Impossible, or just a lot of work? Bending both ways on a single rail
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2023
- Full walk through of the process of laying out and bending full length 2 x 4 x .120 frame rails that get both hard way and easy way bends on the same tube.
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Lol... I don't know about everyone else, but being a Machinist, Welder, Fitter, Fabricator, Millwright, and owning multiple businesses... this is my kind of porn my friend... lol, you're definitely a " hitter "!
KUDO'S to your work ethics, and perfectly transparent path during this segment, coupled with exact conveyance verbally... well done sir! In my 63 years on this earth... gentlemen such as yourself, have been a pleasure to have spent my time with... Thank you, Seth
I always wondered just exactly how one of these machines was set up, and I'll freely admit that I was under the impression that the machine did almost all the setup, in a CNC or robotic / automated type fashion.
I have a new respect for just how much goes into a pair of these frame rails.. Thanks!
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Ditto !😉
I would guess that newer cnc bending machines have self calibration capability. I bet they cost a small fortune too.
@@Nigel2Zoom The machine He's using in His vids costs a fortune..
I once got a quote for a mandrel bender to do strictly exhaust tubing, and was quoted $180,000 ( with some tooling) in the late 90’s.. I don't even want to ask what His costs in 2023 money.
This is what I was asking for! Awesome 🎉🎉
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I swear you could probably do this in you're sleep. Amazing how you can do all this while talking to the camera, looking totally at ease and making both frame rails .......in under 50 minutes. 🤣
Beautiful craftsmanship. Ya gained a sub! 👍
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At the beginning, I was imagining “hard way / easy way”, as a difference in technique, not the tube orientation.
Ain’t nuthin’ “easy”, about any of this.
Short of having another bender setup for the alternate orientation, this is a labor intensive and experience / skill dependent job.
You’ve given me a increased appreciation for this work, as, my own experience has been with round tubing.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching. I dont want another bender currently, even though it would make life much easier. At 100k tooled out the door and taking up a 20x10 foot print as well as swing clearance is just a lot of extra money and space
@@cornfieldcustoms I was thinking that was a very expensive piece of equipment, just the large chunks of machined steel ain't cheap.
Going to take a while just to pay for it's self so I guess you need to be working it a lot?
How does the mandrel 'work'? I imagine it's some sort of sections to allow it to flex even though it looks solid with only 3 moveable support pieces in video?
Have you done a vid on the parts and pieces?
aye. this.
Master right here!
Recently ran across your page. You sir are a true craftsman. Youve created some awesome content.
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Great video. Very cool. Certianly explains the reasoning behind the time and fee for the die changes.
Thanks for watching. Its a lot of extra work to change them out in the middle of a set of rails
Man... It's a ton of work to get all the bends right. I totally understand about the setup for any given operation. I go through it to machine parts... The setup takes an hour or more and the machining often takes just a few minutes... Everyone thinks the setup time doesn't cost anything! Thanks for showing all the detail. It's interesting to see.
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Same thing for diagnostics. I was a pro mechanic from about 1980 to 2002. I basically got in when we were still rebuilding every accessory (starters, generators, alternators, carburetors, ect.) through the transition to where we simply replaced almost all of that and more as it became less-and-less cost effective to rebuild components. The same is true to the transition from points ignition through early electronic ignition, through OBD and the very leading edge of OBDII, and all of that.
The bottom line is shop owners and managers did not want to pay for diagnosis times, and neither did customers. They were used to old Earl down at the gas station being able to listen to a car, or do a short test drive, tell them exactly what was wrong, throw a few parts at the problem, and have the owner of the vehicle drive away happy.
They were also used to making enough money rebuilding an alternator, for instance, that it covered the diagnosis. In fact, that was a big selling point. Even though the book times usually had the diagnostic time broken out separately (though not always) from the repair time, shops almost always said "hey, the diagnostic time is x, and the R&R time is x; the rebuild time is x, but we'll only charge you the R&R and the rebuild time." Hard to make a good living when your boss is giving away part of your labor.
As always a great showing of your work and a learning experience for me. I watched your work for years.
Thanks John
Thanks for the long term support
Breaking down that set up reminds me of my apprenticeship as it would be me who had to take a job out of the vice and do a rush job then set and clock the previous job back up lol
Nice demo yet again.
Been wanting this breakdown for awhile. Fascinating stuff
Wow very impressive. You explain everything very well I really appreciate that.
I've been around metal fab most off my 81 years ,and you furthered my education considerably, Thank you. (I usually use Imperial)
I’m looking forward to getting started on my old mustang and now I know who to have bend my frame rails
Just let me know
Outstanding lesson! I enjoy your thoughtful style and awesome results. Appreciate u!
I appreciate that!
Mandrel bends have always been a mystery to me about haw they are formed . Really awesome video , so much more work than I thought involved . Thank you sir for walking us through the entire process . Great , Great video .
Glad you enjoyed it
Really cool to see what it takes for the master to make perfect tubes. I'm exhausted just sitting here watching you move all that heavy iron around. I can only imagine how many tubes I would bend the wrong way 😂😂
It happens there is definitely a learning curve
Thank you. Much more involved than I imagined.
Thanks, most people just dont know what it takes. Thats why i wanted to do a solid video on the process
That takes a lot of concentration to get it right first time, every time. I know from experience putting multiple bends in a length of copper pipe, how easy it is to mess up. Huge respect.
Incredible fabrication from a one man operation! Great videos and lessons! Thanks for sharing... 😁👍🔥
Thank you
As I have 45 years experience bending tube and pipe did you extra waste on the ends to allow for rear clamping as it looks like it's fairly short.so much easier with a mandrill tube bender thanx do everything by hand different methods of going about bending after bending for along time you look at a bend and just know how to do it bending is a art form I like your style
A whole new appreciation. Craftsman at it finest... Thank you
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Had no idea there was this much manual labor and set up time involved in bending these rails with the bender. Great video.
yea a lot of work goes into set up vs a round bender
it's the skills that pay the bills - hats off mike , thank you for sharing your knowledge
I appreciate that, thanks for watching !
Holy cow! This is an amazing process. The part I’m a little confused about is how the mandrel works. I understand why it’s needed but how it works is unclear. Thanks, Mike, for another awesome video!
Thank you for this most informative and interesting walk-through. You are definitely the master of this machine, clued into its various peculiarities. Cheers from Michael. Australia.
I have wondered for decades how this was done. My curiosity is now assuaged. If I only had the years left to design and build a custom vehicle and enjoy.
Thanks for checking out the channel and videos
This was an awesome video.
Very informative and helpful to understand what it really takes to do a professional job.
I’ve always wondered how the machine bends those rails
Morrison’s frame rails are done this Way
Learn something every day. Great video.
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The set-up reminds me of setting up drop forge dies, not as many parts but it still could take a day to set-up. drop forge dies are shimmed from left to right and front to back. So once you have what looks like it should work, you run a couple of samples and readjust from there. the shimming comes down to 5 thousands. And some of these dies we worked weighed as much as 1000 pounds a set or more.
When I started watching I thought the "easy" way was how I could do it in my backyard. I see none of it is "easy". Bending with the 2" section in the radius is less hard than the bending the 4" section, but not easy!
So much to consider to get this correct. Amazing to watch, great video!
I watched a previous video where you change the tooling! really is an invaluable tool but I love how you are so adept at using it! Cannot find a company like yours in the UK. Wish I could.
Very informative and indept ...reckon these type of videos are great... good time frame not too long or short either...
Appreciated
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching
Fascinating! I'm just now seeing these, looks like a ton of work. Pretty awesome machine!
Beautiful work and shop , thanks 😎
Good video enjoy hearing you think out loud concerning your options and long term planning.
When you see something that looks like it was easy to make but then you dwell on it and you slowly realise just how overwhelmingly brilliant it is and hiw much work it took to get to thst point.
Great Work and Very Informative. Cheers from George in Adelaide.
I noticed this CZcams video and I've been watching it play 16 years I set up and ran and Ethan and Lennon CNC pipe bender I'm a dumbass I didn't program it but I could set it up and run it but everyone who worked on the machine said we did the most tightest tolerances in the world these are coriolis meters they measure fluid the tolerances I've been to a plus or minus 3/10 of a degree and one of the jobs was one tenth of a degree everyone use are meters to check theirs and the company just threw that whole product line in the trash and I lost my job and the funny part is these meet is the government makes anyone who makes fluids use these meters and now they're not as accurate then now that we don't make them no more but it's cool seeing somebody still using a bender keep up the good work
incredible machine,never seen before for me. thx Mark
Very impressive, good heavy work well executed.Congrats.
I used to work in a fabrication shop, sometimes in assembly and sometimes in receiving. I knew what hard way and easy way was, but I’ve never seen it done! Very interesting, thank you!
Very impressed thanks for showing us!
This is some cosmic stuff.
Kinda equivalent to Frank Zappa citing Steve Vai for playing "impossible guitar parts".
I'm a fairly advanced metal fabricator and this blows my mind. Amazing.
I just subscribed. WOW!
Thanks i appreciate the view and subscription. If your into metal fabrication make sure to check out some of my other videos, especially the metal shaping ones
Great job. You earned my subscription. Take care.
you my friend are an absolute legend keep up the stella work cheers from down under
Thanks for your great videos! very nicely done!
Thanks for watching!
Just found your site. Very impressed. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank for sharing, a lot of work goes into what you do.
Really appreciate watching the quality of your work! Thanks
Thanks i appreciate you watching
Very meticulous job, and impeccably explained! 👏👏👏
Thanks
very cool process beats flat medal and welding by far, great content. cheers !!
That machine is pretty rad! your videos are packed full of info.
Thanks glad you like them!
Very interesting video, quite the process for making the bends for the frame rails.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you! Always wondered about large piece bending. I have only done small stuff.
Nice machine, never seen before!
Thanx
Thanks as always for the great content 👍
That's a ton of work to bend up a pair of rails, but less work than welding up mitre cut pieces. 😎
Total pro ! Amazing machine, operator and a well made video. Instructions are one thing, years of experience is another. You my friend, would make an awesome instructor !
That you for sharing your sick ass machine. I never knew I needed one till now.
This is the first time I watched your channel, wow your such a great teacher & you make the effort to make it both informative & entertaining.
Me well I have bent SS exhausts using a pipe bender all my change of direction I drew on the floor with chalk. The tube I welded a plate on 1 end filled it with sand which I compressed using a pneumatics chisel & a plug leaving about 1/8 th of a inch gap & plated the other end thus tricking the tube into things lt was a solid piece of bar.
I bet you have the right piece of kit to do this, me well I did mine it my shed .
Kiwi Rod
Absolutely amazing!
My mind just got bent both ways. 😆 Outstanding! 👊
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beautiful work! 👍
That is nice work, a lot of it having to reset up the machine 2 times, but it looks like it was well worth it.
Yea its a lot of work but not much of an option if you want it done both ways on the same rail
This was a lot of work. I had asked a ballpark figure thru IG once, and your answer seemed surprisingly reasonable...now, even moreso. I don't have the money (or the right project) yet, but I have so many ideas! lol
Nice work. Your voice is very clear. U have worked with machine a little and you know what it can do.
Keep up the good work.
outstanding video amazing detail
Thank You!!!!!!
Very good showing ever step, T.Y. for a very informative video my friend, a brand new watcher!!! I will be back, your pal!!!
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Very interesting video thank you.
*Where would our World be without Hydraulics? I was a Machinist for BNSF RR for about 25 years. This tear down reminds me an awful lot of tearing down the Heigansheit Wheel Lathe I operated for a few years. Twice a year the hydraulics had to be torn down and rebuilt. Such a PITA. Took about a week, if we didn't break anything in the process.*
That's what they call job security. My grandpa worked for BN then BNSF for about 40 yrs.
awesome video!! you've got a nice way of explaining the process. subscribed
I have learnt a lot from this video, thanks😄
Impressive excellent video Great work !
Thank you very much!
If I was building a car right now this would be the way to go . I was a machinist dealing with metal you get to know what's good and what isn't . Dealing with an old frame or welded patch work is not a good idea , this would be the only way to go . Great job .
Impressive! Now I know what to look for!
Really cool stuff - so interesting! A classic YT recommendation ‘accident’ brought me here, and it’s quite some way to the side of my normal interests but I am glad I stayed for the video!
Fascinating video
Channel is just amazing
Great video!
Thanks!
Wow that was impressive love your work bro
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Material Extension in Bending: When a frame rail is bent, the material on the outside of the bend stretches, while the material on the inside of the bend compresses. This causes the metal's grain structure to change.
Impact on Hardness: This stretching can reduce the hardness and strength of the metal in the bent area. The degree of impact depends on the material properties and the extent of the bend.
Thanks for sharing
It’s good that people can see how much work is involved, and yet this is when everything goes well. 👍😀👍
What a gr8 video thanks for sharing
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Now i understand mandrel bending, i worked for many years fabricating with mandrel bent stock, so now i know.
Very informative.
Appreciate your content 👌
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WOW! I cant imagine how many machines, mandrels and tubing have been compromised because someone didn't set things up properly.
Fascinating!!
Done like a pro! Great that you can show the real amount of effort that is behind seemingly 'simple' items! Respect!
🤔Imagine if three orders all came at once- you could do three sets of 'hard' ways, then three sets of 'easy' ways, then the final three hard ways.
Idea: Mount a clipboard on your machine to hold your paperwork.
A clip board gets in the way, i had one on it before. Its nice when it have more than one frame to do that required tooling changes it just doesnt happen to often
What a s**tload of work and paying attention you put into these frame rails. I consider that an artform and understand the reason this kind of custom part can be expensive. GREAT work.
Have only seen round tube mandrel bending......a lot more work in bending square and rectangular tubing....nice video
Whoever did the math on the layout program is the “heavy lifter” on the accuracy. Try rounding numbers to 1/100’s and you will find out why things won’t work accurately.
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Excellent tutorial for this bending machine, I realy love this kind of work, it needs skill and power to do it, way better then a automatic computer steered machine (my own opninion)
Mad respect for you and the process you have built to make these frame rails with precision and care for your customers. The Engineer in me is dieing to automate and improve the efficiency of your change-overs tho... haha I know those machines are not cheap, but if you grow in buisness getting a second machine for the other way would be the first step to improve your efficiency. For now an add on system to hold and swap the dies out would be a great help, with the addition of some battery powered impact guns to run the screws down (final tightening by hand of course). Good video of the process. I sub'd for more of this! God Bless.
I was thinking the same thing about the 2nd machine, but that only applies for 2x4 tubing so if you went to another size tube, you would still need to change out the dies. A permanent gantry system for that bay rather than the rolling A frame gantry would be nice.
Nice work
Thanks
Excellent....thank you.
Tanks for watching
The same basis as Ben Pearson's pipedream software from the '90s. My dad ran an exhaust shop and made millions off that program. At our height we had nine Meineke locations in NY. I went on to make stainless setups for aircraft.
Wow you do it all, how did you learn and get so many tools, and such a young guy!
I just figure it all out as i go, and constantly re invest into the shop in equipment to grow
Awesome!