Gunfight at the OK Corral! It's not whether one movie is better than the other, just a fun comparison of the two renditions. Costner, Russell, Quaid and Kilmer.
I am a fairly intelligent guy, two degrees one in engineering. But when Sam Elliot died in Road House, I truly felt he had died. Next few times I saw him in the news. I had to do a double take and ask myself.. Wait , I thought he was dead.
sugafoot jones i get where your coming from its always cringy to see people who feel the need to correct grammer on youtube makes them look ignorant themselves but you cussing him out doesnt help much either
The story goes that Kurt Russell took over direction of the movie and cut a lot of pieces out, many of his own. My personal theory is he saw what Val Kilmer was doing and decided to showcase it. Honestly, I don't much care for Val Kilmer, but this was an Oscar-worthy performance IMHO
Tombstone had so much to see! Incredible cast and no small part. Every speaking role a fully realized character. Loved Powers Booth as Curley Bell and Billy Bob Thornton as the Gasbag "Johnny." Too many more to mention - they were ALL great! Best western film of the last 40 years and hands down the best Earp and Doc Holliday.
Can't agree about THE best Western. Unforgiven , Lonesome Dove, Open Range and Silverado. 3:10 to Yuma ain't no slouch either. I do agree about being the best Wyatt and Doc though.
@@SGTJDerek excellent list-I’d add-Appaloosa (Ed Harris, Viggo Mortensen), and The Big Country (Gregory Peck, Charlton Heston, Burl Ives) with its classic musical score by Jerome Moross.
Exactly. The villains in "Wyatt Earp" were cardboard cut-out characters just there to be shot and killed. They completely lacked the character they were given in "Tombstone."
@Jeffery Preece ya and Tombstone is the only Earp film to also star Wyatt Earp ....the third...but still. They got an actual relative of wyatt to play Billy Claiborne
I watched Wyatt Earp once . Tombstone , probably a dozen times . The casting on Tombstone is a much better . Kilmer was given the best role and he ran with it .
This sums it up pretty well for me as well. Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday is probably my favorite roll I have ever watched. He was awesome the entire movie. Also, you can google a real life picture of Doc Holiday with Wyatt Earp, Kilmer nailed it.
I watched both. Tombstone is victorious. I've only watched Wyatt Earp once. Tombstone several times. I never get tired of it. I find something new everytime.
I saw Wyatt Earp first. It would be typical for me to stick with that one. But when I saw Tombstone I changed my mind. WE is good but Tombstone is wonderful.
Tombstone is more historically accurate it's on record that Ike stepped forward when the shooting started and Wyatt really did tell him "the fights commenced, get in the fight, or get away." and tossed him aside And Wyatt never moved a single step He stood his ground like a statue and not a single bullet ever touched him
Wyatt Earp may be more historically accurate, but I cannot really remember a single scene from that movie. Tombstone is full of memorable scenes, and some incredible dialogue. For entertainment value I would choose Tombstone every time.
I can barely remember Tombstone, but for me it is because the movie was so full of Hollywood BS that I purged most of it from my memory whereas Wyatt Earp I found to be more believable and therefore more immersive.
I do remember the stuff pre-Tombstone. Just because the movie Tombstone doesn't mention any of it. When his wife died, when he was in trouble with the law, when he met Bat and so forth. But the Tombstone part of the movie wasn't comparable.
I've always wanted a suit like in Tombstone. When these guys walk down that street it's a powerful moment. Of course in Tombstone there's a powerful moment every 30 secs. I have to say there is no other movie that has had the amount of quotes it has. Everyone talks about Russell and of course Kilmer who hands down steals the Thunder but Sam Elliot who has always been one of my favorite actors and Paxton help seal the deal. The entire cast actually blend together seamlessly in this film helping making it immortal. I still want one of those damn suits.
Yeah I like the dusters , and the whole western outfits . Amazon has a Tombstone Doc t shirt with all of Doc's quotes on it . I just bought it. You know a movie is great when people still love it after 25 plus years .
I like both but yeah Tombstone is better. Costner did a good job playing Wyatt but not better than Kurt. That's how great Kurt was as Wyatt, he made Costner version look like an amateur. Not to mention Kurt whole supporting cast. They pretty much had a dream team in Tombstone. But the amazing thing about both movies is that they are great westerns in the 90's.
Tombstone is the better film, and it's not even close. Better cinematography, better acting, better screenplay, and some of the best one-liners ever put on film. Val Kilmer as doc holiday...completely epic. You're no Daisy! He should have won an Oscar for that role.
One of the major problems I have with Wyatt Earp is the movie seems dark, drab and cramped compared to Tombstone. All of that is the lighting and cinematography, plus editing. Tombstone just seemed brighter, more colorful, bigger and grander than it's competitor. It really helps the movie.
That's exactly what I don't like about Tombstone...and why I like Wyatt Earp far more. IMO, Costner and Quaid's performances were just flat-out better and more 'life like'...really, just better acting. But this is just my opinion. More about 'taste' I guess.
@@mariocisneros911 Actually I think kilmore is more authentic to how he acts he is more intimidating eating in close to the myth The only thing that Wade had going for him is he looked like the character nothing more though
I'll never understand the need to compare the two films... Tombstone and Wyatt Earp are different enough that I view them as companion pieces, not films that are competing with each other. They both work really well as they are, and I wouldn't change either.
The two can't really be compared due to one being more of a biopic and the other being more of a movie based on one part of that mans life. What's being compared here are the differences in the O.K. Corral scene.
Kevin Costner is an awesome actor, but these movies are day n night!!!!! TOMBSTONE is an iconic movie that will B watched for generations. One of the best Westerns ever made
Both were good movies. "Wyatt Earp" was more in depth about the life of Wyatt Earp, while "Tombstone" was just about the Earp's time in Tombstone. I liked them both.
I thought so 2 but it was just a different angle of the 2nd shot. It was the same guy Val killed behind the horse that they showed a close up shot in the scene just b4 that 1.
That's crazy. I remembered nothing about Kilmer's portrayl, but I always remembered Quaid's version. In fact, I specifically remembered Quaid's walking scene to the shootout. 20 years later.... and all I remember was Quaid.
I think Tombstone had a greater buildup and you remember the 'villains'. Powers Boothe, Stephan Lang, Thomas Haden Church, and of course Michael Biehn- you got a feel for them and not just our main characters. You can find a bit more historical accuracy from Wyatt Earp, but not enough considering most of the story from Earp comes from Josephine, and she definitely wanted to gloss it over- that is documented in her instructions to Stuart Lake. The one thing I thought was strange in Wyatt Earp was the inclusion of Johnny Ringo for 2 seconds as Doc guns him down at Iron Springs. He doesn't really merit the attention he got in Tombstone because he wasn't a gunfighter, more of a big talker. He wasn't involved any time there was a real fight going on, and his kills were shooting folks in the back for no good reason. Wyat Earp had a lot going for it. It details the early days, his Father- who doesn't love Gene Hackman's, Nicholas Earp? And the early backstory with Doc that Tombstone takes for granted. On the other hand, Tombstone was about that- the only parts outside that city and it's concerns were a small portion of the movie.
@It's About Time Kurt Russell was a winey baby in Tombstone! Val Kilmer was amazing as Doc and stole the show. Costner was a much better Wyatt Earp. Also Wyatt Earp was a all around better movie.
yup !! exactly too much Character in tombstone, compare the 2 wyatt Earp mobie is dead. I did the reserch on Doc Holliday and Dennis Quaid played Closer to the Role than Val Kilmer, but it was boring and plain Dull!!but Val Kilmer stole the movie!!
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. While Tombstone may have been commercially more successful and "Hollywoody", The Gunfight was much more accurately depicted in Wyatt Earp. Ike NEVER got a gun in his hands during the fight, Josephine Marcus was not in Fly's photo studio during the fight and and the actual personality of Wyatt was not as squeaky clean. Wyatt wanted that fight just as much as the Clantons and McCLaury's did. He had his foot on both sides of the law. Russell did look exactly like Earp but Costner's portrayal was much closer to the real Earp. The fight took less than 30 seconds. And how did Doc's double barrel (that's two barrels) go off three times in Tombstone? Earp's words to Clanton to get out of the way in "Tombstone" were true, as was Morgan's attitude in "Wyatt Earp" I prefer Wyatt Earp over Tombstone.
blaq7427 yeah ok! That's why everybody loves it and praises it as a classic. It may not be 100% accurate but the acting and costumes and shootouts are 100% amazing.
I guess you could put that down to the cinematography. The scenes shown here feel more like a TV movie or show rather than a movie made for the box office.
I liked both movies, but to me the only actor who didnt look like a cowboy impersonator in either movie was sam elliott. He was spot on for his character and showed true cowboy grit and atitude. The others acted well, but he was a true natural for his role. I loved the ending of "wyatt earp" better too. And kurt russell looked like a virtual wyatt earp twin. In all, good effort from both versions. And both doc hollidays were good too. Each actor brought his own personality to the character
+cp2 True, but that's Sam Elliott. Stick him in any era in any Movie he's in and you still get the same laconic, understated 'Real Cowboy' performance outta him. Love it whenever he's on screen in any movie, he just steals the moment or moments he's in without even trying.
No comparison. Hollywood does not like to give Oscars to westerns. Eastwood got one for "The Unforgiven" but that was quite sometime ago. But Val Kilmer was fantastic.
Tombstone........It has no equal!! A Val Kilmer is the epitome of a southern gentleman!! He was Doc Holliday reincarnated!! How he and all the cast didn't get Oscars.......Well, the world may never know!! God bless the cast of Tombstone!!
The other actor in Tombstone who didn't get his just dues besides Val Kilmer was Michael Biehn who played Johnny Ringo, I met him at a meet and greet years ago and I was like this is Johnny Ringo?
Tombstone all the way, It's almost a toss up Kilmer's and Quaid's performances of Doc Holliday but, from my research (I was hooked on the Doc Holliday narrative after seeing Tombstone) Kilmer portrayed Holliday's dry humour better. The way he delivered the"walking on water" reply, is perfect! When Creek, who says "hell, I have a lot of friends" the way Kilmer delivers the reply with "I don't" nails the character for me!
I like Wyatt Earp. More of a story telling about how Wyatt Earp became who he became. But I did like Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday. He had some great lines! Both are great movies in my opinion. As far as I’m concerned, they’re tied. 6 in one, half dozen in the other.
I've been to Tombstone 4 times .... I visit my Brother and his Wife in Chandler AZ in the Last Week of October for my Birthday .... And I like to be in Tombstone on that Day .... October 26th! ... And my Vote goes to Tombstone!
The story is Kevin Costner was given the script to Tombstone. He then decided to make his own Wyatt Earp movie himself. He did everything he could to shut down Tombstone's production by tying up costumes, props, etc. As anyone knows Tombstone ended up being the far superior film sans the last 15 minutes of Rambo on horseback due to the insane director George Cosmatos. I remember Costner being quoted as saying he wished Tombstone never existed. His success with Dancing With Wolves swelled his head and made him a real asshole. If he cared so much about making a factual Wyatt Earp movie he could have at least came into it in shape, but he did not. Wyatt Earp is as bloated as Costner while Tombstone despite its many production problems is a classic with Val Kilmer's best performance.
Costner had nothing against working on Tombstone, he simply wanted more focus on Wyatt Earp and his whole life story, which is why he left to start his own project. I certainly don't blame him for wanting to do a full biopic on Earp. Costner prolly does wish Tombstone never existed because if it didn't, Wyatt Earp prolly would have been better received.
It's one thing to go and make your own movie after you see one is already in production, but he tried to sink the one that gave him the inspiration. And if he cared so much about his project why did he come in heavy. I got nothing against Kevin, he's a North OC boy, but dirty pool aIn't cool.
George P. Cosmatos was the director of Tombstone in name only. Tombstone was actually directed by Kurt Russell. Sylvester Stallone used Cosmatos for Rambo 2 in a similar way and recommended to Russell he do the same. It was agreed by all parties that they would keep the arrangement secret as long as they were alive. Since Cosmatos' death a few years ago, information has trickled out about Russell's true role as director of the film.
As a relative of Doc Holliday, Dennis Quaid is definitely the best portrayal of the actual man to date. The Costner film even showed the violent relationship between Doc and Kate. Tombstone portrays them as an almost Bonnie and Clyde type couple but in reality Doc was arrested 8 or 9 times for beating the ever loving crap out of her. 😕
You're a relative of Doc Holliday...? Or were you saying Dennis Quaid is? The way you phrased it is ambiguous, though I'm almost certain I know what you mean. And Quaid might be more realistic, but Kilmer is infinitely more iconic. His Doc is one of the most fan-celebrated characters in the last 30 or 40 years of Hollywood. Somewhat related...Wyatt Earp looks, sounds, and feels so flat, so anemic, and so clunky next to Tombstone. I've never seen side-by-side comparisons, but Costner's film feels like somebody videotaped the world's most expensive high school drama production next to the crisper, more dynamic, and more exciting Tombstone. Can't think of a way that Costner's movie might be of the same quality as Tombstone, let alone better in any way... but Val Kilmer takes an awesome movie, a hugely fun Western, and elevates it into fan/cult favorite/classic, a truly unique movie. I'm not saying it's some highbrow Shakespearian Arte for Tout Le Monde and All Time, but it's the most enjoyable Western movie I've ever seen; Val Kilmer's best character ever, which is a serious statement; Kurt Russell's best or second-best character ever (tied with Macready in The Thing, IMO), one of the most fun action/summer blockbuster type movies ever made, and it has the most quotable lines in any movie I've ever seen. For me, it's the #3 most quotable text, behind the Bible and Hamlet, and I'm being serious in estimating how much I quote from which source. The only competition used to be Fear of a Black Hat, but that's dropped to 4, maybe 5 in the last 10 or 15 years.
After watching Tombstone, I couldn't even finish Wyatt Earp. It was so slowwwww, and Kevin Costner's acting was just unfathomably bad. Sorry, there's just no comparison. Tombstone is epic, perfectly paced, action-packed, with enthralling characterizations even from the minor characters. Wyatt Earp is like a stale piece of historically accurate toast that I couldn't help but spit out, and Tombstone is like garlic bread straight out of the oven. I want more!!
I love both versions of It, I love how In both scenes when there walking to the O K Corral One scene has calm silence music, and the other has seriousness to It with the music playing loud and really mean, that's amazing.
True story: Costner was originally cast in Tombstone, but he disagreed with screenwriter Kevin Jarre on the film focusing on the ensemble rather than on Wyatt. Costner left the project, then teamed up with Lawrence Kasdan to make Wyatt Earp. I prefer Tombstone in almost every way, except that Mark Harmon was a better John Behan than Jon Tenney. Quaid's Doc Holiday was also ALMOST as good as Kilmer's, but Kilmer had better one-liners. Michael Madsen as Virgil Earp is just weirdly wrong compared to Sam Elliott. Madsen's presence makes me feel like Harvey Keitel is gonna come walking around the corner with Steve Buscemi.
I like them both. Tombstone is just closer to being a "popcorn muncher" while Wyatt Earp is close to being a miniseries with an eye for detail most westerns do not have. I know I'm in the minority but I like Dennis Quaid's Doc Holliday best. His suffering and sense of humiliation seems so real to me ( I did enjoy Kilmer's Holliday's use of his wit and humor as well as copious amount of alcohol to keep himself going ). Both are good movies IMO.
3 people say Quad was better. You guys are still the minority. Kilmer's role of Holliday stole every single scene he was in. Val Kilmer became Doc Holliday.
@@Zartoo_3rd_Overlord_ofBlargon7 It was still a good Holiday. Kilmer acted his ass off in trying to show some charisma. Which paid off. Sometimes entertainment is better than fact in the movie industry
One of my favorite Westerns! When I first saw this movie and saw Dana Delaney, I thought, there's a Woman 🤩 I would like to fall in love with! Once she smiled, dressed in all Black, WOW!!! SHE LOOKS DELICIOUS!!!
If only Costner had got his gun from open range (great film btw) he coulda taken em all on his own! There are a few reasons Tombstone is better, but just one is enough- Val Kilmer
Sam Elliot has the most cowboy voice to ever voice a cowboy
I am a fairly intelligent guy, two degrees one in engineering. But when Sam Elliot died in Road House, I truly felt he had died. Next few times I saw him in the news. I had to do a double take and ask myself.. Wait , I thought he was dead.
Not to mention the mustache, the cheekbones - his whole demeanor.
Ben Johnson and Walter Brenan
Sam Elliot can't act. Just changes his clothing for the era, and voila insta cop.
Doc - "What do you think, darling? Should I hate him?
Kate - "You don't even know him"
TOMBSTONE!
Mike from Vine Ave, Roseville?
Nope. Michael from King Drive, Chicago
@@KRW628 No Prob, the search goes on...
"I know, let's have a SPELLING CONTEST..." Hilarious......
Izzy wizzy let's get busy. Oh wait you mean ABCs?
The Wyatt Earp cast was very good but the Tombstone ensemble was spectacular.
As far as music, I thought Tombstone's was more iconic. Also, that wink from Val's Holliday was such an intense way to break the building tension.
His wink increased the tension among the gunfighters.
Holliday started the shit when he winked and even smiled! LMAO
The planets must of been aligned the day the tombstone cast was put together
Maybe even blessed by Christ Himself
Zappa please go fuck yourself.
@T. Zappa Don't correct someones spelling on a youtube comment and try and sound all smart.
T. Zappa Your father your mother never told you
sugafoot jones i get where your coming from its always cringy to see people who feel the need to correct grammer on youtube makes them look ignorant themselves but you cussing him out doesnt help much either
Val Kilmer was oscar worthy his performance is legendary.
Yea, as a Broadway actor, he played Wyatt Earp way over the top, like how actors played cowboys in 50's movie's.
I agree. But the snobery in Hollywood did not want a western to win any Oscars. Shame.
shit man, he should've been Oscar's huckleberry, fo' sho'!
The story goes that Kurt Russell took over direction of the movie and cut a lot of pieces out, many of his own. My personal theory is he saw what Val Kilmer was doing and decided to showcase it. Honestly, I don't much care for Val Kilmer, but this was an Oscar-worthy performance IMHO
Exactly.👍🏻
Tombstone - better actors, better action, better quotes, better drama.
"The fight's commenced, get to fightin' or get away."
Tombstone has been my all time favorite movie for over 25 years.
Not even comparable. Tombstone is a masterpiece.
Tombstone : So much fun , entertainment better than multitudes of facts... "believing makes it so"! :)♡
And you wouldn't know a good movie if it bit you in the ass...just gimme action a lot of action screw the acting or the screenplay, right?
Love em both. Why choose between the two. Kilmer was fantastic but Quaid was no slouch as Doc
@@ghendar So true!!! Both Dennis Quaid and Val Kilmer were awesome.
Prefer wyatt earp
All the way tombstone, Val Kilmer and Kurt Russell man, the best
Don't forget Sam and Bill. Especially Sam.
Val Kilmer should have gotten an Academy award for best actor!
Tombstone had so much to see! Incredible cast and no small part. Every speaking role a fully realized character. Loved Powers Booth as Curley Bell and Billy Bob Thornton as the Gasbag "Johnny." Too many more to mention - they were ALL great! Best western film of the last 40 years and hands down the best Earp and Doc Holliday.
Can't agree about THE best Western. Unforgiven , Lonesome Dove, Open Range and Silverado. 3:10 to Yuma ain't no slouch either. I do agree about being the best Wyatt and Doc though.
@@SGTJDerek excellent list-I’d add-Appaloosa (Ed Harris, Viggo Mortensen), and The Big Country (Gregory Peck, Charlton Heston, Burl Ives) with its classic musical score by Jerome Moross.
Which one??? Curt or Kevin??
That was what Wyatt Earp was lacking, every speaking role a fully realised character.
I couldn't really tell the cowboys apart
Tombstone was definitely better than Wyatt Earp, but is not even close to the best Western of the last 40 years.
"How the hell did we get our selves into this" I have said those words more than once....
It´s really amazing, looking at them both this way, how much better the supporting cast is in tombstone.
The villians in tombstone totally outclassed wyat earps villians. You kidding me powers booth icke clanton and Ringo are trult memorable
This is true.
Powers booth was outstanding especially looking at his normal appearance
Powers Boothe
Stephen Lang
John Biehn
Thomas Haden Church
That's an all-star cast by itself.
Exactly. The villains in "Wyatt Earp" were cardboard cut-out characters just there to be shot and killed. They completely lacked the character they were given in "Tombstone."
@Jeffery Preece ya and Tombstone is the only Earp film to also star Wyatt Earp
....the third...but still. They got an actual relative of wyatt to play Billy Claiborne
Tombstone is King here and Vil Kilmer was spot on no competition
Tombstone hands down.I tried to watch Wyatt Earp twice and couldn’t make it through either time.
I watched Wyatt Earp once . Tombstone , probably a dozen times . The casting on Tombstone is a much better . Kilmer was given the best role and he ran with it .
What is Kilmer doing these days. Always liked him.
Kilmer was in top form.
@@kevinquinn3763 kilmer lost his voice entirely due to throat cancer
The surgery to remove it means hell never speak again sadly
This sums it up pretty well for me as well. Kilmer's portrayal of Doc Holiday is probably my favorite roll I have ever watched. He was awesome the entire movie. Also, you can google a real life picture of Doc Holiday with Wyatt Earp, Kilmer nailed it.
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speaking only for myself, tombstone is a perfect movie. just a fantastic 2 hour ride.
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I watched both. Tombstone is victorious. I've only watched Wyatt Earp once. Tombstone several times. I never get tired of it. I find something new everytime.
Wyatt Earp only exists so Tombstone has a place to take a shit.
I watch tombstone every chance I get THE BEST
I saw Wyatt Earp first. It would be typical for me to stick with that one. But when I saw Tombstone I changed my mind. WE is good but Tombstone is wonderful.
Tombstone is and always will be one of the great westerns of all time, thank goodness for Val Kilmar & Kurt Russell
Best Western made in the last 30 years. Period.
Tombstone is more historically accurate it's on record that Ike stepped forward when the shooting started and Wyatt really did tell him "the fights commenced, get in the fight, or get away." and tossed him aside
And Wyatt never moved a single step
He stood his ground like a statue and not a single bullet ever touched him
Wyatt Earp may be more historically accurate, but I cannot really remember a single scene from that movie. Tombstone is full of memorable scenes, and some incredible dialogue. For entertainment value I would choose Tombstone every time.
Every scene Quaid is in is classic.
@@tylerschwalbe2848 it's more accurate if you compare it to Ike Clanton's testimony that he gave about the shoot out
Tombstone just seems to set the mood better.
I can barely remember Tombstone, but for me it is because the movie was so full of Hollywood BS that I purged most of it from my memory whereas Wyatt Earp I found to be more believable and therefore more immersive.
I do remember the stuff pre-Tombstone. Just because the movie Tombstone doesn't mention any of it. When his wife died, when he was in trouble with the law, when he met Bat and so forth. But the Tombstone part of the movie wasn't comparable.
tombstone is the best of the two movie
difference between doc and the rest of them is he doesn't care if he dies.
He already knows that his time on Earth has been shortened by tuberculosis.
I've always wanted a suit like in Tombstone. When these guys walk down that street it's a powerful moment. Of course in Tombstone there's a powerful moment every 30 secs. I have to say there is no other movie that has had the amount of quotes it has. Everyone talks about Russell and of course Kilmer who hands down steals the Thunder but Sam Elliot who has always been one of my favorite actors and Paxton help seal the deal. The entire cast actually blend together seamlessly in this film helping making it immortal. I still want one of those damn suits.
Paxton's eye watching Ringo playing w/ his gun n later doc mimic w/ his cup
Yeah I like the dusters , and the whole western outfits .
Amazon has a Tombstone Doc t shirt with all of Doc's quotes on it . I just bought it.
You know a movie is great when people still love it after 25 plus years .
I still have my coat, it was hand made for me back in 1984 still in really good shape ?
Well stated! 6:22
As much as i love Costner as an actor, Tombstone wins by a landslide. I can't believe Costner took that role
I like both but yeah Tombstone is better. Costner did a good job playing Wyatt but not better than Kurt. That's how great Kurt was as Wyatt, he made Costner version look like an amateur. Not to mention Kurt whole supporting cast. They pretty much had a dream team in Tombstone. But the amazing thing about both movies is that they are great westerns in the 90's.
Baseball was getting out of style Blondie.
Tombstone is the better film, and it's not even close. Better cinematography, better acting, better screenplay, and some of the best one-liners ever put on film. Val Kilmer as doc holiday...completely epic. You're no Daisy! He should have won an Oscar for that role.
TheArkDoc You're a daisy if you do ;)
TheArkDoc disagree
One of the major problems I have with Wyatt Earp is the movie seems dark, drab and cramped compared to Tombstone. All of that is the lighting and cinematography, plus editing. Tombstone just seemed brighter, more colorful, bigger and grander than it's competitor. It really helps the movie.
Don't forget the score ! Tombstone just has that movie magic.
That's exactly what I don't like about Tombstone...and why I like Wyatt Earp far more. IMO, Costner and Quaid's performances were just flat-out better and more 'life like'...really, just better acting. But this is just my opinion. More about 'taste' I guess.
Val Kilmer, the best doc Holliday
"Nonsense. I've not yet begun to defile myself."
Nuts , the other in Warp more authentic , and mean
@@mariocisneros911 Actually I think kilmore is more authentic to how he acts he is more intimidating eating in close to the myth The only thing that Wade had going for him is he looked like the character nothing more though
Well really Doc Holliday has that priveledge himself, Val was just impersonating him.
keiichi maebara Quaid seemed to have a better accent and actually seemed sick. If Kilmer’s Doc wasn’t sweating you wouldn’t have thought he was sick
Val deserved a Oscar, Quaid deserved a ice cream sandwich.
Quaid was the best Doc Holliday.
So many forgettable roles & characters in "Wyatt Earp".
I'll never understand the need to compare the two films... Tombstone and Wyatt Earp are different enough that I view them as companion pieces, not films that are competing with each other. They both work really well as they are, and I wouldn't change either.
The two can't really be compared due to one being more of a biopic and the other being more of a movie based on one part of that mans life.
What's being compared here are the differences in the O.K. Corral scene.
Tombstone is quality cinema, Wyatt Earp is public broadcasting TV
Funny.. I see it just the opposite. Kevin Costner is quite westerner..
Kevin Costner is an awesome actor, but these movies are day n night!!!!! TOMBSTONE is an iconic movie that will B watched for generations. One of the best Westerns ever made
No question which is best. Tombstone. Simply no comparison.
Both were good movies. "Wyatt Earp" was more in depth about the life of Wyatt Earp, while "Tombstone" was just about the Earp's time in Tombstone. I liked them both.
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"I'm your huckleberry."
I'm watching this movie for the first time right now and that part just came on lol
You ain't no daisy
... Finn...
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@Robert Williamson - thank you for getting this right!!
TOMBSTONE RULES! (Even WITH the bad film edit that made it look like Doc shot 3 times from a double-barrel shotgun!)
I thought so 2 but it was just a different angle of the 2nd shot. It was the same guy Val killed behind the horse that they showed a close up shot in the scene just b4 that 1.
How many movies have shown an explosion from different angles but noone says it was a mistake.
@@dannytedford1896 - What about the guy behind the "grassy knoll"?
@Silverfang63 well to me it looks that way. N isn't he wearing the same clothes or is that 2 different guys in the same get up?
@@ktcarl lol that's a good one
say what you want about what movie was better but Tombstones Doc Holiday was by far better Val Kilmer fucking owned it
+Peter Kay I agree,he made the movie,Where in wyatt earp he was just the after thought.
johnny ringo wasn't bad either.
Agreed,he played an excellent role,a convincing bad guy!
So true, Val Kilmer is the man
That's crazy. I remembered nothing about Kilmer's portrayl, but I always remembered Quaid's version. In fact, I specifically remembered Quaid's walking scene to the shootout. 20 years later.... and all I remember was Quaid.
Let's see now, Kevin "Woodface" Costner or Kurt "Mr Intensity" Russell...I'll go with Tombstone.
Costners version lost millions at the box office. Did not compare to Tombstone. Costner's version was horrid.
good choice.
I think Tombstone had a greater buildup and you remember the 'villains'. Powers Boothe, Stephan Lang, Thomas Haden Church, and of course Michael Biehn- you got a feel for them and not just our main characters. You can find a bit more historical accuracy from Wyatt Earp, but not enough considering most of the story from Earp comes from Josephine, and she definitely wanted to gloss it over- that is documented in her instructions to Stuart Lake. The one thing I thought was strange in Wyatt Earp was the inclusion of Johnny Ringo for 2 seconds as Doc guns him down at Iron Springs. He doesn't really merit the attention he got in Tombstone because he wasn't a gunfighter, more of a big talker. He wasn't involved any time there was a real fight going on, and his kills were shooting folks in the back for no good reason.
Wyat Earp had a lot going for it. It details the early days, his Father- who doesn't love Gene Hackman's, Nicholas Earp? And the early backstory with Doc that Tombstone takes for granted. On the other hand, Tombstone was about that- the only parts outside that city and it's concerns were a small portion of the movie.
Church at the OK Corral.. his reaction to Kilmer's wink made that scene
Tombstone all the way. Kilmer and Russel can't be beat.
Wrong!! Costner and quasi were the best Wyatt earp and doc Holliday.
Susie Hollis straight troll comment lol
@It's About Time Kurt Russell was a winey baby in Tombstone! Val Kilmer was amazing as Doc and stole the show. Costner was a much better Wyatt Earp. Also Wyatt Earp was a all around better movie.
@@susiehollis3544 Agree! Costner was great! Val Kilmer was a better Doc though...
@It's About Time Open Range was good.
Tombstone wins in every possible way
yup !! exactly too much Character in tombstone, compare the 2 wyatt Earp mobie is dead. I did the reserch on Doc Holliday and Dennis Quaid played Closer to the Role than Val Kilmer, but it was boring and plain Dull!!but Val Kilmer stole the movie!!
envycruz I agree, don't get me wrong, Quaid played a decent Holliday, but there's no comparison to Val Kilmer.
Yup...! .. agreed
MrJabez89 Definitely! Tombstone! No comparison there
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with you there. While Tombstone may have been commercially more successful and "Hollywoody", The Gunfight was much more accurately depicted in Wyatt Earp. Ike NEVER got a gun in his hands during the fight, Josephine Marcus was not in Fly's photo studio during the fight and and the actual personality of Wyatt was not as squeaky clean. Wyatt wanted that fight just as much as the Clantons and McCLaury's did. He had his foot on both sides of the law. Russell did look exactly like Earp but Costner's portrayal was much closer to the real Earp. The fight took less than 30 seconds. And how did Doc's double barrel (that's two barrels) go off three times in Tombstone? Earp's words to Clanton to get out of the way in "Tombstone" were true, as was Morgan's attitude in "Wyatt Earp" I prefer Wyatt Earp over Tombstone.
blaq7427 yeah ok! That's why everybody loves it and praises it as a classic. It may not be 100% accurate but the acting and costumes and shootouts are 100% amazing.
"Tombstone" was more a mythical telling of Wyatt Earp. "Wyatt Earp" was more biographical account on Wyatt Earp.
Val Kilmer did a fabulous job of acting Doc Holiday’s role. Absolute perfection as in all his work.
Am I the only one that feels like Wyatt Earp looks like an off brand version of the far superior Tombstone.
No you're not~!!!
I am to.
I guess you could put that down to the cinematography.
The scenes shown here feel more like a TV movie or show rather than a movie made for the box office.
Tombstone is the best, hands down...The suspense this scene gave was fantastic!
Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer take the prize. You can't match their intensity and presence.
Russell is a much better actor than Costner. Quaid is good but he is no Kilmer.
Quaid seemed out of place as Doc Holliday. And Russell just fit the part of Wyatt better.
Russell looked exactly like Earp but he was not as squeaky clean as Russell made him out to be. And he WANTED that fight with the cowboys.
Oh hell no. Dennis Quaid looked absolutely EVIL as Holliday. He sold it 10x what Kilmer did. Plus Costner's film had the balls to shoot the horse.
Actually if you do some research you will find that Kilmer played the role much closer to the real Doc.
I liked both movies, but to me the only actor who didnt look like a cowboy impersonator in either movie was sam elliott. He was spot on for his character and showed true cowboy grit and atitude. The others acted well, but he was a true natural for his role. I loved the ending of "wyatt earp" better too. And kurt russell looked like a virtual wyatt earp twin.
In all, good effort from both versions. And both doc hollidays were good too. Each actor brought his own personality to the character
+cp2 True, but that's Sam Elliott. Stick him in any era in any Movie he's in and you still get the same laconic, understated 'Real Cowboy' performance outta him. Love it whenever he's on screen in any movie, he just steals the moment or moments he's in without even trying.
KiwiKugai - I'm still sad about Sam Elliott's death in Roadhouse. 😊 He's always great.
Agreed! Both movies are captivating; once you start watching you are in it until the end!
VAL KILMER STOLE THE SHOW .
Kurt Russell and Val Kilmer were the BEST!!!! Tombstone hands down!!!!
Tombstone was the shit, Wyatt Earp ehhhh. Val as Doc just EPIC! "I'm your huckleberry". Great cast is all i gotta say.
I don't have to watch this, to know the answer. Tombstone Wins hands down.
Yepper !
Absolutely there's is no comparison, Tombstone way better.
No comparison. Hollywood does not like to give Oscars to westerns. Eastwood got one for "The Unforgiven" but that was quite sometime ago. But Val Kilmer was fantastic.
They were both some time ago. “Unforgiven” was released in the summer of 1992 and “Tombstone” was late 1993.
Tombstone........It has no equal!! A Val Kilmer is the epitome of a southern gentleman!! He was Doc Holliday reincarnated!! How he and all the cast didn't get Oscars.......Well, the world may never know!! God bless the cast of Tombstone!!
Russell, Elliott, Kilmer and Paxton ! Need I say More !
THIS IS VAL'S BEST PERFORMANCE YET!!!!
Don't forget heat
Tombstone had the better cast. You can't beat Kurt and Val.
Music was epic.
I liked both movies, liked all the actors. Kilmer and Quaid were both great with their takes on Doc Holiday, Kilmer should have won an Oscar.
Tombstone was actually rumored to be directed by Kurt Russell. I think it was a grade A western. And Val Kilmer deserved an Oscar
The other actor in Tombstone who didn't get his just dues besides Val Kilmer was Michael Biehn who played Johnny Ringo, I met him at a meet and greet years ago and I was like this is Johnny Ringo?
Biehn was great
I can assure you Wyatt Earp, would be proud.
Barber....proceed, Sir. 😆👍
Tombstone is your huckleberry
More like the cast of Tombstone vs. Wyatt Earp. There is no comparison!
I like both movies but tombstone Val Kilmer play that part perfectly Kurt Russell he did a great job too
"You sons of bitches have been lookin' for a fight, now you can have it"......GOLDEN!!!
Tombstone all the way, It's almost a toss up Kilmer's and Quaid's performances of Doc Holliday but, from my research (I was hooked on the Doc Holliday narrative after seeing Tombstone) Kilmer portrayed Holliday's dry humour better. The way he delivered the"walking on water" reply, is perfect! When Creek, who says "hell, I have a lot of friends" the way Kilmer delivers the reply with "I don't" nails the character for me!
Toss up? Are you kidding? Kilmer was off the charts.
I like Wyatt Earp. More of a story telling about how Wyatt Earp became who he became. But I did like Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday. He had some great lines! Both are great movies in my opinion. As far as I’m concerned, they’re tied. 6 in one, half dozen in the other.
I've been to Tombstone 4 times .... I visit my Brother and his Wife in Chandler AZ in the Last Week of October for my Birthday .... And I like to be in Tombstone on that Day .... October 26th! ... And my Vote goes to Tombstone!
The story is Kevin Costner was given the script to Tombstone. He then decided to make his own Wyatt Earp movie himself. He did everything he could to shut down Tombstone's production by tying up costumes, props, etc. As anyone knows Tombstone ended up being the far superior film sans the last 15 minutes of Rambo on horseback due to the insane director George Cosmatos. I remember Costner being quoted as saying he wished Tombstone never existed. His success with Dancing With Wolves swelled his head and made him a real asshole. If he cared so much about making a factual Wyatt Earp movie he could have at least came into it in shape, but he did not. Wyatt Earp is as bloated as Costner while Tombstone despite its many production problems is a classic with Val Kilmer's best performance.
exactly
Costner had nothing against working on Tombstone, he simply wanted more focus on Wyatt Earp and his whole life story, which is why he left to start his own project. I certainly don't blame him for wanting to do a full biopic on Earp. Costner prolly does wish Tombstone never existed because if it didn't, Wyatt Earp prolly would have been better received.
It's one thing to go and make your own movie after you see one is already in production, but he tried to sink the one that gave him the inspiration. And if he cared so much about his project why did he come in heavy. I got nothing against Kevin, he's a North OC boy, but dirty pool aIn't cool.
the word you are trying to use is "probably" not prolly
George P. Cosmatos was the director of Tombstone in name only. Tombstone was actually directed by Kurt Russell. Sylvester Stallone used Cosmatos for Rambo 2 in a similar way and recommended to Russell he do the same. It was agreed by all parties that they would keep the arrangement secret as long as they were alive. Since Cosmatos' death a few years ago, information has trickled out about Russell's true role as director of the film.
As a relative of Doc Holliday, Dennis Quaid is definitely the best portrayal of the actual man to date. The Costner film even showed the violent relationship between Doc and Kate. Tombstone portrays them as an almost Bonnie and Clyde type couple but in reality Doc was arrested 8 or 9 times for beating the ever loving crap out of her. 😕
You're a relative of Doc Holliday...? Or were you saying Dennis Quaid is? The way you phrased it is ambiguous, though I'm almost certain I know what you mean.
And Quaid might be more realistic, but Kilmer is infinitely more iconic. His Doc is one of the most fan-celebrated characters in the last 30 or 40 years of Hollywood.
Somewhat related...Wyatt Earp looks, sounds, and feels so flat, so anemic, and so clunky next to Tombstone. I've never seen side-by-side comparisons, but Costner's film feels like somebody videotaped the world's most expensive high school drama production next to the crisper, more dynamic, and more exciting Tombstone.
Can't think of a way that Costner's movie might be of the same quality as Tombstone, let alone better in any way... but Val Kilmer takes an awesome movie, a hugely fun Western, and elevates it into fan/cult favorite/classic, a truly unique movie. I'm not saying it's some highbrow Shakespearian Arte for Tout Le Monde and All Time, but it's the most enjoyable Western movie I've ever seen; Val Kilmer's best character ever, which is a serious statement; Kurt Russell's best or second-best character ever (tied with Macready in The Thing, IMO), one of the most fun action/summer blockbuster type movies ever made, and it has the most quotable lines in any movie I've ever seen. For me, it's the #3 most quotable text, behind the Bible and Hamlet, and I'm being serious in estimating how much I quote from which source. The only competition used to be Fear of a Black Hat, but that's dropped to 4, maybe 5 in the last 10 or 15 years.
After watching Tombstone, I couldn't even finish Wyatt Earp. It was so slowwwww, and Kevin Costner's acting was just unfathomably bad. Sorry, there's just no comparison. Tombstone is epic, perfectly paced, action-packed, with enthralling characterizations even from the minor characters. Wyatt Earp is like a stale piece of historically accurate toast that I couldn't help but spit out, and Tombstone is like garlic bread straight out of the oven. I want more!!
mmmm, garlic bread ! drool....
Tombstone is more accurate LOL Quaid makes Holliday a butt Kilmer made him likable
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Both movies were excellent
I love both versions of It, I love how In both scenes when there walking to the O K Corral One scene has calm silence music, and the other has seriousness to It with the music playing loud and really mean, that's amazing.
I fuckin' love 'em both for my own reasons. Great films, man!
True story: Costner was originally cast in Tombstone, but he disagreed with screenwriter Kevin Jarre on the film focusing on the ensemble rather than on Wyatt. Costner left the project, then teamed up with Lawrence Kasdan to make Wyatt Earp.
I prefer Tombstone in almost every way, except that Mark Harmon was a better John Behan than Jon Tenney. Quaid's Doc Holiday was also ALMOST as good as Kilmer's, but Kilmer had better one-liners. Michael Madsen as Virgil Earp is just weirdly wrong compared to Sam Elliott. Madsen's presence makes me feel like Harvey Keitel is gonna come walking around the corner with Steve Buscemi.
Two words: Joanna Going
Two more words: Yes Please
And thos awful moustaches in Wyatt Earp!
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It's not that Wyatt Earp had awful moustaches, it's just that Tombstone had glorious moustaches.
@@Geronimo_Jehoshaphat Haha!
Damn......that's agent Gibbs from NCIS
I like them both. Tombstone is just closer to being a "popcorn muncher" while Wyatt Earp is close to being a miniseries with an eye for detail most westerns do not have. I know I'm in the minority but I like Dennis Quaid's Doc Holliday best. His suffering and sense of humiliation seems so real to me ( I did enjoy Kilmer's Holliday's use of his wit and humor as well as copious amount of alcohol to keep himself going ). Both are good movies IMO.
I actually think quaid is better too
You are NOT in the minority...I've been saying that for 20 years now...
3 people say Quad was better. You guys are still the minority. Kilmer's role of Holliday stole every single scene he was in. Val Kilmer became Doc Holliday.
4 people. Kilmer's Holliday was nearly a parody.
@@Zartoo_3rd_Overlord_ofBlargon7 It was still a good Holiday. Kilmer acted his ass off in trying to show some charisma. Which paid off. Sometimes entertainment is better than fact in the movie industry
I like Kevin Costner. And I like the movie Wyatt Earp. But, let’s face it, Tombstone is in a class by itself.
Tombstone was a masterpiece of film making, but Wyatt Earp is closer to the truth of what really happened.
That’s A Great Clip
But I’m gonna go with Tombstone!
Not even a contest. Camera work, actors, screen play...everything is so much better in Tombstone than Wyatt Earp.
And the winner is Tombstone.
Tombstone is a Masterpiece
All do respect to both arts but I kindly say Tombstone was definitely a true Masterpiece in Cinema.
Tombstone hands down. Val Kilmer deserved an Oscar for his role as Doc Holliday.
All accounts said that Wyatt Earp never moved from the spot where he was standing.
All the moustaches in Tombstone are thicker, bigger and look better. So Tombstone it is.
Tombstone is definitely the most epic western of my era.
Not as epic as Wyatt Earp.
@@EtherMagic Have you watched Tombstone lol
"Mom, can we go and see Tombstone at the movies?"
"No, we have Tombstone at home."
At home: Wyatt Earp
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One of my favorite Westerns! When I first saw this movie and saw Dana Delaney, I thought, there's a Woman 🤩 I would like to fall in love with! Once she smiled, dressed in all Black, WOW!!! SHE LOOKS DELICIOUS!!!
Tombstone. Kilmer oscar worthy performance. Kurt Russell is the man.
No competition. I wonder if on his deathbed, with his last breath Kevin Coster will call out "Tombstone".
He'll call out "Yellowstone!"
Tombstone was more like a comedy.
1:50 This is an image that has been perminatly placed in my mind for ever, ever since I saw this bad ass scene!
Superbly done .Well done Doc Holiday.
I like how 'Wyatt Earp' tells his origin story, but 'Tombstone' is the better movie
Doc Holiday in Tombstone, gettin 3 shots off on a double barrel shotgun...ultimate bad ass.
If only Costner had got his gun from open range (great film btw) he coulda taken em all on his own!
There are a few reasons Tombstone is better, but just one is enough- Val Kilmer
Yes, the 9-shot revolver.
Wyatt Earp One of the greatest legends of the west. Never gets wounded once. Almost as if he was protected from harm from above.
I actually went to Tombstone, AZ on *December 6th, 7th and 8th 2021*