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Grinnelli F-22 Raptor VS Nine North Korean MIG-29's BVR!
Lol I'm well aware that The F-22 doesn't have enough missiles to destroy all MIG's! That's the point, it's a challenge!!
discord noti's are great ngl keep up the great work man
A Job for Two Morons! F-35 running SEAD against Russian SAM site's while F-22 runs air-air security against Two Patrolling SU-35's and Two Scrambled MIG-31's!👍
You have discovered what infantry already realize - a sniper is perhaps the most feared guy on the battle field. The sniper can paralyze a whole unit - nobody can even stick their head out to try to find a way out.
"Oh, that Meteor is really coming, huh?" - Dinosaurs, approximately 15 seconds before being eradicated from this plane of existence.
Lol 🤣
As it turns out, many of the dinosaurs didn't die immediately. The collision would have created a lot of smoke and dust debris, which trapped much of the heat from the sun, and the sun killed stuff over the course of many years. Still not everything, though. Many dinosaurs survived even that, and now they're birds. Mammals survived well. Especially smaller ones, and ones which were capable of hibernation. Indeed, our ancestor and every ancestor of every living species today survived the collision and its after effects. Here we are.
In fact, the idea that the raptors were killed by the meteor is a misconception. We still have their ancestors today.
Lmao
That AIM-120C was too fat to move. GS needed an AIM-120D and a good prayer. That Meteor is some good.
Was that a deliberate lure and trap manouever by the MiG-29 at the end? Brilliantly done if so, its not often we see GS outplayed in the strategic sense.
Ya I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s what it was, brilliant stuff if that’s indeed what the intention was.
@@GrowlingSidewinder I think you cornered him, and you were feeling lucky……. punk ;P
"Disintegrated in Action" had me giggling like a five year old.
Those Meteors make the AMRAAM look so 1970's though. I just hope that the DCS version is a mere shadow of reality.
What if it isn't?
@@gigachad1939 than it’s a pain in the but to fight against it
@@jarlevanlandeghem8595 *then*
@@gigachad1939 That's what stealth is for, ideally.
@@colinmarshall6634yeah I hope those meteors won't be able to track the raptors
I was in the german airforce, and we still had 2 of them around at the EADS facilities for experimental purposes. Mig29s are beautiful aircraffts and i never understood why we choose to modernize the f4 Phantom again instead of modernizing these beauties. Probably a political thing. They where part of the east german army called NVA and where never used by the west german and now united germanies "bundeswehr". You even have the NVA markings on the plane in this video. Anyways, thank you for the entertainment from germany. 👍😀
My dad used to be a firefighter on a military airfield at the time iron curtain fell. Told me one pilot used one of the migs to kill himself by diving vertically into the shoreline. apparently burrowed the plane several meter into the ground
oh and the Mig29s have been kept by germany until 2004, afaik about 20 or so have been sold to poland for literally 1 euro
cheers
Could be a parts and cost thing too?
@@DefinitelyNotEmma i did not know that. Thanks for the Info. I was in the Luftwaffe 2000 till 2008 and visited the EADS Seite pretty often. But it totally makes sense to keep some for the "Red Team". 👍
110 Phantoms were modernized in the Luftwaffe whereas there were only 24-something MiG-29s.
They put a Hughes-APG-65-Radar, AMRAAMS and other stuff on the Phantoms so I guess it was too complicated and costly to integrate all this on a Russian jet.
Also the Phantom already had an aerial refueling capability.
@@radfahrer875 Also true, East and West where not really compatible at the time. 😆
These meteors feel more like a guided torpedo in a subsim. Even if you evade they will just go searchmode and come again.
A good way seems to be: get random 4th gen fighter, get meteor, get ductape. BVR dominance achived
The Meteor is extra-dangerous if the launch aircraft had data link, because the middle can reacquire you from its radar, the mothership's radar, or the radar of _any other aircraft in the data link._
More or less.
The MAR (or minimum abort range) on a Meteor supposedly is 3x that of an AMRAAM. I don't know if that is true or not, but damn scary if it is.
@@Trades46 its most definitely bigger mainly due to the engine's longer burn time and its ability to sustain a certain speed for a long time
Contested / non-combatant airspace: I'm going to end this pilot's whole career.
Looks like a Cessna 172 with a Meteor missle would be a pretty crazy adversary.
would kill an F15
I was thinking a wing-suit with a meteor missile would probably be quite OP.
@@brokko_le3 haha, yeah, plus a lot of fun.
Cessna 172 Radar is soooo under rated, i know right, it must be done.
@@brokko_le3 No heat signature. Just dont fart.
8:56 That "He might be all out of meteors" reminded me of dirty harry, and I'm imagining the MIG-29 going:
"I know what you're thinking: Did he fire 4 meteors, or just 3? To tell you the truth in all this excitement I lost count too. But in any case this is a meteor missile, the most powerful fox 3 in the world, and it would blow clean off the sky. So I guess the question is, are you feeling lucky today. Well do you punk?"
Man I love the MIG-29 as a platform. In terms of basics, engine, aero and durability its a fantastic thing. Its just screaming for an avionics and radar upgrade!
Why is Russia upgrading the Sukhois instead?
@@nobodyisbest Probably because its a newer plane, and they're already making a new MiG fighter based on the MiG-29
@@commanderpeanut8029 Su-27 entered service in 1985, MiG-29 in 1983. That's a negligible difference.
I love these bvr fights much more than dogfights. They're so tense and unpredictable.
that was an absolute meteor. Man you not always get hit by a missile at mach
Meteors don't even need a warhead. The impact from that thing alone would be super-deadly!
Wait are you saying it can track harder than a domestic terrorist with info from a doxxer?
I remember reading an interview with a German Mig-29 pilot (a long time ago, but still after the re-unification) and he said that with the helmet-mounted target system they won on a regular basis against F-16s and F-15s within exercises. However, I am not sure whether that helmet system was ever used in real combat.
It is definitely equipped on all modern jets which are performing combat sorties. Whether they were used when there were enough airborne enemies is a mystery though
Wouldn't it be funny if the military actually watched these parallel universe videos and got some inspiration?
I do wonder whether modern militaries have their own sims simply for wargaming specs. Seems a decent idea. "We could spend $1 billion on developing x technology, how would it perform in the real world if we were able to build a magic black box that did that?". We live in an age where doctrine does not have to be just theory, it can be gamed!
@@agsystems8220 They most certainly have simulation tech for lots of things. And super computers to run them.
@@agsystems8220 well, interestingly, the french AirSpace Force does actually use the DCS Mirage 2000C to help pilots do training, focusing on stuff that isn't aircraft specific, like working as a team, coordination, communicatoin etc
Weird idea, F6 hellcat vs F14 tomcat. Instead of a dog fight, it's a cat fight
Damn I wished you included the TacView on this one! Especially for the last kill, I wanted to know where he went and what strategy he used! Great video though! :)
I think no tacview was by design on that because of tactics
Remember, the Meteor has a maximum range of 200 km and a "no escape zone" range of 60 km. Going to be hard to engage any fighter equipped with one with an AMRAAM equipped fighter.
That scream right before the explosion kills me 😂😂😂
That bait in the end was brilliant. He reallydoesn`t want to come out of that valley there, now does he? Let`s pretend I went cold towards more flat terrain. Might be fun!" :D
Holy cow that meteor vaporised you at the end there.
It's got so much kinetic energy.
Just found this channel, absolutely loving the content. It almost reminds me of Top Gear but with fighter jets lol, keep up the good work!
Thank you very much and welcome to the channel.
Same here!!!
now we need to see what F-35 armed with ASRAAMs and Meteors is capable of.
It's capable of pretty much the same thing as an F-35 with AIM-9Xs Block 2/2+ and AIM-120Ds.
@@turnnburn6892 120D has 40km shorter range, 1mach lower max speed and is normal solid propellant missile and not a throttleable liquid propellant ramjet.
Meteor is quite substantially more dangerous than even latest AMRAAM
of course those are "publicly available numbers" so in reality they might both be quite a bit better (Meteor was estimated to have max range over 300km ...)
Wont Britain would put those in use? i mean they do have F-35s and also use both the Meteor and the ASRAAM....it would be logical to also use them in Fat Amy
Be interesting to see a BVR series where there’s no data link being used, so each aircraft has to rely solely on its own radar.
GS tomorrow: Slapping Sidewinders in a P-51 or something
would have loved to see a tacview of the last engagement.
The last one looked like a well executed bait and trap. That was wild, good stuff!
Grinnelli F-22 Raptor VS Nine North Korean MIG-29's BVR!
Lol I'm well aware that The F-22 doesn't have enough missiles to destroy all MIG's! That's the point, it's a challenge!!
A Job for Two Morons! F-35 running SEAD against Russian SAM site's while F-22 runs air-air security against Two Patrolling SU-35's and Two Scrambled MIG-31's!👍
having a meteor chase you is scary! you cant defeat it as easily as an amraam
"...that was user error."
Everybody makes mistakes. Men own 'em.
Would you say the meteor is the best Fox 3 out there at this time? I'm starting to get that feeling.
not a feeling, pure fact
german engineering
@@k_u_e_r_i_s_u_e primarily British and Swedish ...
@@Asghaad nah man, germany is second highest with 16%
Ah yes, “disintegrated in action”
The scream you've dubbed over the kills are hilarious. 🤣
3:25 lol
Excellent video, it also makes you wonder if modernising an ancient platform like a MiG-21 would bring them back up to date. E.g. a pair of MiG21 plus AWACS, 2x Fox-3 and Archer/IRSTs Vs pair of bandit unknown?
If you could strap a brand new radar, datalink and state of the art missiles - yes, it would be extremely dangerous against any 4++ jet from the distance. Especially because M21 could be very fast as well and could sling those missiles.
something like the MiG-21 Bison upgrade of the Indians?
@@Archer89201 Bison still has quite modest radar... I think the best example of what modernization can do is Mig-31. That thing is a missile truck.
@@bojned but Mig-31 is absolutely different plane it could be called Mig-25 modernization but with a lot of excuses
Also low rcs from the front compared to other planes
3:25 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 dude, I hope one day you put the wilhem scream when someone gets killed
That was exciting. I feel your nervousness when that missile alarm starts to chime.
That fuckin' scream at 3:26 had me dying
The last one looked liked a very well executed good ol' ambush. Well done to the pilot of MiG 29.
GS once again continues his dubious distinction of last words and missiles smacking into the face.
This is hilarious considering Germany got rid of those jets to Poland for €1.00
Plus the MiG 29 is sexy
I started playing vtol vr recently as I saw that it was touch controllers only, super cool to start with flight sim. Although it is dumbed down quite a bit, I felt it was really good to start out. I’ve been enjoying watching your vids though as a lot of principles still apply in terms of defending against Sams and how to complete sead missions or defending against radar guided fox 3s, etc. soo much fun!!! Can’t wait to learn some of DCS!
Quality content as always! Love this channel and the work you put in, thank you! 🔥🔥🔥
The scream right at the hit.
GS: *Dives for the deck*
Meteor: You fool! I BREATHE AIR!
Hey, GS, you've been pumping out a lot of SEAD videos recently so I was wondering if you've considered using the Harpoons against ships. A friend of mine wants the f18 as he loves naval jets but we haven't seen the agm 84's in action.
Awesome idea right there!
W idea
I've only just come across this video and I have to say, it's *THE BEST* F-16/MiG-29 video I've seen. Not because you were "splashed" but we all know that the DCS MiG-29 (and Su-27) aren't really go-to aircraft - but when equipped with similar missiles, it really evens the playing field - much in the same way you'd expect it in real life.
With real-life combat, you've always had Western aircraft going up against substandard opponents whose countries don't really train their pilots so it's not as though they've gone up against Soviet/Russian since the Korean War.
Loving these BVR fights. Can you fly the F15 and fight against F35 in BVR? I just thought it would be quite challenging for you
Meteor's pitbull is no joke, it's really like a pitbull looking for you and not letting you go xD
I think that's the first time I've seen you lured in..
Those Meteors are nuts.
Man i really enjoy your videos. Makes me wanna start DCS, but i am still scared of the steep learning curve. Especially since it would be my first ever flightsim. Anyway, thanks for the great content. Pls keep it up. 👍
I think that last clip was a little reminder to never clebrate too early :)
Shame you had to take that Meteor to the face, though! Ouch!
Somehow that was more enjoyable than watching you dominate all the time. Very cool
Man... that meteor really has a serious amount of "F*ck you" energy.
GS weaving through the valleys in an F-16 reminded me of that old campy Air Force answer to Top Gun aka Iron Eagle.
Those yelling noises on impact get me everytime 😂
"Disintegrated In Action" this one is really crack me up so hard!!!
They say what makes a fighter jet is it’s radar but man that meteor was fricken pissed
Damn watching the meteor coming at you at that speed, that was scary
6:49 : "Everytime I bring my head up, he shoots at me."
I feel there's a "that's what she said"-joke lurking.
He had you on some Jamal Crawford sh at the end there, hesi behind the back and everything
The mountain crutch in full use in this one. Those Meteors are no joke.
Loving all the videos lately. Super interesting to see different weapon systems on older jets.
Any chance for some WW2 stuff in the near future?
Great video idea. Also I think I’ve just realised why I’ve been having trouble with the F-16 recently I’ve been slapping the jammer on during startup by accident as it’s near the rwr switches, hence why my targets get picked up by awacs and I can’t lock them for the life of me. 🤣😂 I was switching bars of scan and elevation Frantically 🤣🤣
I wonder if it ever tripped up a real pilot? It is funny, but it is the sort of ergonomics mistake that loses battles!
In all seriousness, this is the sort of thing simulation is great for finding. This is a legitimate issue with the F16. There should probably be some sort of indication on the radar monitor that the jammer is on, and it will interfere.
@@agsystems8220 an indication somewhere on the MDT or the HUD would be dope.
You took that bait hook line and sinker
That last missile hit so hard, I felt it in my soul.
If we're gonna do pretend stuff I wanna see how ridiculous an f22 would be with a helmet mounted sight!
Damn, he baited you so hard at the end lol
9:22 like a fly swatter
very useful tip i learned last last week. You can lock *air* targets on the HSD and they will show on your HUD. With or without a target lock.
gotta align HMCS for better accuracy
also no, you cant track multiple targets. Just one.
Excellent video as usual! I have a question: would use of the 120D make a difference, and if so, why aren't they used in DCS as often as the 120c? It seems from a cursory search that quite a few of the Ds have been made, so I am confused. Thanks!
120d aren't in dcs rn because there's too little official info available
Honestly, man one of the funniest vids you ever did just when you were getting opto he totally hit you with a meteor like bang oh shit!
9:15 after being hit by anything other: Killed in action. Meteor: hold ma beer. Disintegrated in action
Meteor no escape zone is a real killer (35nm+)
GS: "I'm chasing him down!" Mig29: "You think?"
And to make it worse a properly modernised 29 would not just be the weapons, it would probably be the radar, and a datalink.
That’s a Dirty Harry moment... “Did he fire 4 meteors or only 3? Well do ya feel lucky, punk?”
This makes me wonder why Germany didn't keep their MiGs and modernize them. They are quite capable planes, after all, and Germany would have flight crews already trained for their use.
Because the F-35 was being sold and everyone is replacing any Soviet equipment with it.
having fantoms and migs just doubles your logistics load, and after the reunification, Germany was in no need of armed forces.
we did keep them up until 2003 when the eurofighter was introduced.
There is so much more to a complex weapon system like a fighter than "looks cool and flies".
Trust me. They probably knew what they were doing.
Imagine you are out camping in a remote place, some F16 or MIG flies by and suddenly some fuel tanks come flying into your camp site at mach 1.2.
I knew it!!! As soon as he said he was safe I knew he was going to eat one 😂
First time hearing GS talking about getting shot down right before he gets shot down. Usually he gets shot down when he says he's safe.
Hey GS great vid as always, You should really try to notch the meteor. Going cold is suicide imo.
2:58 Sounds like a roar from an ancient God sent from the stars.
Daaaaaamn that was quick
Lesson learned, never mess with meteors..
Next video is what if the topcat stealth project was never abandoned
GS: "He going cold, he's running. Lets chase him down. I might have got him defensive here."
ME: You've been had...
Holy hell he played possum with that last meteor. Good bait and switch maneuver, there. Had he actually been dry, you’d have had him dead to rights. I really need to get back into the DCS community, again. Really miss it.
Sir I cannot wait to see what you do with the "Flying Dump Truck" also known as "The Spad". Official designation A-1 Skyraider lol.
A-1 Skyraider vs. MiG-17 like that 1965 shoot down would be very cool
Ouch! I even felt that missile hit.
Rooster: it's not the plane sir. it's the pilot
Me: It's not the plane sir. it's the missile.
Would that super low altitude evasion technique work against Meteors? Or are they just too maneuverable for something like that to work on them?
That was a fun video!
Very good video GS
Great vid Growling poor F16 having run rabbit run from the Meteors raining down on you just shows what could be possiable if the said countries spent the money
GS’s only kills this match were a couple of very surprised hillbillies who were crushed drop tanks
Solid!
Top KEK!
He totally baited you into the MAR.
It did certainly feel that way although the mar on the thing feels like 100 miles lol
It would be pretty interesting to see a F-14 with its radar firing a meteor, especially in tws. Although it would have probably never happened, even if the F-14 wasn't retired
So it’s not the machine or the pilot that matters. It’s all just the missile.
Cant wait for the EF2000 my god