If I could design my dream Gravel bike, it would have these features. --50mm of suspension travel front and rear --1x13 drivetrain with a 9-54 600% cassette --frame and fork clearance for up to 29x2.4 (700x 61mm) tires but also capable of running 45mm tires --Gravel specific tires in the 2.2-2.4 width --internal width i30-32mm aero rims --aero frame --a lot like an XC bike but with less travel, drop bars, and drop bar Gravel bike geometry
@@o0giri0o Yes, I think so. The hard part is that Gravel bike break levers and shifters don't play nice with Mountain bike brake levers and shifters. Therefore, the conversion can be pricey and tricky. As an alternative, narrowing the flat bars the XC bike comes with is an option. I ride a 110/120mm travel Epic Evo with 700x47 Pathfinder Pro Gravel tires and the handlebar cut narrow to 610mm(24in). When the tires wear out, I'll switch to the faster rolling 29x2.35 Thunder Burt tires. I I don't really need that much travel but I got a great deal on the bike. An XC bike with 100/100mm travel or less would probably be better. An 80/100mm travel Supercaliber or Epic World Cup would probably be better.
Well done. Very, very interesting. On my daily beater, I'm a 3x guy with a sturdy chain, toe clips, and heavy duty frame. Other than that, I try to keep my bikes as light as possible. Oh, yeah, rim brakes, baby! And gel seat covers. I like doing what works for me whether it fits the trends or not. Do a lot of my own work too. The guy who said he and other builders pushed for something....that's exactly what's wrong with the industry. I don't mind someone trying to convince me or sell me on something, but don't push, don't condescending. I love cnc machining, 3d printing titanium, 3d printing bike seats, trying to develop a viable non-pneumatic tire. So I like things moving forward too. I've 3d printed lugs for myself and it's fun to experiment. All the best.
Thanks for everyone's opinions on tech advancements, fun to hear all the thoughts and nobody is wrong, of course. And it is great to see all the options at all the prices, just as lots of long-ago tech is still serving us well and for me 3x for life. And nothing wrong with bar ends, either. And thanks to all the BMX brands in the '70s that sprung up to give Sting-Ray riders something even better to ride and race, with the mountain bike industry following in their footsteps and if gravel bikes are like '90s mountain bikes, well, that's not a bad thing, lots of those bikes were tons of fun and it wasn't all that long ago, still the Space Age and all. 😀
I have to agree that disc brakes were the most important innovation of the last 10 years... Not only have they allowed wider tires for better grip through corners but not worrying about braking integrity on long descents or steep technical sections of singletrack makes the ride more enjoyable.
I had never heard of single speed cyclocross, but I like its ethos as described by Paul around the 7 minute mark. Funnily, I liked the takes from the older folks that were interviewed.
I would add the availability of production of bikes for smaller companies. The prediction that only a few, pardon the pun, giant companies would take over and the small and medium firms would disappear has not happened. In fact some of the bigger companies are in trouble. Made to order steel and aluminum bikes have made it possible for innovations to continue. And to design what people are looking for not just what can sell by the boatload. Related to this would be direct to consumer companies. While this has added another challenge to the LBS it has made products more available to customers. And opened up markets to boutique companies and framebuilders. Like Scarab who can grow by selling around the world not just in Columbia.
Maybe there is a market for a basic rim brake bike that the buyer can do all the work themselves. aluminum Rims and metal frame. There should be lots of attachment points for water bottles, etc. Outside cable routing. Quick release wheels and a front derailleur. Square taper bottom bracket Dynamo hubs. Capable of somewhat wide tires - 40 mm or so Priced to sell.
@@daniellarson3068 Room for variety from the plastic aero and light weight road bikes and their aluminum clones. Some brands don't even sell proper road bikes anymore.
"Clipless pedals". 😂 That guy gets it. He, and the guy that mentioned group rides. I don't care how awesome electronic shifting is....y'all can keep it.
As an old cyclist, I am 60 years old. To me the real game changers, people like to throw those buzz words. But game changers are ideas or inventions that basically changed the way we do or look at things. Isaac Newton's ideas are game changers. Albert Einstein's ideas are game changers. Charles Darwin's ideas are game changers. As for cycling these are my picks of ideas, technologies that truly changed it. First, Carbon, you just have to look around. Second, Geometry, since I started riding around 1974, geometry and its effects on how you ride has truly changed how we ride. Third, disk brakes, disk brakes ushered a revolution in wheel building, and how you ride. Fourth, electronic shifting, it is just faster and more precise. Last, massive improvements in ebike technology, from batteries to motor. Look at the, Pinion MGU Unit, that is a true game changer in ebike technology.
Negative on the chain dunking. With a new chain, I strip the factory grease with something like an orange degreaser, then apply a wax lube such as Allied Cycle Works GRAX or Squirt to every link. Perfection.
Is tires that has air inside and can be easily get puncture is the ultimate innovation for tires? For all these decades vehicle manufacturers focus only on engine, suspension etc. i hope someone can innovate a puncture proof tires that can operate like an air tires
I have a TON more content in tbe hopper from MADE. Will post as I find time between editing and my regular j-o-b. Thank you... PS I will likely attend Sea Otter 2025 after skipping 2024.
I get the 3D printing. But with that, the costs should be LOWER not higher. They are charging for the novelty of 3D printing. It’s waaaaaay more expensive to have a run of 1 or 3 things /ideas machined or milled. But having a robot do it, I’m all for it but just reduce the prices
Bigger tires improve handling.. yes..on more agressive terrain, but then so do the flatbars when contreolling those bigger tires on said terrain.. so..... back to hardtail mountain bikes with some minor tweaks. Com'on folks, don't try to pull the wool over our eyes.
@@GravelCyclist Yes :-) we've all perhaps seen e-bikes with belt drive. Lovely IMHO . What would be TRULY innovative is to get rid of belts and chains altogether and go direct drive (shaft drive like BMW does with its motorbikes) . . . unfortunately too cumbersome on bicycles (for now) but with a bit of ingenuity a carbon fibre drive shaft driven through a pinion gear at the bottom bracket to a miniature variable transmission at the rear hub . . . MAYBE :-) A single speed would be simple but maybe too restrictive unless e-assisted Like your video and subscribed ! Cheers from Montreal :-)
Why do we humans need bikes? At the rate things are developing robotic bikes are the future. No rider needed! Sit at home and watch your favorite bike win the Giro and Tour!
Game changing bike tech & these clowns say aero tubing / group rides / UDH / U shaped spokes / single speed cx bikes...... jeez.... they should have been politicians.
If I could design my dream Gravel bike, it would have these features.
--50mm of suspension travel front and rear
--1x13 drivetrain with a 9-54 600% cassette
--frame and fork clearance for up to 29x2.4 (700x 61mm) tires but also capable of running 45mm tires
--Gravel specific tires in the 2.2-2.4 width
--internal width i30-32mm aero rims
--aero frame
--a lot like an XC bike but with less travel, drop bars, and drop bar Gravel bike geometry
Love it! Surprised to see so many 2025 gravel bikes that are still designed to max out with 44-47ish tires.
Is a race xc bike with drop bars a good alternative today?
@@o0giri0o Yes, I think so. The hard part is that Gravel bike break levers and shifters don't play nice with Mountain bike brake levers and shifters. Therefore, the conversion can be pricey and tricky. As an alternative, narrowing the flat bars the XC bike comes with is an option.
I ride a 110/120mm travel Epic Evo with 700x47 Pathfinder Pro Gravel tires and the handlebar cut narrow to 610mm(24in). When the tires wear out, I'll switch to the faster rolling 29x2.35 Thunder Burt tires. I I don't really need that much travel but I got a great deal on the bike. An XC bike with 100/100mm travel or less would probably be better. An 80/100mm travel Supercaliber or Epic World Cup would probably be better.
“Suspension on gravel bikes”. We are definitely coming full circle!
Ah yes, the cycle we live in
The cycle of life, haha.
@@GravelCyclist hahaha
Micro suspension
Thankfully not…those old 80’s hardtails were crap having owned one back in the day.
Well done. Very, very interesting. On my daily beater,
I'm a 3x guy with a sturdy chain, toe clips, and heavy duty frame. Other than that, I try to keep my bikes as light as possible. Oh, yeah, rim brakes, baby! And gel seat covers. I like doing what works for me whether it fits the trends or not. Do a lot of my own work too.
The guy who said he and other builders pushed for something....that's exactly what's wrong with the industry. I don't mind someone trying to convince me or sell me on something, but don't push, don't condescending.
I love cnc machining, 3d printing titanium, 3d printing bike seats, trying to develop a viable non-pneumatic tire. So I like things moving forward too. I've 3d printed lugs for myself and it's fun to experiment.
All the best.
Thanks for chiming in!
GPS - turn by turn navigation and ability to create and share routes with others.
100%. The day the Garmin 705 launched, the end of writing out cue sheets!
Great snapshot of opinions and developments...more please.
Thanks for everyone's opinions on tech advancements, fun to hear all the thoughts and nobody is wrong, of course. And it is great to see all the options at all the prices, just as lots of long-ago tech is still serving us well and for me 3x for life. And nothing wrong with bar ends, either. And thanks to all the BMX brands in the '70s that sprung up to give Sting-Ray riders something even better to ride and race, with the mountain bike industry following in their footsteps and if gravel bikes are like '90s mountain bikes, well, that's not a bad thing, lots of those bikes were tons of fun and it wasn't all that long ago, still the Space Age and all. 😀
Group rides! What a rad answer.
I have to agree that disc brakes were the most important innovation of the last 10 years... Not only have they allowed wider tires for better grip through corners but not worrying about braking integrity on long descents or steep technical sections of singletrack makes the ride more enjoyable.
Kinda funny to hear so many people describe my 1990s mt bike as cutting edge. :D
Haha
Probably has to be wider tires on road style bikes. Followed by one by drivetrains on road bikes, then wireless shifting, then disc brakes.
Good to see you there! Loved the trp/classified booth
Likewise, and thank you. I posted a reel of the TRP Classified system, detailed video coming soon along with a ton of content!
Good job, nice to hear from the people doing
Shoutout to (Rob) English Bikes! His builds are amazing. I hope someday to owe that man a lot of money.
Video from Rob coming soon. His TT bike was unbelievable.
Nice to see Fat Chance is still going.. the last one I saw was a "Yo Eddy" in New Zealand 1993 .
I still have my original 89. Always good to here he still going.
Right. I was surprised to hear that name.
+1 to JOM and GC news! Awesome coverage. Thank you mate!
Either or mech attatchment....genius!!!
Well the stuff we make of course!
What’s the difference between a mountain bike and a gravel bike? About £4000.
I had never heard of single speed cyclocross, but I like its ethos as described by Paul around the 7 minute mark. Funnily, I liked the takes from the older folks that were interviewed.
Do a web search for "single speed cyclocross" you may be surprised :>)
I would add the availability of production of bikes for smaller companies. The prediction that only a few, pardon the pun, giant companies would take over and the small and medium firms would disappear has not happened. In fact some of the bigger companies are in trouble. Made to order steel and aluminum bikes have made it possible for innovations to continue. And to design what people are looking for not just what can sell by the boatload.
Related to this would be direct to consumer companies. While this has added another challenge to the LBS it has made products more available to customers. And opened up markets to boutique companies and framebuilders. Like Scarab who can grow by selling around the world not just in Columbia.
Maybe there is a market for a basic rim brake bike that the buyer can do all the work themselves. aluminum Rims and metal frame. There should be lots of attachment points for water bottles, etc. Outside cable routing. Quick release wheels and a front derailleur. Square taper bottom bracket Dynamo hubs. Capable of somewhat wide tires - 40 mm or so Priced to sell.
@@daniellarson3068 Room for variety from the plastic aero and light weight road bikes and their aluminum clones. Some brands don't even sell proper road bikes anymore.
Nice looking forward to the next one, thanks for sharing
Silca that's what it is.
A pitch. Otherwise known as a marketing technique.
From a marketing standpoint known as line stretching
Quite a few flat bar 1x gravelish bikes in the background. Nice to see.. underdeveloped category. I poo pood them for ages but they’re awesome
A lot of videos coming soon...
"Clipless pedals". 😂 That guy gets it. He, and the guy that mentioned group rides.
I don't care how awesome electronic shifting is....y'all can keep it.
Lucky Larry may find electronic shifting to be unlucky.
Anyone know what that bell was on the Hunt bicycle stand at 2:03? It's under the out-front mount and looks a bit like a Knog Oi bell.
Might be a "CloseTheGap HideMyBell" ?
awesome feature 😎👍
Good to see Moots still around but they needs to update to modern Geometry.
Nice video. Thanks
As an old cyclist, I am 60 years old.
To me the real game changers, people like to throw those buzz words.
But game changers are ideas or inventions that basically changed the way we do or look at things.
Isaac Newton's ideas are game changers.
Albert Einstein's ideas are game changers.
Charles Darwin's ideas are game changers.
As for cycling these are my picks of ideas, technologies that truly changed it.
First, Carbon, you just have to look around.
Second, Geometry, since I started riding around 1974, geometry and its effects on how you ride has truly changed how we ride.
Third, disk brakes, disk brakes ushered a revolution in wheel building, and how you ride.
Fourth, electronic shifting, it is just faster and more precise.
Last, massive improvements in ebike technology, from batteries to motor.
Look at the, Pinion MGU Unit, that is a true game changer in ebike technology.
Thank you
Lots of interesting opinions.
JOM, do you bother with immersion waxing your chains? Not sure if it's really worth the trouble.
Negative on the chain dunking. With a new chain, I strip the factory grease with something like an orange degreaser, then apply a wax lube such as Allied Cycle Works GRAX or Squirt to every link. Perfection.
@@GravelCyclist Interesting, I also use the orange degreaser and Squirt.
Great video
Is tires that has air inside and can be easily get puncture is the ultimate innovation for tires? For all these decades vehicle manufacturers focus only on engine, suspension etc. i hope someone can innovate a puncture proof tires that can operate like an air tires
Thank you for sharing! I hope you are able to check out SEA OTTER 2025. Please show more?
I have a TON more content in tbe hopper from MADE. Will post as I find time between editing and my regular j-o-b. Thank you... PS I will likely attend Sea Otter 2025 after skipping 2024.
awesome features 😎👍
I hope we getting the only alphabetical listing of all who were at the show! 😃
Alphabetical listing coming soon, likely preceded by a few special bikes that really stood out
Good stuff. Subbed!
Thank you. A ton more content from MADE coming soon!
Almost as many opinions as people! And no wrong opinions.
I get the 3D printing. But with that, the costs should be LOWER not higher. They are charging for the novelty of 3D printing. It’s waaaaaay more expensive to have a run of 1 or 3 things /ideas machined or milled. But having a robot do it, I’m all for it but just reduce the prices
Have you investigated the cost of an industrial level 3D printer? The technology isn't cheap.
Fixie Gravel, Hell Yeah!
Madness! 😀
Bigger tires improve handling.. yes..on more agressive terrain, but then so do the flatbars when contreolling those bigger tires on said terrain.. so..... back to hardtail mountain bikes with some minor tweaks. Com'on folks, don't try to pull the wool over our eyes.
Bigger tires also improve handling and comfort on road too 🤷🏻♂️
You, sir, are a world traveler
Internet (e.g., Strava, Komoot, Zwift) and YT bike channels.
Good one, although no Strava for me.
2:52 convinced by a pitch? Uhh no thanks
Seems to me like 99% of the booths were bias to what they were selling! 😂
I think you mean booths.
Press Day Thursday?
Not this year, rather, setup day. First three hours of Friday were for media, and the first hour of each day following that.
REALLY neat stuff - but GAME change ? I think that we will be with two wheels, pedals and chains for another long while :-). Tongue in cheek guys :-)
Or belt drive... :)
@@GravelCyclist Yes :-) we've all perhaps seen e-bikes with belt drive. Lovely IMHO . What would be TRULY innovative is to get rid of belts and chains altogether and go direct drive (shaft drive like BMW does with its motorbikes) . . . unfortunately too cumbersome on bicycles (for now) but with a bit of ingenuity a carbon fibre drive shaft driven through a pinion gear at the bottom bracket to a miniature variable transmission at the rear hub . . . MAYBE :-) A single speed would be simple but maybe too restrictive unless e-assisted
Like your video and subscribed ! Cheers from Montreal :-)
More gear range with fewer gears simply means HUGE gaps between the gears you do have.
NO thanks!
Rock Lobster spreading the truth!
I have a video with Paul showing his bikes coming soon. This was a bonus question I asked many builders.
Why do we humans need bikes? At the rate things are developing robotic bikes are the future. No rider needed!
Sit at home and watch your favorite bike win the Giro and Tour!
You can tell who is really a cyclist and who is just a a guy who happens to work for a cycling company based on the answers lol
If the industry had more cold professionals the products would be nicer
I vote bringing back metal bikes. Let the Chinese keep their cheap carbon garbage.
Yep
Game changing bike tech & these clowns say aero tubing / group rides / UDH / U shaped spokes / single speed cx bikes...... jeez.... they should have been politicians.
6:55 My vote is for Paul! SSCX all the way.
and you’re at home with your junk in your hand watching this 😂