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  • @DanielGreeneReviews
    @DanielGreeneReviews  Před 4 lety +163

    What is your fantasy map tier ranking?

    • @Nasser851000
      @Nasser851000 Před 4 lety +15

      Believe it or not, there is actually a map for the first law trilogy. You're welcome ;) atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2018/09/17/a-map-of-joe-abercrombies-first-law-series/

    • @noneofyourbusiness3288
      @noneofyourbusiness3288 Před 4 lety

      @@Nasser851000 quite a nice map too.

    • @Erik-vf9yn
      @Erik-vf9yn Před 4 lety +1

      I only recently read Senlin Ascends (Tower of Babel map) And I've never looked back at a map that often. It might be simple, but I was still interested in it.
      Most of the time I don't really look back at maps, so there you have my fav, I guess. ;) Also, the first book of this series is awesome and to see where it left off, and looking at the reviews, it only gets better from there. ^^ I recommend it if you haven't read it.

    • @tracib.7725
      @tracib.7725 Před 4 lety +6

      I’m torn between WoT and ASOIAF.
      The maps that I reference to the most throughout a series rather than just at the beginning are the ones I love the most as they are integral to my understanding and enjoyment of the story.

    • @melleklaver8021
      @melleklaver8021 Před 4 lety

      You should have picked tal verrar as map for gentleman bastards. It looks a 100x cooler

  • @DeviRuto
    @DeviRuto Před 4 lety +1484

    Daniel: Mountains on the coast aren't common
    South America: Am I a joke to you?

  • @neilguenter7037
    @neilguenter7037 Před 4 lety +649

    Ok, you said something in the Mistborn Trilogy, that, as a geologist, I feel the need to correct. at 12:02, you state "Mountains on the coast isn't the most common thing... Yeah. It is. More common than mountains in the center. Plate Tectonics works in such a way that mountain building events happen on the edges of continental plates, not in the center. Think the Rocky Mountains, the Andes, the Australian coast... even the Appalachian Mountains used to be on the coast, but they are pretty old, so the eastern coast has sort of "filled in" from the sediment eroding off the older mountains.
    Ok, you might be thinking "But what about the Himalayas and the Alps... they aren't on the coast. Well, they were, but when Italy and Greece and Iran (all coastal mountainous lands) and India pushed their way north, they built mountains, that were coastal, until the coasts got lost to the mountain building event. Look up a lost ocean called the Tethys.
    Seriously re-look at the map of the world. Where are the mountains in Africa? They are coastal. The Atlas, The Drakensberg, these chains are coastal. Otherwise, they are volcanic. Kilimanjaro is reminiscent of Dragonmount, or Lonely Mountain. North America. South America. Australia. All coastal.
    Sorry for the rant.

    • @doctorlolchicken7478
      @doctorlolchicken7478 Před 4 lety +58

      Although I knew there were mountains on the coast I never realized until I read this that almost all mountains are on coasts and, where they are not, it is actually two coasts colliding. Good worldbuilding point.

    • @diepie5144
      @diepie5144 Před 4 lety +28

      don't apologize for a good point

    • @stevenmontoya7275
      @stevenmontoya7275 Před 3 lety +8

      I think you meant Sierra Nevada's and not Rocky Mountains as the Rocky Mountains go from New Mexico upwards through Canada with no large bodies of water other than rivers. I agree with everything else though, look at Hawaii and the Volcanoes in Alaska's North Western Coast

    • @LaPtaVerdad
      @LaPtaVerdad Před 3 lety +3

      Sir you deserved way more likes

    • @mott1992
      @mott1992 Před 3 lety +3

      Very educational! I'm gonna save this for some fun research/history later. Thanks!

  • @remove_marko
    @remove_marko Před 4 lety +1115

    Skyrim is just a kingdom. On a continent named Tamriel. On a planet named Nirn. You should have used the whole map, its amazing

    • @benofkvatch6585
      @benofkvatch6585 Před 4 lety +176

      In a solar system called mundus, in a universe called the aurbis or the arena.

    • @giantspiderproductions3356
      @giantspiderproductions3356 Před 4 lety +55

      It’s all a dream anyways so who cares?

    • @Haltboy
      @Haltboy Před 4 lety +9

      @@giantspiderproductions3356 wait no it isnt?

    • @benofkvatch6585
      @benofkvatch6585 Před 4 lety +69

      @@giantspiderproductions3356 Why would you not care just because its all in a dream? It's not real in the first place, it's a series of video games. The lore of it being a dream is just a way to explain what the Elder Scrolls really is, he ideas or "dreams" of people who have created and worked on the games.

    • @noxus7462
      @noxus7462 Před 4 lety +14

      TimeIsIllmatic The Elder Scrolls universe is a dream of the Godhead. In C0DA Vivec managed to become a new Godhead

  • @CapriSonne15
    @CapriSonne15 Před 3 lety +231

    "Wester coasts are unoriginal and try to copy middle earth"
    *me, looking at a map of europe*: HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMM

    • @hyugashikamaru3596
      @hyugashikamaru3596 Před 3 lety +15

      Exactly my thoughts! Pretty sure no one is thinking of middle earth when making their maps! XD

    • @Miestwin
      @Miestwin Před 2 lety +8

      If you look closely, you'll find that Europe has all the coasts. Westerm, eastern, northern, southern.
      So, even if you base your map on Europe, heaving only western coast on it, is pretty clishé.

    • @edgar7456
      @edgar7456 Před 2 lety +6

      @@Miestwin but Europe in itself is "big landmass in the east (Asia), big sea in the west (Atlantic Sea)"

    • @edgar7456
      @edgar7456 Před rokem

      @@n1ppe honestly, I draw fantasy maps and western coastlines are what feels natural to me but I haven't seen nor read any of Tolkien's work so I'm not sure that's it

    • @n1ppe
      @n1ppe Před rokem

      @@edgar7456 Tolkiens work is extremely influential so It's pretty obvious that it's the biggest influence here. You just can't deny that it has influenced authors. I personally find North-eastern coast more natural because it's at the top right and I'm right handed, so it's easie to draw the world

  • @alemalvi3805
    @alemalvi3805 Před 4 lety +181

    4:06
    The "big forests" are simply realistic, during the middle ages europe was covered in this stuff for something like 80%

    • @yourpalcal1412
      @yourpalcal1412 Před 3 lety +5

      There is actually more woodland now than there was in the middle ages, due to farming efficiency. The moors of England all used to be bronze age farmland.

    • @alemalvi3805
      @alemalvi3805 Před 3 lety +29

      @@yourpalcal1412 uhm no lmao, I hope you are joking cause till the late carolingian era most of central europe was literally a single big ass forest, and during the bronze age this was true for everything nord of the alps, populations there were still nomadic and only partially reliant on agriculture, and their crop fields were significantly smaller than classical era ones, and fewer, due to the really small population

    • @TileBitan
      @TileBitan Před 3 lety +19

      @@yourpalcal1412 u are wrong. Europe is massively deforestated mate, i know because i had to research a bit to edit the map of a mod (strategy game)

    • @yogatonga7529
      @yogatonga7529 Před 2 lety

      This is true for central Europe.

    • @MP_Indy
      @MP_Indy Před 9 měsíci

      Ya'll know he referenced fantasy maps multiple times talking about that right? He's also rating them on the story it tells of the land. That's why he was asking if it had a purpose.

  • @ButtslammerBob
    @ButtslammerBob Před 4 lety +442

    "Oblivion games"
    *angry gamer caterwauling*

    • @sernoddicusthegallant6986
      @sernoddicusthegallant6986 Před 4 lety +38

      *Hisses in Khajiit*

    • @ButtslammerBob
      @ButtslammerBob Před 4 lety +24

      @Homer Simpson I completely disagree. There's a swathe of interesting lore hidden in books and wikis and such. Like an omnipotent machine god that an entire race sacrificed themselves to, self-aware entities that have godlike powers because of their knowledge that they exist in a fictional reality, and a race of cat people with crippling drug addictions.

    • @sernoddicusthegallant6986
      @sernoddicusthegallant6986 Před 4 lety +2

      @Homer Simpson B0ss have you ever heard of warhammer fantasy?

    • @alessandrocoatti5186
      @alessandrocoatti5186 Před 4 lety +9

      @Homer Simpson yeah elves coming from a different timeline which then have to move in another continent and then create a whole different culture is clearly copied from roman history

    • @alessandrocoatti5186
      @alessandrocoatti5186 Před 4 lety

      @Homer Simpson ah yes, of course

  • @gattothcach
    @gattothcach Před 4 lety +269

    This is a Game of thrones TV map, where is Song of ice and fire map? The one that is much bigger

    • @ce666isa3
      @ce666isa3 Před 4 lety +1

      Is there a much bigger one...

    • @gattothcach
      @gattothcach Před 4 lety +39

      @@ce666isa3 this is the old map, George rr Martin later updated the map to include bigger essos and other continents.

    • @caseyh1934
      @caseyh1934 Před 4 lety +1

      There is an entire published map set

    • @THEPELADOMASTER
      @THEPELADOMASTER Před 4 lety +2

      @@ce666isa3 this is the official one that you can buy
      geoawesomeness.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Game-of-thrones-Geoawesomeness.jpg

    • @danthraxplague671
      @danthraxplague671 Před 4 lety +9

      I have the atlas of ice and fire and the Braavos city map is a true masterpiece

  • @kylewood2715
    @kylewood2715 Před 4 lety +149

    I’m guessing the West Coast map is so common because most of them are drawn by right-handed people. It’s just easier to see the development of your coastline if it is on the left side of the paper, when drawing with your right hand.

    • @headcanon6408
      @headcanon6408 Před 4 lety +9

      Kyle Wood and also cuz Middle Earth is a West coast map, that's probably a major reason

    • @userNEREMAR
      @userNEREMAR Před 3 lety +8

      Oh...
      OOOOOHHHHHHHHHH

    • @logancole5101
      @logancole5101 Před 2 lety +7

      I use my right hand when drawing maps and it's always eastern. I don't know why but my continents just end up being on the right hand side of the compass.

    • @rinkerd3575
      @rinkerd3575 Před 2 lety +19

      @@headcanon6408 probably because europe is west coasted...

    • @Real_MisterSir
      @Real_MisterSir Před rokem +1

      I'd rather say that most of them draw heavy inspiration from middle-age European culture and themes, and naturally Europe has the main body of ocean water to the west, and tales of sailing to the west span back as old as time. It's merely a matter of perspective, and from my experience the stories that aren't drawing thematic inspiration from classic Europe also feature more variety in their maps in comparison.

  • @g4fly4ever8
    @g4fly4ever8 Před 4 lety +226

    Why add the map of Skyrim and not the entire Tamriel

    • @Linkous12
      @Linkous12 Před 4 lety +25

      Or even Vvardenfell. Such an interesting area with the volcano and all.

    • @joemamajoastar8708
      @joemamajoastar8708 Před 4 lety

      Because he said countries or cities

    • @joemamajoastar8708
      @joemamajoastar8708 Před 4 lety

      @Sungindra Setiawan yes true about those world's you mentioned but what are you talking about borders for?

    • @joemamajoastar8708
      @joemamajoastar8708 Před 4 lety +1

      @Sungindra Setiawan it's not a paradox to say that he says in his own video that he's only doing cities and countries, if he follows that rule or not is irrelevant to my comment that wasn't a defense, it wasn't even an opinion. You are literally arguing with someone not having an argument bud.

    • @mollof7893
      @mollof7893 Před 4 lety +1

      Or all of Nirn!

  • @hannahchatterley5329
    @hannahchatterley5329 Před 4 lety +55

    Random note from a geology major, but mountains along a coast are actually quite common. They are caused by subduction zones between oceanic and continental plates, and are almost always volcanic in nature. An example of this is the ring of fire along the US west coast all the way around the pacific.

  • @darkwing_don2391
    @darkwing_don2391 Před 4 lety +86

    My thoughts on west coast maps:
    1) Due to wanting to cram in as much detail as possible, rectangular continents are the most useful shape in general (if not the most original)
    2) West coast maps are probably easier to draw for right-handed people.
    3) Tolkien

    • @redhippopotamus9144
      @redhippopotamus9144 Před 4 lety +16

      It's also based on Europe

    • @darkwing_don2391
      @darkwing_don2391 Před 4 lety +1

      @@redhippopotamus9144 Also true.

    • @veruthas
      @veruthas Před 4 lety +3

      Wonder if its also because English is written left to right.

    • @natureterp
      @natureterp Před 4 lety +2

      I never knew this was an issue, but now that I know about it here's my initial theory.
      Some of the major discoveries and campaigns in our world have been east to west. Genghis Khan, the Europeans conquering North and South America. I think the point of Fantasy is to make things different than our world's history.
      If I wrote a novel or made a fantasy map, I would definitely go west to east - or be accused of my characters following the route of Lewis and Clark or something similar.
      I do like his idea of going north/south, south/north though! That does seem more rare. And another map critic mentioned that most fantasy maps take place in the northern hemisphere - where it's colder as you go north. I like his idea of making a map/story in the southern hemisphere - change things up a bit =)
      .

    • @monnaranzoti732
      @monnaranzoti732 Před 3 lety +2

      ​@@natureterp About the major campaigns being east to west, well, Alexander conquests were west to east. Same with the Persian Empire, the Russian Empire, and the Abbasid Caliphate. And The Roman Empire, Umayyad Califate, Ottoman Empire, Byzantine, and the British went both ways. I believe these things were pretty mixed. And there are the Mesoamerican Empires, that normally went south/north or vice-versa.
      It indeed would be cool to see more fantasy settings in the Southern Hemisphere!

  • @coolintruddle
    @coolintruddle Před 4 lety +241

    Good list. However; "Mountains on the coast like that is just not the most common thing." Erm...almost the entirety of the British Columbia coastline is mountain. Japan has a large, mountainous coast. And then there is the Andes. How could you forget about Peru like that? When you look at it, the majority of the west coast of South and North America are mountains.

    • @slightlyallthetime
      @slightlyallthetime Před 4 lety +3

      Erm...

    • @VicRibeiro777
      @VicRibeiro777 Před 4 lety +7

      Shhh... Let him like his fantasy maps...
      We are not talking serious geography here ;)
      Let's not confuse him with the facts.

    • @coolintruddle
      @coolintruddle Před 4 lety +5

      @@VicRibeiro777 I love all the maps. Maps are great. I was just being needlessly precise.

    • @godglock55
      @godglock55 Před 4 lety +18

      Yeah, I thought this was a really weird comment as well. Mountains frequently form near coastlines because of fault lines.

    • @chikindinnr
      @chikindinnr Před 4 lety +2

      And new zealand and several other countries in the world lol

  • @jasonb111222
    @jasonb111222 Před 4 lety +220

    Inheritance map: ah typical west-coast map, C-tier. WOT map: ah typical west coast map with fantasy tropes, A-tier hm

    • @derkinnison
      @derkinnison Před 4 lety +5

      Ah, but with Reasons.

    • @shadonsynn9412
      @shadonsynn9412 Před 4 lety +41

      Ah, but with obvious bias. There fixed it for you. Dont get me wrong, love WoT, but yeah bias definitely showing there.

    • @harveysowerbutts3414
      @harveysowerbutts3414 Před 4 lety +33

      If anything I’d say the Inheritance map is better than the WoT map. WoT just looks like a blob whereas at least Inheritance has a bit of character (desert in the center, mountains in the east and south, elves live in the north, etc)

    • @peterholley5802
      @peterholley5802 Před 4 lety +1

      Harvey Sowerbutts yeah I agree

    • @penmaster003
      @penmaster003 Před 4 lety +2

      Harvey Sowerbutts Lol. Now your bias is showing. WoT map is not a blob just because you’re fave lacks originality. He was ranking them based on whether or not they told a story. Alagaesia doesn’t really do that. It looks a bit too much like Tolkien’s map. It’s got some variety, sure, but it doesn’t have the significance of a lot of the other maps. Forest of elves to the north, empty desert in the middle, mountains in typical spots, and a capital in the center near the coast. Like I said pretty typical fantasy map, nothing too unique or integral to the story. I agree with Daniel. Not a bad map but nothing special about it either. The author was 15 when he made it. He did a decent job, but yeah, it’s not the best.

  • @lovetownsend
    @lovetownsend Před 4 lety +76

    *map of united states*
    "Not realistic at all. D tier for sure."

  • @oliviap1777
    @oliviap1777 Před 4 lety +64

    I know it is important for some, but I think that Geographical oddities should not negatively affect a fantasy map. Their is nothing to say that the natural forces of the world are anything like earth. In many worlds the magic has/could have changed the landscape.

    • @lennysmileyface
      @lennysmileyface Před 3 lety +2

      True, I'm planning a map where a god raises a giant mountain range to split a continent in half.

    • @jaydenlobbe7911
      @jaydenlobbe7911 Před 3 lety +6

      Yeah, Geographical Oddities shouldn't have a negative effect, as long as said Oddities aren't absolutely everywhere and there is a Lore reason behind why it exists
      Take a map of Tamriel for example, specifically Morrowind and the Island of Vvardenfell, the Island has a Huge Volcano called Red Mountain right in the middle of it, when it has no business being there, the reason behind this is that both the Island and the Volcano formed after a battle between Two Gods, Akatosh and Lorkhan, the battle ended with Lorkhan's death as Akatosh tore out Lorkhan's Heart and hurled it across the World, the heart landed in the Sea directly where Vvardenfell is on the Map, and in The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, you actually find the Heart at the end of the Main Quest within where else but Red Mountain itself

  • @landenjohnson44
    @landenjohnson44 Před 4 lety +4

    Great video, I love when a series has a good map to go along with its story. As a point of reference, mountains do form along coasts quite regularly due to dehydration melting and accretion.

  • @telenelatelin8632
    @telenelatelin8632 Před 4 lety +92

    I’m waiting for you to say “my wonderful children...of the light”

  • @EmethMatthew
    @EmethMatthew Před 4 lety +220

    Daniel: "Can we get an east coast map?!"
    Me: "Chronicles Narnia is an east coast map... And Wheel of Time is a west coast map..."
    Me: "I'll see myself out."

    • @ryansutter9434
      @ryansutter9434 Před 4 lety +14

      EmethMatthew for Narnia and for Aslan!

    • @EmethMatthew
      @EmethMatthew Před 4 lety +12

      By the Lion, you are a true Narnian!

    • @darkfool2000
      @darkfool2000 Před 4 lety +3

      That's probably because Tolkien and C.S. Lewis schoolmates in college, so C.S. Lewis came before every fanboy made their own Tolkien map homage.

    • @Zander2212
      @Zander2212 Před 4 lety +8

      @@darkfool2000 actually, they weren't schoolmates, they were professors together.
      This is why CS Lewis doesn't appear in the movie Tolkien.

    • @darkfool2000
      @darkfool2000 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Zander2212 Thanks for the information.

  • @colburn0004
    @colburn0004 Před 4 lety +50

    “I’m in shadow! Deal with it my children!”

  • @Aethernaut755
    @Aethernaut755 Před 4 lety +20

    Finally what i needed as I’m starting to draw maps

  • @thattheresagirl
    @thattheresagirl Před 4 lety +25

    I'm so glad you kept going with Discworld!! The first book in the series really doesn't do the others justice.

    • @jonasvanmaldeghem688
      @jonasvanmaldeghem688 Před 4 lety +2

      Interesting. I've read the first novel and didn't particularly love it. So I should give it another shot and read a few more of them? Just pick up the next one or one further down the road?

    • @VikingSchism
      @VikingSchism Před 4 lety +5

      @@jonasvanmaldeghem688 absolutely yes. I always say that you should read the Discworld books in publication order. You don't *have* to, but I honestly think it is worthwhile since a lot of books reference events and concepts from previous books. The second book is a follow-up to the first book, but the third jumps to different characters (and if you read in publication order then prepare to keep jumping between various casts). The fourth book, Mort, is the first of the Death books and where I think the series really got going. If all else fails, skip to Guards Guards, since the City Watch books are easily some of the best (alongside the other Death books)

  • @Ulmo90
    @Ulmo90 Před 4 lety +4

    Nice video Daniel! I'm reading Elantris now and think it has some interesting maps in it. Check also the full-world maps from David Edding's Belgariad and Malloread

  • @percyh7249
    @percyh7249 Před 4 lety +2

    Loved this so much - you should do a part 2 of this video! I can think of some great ones that I'd love to hear your thoughts on... The map at the start of The Phantom Tollbooth, for example! :)

  • @benjaminsaunders5062
    @benjaminsaunders5062 Před 4 lety +1

    I hate that I'm watching this video so intently but here I am. Love this channel and Daniel has definitely reignited my love for fantasy!

  • @mikaele
    @mikaele Před 4 lety +22

    "Oblivion Games"
    STOP RIGHT THERE

  • @separator94
    @separator94 Před 4 lety +8

    I like how the Stormlight map looks like the landscape was shaped by the massive storms.

  • @thomasburk871
    @thomasburk871 Před 4 lety +2

    So happy you included Discworld! Also it’s good to hear that you’re enjoying it as you read more.

  • @MrToddinoz
    @MrToddinoz Před 4 lety +2

    Really glad to hear you're getting more and more into discworld after the rough start. Terry Pratchett is one of my biggest heroes!

  • @theserpent6070
    @theserpent6070 Před 4 lety +3

    I love fantasy maps!
    Great video!

  • @caismith2736
    @caismith2736 Před 4 lety +3

    One of my favourites is the map for Joe Abercrombie’s “The Heroes” - it’s a small scale map of the area in which the battle the book centres around is based. Throughout the book the map is updated with the positions of the major players in the battle - really nice touch.

  • @WisecrackJax
    @WisecrackJax Před 4 lety +1

    This is a clever video idea. Never thought about ranking fantasy maps.

  • @thatsaterribletitle4650
    @thatsaterribletitle4650 Před 4 lety +29

    If you want an East Coast fantasy map, can't go past the Farseer Chronicles by Robin Hobb

  • @mr.bigzy262
    @mr.bigzy262 Před 4 lety +8

    Hey Daniel! I’m glad you are able to be full time! More videos from you makes me happy :) hope you’re having the best of luck on your writings.
    Edit: also, I was wondering. Will you be making a map for your fantasy book?

  • @dylanmoon780
    @dylanmoon780 Před 4 lety +9

    I'm an author. I consciously chose to have a west coast for the initial setting because I live in San Diego. The city we start in is inspired by San Diego, but overall having a western coast weirdly helped with my own comfort and orientation in the world because that's how I am positioned in the real world. But in the second book the story moves across the sea, so it has an east coast map.
    I don't know if people choose west coasts because they want to be like Tolkien (unless you're Terry Brooks or Christopher Paolini). I suspect it truly has something to do with the migration of western civilization, how the "old world" (Europe) is in the east with a mostly western coast.

  • @voctaus
    @voctaus Před 4 lety +2

    ahh, its nice to hear more pratchet from you ! I feel like you dont talk much about discworld ! I thought you already have read some.
    Discworld is my way in of the fantasy genre, followed closely by HP !

  • @dcsignal5241
    @dcsignal5241 Před 4 lety +2

    I always loved the Maps of Joe Devers Lone Wolf series of Books. Each new book introduced a new area to explore leading up to the first map of the entire continent in the 11th book if I recall.

  • @ethanbest9110
    @ethanbest9110 Před 4 lety +3

    The map of Sigil for the Planescape setting for D&D is my big one. I have also found some really nice maps of Thra lately with the new Dark Crystal show out.

  • @vrixphillips
    @vrixphillips Před 4 lety +15

    The Dreamlands from Dream of Unknown Qadath by HP Lovecraft has an amazing map. I'm also a big fan of maps of Dante's Divine Comedy, which is basically fanfiction/fantasy on religious themes, and i'm not sure if anyone's ever made a definitive one, but a map of William Blake's cosmology in his later prophetic poems would be amazing as well, particularly Milton and Jerusalem: The Emanation of the Giant Albion.

    • @jonstein4606
      @jonstein4606 Před 3 lety +1

      Holy shit that's a god tier map, thanks for this
      www.mockman.com/dreammap-bw.jpg

  • @tiagolascasas
    @tiagolascasas Před 4 lety +35

    The ridiculously "small" scale of Skyrim (and some other TES games) is really just a gameplay mechanic. In the lore, the world is much, much bigger.
    And if you think the WoT map looks like Alaska, just wait until you see the map of the Realm of the Elderlings :)

    • @user-qn4xu4tq7n
      @user-qn4xu4tq7n Před 4 lety +1

      Danile already knew that (I think he even said what you mentioned exactly) skip to 13:50 you'll see
      But yeah ES games have this habit of butchering lore (I think starting in oblivion) as they've attempted to streamline wich I think is a mistake because the lore is probably the best part of it. Lord knows I ain't loading up skyrim for the story/characters and combat

  • @AmaranTheTauren
    @AmaranTheTauren Před 4 lety +5

    The Joe Abercrombie’s “First Law” / “Circle of the World” map is included in the short story collection Sharp Ends. It’s solid.

  • @Divinemakyr
    @Divinemakyr Před 4 lety +3

    YES! Daniel, I didn't think you were actually going to do this one, don't know why, but I'm happy I'm wrong.

  • @deanryanmartin
    @deanryanmartin Před 4 lety +39

    Holy cow. Daniel Greene puts WoT Map on A Tier. Is this for real? Or just a fantasy hallucination?

    • @xandara75
      @xandara75 Před 4 lety +16

      Well to be fair it should have been B-tier according to his criticisms.

    • @glenbe4026
      @glenbe4026 Před 2 lety +9

      It should be D Tier in any reasonable judgement. I love the WoT but the map is straight out terrible in multiple ways.

  • @tonel.9967
    @tonel.9967 Před 4 lety

    Glad you kept reading Discworld, and not surprised you love them now! :D

  • @luise.suelves8270
    @luise.suelves8270 Před 4 lety +8

    'Having your world beyond a turtle's back is just: yes' Daniel, I love you man, you are so right at this one that I'm gonna die.

  • @hahaimout1693
    @hahaimout1693 Před 4 lety +5

    You should make a second part of this, it would be cool. With the entire map of Tamriel this time

  • @sirusbones
    @sirusbones Před 4 lety +4

    Narnia is one of the rare maps that has an Eastern Coast. Although this may be due to the fact that Tolkien and C. S. Lewis were creating their worlds at the same time, while keeping correspondence with one another, and Lewis didn't want to be seen as copying.

  • @keeprockin69
    @keeprockin69 Před 4 lety +1

    Not taking the artistic rendering into account would be hard for me :D
    Very interesting video, as always ^^

  • @sophidina34
    @sophidina34 Před 4 lety +1

    Really enjoying your map videos. Do you think it would be possible to make a video or series on fantasy map making?

  • @timlarsson
    @timlarsson Před 4 lety +4

    There was one big one I missed in this list :) Osten Ard from Tad William's Memory, Sorrow and Thorn series. It's just another west coast map though... but it's a good book series! (Even one of GRRM's inspirations)

  • @seamuspink9098
    @seamuspink9098 Před 4 lety +35

    Skyrim: B tier
    "Oblivion" games
    *BY THE NINE DIVINES*

  • @joseraulcapablanca8564

    so glad you have begun to appreciate the genius that is Terry Pratchett, there are some fantastic city maps of Ankh Morpork available. Keep up the good work

  • @torroche2195
    @torroche2195 Před 4 lety +1

    So glad you pushed on with disc world, it is definitely worth it 😊

  • @davidemmitt9439
    @davidemmitt9439 Před 4 lety +109

    Why didn't you get the whole map for ASOIAF?

    • @Spite555
      @Spite555 Před 4 lety

      David Emmitt that was the whole map

    • @Dan_G.R.S.
      @Dan_G.R.S. Před 4 lety +26

      @@Spite555 that was the TV map, the complete map is much larger

    • @davidemmitt9439
      @davidemmitt9439 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Dan_G.R.S. Correct.

    • @ultratronger
      @ultratronger Před 4 lety +3

      @@davidemmitt9439 what do you mean? the only instance of a bigger map is fanmade (that i know of)

    • @davidemmitt9439
      @davidemmitt9439 Před 4 lety +12

      @@ultratronger where is Ashai? Or the kingdoms of YI TI? There is a missing continent

  • @nestrior7733
    @nestrior7733 Před 4 lety +12

    Okay, I need to read Gentleman Bastards. With such a wonderful map full of water? How can I not?

    • @alihamer5099
      @alihamer5099 Před 4 lety +6

      I’d go with the audiobook, the narrator makes an already phenomenal story to the next level

    • @joeplumley3238
      @joeplumley3238 Před 4 lety +2

      Good series

  • @captainnolan5062
    @captainnolan5062 Před rokem +2

    West coast maps work because we read from left to right; and you read the map in the same way (from left to right). Thus as the story proceeds (like from the Shire to Mordor, in a famous story with a West Coast map you may have read) you can read the map and understand the journey (without even reading the story) and if you go from left to right, you can trace the journey without even knowing what the journey in the story will be. It is the natural kind of map for us to interact with.

  • @discoverybg31
    @discoverybg31 Před 3 lety +2

    A relatively narrow piece of land that connects two larger masses with water on both sides is called an isthmus.

  • @florbengorben7651
    @florbengorben7651 Před 4 lety +4

    The "mountains by the coast" thing is actually pretty common in real life, like others have commented. The reason why is because mountain ranges are caused by tectonic plates subducting. It's all about density. Oceanic crust is incredibly dense and as soon as it is being pushed towards land or land is being pushed towards it, the oceanic crust will subduct and as a result the land (continental) crust will be pushed up, forming mountains. In the case of the Andes mountains, pockets of the ocean crust will be heated and melted under the surface and forced up through the continental crust, forming volcanoes which may fall dormant and create mountain ranges that way.

  • @planetzdr
    @planetzdr Před 4 lety +32

    The tier list we don’t deserve, but the tier list we need!

  • @superbgokul
    @superbgokul Před 4 lety +1

    This video should be required viewing for any aspiring fantasy writer. Nice one Dan. :D

  • @vorebiz
    @vorebiz Před 4 lety +2

    The Land from The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant is an East coast map from a famous series... Surprised more people haven't mentioned it as an example of East Coast map building as it's pretty iconic in the high fantasy genre.

  • @EJdelGato
    @EJdelGato Před 3 lety +4

    I am a mapmaker and a fantasy author, and I tend to subconsciously create west coasts if I am creating a mainland map.

  • @rowanlau1651
    @rowanlau1651 Před 4 lety +3

    you should check out "the edge chronicals" books by Paul Stuart and Chris Riddel. Kinda Pratchett esqe, and a little on the younger end of fantasy as a genre. Has some of the coolest map work I've seen in fantasy.

  • @davpears74
    @davpears74 Před 4 lety +3

    I don't know if this is canon but in Wheel of Time the area where most of the story happens is real world Europe after the Breaking and whatever geoengineering that happened during the Second Age.
    Further support for this is that the Sean Chan lands strongly resemble the Americas.

  • @deki631
    @deki631 Před 3 lety +2

    2:35 The King Killer map legit looks like Europe with modifiications and some removals, the Yintas place looks exactly where Turkey would be on a real map, not to mention the Stormwall Mountains that seem like an exact representation of the Ural Mountain range

  • @MistireMie
    @MistireMie Před 4 lety +14

    "mountains on the coast isn't the most common thing" like Norway or most of the westcoast of south america? With that said, love your content and keep it up!

  • @jakobsiegel8682
    @jakobsiegel8682 Před 4 lety +20

    6:54
    Me: *stares at skyrim map*
    Gaurd: "ohhh let me guess, someone stole your sweetrole"

  • @Calintares
    @Calintares Před 4 lety +1

    It'd be interresting to see your take on the map of Safehold

  • @nadinevanwesterop
    @nadinevanwesterop Před 4 lety +1

    The Edge from the Edge chronicles has always been one of my favourites

  • @sinakiani4026
    @sinakiani4026 Před 4 lety +4

    The Belgariad has oceans on both east and west! I forgot which series had this but a day of search I found it! Hah! And best part: it’s classic fantasy

  • @yumdyendance
    @yumdyendance Před 4 lety

    One of the mpas I been watching the most is Safehold... but that is just to keep track of where everyone is :D . One of the maps I instantly took in and understood without looking where people are is the Belgariad (mainly because it looks so similar to Europe I guess).
    One thing I really like is when the book is written so you can keep track of where people are without constantly having to go check on the maps. Or that the maps/world are made so you understand it without having to read 10+ books.

  • @KFoxtheGreat
    @KFoxtheGreat Před 4 lety +1

    It makes me so happy that you've fallen for Discworld. I knew you would eventually! :D

  • @HQofrandom
    @HQofrandom Před 4 lety +3

    Going more into the map of roshar its actually mathematically derived, from 17th shard, "Its a 2d shadow of a 3d slice of a 4d Julia set"

  • @PeterCrighton
    @PeterCrighton Před 4 lety +3

    Love the Discworld map. There is also a really good detailed city map called The Streets of Ankh-Morpork by the same artist.

    • @bridgetspicer1624
      @bridgetspicer1624 Před 4 lety

      I love Ankh-morpork map so much, hands down the best City map.

    • @adorabell4253
      @adorabell4253 Před 4 lety

      There is a whole series of maps of the Disc including the Ramtops, and Death's Domain. They're out of print, though.

  • @colsonpotter9333
    @colsonpotter9333 Před 3 lety +1

    One of my maps is a west coast because it's a descendant of a story that was an LotR clone (now highly diverged, thankfully).

  • @bridgetspicer1624
    @bridgetspicer1624 Před 4 lety +1

    Terry Pratchett's Ankh Morpork map, would have to be the most detailed fantasy map, I love it. Thanks for including his Diskworld map in this list.

  • @themanmrbijok7364
    @themanmrbijok7364 Před 4 lety +7

    If you're planning on a second Fantasy Map Tier video, here's my recommendation for you to scale.
    - Elantris
    - Warbreaker
    - Tamriel
    - The Poppy War
    - The Powder mage
    - The Rage of Dragons
    - Black Leopard Red Wolf
    - Extended Middle Earth map (From the lore)

    • @Echidna23Gaming
      @Echidna23Gaming Před 4 lety

      Also The Death Gate Cycle map, each of the different world maps for the series are so incredibly absurd and fascinating I'd love to hear Daniel's opinion on them.

    • @Ranben.
      @Ranben. Před 4 lety

      Also Narnia, Magnamund, the Orokon, Derlavai, Nehwon....

    • @Zander2212
      @Zander2212 Před 4 lety

      Also ATLA, and someone already mentioned Narnia.

  • @MissGraves6
    @MissGraves6 Před 4 lety +6

    The west coast map theme actually makes a lot of sense. Westerns (most known fantasy is western) read from left to right and same thing goes for how we view images. While we tend to unconsciously compose imagery in that direction, it is also easier for our brains to read an image this way as well. Also there's a composition tendency to put the "evil" and the "unknown" in the right part of an image. Check a lot of the Star Wars posters with this in mind cause the placement of the characters or even where they are looking at gives up a lot of the plot. I'd love to know if Tolkien knew this last bit cause he placed Mordor in THE default "evil corner", and if he did that on purpose, he's got extra genius points for this. But yeah, in graphic terms, placing a map on a west coast is what makes sense for our western brains. Plus, Europe is always a big influence in fantasy.

  • @abc1DiLy
    @abc1DiLy Před 3 lety +1

    Thedas (Dragon Age) is another East Coast one with a few different countries which is interesting bc the games are set around different countries and with characters and the cultures of other countries represented. Needs a bit more detail on geographical features like mountains and rivers connecting all the towns and cities together.

  • @derkinnison
    @derkinnison Před 4 lety +3

    Now I'm wishing for a science fiction version of this! Though what can beat Ringworld? A ring around a star, 1 AU in radius, a million miles wide band with 1000 mile high walls to keep the air in. 3 million times the surface area of the Earth, and the guys that put it together literally have 1:1 maps of nearby planets built in, loaded with species they abducted from each. Spinning to create gravity so fast that one point goes around in 11 days that take Earth a year.

  • @noutsakh.2135
    @noutsakh.2135 Před 4 lety +8

    Don't you just love it when Daniel calls us his "beautiful wonderful children"?

    • @ninjajoe17
      @ninjajoe17 Před 4 lety +2

      No. It's gross. Like a cult leader.

  • @markusvakalis7369
    @markusvakalis7369 Před 4 lety +26

    I wonder how this list would look if he actually understood the lore behind all these worlds

  • @bramzwart
    @bramzwart Před 9 měsíci

    i'd love if you could talk about the narnia map or rank it, would be interesting

  • @PWRobinson1976
    @PWRobinson1976 Před 3 lety

    What is that strangly eerie music playing? Love it!!

  • @billywitchdoctordotcom3659

    An odd one, but I really love the layout, environments, landscapes, and faction distribution in the game Kenshi.

  • @AMAR9933
    @AMAR9933 Před 4 lety +3

    More tier lists

  • @Urikanu
    @Urikanu Před 4 lety +1

    For east coast maps, go with The Realm of the Elderlings of Robin hobb :)

  • @Naledgeizpwr
    @Naledgeizpwr Před 4 lety +1

    Something I take into account about maps in fantasy novels, is how inclined I am to go back and look at it as I am reading.

  • @Devou5
    @Devou5 Před 4 lety +12

    Oh my god the mad man actually did it

  • @familykletch5156
    @familykletch5156 Před 4 lety +7

    Where does the Beleriand map fall from The Silmarillion? Especially like how it ties to the LotR map. It's arguably more closely tied to the story, as well.

    • @peterdhanl.s.1861
      @peterdhanl.s.1861 Před 2 lety

      In case if you didn't knew about what happened, let me tell you.
      Because of a powerful Dark Lord named Morgoth, he dominated most of Beleriand and fall into his hands. At the time this happened, the War of Wrath begins. After 42 years of unstoppable fighting, Morgoth is finally captured by the Valar (who are God-like beings), leaving Beleriand being a completely desolate continent. As a result, it was finally sunk into the sea.

  • @judeconnor-macintyre9874

    I enjoy drawing maps and I always draw left coasts I never thought about it before it was very natural, I think it's a subconscious thing.

  • @Melancholy_Scholar
    @Melancholy_Scholar Před 4 lety +1

    The Old Kingdom/Ancelstierre map from the Old Kingdom books by Garth Nix is really solid.

  • @thievesrefuge7407
    @thievesrefuge7407 Před 3 lety +4

    imagine making such a good map that decades later people are making near exact copies of it bc its that good
    also Tolkien worked on the world of lord of the rings so i like to think if there is a heaven hes still expanding on it

  • @taragonleaf8005
    @taragonleaf8005 Před 4 lety +3

    I've used fractal map generators which helps keep the west coast disease at bay.
    Wheel of time map is hard to me to take in from a geographical perspective. Could only be explained by evens in the deep lore of the book and even that is a stretch.

  • @graciedecker3132
    @graciedecker3132 Před 4 lety +1

    The Dragon Brigade and the Dragon Corsairs series has amazing maps with islands

  • @carole5648
    @carole5648 Před 4 lety

    You should look at the map of Ketterdam from six of crows. I'm not really a big map person but there's something very satisfying about that one.

  • @ToyosatomimiNoThug
    @ToyosatomimiNoThug Před 4 lety +6

    Westros is upside down Ireland stuck to the bottom of Britain

  • @svvv977
    @svvv977 Před 4 lety +3

    I recently drew a map for my dnd campaign; i drew several shapes, modified it until I was happy with it. I looked at it the next day: it had almost the exact shape of middle earth. I think west coast maps are unconscious, I certainly unconsciously copied tolkien

  • @michaelklaczynski3650
    @michaelklaczynski3650 Před 4 lety

    Roshar is said to be based of a Julia Set, a sort of fractaly mathy thingy. It goes very well with the Stormlight Archive's scientific vibes.

  • @BishyFiveSogafi
    @BishyFiveSogafi Před 4 lety +1

    i honestly love the graceling map cause it's such a ridiculous shape. and of course the maps from the grishaverse, especially ketterdam which is based off amsterdam but on an island.