vote share. I am baffled why these seasoned journalists do not see that. If the leader is arrogant he will not be more arrogant if he won 45% of the vote compared to 35% if the MP's are the same number. It was interesting to see Rachel Johnson trying to bring in the doubt on the vote share and Labour support.
What is so desperately sad is that these highly intelligent people just do not understand that politics is no longer fit for purpose. These discussions are about the intrigue of politics and NOTHING to do about running the country.
Politics is the process how any community decides who gets what. That means that exposing and dealing with the shenanigans of the power hungry is part of the process. Until one secures power, one cannot run it. So, choosing who will run the country comes before being able to run it. Separating the two is naive. In 2016 and 2019, the country fell for the Get Brexit Done shtick, which was nothing to do with running the country better. It was a load of rich people trying to get their way. And they won. And look at the result. Just getting rid of that bunch is a relief. Now, we have a government explicitly trying to serve the best interests of the country. In that, they've already begun to succeed.
Very proud of you. Miss vorderman!❤
Ian H - "no one ever felt edgy voting Lib Dem". I raise you - Liz Truss...
Except she split the Labour vote with her self-importance. She was entitled enough to create the issue.
Both Suella B, and Priti Patel have embraced immigration policies that would have barred their parents from coming to Britain back in the day.
Carol can explain whatever she wants to me.
hey behave :-) i regard ma'am as a cool auntie with respect :-)
@pent And that certainly makes sense.
And me bruv lol
"Schadenfreude, as the french would put it!" this tells you everything you need to know about this island.
The lost because they are appalling, disgusting people who are unworthy?
So why is braverman swanning about in the US
Holy, didn't realize Streeting won by such a tiny margin.
The Gaza effect. Gone by next month!
@@ArtyFactual_Intelligence not if he sorts out junior doctors
All MP's are a danger to the working person. They will never do anything for the working person.
i feel sick and I don't even live in the UK anymore.
Why?
@@humblescribe8522 the public KNEW what Braverman is like, yet they STILL voted for her.
The fact that braverman kept her seat is DEEPLY disturbing.
I think we've just found our first genuine 'no go zone', and it's Hampshire?
I think most people who are working want to be paid well in their job, and hope if they do it well enough they will advance in that job gaining greater respect with greater pay.
I think most MPs know if they do their job well and try hard the public will vote for them, they will advance and their pay will increase.
The conservatives lost basic desires of need, they didn't care about the people and they didn't need the wage. They were rich out of touch and only cared for their own individual advancement and keeping their party in power at any cost. In other words, arrogant scoundrels and conmen.
Arrogance Private education period
Horrible human
The Mercers are a disgrace. They behaved like Trumpian Karens.
They lost because they were told to lose. Wakey wakey. If you still think that it was "incompetence" - then where have you been?
"schadenfreude as the French would put it" that had to be a deliberate mistake surely?
Who told her that a roll in politics was her best chance of a worthwhile life, and how long did it take her to realise ,they were wrong,
Faiza Shaheen was treated disgustingly by Starmer, going back on all his praise of her & therefore lost the seat!
Faiza was perfect candidate, had huge support from constituents, lived all her life in constituency, yet Starmer thought he had right to over ride locals & replace Faiza with an Israel lobbyist!
How can somebody with 17000 and not even a majority of their constituency, be a leader of a National Party
Mercers wife is a total Karen!
Tv pundits on how Labour won:
(Shows a diagram connected by red string)
Average people on how Labour won:
I voted for Labour
"who do you blame for this catastrophe" is the question about vordermans frankenstein body?
Wrong topic
Tories LOST because Voters didn’t vote for them. You should be talking about why voters didn’t vote for Tories, NOT about howTories should have tried harder to win…political analysis by people who have no ideas how to do it!🇺🇸
It's a fairly knowledgeable panel. But yes, turnout was a factor. 60%, second-lowest on record. Conservatives are usually reliable voters .. wonder if Republican turnout dips in November?
Schadenfreude (=being happy about the suffering of others) is of course german not french
What a shame to see Andrew Marr who has become a pale shadow of the journalist he used to be🤔☹️😢
She's the one who should be ashamed splitting the vote allowing IDF back in ....
She will fade into a nobody..
What are you talking about?
IDS?
@@janeking9540 I was behaving badly in f£&&kn Smith 😀
Lib Dem’s should have tactically voted Labour!!
"lose so bad"? BADLY is the word. Come on, LBC, this is not America.
They lost because they didn't say what they were going to do.
Who voted for braverman
Retired stockbrokers and those with one foot in the grave.
Cretins.
Cruel people
Savages
Fascists
Who defines the election result as a catastrophy?