The Science of ADHD (with Kim Nieuwenhuis) | Sci Guys Podcast #80
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- This week Kim joins us as we give you the A to Z on ADHD...
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Rick riordan literally wrote Percy jackson for his son who has ADHD to make him feel special. It's an absolutely amazing representation of ADHD
Percy Jackson is Harry Potter but better
Fun fact, I have ADHD and when read the book, I actually felt special
@@Aikano9 That doesn't take much
I have a friend who has ADHD and the whole way through this video I kept thinking “she does that!” So here’s a list of things for people who don’t know someone with ADHD and don’t see how it manifests:
- she watches all of her CZcams videos on 2x speed
- shes addicted to monster energy
- she colours in her fingers in marker when she’s bored
- she sometimes just pierces her ears late at night when she’s bored
- she gets stuck in hyper focus when doing XP farming on video games to the point where she’ll just do it for hours and hours
- she has colour changing leds on her pc otherwise it’s too boring and she can’t focus
- she barely does work in school, like ever, and then the day before she’ll just GO (we had 3 weeks to write a speech, and she left it last minute, and then just wrote 4 pages on capitalism within 2 hours)
- she is 30 minutes late every day
- she will stretch her back and just put her head on the table behind her and say hi to whoever’s behind her, doesn’t matter who it is
- she HATES uniform rules, she will wear the right shoes to school but then change them half way through a lesson, then she’ll get told off, change into the right shoes, AND THEN change into the wrong shoes again, this happens 5 times in a school day (and that’s just shoes never mind her jackets and belts)
- she changes conversation subjects like no one else
But I wouldn’t have her any other way lol she’s one the sweetest funniest person I know and she’s great entertainment lol
you just changed my life i didn't know you could listen on 2x speed. that's awesome now I can focus!!!!!
Does your friend have the hyperactive type?
Omg I felt so nostalgic of my school self 😭 I'd have my arms full of scribbles, I refused to wear the uniform how it was supposed to be, my hair was a MESS all the time I was super super late to every assignment 😂 I had fun tho
You practically described my boyfriend, his brother, and myself.
we all share the same brain cell 😭😂
I will never understand why a majority of psychiatric facilities require ppl to make phone calls to make appointments it took me months to get myself to call to make my appointment to be able to get an anxiety diagnosis do these places not realize that most of the ppl theyre treating have trouble with making calls n also just the fact that its not accessible to deaf ppl
@Personne Ici The issue with email is it's not seen as secure enough to be sending sensitive and confidential information (which all patient information is) I work in a hospital and you're not meant to send any patient or appointment information in an email unless it's encrypted. I think some departments try to get round this by intentionally putting in as little info as possible but even so that's technically a data breach.
Showed up 12 minutes late for very first appt and receptionist informed me there irony would be no appt, and that the Dr, supposedly an ADD specialized Psych, will not accept me as a patient now, because I didn't respect his valuable time. [me BLANK STARE]. [Her BITCHY STARE] "Yeah...you do understand that's what I'm here t rying0g to get help for?
Psych places are so non-mental illness-friendly it’s absurd 😂 can we talk about how I was going to get treated for ADHD by a psych and showed up 5 mins late to an appointment, and got charged $90 for a late fee???? For showing a symptom of the condition that I’m coming here to be treated for???
I just moved (for uni) and, along with an estimated 2-year waiting list, the local adult ADHD clinic sent me a whole mess of diagnostic forms to fill out before they'll take me on as a patient. Because a load of dull and anxiety-inducing forms that you've already had to fill out once before to get diagnosed in the first place is exactly what somebody with ADHD needs, and they _totally_ won't put off filling them in until roughly the heat death of the universe.
It's mind boggling how bad at this shit they are. o.O
It really should be standard to have a messaging system for appointments anywhere. It's often more efficient as well as inclusive
Me: Works in pharmacy
Also me, after hearing the pronunciation of medications: You were close, at least...
Yeah i work for a service that diagnoses and prescribes medication for adhd so i was feeljng the same throughout. Im in admin but i hear the pronunciations all the time.
@@deadlymelody27 Closer than my patients ever get it, lol. After hearing bad medication pronunciations for 6+ years, I've heard the worst of the worst in terms of patients trying to pronounce their own medication, lol
I love watching this episode back knowing the Corry and Luke don’t know that they have ADHD. It’s hilarious how obvious it is when you think about it watching this episode
Please do one episode on autism. I’m autistic myself and I’d love to hear your take on it
I have suspected I have autism or ADHD (or both) for a few years. On the occassions where I think maybe I am just making it up, I need to remember that I did not pay attention to this entire video because i was eating a donut and it was raining outside and then I got so caught up in the irony of this that I started trying to work out how regular people would have dealt with this situation
Same, I recognise the hyperfocus of ADHD, and the inability to tell time (I had an hour to brush my teeth, and suddenly I had to leave 5 minutes ago and only 10 minutes had passed in my brain), but I also get the special interest, though mine tend to cycle a bit. I also get the, I know I need to do the thing, and I want to do the thing, I know I'll feel better once I've done the thing, it's very easy and quick to do the thing, why can't I just DO THE THING?
All in all, I think it's quite likely I've got ADHD.
I got diagnosed with ADHD in the beginning of this summer and I’m 26. I had to go to a private clinic, and pay nearly a grand out of pocket, because the waiting list in the national system is 2-3 years! (In Iceland). The problem with being an adult with undiagnosed ADHD is that you have to figure out by yourself first that you have it and then pursue the diagnosis. And the only reason I eventually figured out I probably had ADHD was because the symptoms were so debilitating I couldn’t function.
The lack of societal understanding and the pervasive inaccurate stereotype of what ADHD looks like, results in people like me who have to tumble all the way down into the well before realizing they need a rope to get up. And it’s difficult to call for help and be heard when you’re at the bottom of the well.
And if that wasn’t cosmically unfair enough, we also have to deal with everyone and their mums dismissing and belittling our struggle (because they forgot their wallet at home last week “so surely everyone has a little bit of ADHD”).
So thanks for covering the topic!💕
Especially in such depth and nuance. Hopefully it reaches some of the folks who tend to understand it as Can’t Sit Still Disorder.
Hey, I understand. Even though I was diagnosed at age 11 the misunderstanding about the disorder and the belittling of our struggles is so frustrating and heartbreaking. I've tried explaining so many times but no one I've tried to talk to who doesn't have ADHD understands how debilitating the symptoms can be at times.
I understand and I know how you feel, I hope you get the help and support you deserve.
I've grown more and more unhappy with the side effects of the methylphenidate that was originally prescribed when I was diagnosed with ADHD (as an adult, amazingly) and want to explore other options. Having moved since I was diagnosed, I asked my GP to refer to me to the local specialists.
He literally said to me; 'oooh, I can't change your medicine, and referral will take a really long time. are you sure you want to bother?'. I pushed for it, and when I received a letter a little later from the local adult ADHD people, they said the estimated waiting time will be 24 months. To speak to somebody for 10 minutes about _trying_ a different prescription.
So yeah... Not much better waiting times here in the UK. =P
It took me 5 years to get myself together enough to finally get treatment. All the hoops to jump through, layers of bureaucracy, appointments to make and keep…. If my adhd was any worse I would have never been treated. 😂😂😂😂. Oh and now we have the medication shortages in the USA so… yay! I get to go through it again, having to play phone tag w the dr and pharmacies to see who might have what dose where. If I could simply work in a farm it wouldn’t matter but that’s not the modern world.
the idea that it’s so hard to tease out what counts as “impairment” is so real. Because you can’t compare it to some kind of universa baseline, you have to compare it to what a person’s functioning would be like if the symptoms were not present. For example, I always got good grades in high school (mostly Bs) but my parents and I were constantly being told by teachers that I was capable of doing better. I understood the material as well as my classmates who were getting straight A’s, but I couldn’t hand anything in on time, my work was full of careless mistakes and I always missed huge chunks of lessons daydreaming. So even though there’s nothing wrong with a B average, for me it was a sign of impairment.
It can be so unhelpfully for all kinds of problems because for the people experiencing the impaired functioning this is how they normally function
I feel like depression is the opposite to ADHD in the terms of getting a diagnosis, because I'm underage and most people are surprised by me having struggled with depression already. Even my psychiatrist gave me a lecture saying that she didn't like to give pills to people if they don't really need them, and the clinic didn't even gave me an appointment at first because I'm underage. But after hearing my symptoms she said "ok, it sounds like you have depression"
KIM
NOAH...?
“The mouthfeel” made me think of contrapoints 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
why shouldnt it be given to adults (that drug)
I thank you for this. My son was diagnosed at age 6(10 yrs ago). This explains so much. His doctor just gave prescription for a strong narcotic and only said his brain is wired wrong. So I wanted to say thanks and keep doing what you do.
The talk of medication reminded me of the time my doctor prescribed me anti-depressants/anti-anxiety medication. But she messed up. She told me I was to take different amounts of it on different days, which made my mental health severely worse on some days, amazing on others, and then I’d go through withdrawal. When I brought that up to another doctor she looked so shocked lol, luckily I’m on a normal dose now
When I’m struggling with executive dysfunction, I usually throw something. Then I have to pick it up, and then the spell is broken. (That works about 60% of the time and is heavily dependent on what I threw)
Loved this podcast. Speaking on the 35m mark, literally every single addictive thing, i.e. any dopamine or norepinephrine producer (nicotine, alcohol, etc.) will be an ADHDers best friend lol. Anything that doesn't produce dopamine right away, we won't want to continue it (college). We're short on the neurotransmitters, and we spend our lives trying to compensate.
I dont mean to be *that person* but I have almost all of the symptoms of ADHD in both categories (and I have since I was a young child), but my parents won't let me get an assessment because they "don't want another problem child in the family" (this is because my younger brother has ADHD, ASD and OCD. and it's like they think me not having a diagnosis means I don't have it?)
How old are you? If you are of age and it’s possible to make an appointment then do so bc waiting on your parents’ approval is not worth it. Sometimes our parents don’t know what is best for us and we must take the initiative ourselves. It seems that they aren’t taking it as seriously as you would want to. I hope everything works out.
I love what you said about professionals being ignorant. I know way more about adhd then my old therapist lmao
~EggsEggutive dysfunction~
I've recently been diagnosed with ADHD, thanks in no small part to Kim's videos. I've come to realize that I have been able to switch on my hyperfocus more or less on demand when doing an exam. That has come in really handy in school. However, in later life (I'm 45 years old) it has mostly been a hindrance, exams being noticeably absent in work environments, while planning and prioritizing (two things that I recognize exist as concepts, but with which I don't have much personal experience) are what is expected of you.
I suspect I've got ADHD, I have the hyperfocus, (and the special interest, though mine tend to cycle), I have the inability to tell time, unless I set a lot of alarms (I should have left 5 minutes ago, but (what felt like) 10 minutes ago I still had 30 minutes left, how?) I have the issue with doing the thing, even if the thing is quick, and easy, and important, and time sensitive.
I always wrote things like essays in uni hours before the deadline, which doesn't work so well when it comes to a thesis. I just didn't really have trouble in school, at least not in regards to understanding or doing the exams, mostly just the longer term deadlines, which did include the vocabulary lists you're supposed to study over a longer period, which I tried to cram into my head the night before the tests. So I was able to function in primary school and secondary school mostly, though I still remember crying and being stressed the day before a big report was due and not having anything finished several times.
Anything that's on a long term planning, longer than a week or so, just does not compute for me.
It just doesn't feel like it's severe enough? Like, I know it probably did impact my schooling, but I still graduated and went to college and got a BA, so did it really impact me? I was able to scrape a degree out of all of it in the end, right? So clearly I was able to push past it somehow. So did it really have a negative impact if I succeeded in the end? You know?
Me: has adhd
Also me: got addicted to cigarettes at 14 then dropped outve highschool and got into drugs outve impulsivity 🙈
When I was 7 ish I was diagnosed with ADHD and took medication for a bit but after that my mom hid it that I had it from me. Growing up i would ask if I had it or something like that and she wouldn't answer me. So I didn't know I had ADHD now I'm 21 and finally starting to realize why things are so hard and when I get more money I'm hoping to go to the doctors and get re diagnosed? I just wanna say that this podcast has made me realize more things about ADHD and why I act like this so thank you🤣
I mean, I don't feel like I have the inattentive type because I've ever been told to be quiet. In fact I don't think anyone ever told me to be quiet because I was a girl... I've just always been highly anxious about how the world sees me and highly distractible by people's faces (and social cues) when I, am speaking to them. So I didn't really speak much due to that and didn't want to bring attention to myself ever because I was afraid they'd notice. But gurl we been knew that I'm weird lol.
1:18:42 Oh my god, YES! I started methylphenidate on Tuesday and a recurrent thought is "how has everyone not completely self actualised if they spend every day feeling like, or close to like, this?" It almost irritating. You annoying people can be presented with a problem and just... solve it? Nuts.
me: ok i’ll finish this one video on parasocial relationships and then get back to homework
*twenty minutes later*
ooh i really like these sci guys, what other videos do they have? oh adhd! i’ve been wondering if i have that, maybe this will help me figure it out
*one episode later*
huh, hyperfocus. sounds relatab- omg it’s almost pitch black in my room i didn’t even notice. also when is dinner? damn i’m parched let me go refill my wate- oh what if i post a comment on this? that’d be pretty funny.
ok i’m gonna go get water now
Wow. I have another dysfunction that also influences my brain and I can relate to so much you guys are talking about! Like all the treatment is aimed at parents handling their children and nobody cares about adults handling their lives (which really doesn't make sense because every child will be a grown-up later and the brain won't just fix itself when becoming an adult), or what Kim said in the end that, in good days you get an idea of how normal people's brains work and you just think, if only I could be like that every day..
Thank you so much!
I really wish medical and school systems will get better in treating people the way they need it.
What Cory talked about around the 37-minute mark is what I think is holding back scientific progress right now: the failure to search for patterns across the different disciplines. I feel that a true unification theory would encompass much more than an understanding of, say, the fundamental forces. Not sure I’m making sense but anyway that’s why I love this podcast so much!
Hi guys about what Kim said towards the beginning of the podcast about adhd being disadvantageous to the individual but beneficial to the group hence it being passed down, I'm not sure that's correct. I have a masters degree in biology and we had many lectures about evolution and animal behaviour, traits don't get passed down because of the reason Kim stated. Group selection is a very outdated idea and has been proven wrong many times. It's because a "group" is not a unit of evolution, but rather genes are. So traits only get passed down if they're beneficial to the gene directly (aka helping the gene owner to survive/reproduce) or indirectly (aka helping kin, who likely have the gene, to survive/reproduce, hence behaviours such as kin altruism). This is called inclusive fitness. So, if adhd was beneficial in the past (there are other ways in which traits are conserved across generations but let's ignore that for now), e.g. if it made you a risk taker and therefore a better hunter, it might have been conserved in social species that form family oriented groups, groups that hunt with their kin. Such behaviour would have maybe been costly to the "adhd gene" owner but beneficial to their kin who likely had the gene too (maybe in a "recessive" form so they wouldn't actually take the risks themselves). The kin would then have a higher chance of survival and reproduction, and the gene copies that may have been carried by those kin would be passed on. It's the same idea as I've heard about the "gay gene" being passed on, when gay individuals stayed back and helped their parents raise the siblings, the gay gene would have benefited indirectly because the siblings would have a higher chance of survival and reproduction. Sorry for this biology rant, group selection just made the alarms in my brain go off.
Tl;dr, group selection isn't a thing, if the adhd gene would have been costly to the individual with the gene, it would have had to be beneficial to it's kin in order to be passed down, not the population or the species as a whole. It's a small distinction but a very important one
thank you, its very interesting
15:00 ...okay well now i feel attacked for my procrastination in literally everything like "oh i hate to do this project that's due tomorrow well that's interesting because I'm gonna continue watching youtube"
Oh boy, same, except with the important tax thing I NEED to do, and it has a deadline, and I know how to do it, and I know it shouldn't even take all that long, and I will be very happy and relieved once it's done. And yet, I haven't done it. It's not just the taxes thing, that's just the one on my mind right now.
Near the beginning there was a mention of the executive dysfunction affecting time sense.
I know how time feels for me. But how does time work for neurotypical people?
Luke had a very good observation about that tweeter not displaying theory of mind very well. It happens a lot also with people talking about autism. "Autistic people don't have good theory of mind. They can't tell that other people might be thinking or feeling things differently from themselves." But the experiences I've read from other autistic people sound like they are particularly *adept* at realizing that people have many contributing factors in how they do things, but the observers, and even researchers, completely fail to notice because *they* don't realize the contributing factors in how the autistic people react to the situations.
Yeah, it kind of feels like (and this is pure speculation) they look at behaviour only? Like, an autistic person is unable to show empathy to another person in the typical way, say offering comfort with a hug, because they might not like physical touch, but they still feel empathy for the person they would like to comfort, they just don't really show it like the researchers might expect. Something like that, if that makes sense.
I was a teacher for 30+ years. I easily recognized ADD, ADHD in my students. My oldest girl has ADD and Asperger's, but also qualified for the gifted program who wouldn't deal with her because of her ADD....my nephew has ADD. So here I am retired...I ve been married 8 years to a brilliant guy who is in his 70s. And it JUST hit me that his time and memory issues...are ADHD symptoms!
He was never diagnosed. I can't believe I didn't see it before. Wow. He drinks gallons of coffee, but it never bothers his sleep. He's so disorganized..always losing things. Twice in the last week he ran out of gas...we live far from towns, so anytime we go to town we fill up. But I'm usually with him. Those two times I was not.
Hi everyone!
I've been listening to your podcast for a while now on youtube, and i really enjoy your topics and conversations. I'm listening from Germany. This topic was really interesting to me, as i have ADD myself. It was also really interesting to listen to Kim, because i could relate a lot to her and her experiences. I really enjoyed this episode!
So stay positive and test negative everyone ❤
Probably one of my favourite episodes, Kim was so informative and a great guest.
The more I’ve found out about adhd in afab people the more I think I might have it. It just makes so much sense and explains things in my life that I’ve never found another explanation for.
This podcast has been so refreshing to watch. The dialogue has been very interesting and as well, very humorous. I really appreciate that this feels like more colloquial and sociable content for adults/people with adhd.
You’ve touched on it in the podcast, but when you go to find content about adhd to relate to as an adult, everything you find is about children and we’re all left feeling like we have less substantial content & information to relate to.
🙂
There was ONE administrator in my public school time that asked me why I was always getting in trouble and believed me when I answered (I didn’t WANT to be trouble). I remember him to this day. He really made a difference. He would tell me to take it just one day at a time and be proud of those little steps. Before I met him I was so frustrated w school, I felt like I could never predict what behavior would set the different teachers off.
Listening to this while doing my homework. Yes. Learned something new. thanks for sharing.
This is absolutely the best discussion on ADHD I’ve ever heard. Thank you so much for doing this 🙏
Excellent show! Thank you.
fantastic video it really spoke to me!
This video is so informative! I feel that I have learned more from this than I have from a lot of my online research. I think everyone who suspects themself to have ADHD should watch this, as well as anyone who has a loved one with ADHD or even just people who interact with people with ADHD on a regular basis.
I came from the autism with cyran episode and finishing up this one. I have both autism and add and I really appreciate this positive rep and helpful info. I’ve been diagnosed for years and felt like I already knew more than most lay people and I learned from both of these videos. It’s really important to me personally and I’m sure to many others. I’m 27 but I’m sharing this with my parents who still don’t understand
also having adhd and autism myself being a late diagnosis as am 20 years old this is refreshing to see that people actually can find a good understanding instead of thinking they know as that is a personal issue I've struggled with myself as people think they know what am like and why but don't and then compare me to other examples which is really infuriating
This episode really helped me learn about ADHD! I had practically no information on it, and I know what it’s like to have a mental disorder that people don’t understand (it sucks). Thanks for another very important episode :)
I’ve been experiencing ADHD symptoms lately and it’s been really frustrating bc I’m like 95% sure I don’t have ADHD. This episode helped me understand what kinds of OTHER things going on in my life rn (chronic depression, stress and overwork, lack of exercise) could be causing those same symptoms.
This speaks to me on so many levels. I've had a previous diagnosis of ADHD as a child. But after leaving the hospital I was with for at least 10 years. I had to explain myself over and over and was told I'm not someone with ADHD, but Bipolar disorder. Then I recently got a new doctor and she believed me and I got some meds and they've helped TONS. Learning more each day and putting more pieces together.
All these stories basically show how little we know about the brain, and how it functions, and all the ways it can function differently.
And even people who study brains still conflate things, like, this one researcher was all about, our brain is us, and men and women have different brains, that means the way men and women think are fundamentally different, because brain structure. And my first thought was, but brains structure themselves based on input, not completely obviously, but pretty big parts of the brain develop in certain ways based on what goes in. And we know that men and women get treated differently by society, starting with in the womb. So surely, that plays at least some part, but he never adressed that. And then he said something about female students in his class, and how they disagreed with him, but they were knitting, so they were wrong. Like, a certain hobby was inextricably tied to one's gender? He mentioned the knitting as if that invalidated the argument somehow. And he was supposed to be this leading researcher in the field.
4:38
I was running through symptoms with my therapist last week, and she gets to "often answers questions in class without being called on" and I immediately respond "well I didn't do that because I was a really shy kid but I have a tendency to try to finish people's sentences" and she responds "okay so I wasn't actually done reading, and it does continue on to say 'or finishes others sentences'"
😳guilty as charged
I also have ocd and a lot of things from my childhood that my parents attributed to it was actually adhd. Like distractibility and feeling really bad when I hurt ppls feelings
genuinely thought Kim’s last name was a typo for a second then remembered - nope just Welsh :))
edit - most definitely Dutch but hey the point still stands
Nieuwenhuis is actually a Dutch name haha
Dutch. Not enough Ys and Ls for Welsh. and the W is used wrong.
Dutch. It means "new house" in Dutch.
Lmao the not sticking to one topic thing is so true this is the tenth video about adhd I tried to get thru and the only one I've gotten this far in
My parents never told me what I had, they just took me to be diagnosed and then told me to take the medicine they gave me. I found out I had ADHD through the internet, I found out I had autism through my mum off-handedly saying it, and I found out I had depression by reading the labels on the medicine.
This comment, before I got sidetracked, was actually intended for me to say that when testing if I had ADHD as a kid they put me in front of a screen that showed a number or letter I had to press. I really tried but it eventually ended with me getting too bored to continue.
After I was diagnosed I started seeing a psychiatrist for medication. I forgot one appointment. They told me I couldn’t be seen by them anymore because of that. So I couldn’t get medication to treat a problem in my brain that causes me to forget things, because I forgot something.
I never new what was going on but that is so what has always gone on for me!
saw this episode while scrolling, went "ooo I bet that one will be interesting, lemme add that to the watch later list". then got distracted and forgot the episode existed in the first place 😂 fitting
I tried to put this on to sleep coz sleeping with adhd is almost impossible without some sort of stimulation and everytime I drifted off they burst out laughing
I have ADHD combined type. It is sometimes miserable but often useful. I am comfortable with my behaviors and cope with it well when in familiar settings. I run into issues when I am around people who are not familiar with me. I work in a hospital as a nursing assistant and my ADHD makes me really good at my job. The problem arises when people give me too many tasks at once. I do tasks well but if 3 people ask me to do like 6 different things within 10 minutes my brain just can't. People also get upset with me for forgetting small things which drives me nuts. If it's low on my priority list and will get done eventually I'm not going to stop a more important task to do it. I am nonbinary but am read as a woman at work. I definitely think people would react differently to my ADHD related behaviors if I was read as a man.
Oh and I also have major depressive disorder and generalized anxiety disorder. Which I suspect are directly tied to the ADHD and the challenges I have in society because of it. Thanks y'all for the insightful episode.
Who was here during the premiere ?
*Sci Guys talk about ADHD and nicotine*
*Me, with ADHD and a half smoked cigarette between my fingers*
"Well, fuck."
Ok wow I’m learning so much y’all. Thank you! * has to pause video to type this while knowing they have at least three more thoughts they wanna comment under this video but worries they might forget they do by the end of the video and then move onto the next thing without having commented *
I was diagnosed in my 40's, but have clearly had it all my life....and it wasn't a case where I was hard to diagnose due to it presenting in more the inattentive, "dreamy, space cadet." I was the kid who couldn't sit still, couldn't be quiet, couldn't not blurt out whatever hit my brain, and lost my homework on the way to school so frequently my teachers just thought I was lying.
But, back in the 70's, my teachers flat out told my parents (who didn't know a thing about ADHD) that if I was a boy, they would test be for ADHD...but girls didn't have it. So, they recommended that she just take me off processed sugar. Of course, that didn't impact my ADHD at all....it was just one more way that I felt like I was being punished, but I wasn't sure what I had done wrong.
One thing that also happens is that if undiagnosed into adulthood, living with undiagnosed ADHD in a neurotypical world, leads to secondary depression and anxiety. Which makes sense, because without a diagnosis explaining that ADHD behaviors are a result neurobiology differences, a person is left to explaining these behaviors as character flaws (a point that is reinforced throughout childhood). Trying to constantly over-think everything in order to compensate for ADHD behaviors is exhausting (and for me resulted in anxiety in trying to compensate, and depression from my frequent failure at being able to compensate).
You should do more on ADHD this is really entertaining and interesting it has also helped me a lot ❤️❤️❤️
As a ftm man with ADHD, I became more hyperactive after beginning testosterone
That's so cool I'm kinda on trans spectrum so do things feel different? Does sensory overload happen more usual than pre-T :0
I hope this makes sense I sometimes forget how to speak english properly
this is so interesting to me as someone who has adhd and only got diagnosed more recently, i am often seen at selfish but i am incredibly empathetic. one time i stole from a candy machine and cried the whole night because i felt so guilty about it
Ur welcome I’ll try to keep the clouds raining 🌧
i was scrolling through the comments during the credits and guess when i decided to tune back in? lol
When in the beginning when they read the symptoms of adhd and I got all the boxes right.
I teach English, and once there was this boy who had been failing the first module for about 3 years. I asked him what was going on, told him he was very intelligent, and next thing I know, by the end of the trimester he passes the tests. I was about to throw a party if I could and deciced to tell his former teacher about his accomplishment. She said : "yeah, whatever... it's not like he'll be able to get to the third module, anyway". What chance does a kid stand with a teacher like that? I felt sick to my stomach.
That’s really sad. I found out I had adhd and asd at the age of 24. I got called stupid by my teachers at school to the point where if I think about teachers as a general group, I feel my anxiety rising. I started self harming at 12 and even at 28, it’s the main reason why I have internalised so much shame. If I self harm, it always goes back to school. Teachers have such a big part to play in a child’s life and if you have both the power to demoralise or empower, choose to empower :)!
@@Sillilesshells so sorry to hear that! It hurts me real bad, 'cause I believe that if you're bitter about being a teacher, there's a whole bunch of other professions you can have, even with a much better paycheck. I know there's a world of difference between knowing you are worth it and feeling worth it, but no teacher should be entitled to destroy a person's self-esteem, this is not your fault. Can't repeat that enough. I really hope you find a way through the pain, whatever way it is❤️
I really like what u said about adhd vs narcisist because I feel so bad sometimes about neglecting my partners needs or prioritizing my own and I feel like an asshole sometimes but it's just because I'm out of meds rn
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As someone with ADHD, the "theory of mind/object permanence" thing really pisses me off. Out of sight out of mind, is not the same thing as not having object permanence. I forget things due to becoming distracted, but I still know that those things exist in the world. If it were truly object impermanence, then you could just endlessly amaze ADHD people with peek-a-boo. We're not infants.
hey love this podcast i was wondering what mics you use
ADHD here 🙋🏾♀
While listening to this, I was getting ready to go to Tesco, walked out the door, realised I had my massive water bottle, went back in to put it back, put MY KEYS on the table and proceeded to lock myself out 😭 now I’m waiting for my landlord to let me back in. And it’s a Sunday, the landLord’s day of rest…
You are describing me lol XD I would hear something that was very light and I would instantly look over towards where the sound came from, I would answer things really fast, I read faster than everyone else in my class, I interrupted just about everyone, and I was always inpatient as hell so my mom started making me take my lunch to school (it didn't help the situation at ALL).
So this is obviously before your diagnosis. Welcome to the family friend.
ADHD-I seems to be missed in AMAB people often as well. This is especially true for trans and queer folks, just due to the overlap with ADHD like symptoms and traits associated with gender norms. I had a realization recently that a lot of things associated with feminine tropes and social norms (especially in anime and games) looks eerily like masking ADHD-I.
Marin from Dress-up Darling comes to mind.
It'd be much easier to actually be sociopathic, because then you wouldn't need to be wracked with guilt and anxiety over potentially acting uncaring.
Speaking to the reports - I have ADHD and am also autistic, the report you get for the autism eval is the same as the ones you were talking about for ADHD. It includes behavioral observations about things like your eye contact and how much you fidget. I literally showed up to my eval appointment with a *bag* of fidget toys in my backpack, and went through all of them as I got bored with each one, then started on the ones my therapist had on a shelf next to the couch I was sitting on. I didn't get a copy of my report but have to assume that my therapist was like "could NOT sit still, fidgeted with EVERYTHING" But I can't argue, it's the truth, LOL. Can't wait to hear you all do an ep on autism. This ep was fantastic and I think you'd do a great job on autism.
p.s. please explain all drugs just like you did in this episode. "drug make better. but first, drug make worse."
I use to drink exactly 2 cups of coffee( my dosage)! I am not a drug addict I actually don't have the addict gene! I use marijuana as a med for my PTSD and my anxiety! I am not addicted but I use it and I love that I can get out of bed in the morning!
I love that Hermione was the exact name that came to both our minds as names we couldn't pronounce right for 90% or the book 😂 I didn't get it right until I watched the movies for the first time lol
P. S. I just got diagnosed two weeks ago and I was looking for a good explanation for what it feels like to say to people and this one was very good! Thanks!
“Scattered Brains” by Gabor Maté is my absolute go-to on this topic
One thing ppl don't realize about ADHD medication is you have withdrawal if you go off your medication as I am on day 2 of missing my adderall and have the shakes and headache among other things. While it helps a lot idk how good for the rest of my body meds are...
there are withdrawl effects from almost every medication if you take it long term. anti depressants for example. caffeine and nicotine. you cant put something in your body long term and expect to stop cold turkey and not experience some form of withdrawl. the question shouldn't be will this medication cause me to withdrawl when I stop using it, it should be will this medication improve my quality of life.
@@RisinBolger Yes that is a factor but Adderall will give you withdrawl after 2 days sometimes 1 of taking the minimum dosage. Its also considered an opiate here in the US and there are a large number of DRs that flat out refuse to prescribe it even if you have 5+ yrs of using it successfully and its well documented. At least with Adderall missing or not taking it is a bit more extreme than average. I fully agree that quality of life is top of the list, but I also don't want to shorten my lifespan if I don't have to.
Try caffeine ( with NO sugar) works a lot like your meds...will slow your thoughts...
It's interesting that SNRIs are sometimes used for ADHD because I strongly believe I have ADHD and take a SNRI for depression and I do feel if I miss a dose or few (I very much struggle to regularly take meds) I do feel my attention is marketedly affected and I do d it much harder to concentrate
The prison thing is actually so sad. We are really out here failing people as a society
Lol I can't believe you used Peter Jackson xD
I have had adhd since I was 4 I was molested when I was 3 I dont know if that has any thing to do with each other! I love these kinds of convos!
I'm afab and didn't get an adhd diagnoses until this year at 30 yrs
It's so frustrating that the medical community still says that folks with ADHD only need to use medication for school/work. In order to be diagnosed, there needs to be deficits in multiple life domains (so school/work is one domain, but home, or social life are other domains). So, to be diagnosed you need to have deficits in multiple arenas of your life, but we only need to be treated in school and work???
I never thought to look it up until i started watching this video, but 20 years ago i was diagnosed with ADD and i was like what's the difference between it and ADHD and apperantly its just an outdated term for inattentive ADHD. I wondered why I never heard anyone claiming to have ADD online...it's because im old
UK still has lots of old houses with LEAD PIPES!
I was diagnosed with autism and ADHD at age 23, I'm 28 and was also diagnosed with bipolar disorder when I was in the hospital for emergency mental health reasons a couple years ago. I'm not exactly sure, I have a hard time trying to decipher if my problems are symptoms of ADHD, autism, bipolar disorder, or depression and anxiety.
Are you guys sure you don’t have ADHD have been thinking this more and more with every episode I watch
No spoilers 😉
Psy Guys
I have ADHD that’s more attention deficit leaning, but I’m not sure how much of it is actually my sensory processing disorder. Part of my brain is faster than the rest, so sometimes my brain will ask it to take care of the sensory stuff, but it’s like “dude I’m the math guy, I don’t do sensory stuff.” Before breaking down and just making stuff up.
Someone: is saying something
Me: don’t interrupt them to say “And another thing about Pokémon...”
Me: realize I said that aloud
Me: “oops sorry i was having an internal dialogue and it accidentally became external
Does maternal consumption of high amounts of chocolate have a similar effect to high amounts of nicotine on the risk of adhd developing in the foetus?
1:04:34 idk how many times I've heard my mom say that and I'm glad my mom and I aren't the only ones who have thought about that. If all students are able to learn using a system that Neurodivergent and students with ADHD learn best with, why don't school systems start teaching that way?
Almost made it without a Harry Potter reference until 53:48
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I think the reason it says symptoms dont appear when a person with ADHD is experiencing psychosis. People with ADHD are likely to also have things such as depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, dyslexia, etc. ADHD is often the the root cause to these disorders and is often missed and overlooked whe diagnosing a patient . So the distinction is made because the symptoms of ADHD dont show when a psychotic disorder is present.
I actaully don't drink coffee all that much!