LOL, the actual problem is they use such a direct way to name--- "A,B,C". In US, there are EB1 visa (talented people visa), H1B visa (technical visa), EB1 visa (temporary business visa, also some people use this for contract / short-term jobs) However, most people have no idea what those 'EB1' or 'H1B' stand for when they hear them, so people don't talk about that either.
Right. If you want to avoid criticism, cloud the system in technical jargon, and then no one will be the wiser. We understand that in the US very well.
You guys should check how difficult for a Chinese to be categorized into "class A" when you move in those developed countries like US, Australia, Canada and want to find a job...... There's no free lunch in all countries including China
Jiang Cui You are aware that Asians as a demographic in the west are far more successful. This is noted. All the things said to be white privilege... Well Asian privilege it should be brother lol. You guys are smashing us in all these privileges. Higher income rate, lower incarceration rates, seen as less threatening and are generally better educated and come from more stable households. OK so also I'm not all SJW PC and believe in the reality of different racial IQ averages. Asians have a 5 point higher average IQ statistically than those with European backgrounds. Intelligent people are the ones that reach the upper class. If a demographic has more intelligent people guess where the money will eventually wind up? But of course #Notalladiansaresmart
Matt Knight i mean the west did import smarter people from those countries. you can't just cull people to fix points. you should spend more time thinking about what influences cross sectional studies rather than what you think the results mean, because one is reliant upon the other
it is not about population, it is about the goverment showing the communist side again labling everybody in all the dimensions, and traet ppl like some kind of asset of the goverment, they do it to chinese before, and now finally doing it to the foriegners.
Yeah, but you just have to say "I'm a refugee" when you get to Canada and then you get welcomed in with open arms and given over $2000 a month because fuck legitimate immigrants.
oh gimme a break. You failed to mention you are talking about Syrian refugees, who are in dire straights. We took in a small number and yes of course we give them a helping hand. No point in letting people in then not letting them have a chance. These people will work harder than the average to become functioning members of society and will back far more over their lives. Jay, you are an embarrassment to Canada.
Refugees are by International Law, people fleeing to a country of acceptance and safety. Illegal Immigrants are those that continue past that point of safety. Most of the Syrian and similar immigration currently happening around the world is of Illegal Immigrants, not refugees.
Same system as Australia, for example the requirement for investor visa, 15million you get the residency straightaway, 5million you have to wait for 2 years, 200k if you successful run small business over 2 or 3 years and hire two locals. So if you are rich you can just buy the Australian Visa.
The one want to push to get in are refugees, so they can have many children as they want to get money from the government. If people have 15 million cash on hand they can STAY wherever they want.
Too sum up not everyone like the point system because its judging and choosing people. But the good thing is now people can be certainly know whether they can get the visa and dont have to worry it when they need to extend, also 60 points is not that hard to get especially you have a western background.
john s. Well said, they won't to know what's in it for them, to date a lot of Foreigners have had an easy ride because they have the ability to help with China's recent advancements, and in the case of many "C" graders, ability to help with English. But now the advance is catching up, the C's are not really needed other than to line the pockets of the school by charging students way more for the chance to have a real English speaker in the class room. But I am meeting more and more Teens with darn good English yet I am the first Foreigners they have had a full conversation with. But your point is valid, find what you can do for China and grace will be given.
Klaa2 Tap water is safe in China if you boil it. Medical healthcare in general is better than in Europe (faster, cheaper, you can see professionals much easier rather than having appointments with nurses and there’s way less holidays when the only option would be coming to an ER). My personal experience of healthcare comparing home and China would be that in China I will be well taken care of while at home I may wait for a 3-4 months to see a specialist doctor (not a GP). Cannot comment on healthcare in terms of terminal illnesses though. Totally agree with the rest
In China I am classed as an alien and have 24 hours to register at a police station....The Reality is I stay with friends when in china and not at a hotel so I have to register....many large signs telling the aliens to register..lol...
That is a LIE. Don't get your 'facts' from Left-Wing lying democrat media. FYI: America is the ONLY country in the world with OPEN borders! Thanks to worthless lazy morons called democrats.
PRC has being lenient with C class foreigners for many years cuz in the past the government consider them as some kind of cultural ambassador, a window for the Western world to know more about China and also help Chinese civilians understand what the west is like. But since the number of Chinese students studying abroad increased exponentially, there is no need for C class foreigner anymore. Why go to Starbucks when u have ur own coffee machine :$
and yet, Starbucks is very popular. Everyone that drinks Starbucks has a coffeemaker, yet it is building more stores to meet demand. There is a parallel here somewhere
Jay Theyme lmao you just reminded abt my childhood experience. One of my American English teacher at EF went to community college and didn't even graduate... He was a pretty chill dude but if I were to hire an American teacher for my kid I'd probably expect he or she to have at least 2000 SAT score and a bachelor's degree from a prestigious university. McDonalds workers can't teach proper English and I don't want my kids to think of America the way C class foreigner portraits
When I play Age of Empires 2 with the Chinese on my world map, I extend the Great Wall to cover Central Asia and the Himalayan passes up to the Mekong. This way no foreigners can enter unless they pass my gates. The Mongols do anyway.
I personally think is a good step for China. Today most of the country in the world already make those kinds of "selections", sometimes officially, some others times more undercover... But still doing it. Here in Shanghai, where I live, some foreigners always complaining about China, there are never happy about them situation, they don't want to learn a bit of Chinese culture/language... They don't stay here because they enjoy it, but they just stay here for the money that they can make here and they don't know which different thing to do... And on the opposite side, there are some others foreigners loving China, but have hard time to find job cause of the reputation of foreigners on those last years...
And they a lot of Chinese in Africa (unskilled too) but we do not treat them like crap or discriminate them. However, China does not do the same but discriminates African students that are studying in China , sad state of affairs.
I don't mind a classification system. What I do mind is that the questionnaire is so utterly simplisticly put together. Something only a bureaucrat would think up from behind his desk.
I think it's more focused on reducing the number of unskilled laborers like house cleaners, au pairs, builders and factory workers coming in from less developed economies rather than westerners who teach or do business. China has also changed their Hukou system allowing more intercity migration for Chinese citizens. Sure it will increase the number of illegal unskilled workers, but it's a step to prepare themselves for further internal growth. From what I have seen so far, it doesn't really affect westerners at all (aside from being able to use the card to register for more Chinese services which is a plus really).
Yow ! You're giving me bad memories of 2010 when I was in China only knowing about 800 characters. So if I could get up to HSK 5 HERE in the US, I wouldn't need to go there. The ONLY reasons I would want to be there is to know the language better and to get to eat Chinese food every day. The restrictions were bad enough in 2010. To think they are worse now -- YOW !!!
China still need a lot of native English speaking foreigner teachers ,but in first line cities ,the foreigners are full ,so China government encourage those foreigners who don't hold a degree to some undeveloped places to work .
So basically all the developed countries have a filter system for immigrants but people are shocked because China is doing it ? In fact China’s criteria is far less strict than developed countries when it comes to getting a work permit. A few years ago people with few qualifications or experience could easily find a job and stay, particularly teachers. It’s about time they implement some standards, attract and retain talent.
I expect the main motivation isn't to stop North American/West European/Australian type visitors as most will probably get at least a 'B' rating. The new classifications are probably to make it difficult for African/Middle Eastern/SE Asian visitors. One thing that was obvious during my time in China, was the degree of antipathy to darker skinned people. This is probably just formalising it, without naming it. That said, as pointed out, most developed countries have strict working and PR visa requirements. The difference is western countries have significant refugee intakes of people who won't otherwise qualify. To the best of my knowledge, China doesn't have any significant refugee intake program.
i done already my last work permit extension.Just 5 month then i switch to US. China is a nice Country but the people still needs a view years to become more sozial educated.The quick economy rise had there price.From kind nice people to money focused,heartless rude people.After 5 Years iam happy to leave.The best i took from China is my wife.
It's nothing much different than say Canada where if you are unskilled it's very hard to enter and work, while if you are top tier, they will take you with open arms. Same for the US. Hell, it's like that in most countries, different within EU or some other... maybe British Commonwealth or former colonies, I dunno, but for most- class system for foreigners exists
The foreigner are not only the from the developed country. Do you konw there are 300,000 aferica illegal immigrant living in GuangZhou? As many people from South Asia in Yunnan and GuangXi as well. China is not a immigrant country. It's pretty hard for governement to suddenly handle so many foreigners since it never happened before. I believe they are trying to study the policy from Canada and U.S which have handle this kind of stuff for hundreds of years.
It's not just China that does this. Although countries don't give class names to people who want to immigrate, they give preference to professionals, and working peoples.
So what are the actual benefits of being a class A foreigner vs. B or C? Sounds like as long as you get the visa there's no real difference apart from bragging rights.
I didn't ask what the difference is, I asked if there are benefits to being an A class foreigner vs. B/C (beyond just being "safe" as you put it). Sounds like English isn't your first language.
I have mixed feelings about it as well. I work all around the UK atm and I see so many other foreigners who just seem to be here for the 'free ride' as the guy calls it. I do however love the irony in the fact that this class system is being implemented in a supposedly communist country hahaha I guess some animals are indeed more equal than others ;)
China has been treating foreigners especially if they come from western countries as prestigious visitor, because it suffered a long time of disasters since the opium war with Britain. Now, the situation of implementing foreigners into categorization just show China intends to filter foreigners that the country needs.This can be perceived as an upgrade regarding the current development of China. Meanwhile, some short-term visitors just want to make quick money there and keep complaining about what they experienced in China, so Chinese people dislike this phenomenon among this group of foreigners. Last, there are more oversea Chinese students who can substitute these unskilled foreign labors with better understanding of Chinese circumstance. Long story short, Chinese society is fast developing, but many foreigners may not be eligible for the country's demand.
His is how immigration should be. Singapore has been able to attract talent with this kind of policy.mi dont think china needs low class worker they have enough people, for that, and if you dont classified as higher class foreigner then what use do you have aside from using up resources
***** start deporting people with money that come to buy houses? or start deporting people who work there with credible degree from university, either way i support both measure so better do it now
***** hahhahahah, chinese export are dropping because the world economy is not good. also china has been pushing itself out of export driven economy for quite sometimes, and for you to know the government has been trying to push a lot of low key industry out of china too that is why you will find some chinese owned companies in south east asia and even as far as africa producing cheap goods like clothing or plastic ware or kitchen utensils
Really awesome intro, I'm loving these drone shots. I wish we would have got a bit more of your opinion in the video to go along with the other 2 guys!
I think it's important to understand that in mainland China the use of "foreigner" or any other terms that sound unfriendly are not due to some sort of attitude towards non-Chinese, it's simply because of bad interpretation/translation. Local gov in HongKong, on the other hand, does not have this problem for obvious reason. I don't know how long cmilk has been in China but a bit of empathy would be good to avoid misunderstanding.
Great system. UK needs a similar system. Who wants poor, low skilled, society suckers coming to your country. Actually like Australia's point based system.
Kind of a bit racist to keep calling you 'foreigner'. In England if you lived and worked here for ten years and could speak the language and people referred to you as a foreigner then it would be considered quite distasteful.
I’ve lived in England for more than ten years and I still consider myself foreigner and don’t mind other people calling me such (why not?) I’m here for work and the idea for me to become English is just ridiculous. And I do hope foreigners in China won’t naively think they will become Chinese (at least not until they are 100% culturally assimilated.)
Uk just came in with a system like this.. gone are the days of British nationals not having jobs. Great news for the young British boys struggling to find work. Hopefully will see a decline in drugs and violence too! There won’t be any excuses for these young lads not to be working soon. Thank god. I’m excited for a bright future here in the UK 🇬🇧
7:09 "SHAME!" shame on you! Shame on your family! Shame on your cow! Thats soo Mulan. I understand this is a really serius topic, but everything sound to me so subrealist. What a world. Good luck everyone
I totally agree with that policy. We don't wanna low quality people to come china. You know, some people always be complaining and rude in china. Got them out.
Haonan Ran I recall once when driving in Vancouver, I was about to make a right turn when 3 well dressed professional looking men casually ignored the don't walk signal, preventing me from making my turn, but at the same time a scruffy looking guy with long hair pushing a shopping cart looked up, noticed the don't walk signal, and waved for me to go first. Although I acknowledge we all judge people by their appearance, having money does not make one a more worthy human being; some of the most belligerent, selfish people are wealthy (not always of course).
Basically they want people to contribute to society and help their country improve. I think every country is that way. They are just being more blunt about it. I don't see the problem. Every country needs this system. I don't think the type of university should matter though. There are very intelligent people at "no name" schools
This type of system would shy away people that are very rich that just want to retire there or live there for x amount of years and spend their money there though.
China is a place of connections. The value of Ivy League schools and the like is that all the people there are _really_ smart people and you rarely see a cohort like that in real life. Every graduate from my university has been depressed by this very fact and we all cling together as a result. China wants to dip into those social circles. They don't want singular smart people, they want the entire network. Those individuals who are really smart at no name schools... I've met quite a few and they were always loners at their schools.
It is very hard to go from a developed country to China (whatever it may be). If the government wants to make it harder, OK. There is a marked difference in some societies that "get" the western mindset - and live it - versus countries that install a brick wall around their minds in regards to who you are and where you come from. In my experience, choose the former for longer term residence, and the latter for photo tours.
The kicker is we're still referred to as foreigners when they visit or move to my country. I believe foreigner just means "not Chinese." My blood was boiling when someone made that reference the first time. "I've lived here all my life, and you're calling ME the foreigner?" Lol.
Fantastic, get rid of the scum hanger on'ers who do nothing but whine about China. Besides the typical arrogant condescending criticism from SerpantZA, he actually looks a little nervous, struggling on the score card there maybe?
He's on a marriage visa with income from Patreon, that's the last I heard anyway, so this new system doesn't include him, unless he wishes to go back on to a work visa.
indeed a lot of C class wanderers ... when I was in uni some people stayed wandering in Dorms doing not much even after graduating for a long a time before ....and they cause trouble this was so difficult i myself had a situation of a crazy guy climbing and entering my dorm at 2 am in the morning from the balcony .... a wanderer alcoholic
Warning it's a fake account It's not Laowhy86 -> just hover your mouse on top of his name account and it shows zero subscriber and he got zero video posted
Not quite. Trump has nothing against immigrants coming to America, but he wishes for them to at least be documented. There is a difference between documenting an individual and attempting to classify them upon their worth. I do not personally agree with kicking the one who are already here out of the country, but these particular situations are distinctly different.
What do they define as an ivy league equivalent? The Chinese ranking ranks some California schools like UC Berkeley really high compared to the US ranking, where as other schools like Washington University in St. Louis are good in the U.S. but not known outside. This seems very vague.
In the Chinese Quora "zhihu ", there has already been enough discussions about this topic. Many of them support this policy. Many people from English speaking countries are just teaching English in china, and they get much better salaries than Chinese local people, it's quite unfair for locals.
People complain about things in every country Mark, native or otherwise. No country is anywhere close to perfect, and mentioning that from time to time when it's relevant is not a good reason to have someone deported.
Obtaining a degree is not an over demanding requirement. Different from Western countries, China does not need any blue collar skilled workers. China needs high skilled and experienced white collar professionals. So bachelor degree is a minimum prerequisite.
I think China is smart to class their foreigners. The US should grade its potential immigrants and foreigners. A country needs to do 3 things. 1 Accept only the right number of foreigners. 2. Accept only the best or most in demand foreigners. 3. Foreigners that are willing to live under the laws of the host country. A country should not compromise on this. .
this is my view "Salary base grading system will force company and employee to declare higher salary (while most of the company pays gray (half cash half bank) to avoid higher taxing issue this rules may increase higher tax collection and will discourage the company to hire foreigners."
That is NOT true. Countries like United States, Canada and Australia NEVER rank immigrants according to where they want to live and this is why there is so many immigrants concentrated in all the largest metropolitan cities instead of forcing them to go to all the remote areas which they actually should.
People don't realize this but this hurts the growing rate for China dramatically. If this sticks around it will benefit countries in the West who currently have declineing populations and more kind immigration policy.
China has a large population ...It is not an immigrant country....China's immigration policy is to achieve the purpose of attracting the talents they need...To filter out people who don't need..You know, the number of foreigners in China has increased rapidly over the years.This should be an important reason for the implementation of the new immigration policy
The talents always moves with opportunities and capital..China has these conditions..In recent years China's foreign population increased dramatically.International migration report (2015).In the "most attractive foreign nationals living in the country or region" ranking.China's overall ranking third.Over the United States, Japan, France and the United Kingdom, etc.In a survey of foreigners.China's foreigners economic status indicators ranked first（Including income, wealth and disposable income, etc.） China's foreigners making more than $250000 chance of more than four times the global average(China is 29%, the global average ratio is 7%)..Obviously, We already knew where to had the opportunity and the future .
Trash should stay out of China.You are not a class A foreigner how do you know they don't come to China?If you have ever been to Shenzhen Shanghai these big cities you would find a lot of talented working with Chinese earning then folds the money they would get if they were in their country including first world countries.Chinese companies are pretty generous on putting money into attracting A class foreigners.
even with no chinese language skills, no work experience in china, and making the lowest income bracket I would still qualify as class b as long as I lived in a rural area.
Good report, you can't help to notice that almost everything in the US is made in China. I hope these restrictions on immigration are temporary. Based on your "Conquering Southern China' video, China still looks mostly rural and many opportunities for development and employment will emerge.
Class A (if you meet the condition of either one below): Selected by China talent import plan Internationally recognized rewards Scarce jobs encouraged by Chinese government Innovative and Entrepreneurial Talent Selected by the Youth-Talent project Personal comprehensive quality - score >85 points Class B (your job must be one open for foreign expat), and then you have to meet the condition of either one below: You have Bachelor or higher degree and 2 years full time related work experience. Master degree from any university in Mainland China (with outstanding graduation certificate) Master degree from any world top 100 universities For foreigner teach in China, you should have Bachelor or higher degree and 2 years full time teaching experience, and you can only teach your native language Personal comprehensive quality - score 60-84 points
I wish America and the rest of the West ranked immigrants and foreigners according to their worthiness to society as a whole. Good for China for keeping undesirable foreigners out. Why should a society take in those who don't contribute? Immigration isn't a right.
This is similar to immigration in the US and many other developed nations. I cannot blame them for wanting to attract talent in order to further increase their growth and limit those that have less potential or lower productivity potential.
C-Milk I think there was something missing on that grading chart. At the top it should read give the person that is grading/doing your paperwork a couple thousand Yuan and you will receive the top score.
While a lot of it seems true, the comment about how the US does stuff to that extend is wrong. I go to a large school with entire dorms for foreign students and some of them don't speak english at all. I honestly give them the utmost credit for taking notes and tests in a language they need to translate on the fly
If you wanted to know whether someone was doing skilled or unskilled labor, why don't you ask what kind of work they're doing? With that information, maybe you could even do something as radical as allowing foreigners depending on if China is in need of more workers with their specific skills.
Want 1984? I can't hang one of those little pine tree deodorizers from the rear view mirror in my vehicle without being stopped by the police and ticketed. (Last time that happened *TWO* prowlers pulled me over in my F150!) Welcome to collectivist... *VERMONT!*
Applying for a tourist visa to China is still very easy. Class A B C I am pretty sure is for people who want to live in China for a long term. Like any other country, of course, it will be stricter.
LOL, the actual problem is they use such a direct way to name--- "A,B,C".
In US, there are EB1 visa (talented people visa), H1B visa (technical visa), EB1 visa (temporary business visa, also some people use this for contract / short-term jobs)
However, most people have no idea what those 'EB1' or 'H1B' stand for when they hear them, so people don't talk about that either.
B1 visa
totally!
America > Britain > China.
Alphabetical order is confirmed.
well looks like CHINA>UNITED STATES>UNITED KINDOM. if that's the game you want to play.
Right. If you want to avoid criticism, cloud the system in technical jargon, and then no one will be the wiser. We understand that in the US very well.
Are you
A: Average
B: Bad
C: Catastrophe
You guys should check how difficult for a Chinese to be categorized into "class A" when you move in those developed countries like US, Australia, Canada and want to find a job...... There's no free lunch in all countries including China
Jiang Cui You are aware that Asians as a demographic in the west are far more successful. This is noted. All the things said to be white privilege... Well Asian privilege it should be brother lol. You guys are smashing us in all these privileges. Higher income rate, lower incarceration rates, seen as less threatening and are generally better educated and come from more stable households.
OK so also I'm not all SJW PC and believe in the reality of different racial IQ averages. Asians have a 5 point higher average IQ statistically than those with European backgrounds. Intelligent people are the ones that reach the upper class. If a demographic has more intelligent people guess where the money will eventually wind up? But of course #Notalladiansaresmart
So true, NO country wants "losers."
Matt Knight i mean the west did import smarter people from those countries.
you can't just cull people to fix points.
you should spend more time thinking about what influences cross sectional studies rather than what you think the results mean, because one is reliant upon the other
taief miah But other countries like USA are doing the culling thing to the foreign workers all the time! For me I think is the policy is quite fair .
Linda Li ??
No developed countries do this
SerpentZA should be a CLASS A cause he is a anti-scam specialist.
drink your baiju, and soothe the hate. xie xie
He is class C because no he's got no degree.......
ccc wow wasn't he a teacher? How could he be a teacher without a degree?
John Holmes oops... for real? Aren't you suppose to have at least a college degree to teach English?
John Holmes I'm no expert here but one friend of mine who has a master's degree is still struggling in finding a proper teaching job in the states.
I think no one will argue that China already has a huge population problem, it's fair to have a such system to reduce the numbers of foreigners.
I think Western countries should reduce numbers of Chinese who are living within its borders.
Probably better to focus more on refugee issues.
Yes, everyone knows that the China population is too large. So the 0.2% who are non-Chinese must be reduced. Do you know it?
it is not about population, it is about the goverment showing the communist side again labling everybody in all the dimensions, and traet ppl like some kind of asset of the goverment, they do it to chinese before, and now finally doing it to the foriegners.
All the western countries already have a system to control the people coming from a different country, what is wrong with that?
Canada and australia have a much harder work permit system.The china one doesn't seem to bad.
True, and you don't get hired without working experience. But the issue is, how can anyone get any working experience without any job...
Yeah, but you just have to say "I'm a refugee" when you get to Canada and then you get welcomed in with open arms and given over $2000 a month because fuck legitimate immigrants.
oh gimme a break. You failed to mention you are talking about Syrian refugees, who are in dire straights. We took in a small number and yes of course we give them a helping hand. No point in letting people in then not letting them have a chance. These people will work harder than the average to become functioning members of society and will back far more over their lives. Jay, you are an embarrassment to Canada.
Refugees are by International Law, people fleeing to a country of acceptance and safety.
Illegal Immigrants are those that continue past that point of safety.
Most of the Syrian and similar immigration currently happening around the world is of Illegal Immigrants, not refugees.
+Raphael Zhou Ah.. yes.. that good old chicken and egg problem that every young fresh out-of-school person has to face...
I'm a class S foreigner...
+Bulrag Ironfist i can see that you didn't got the reference...
I guess the whoosh applies to you my friend, whoosh
What does class S have to do with sex?
+Bulrag Ironfist oh you're one of those gimmick posters like me
S stand for Sex i guess?
one punch man
Same system as Australia, for example the requirement for investor visa, 15million you get the residency straightaway, 5million you have to wait for 2 years, 200k if you successful run small business over 2 or 3 years and hire two locals. So if you are rich you can just buy the Australian Visa.
The one want to push to get in are refugees, so they can have many children as they want to get money from the government.
If people have 15 million cash on hand they can STAY wherever they want.
as a chinese, the situation maybe not bad...just want my homeland to stay quiet and peaceful. less people, more peace
Too sum up not everyone like the point system because its judging and choosing people. But the good thing is now people can be certainly know whether they can get the visa and dont have to worry it when they need to extend, also 60 points is not that hard to get especially you have a western background.
Eorthisio Di Livio okey sounds good .u they don't want come we don't want they in , s good for everyone
yes more quality and our pay and reputation will go up
If you really want to call China your home, then ask not what China can do for you, ask what you can do for China.
john s.
Well said, they won't to know what's in it for them, to date a lot of Foreigners have had an easy ride because they have the ability to help with China's recent advancements, and in the case of many "C" graders, ability to help with English.
But now the advance is catching up, the C's are not really needed other than to line the pockets of the school by charging students way more for the chance to have a real English speaker in the class room. But I am meeting more and more Teens with darn good English yet I am the first Foreigners they have had a full conversation with.
But your point is valid, find what you can do for China and grace will be given.
Well said!
Well actually it has to work both ways .
Klaa2 Tap water is safe in China if you boil it. Medical healthcare in general is better than in Europe (faster, cheaper, you can see professionals much easier rather than having appointments with nurses and there’s way less holidays when the only option would be coming to an ER). My personal experience of healthcare comparing home and China would be that in China I will be well taken care of while at home I may wait for a 3-4 months to see a specialist doctor (not a GP). Cannot comment on healthcare in terms of terminal illnesses though. Totally agree with the rest
Well said.
*In America, you get classed as an illegal alien. XD*
In China I am classed as an alien and have 24 hours to register at a police station....The Reality is I stay with friends when in china and not at a hotel so I have to register....many large signs telling the aliens to register..lol...
Peter W in America, Obama has deported more illegal immigrants than any other president in the history of the union.
That is a LIE. Don't get your 'facts' from Left-Wing lying democrat media.
FYI: America is the ONLY country in the world with OPEN borders! Thanks to worthless lazy morons called democrats.
You don't know what the word "illegal" means, do you?
FYI: ALL countries have LAWS against "illegal" immigration. Oh yes, including CHINA. You moron.
Marky Polo I don't want to talk to you.
PRC has being lenient with C class foreigners for many years cuz in the past the government consider them as some kind of cultural ambassador, a window for the Western world to know more about China and also help Chinese civilians understand what the west is like.
But since the number of Chinese students studying abroad increased exponentially, there is no need for C class foreigner anymore. Why go to Starbucks when u have ur own coffee machine :$
and yet, Starbucks is very popular. Everyone that drinks Starbucks has a coffeemaker, yet it is building more stores to meet demand. There is a parallel here somewhere
well maybe the analogy is kinda inappropriate. More like "why buy film tapes for your old Kolda when your friend just bought you a digital camera? "
Quality. Like vinyl records
Jay Theyme lmao you just reminded abt my childhood experience. One of my American English teacher at EF went to community college and didn't even graduate... He was a pretty chill dude but if I were to hire an American teacher for my kid I'd probably expect he or she to have at least 2000 SAT score and a bachelor's degree from a prestigious university. McDonalds workers can't teach proper English and I don't want my kids to think of America the way C class foreigner portraits
Thats great but look at the amount of unskilled chinese that the western world accepts and doesn't insult them either.
Guys it's their country, they can do what they want. You are GUEST in THEIR country.
Wait a moment, guest is the one who is invited by the host. but who invited these people, then?
Try telling that to the Chinese overseas. They act like they own the place.
This wouldn't be a problem if we were allowed to extend the same "courtesy"
China needs skilled or rich foreigners to contribute to the economy. There is nothing wrong with the system.
When I play Age of Empires 2 with the Chinese on my world map, I extend the Great Wall to cover Central Asia and the Himalayan passes up to the Mekong. This way no foreigners can enter unless they pass my gates. The Mongols do anyway.
i am a foreigner overseas in western country. If you take a look at work visa regulations in western countries, they are more stringent and strict.
I personally think is a good step for China. Today most of the country in the world already make those kinds of "selections", sometimes officially, some others times more undercover... But still doing it.
Here in Shanghai, where I live, some foreigners always complaining about China, there are never happy about them situation, they don't want to learn a bit of Chinese culture/language... They don't stay here because they enjoy it, but they just stay here for the money that they can make here and they don't know which different thing to do...
And on the opposite side, there are some others foreigners loving China, but have hard time to find job cause of the reputation of foreigners on those last years...
There are just too many unskilled Africans in Canton（Guangzhou）. and a lot of them are illegal immigrants.
广州确实太多黑人了！！！
And they a lot of Chinese in Africa (unskilled too) but we do not treat them like crap or discriminate them. However, China does not do the same but discriminates African students that are studying in China , sad state of affairs.
That's what all western country do, classify work permit into categories.
Yeah, this isn't exclusive to China and I don't disagree with that particular system. Just some questions are kind of weird...
Sure thing, but when China does that, it's wrong and racist. Look at who those two clowns have changed towards China after that new system.
I don't mind a classification system. What I do mind is that the questionnaire is so utterly simplisticly put together. Something only a bureaucrat would think up from behind his desk.
Your Location: Middle of Nowhere 16 points. Man they sure want you to keep out of sight .
Thanks Matt... i was just thinking about. can you give a link to that test you were referencing?
Forgive the trollers.
JaYoe Nation!
hah yea... i figured.. some people have too much time on their hands.
the JaYoe Nation I like your vlog. Very interesting.
thanks boss
I think it's more focused on reducing the number of unskilled laborers like house cleaners, au pairs, builders and factory workers coming in from less developed economies rather than westerners who teach or do business. China has also changed their Hukou system allowing more intercity migration for Chinese citizens. Sure it will increase the number of illegal unskilled workers, but it's a step to prepare themselves for further internal growth. From what I have seen so far, it doesn't really affect westerners at all (aside from being able to use the card to register for more Chinese services which is a plus really).
Yow ! You're giving me bad memories of 2010 when I was in China only knowing about 800 characters. So if I could get up to HSK 5 HERE in the US, I wouldn't need to go there. The ONLY reasons I would want to be there is to know the language better and to get to eat Chinese food every day. The restrictions were bad enough in 2010. To think they are worse now -- YOW !!!
China still need a lot of native English speaking foreigner teachers ,but in first line cities ,the foreigners are full ,so China government encourage those foreigners who don't hold a degree to some undeveloped places to work .
Milk may be C, but class is definitely A
haha slick
he is F for sure
In another video he classified himself as B-Milk. (My word. 😁)
C- Milk is definitely WT class ( Wh*te Tr*sh )
"Shame! Your presence hurts the feelings of the Chinese People"
Subtle..
So basically all the developed countries have a filter system for immigrants but people are shocked because China is doing it ? In fact China’s criteria is far less strict than developed countries when it comes to getting a work permit. A few years ago people with few qualifications or experience could easily find a job and stay, particularly teachers. It’s about time they implement some standards, attract and retain talent.
I expect the main motivation isn't to stop North American/West European/Australian type visitors as most will probably get at least a 'B' rating. The new classifications are probably to make it difficult for African/Middle Eastern/SE Asian visitors. One thing that was obvious during my time in China, was the degree of antipathy to darker skinned people. This is probably just formalising it, without naming it. That said, as pointed out, most developed countries have strict working and PR visa requirements. The difference is western countries have significant refugee intakes of people who won't otherwise qualify. To the best of my knowledge, China doesn't have any significant refugee intake program.
i done already my last work permit extension.Just 5 month then i switch to US.
China is a nice Country but the people still needs a view years to become more sozial educated.The quick economy rise had there price.From kind nice people to money focused,heartless rude people.After 5 Years iam happy to leave.The best i took from China is my wife.
Be satisfied man. Every Chinese citizen is class D while foreigner can reach A B C.
Man gotto say that I loved your new american reporter laowhy86 is presenting the news from China style video. Quite interesting actually.
It's nothing much different than say Canada where if you are unskilled it's very hard to enter and work, while if you are top tier, they will take you with open arms. Same for the US. Hell, it's like that in most countries, different within EU or some other... maybe British Commonwealth or former colonies, I dunno, but for most- class system for foreigners exists
The foreigner are not only the from the developed country. Do you konw there are 300,000 aferica illegal immigrant living in GuangZhou? As many people from South Asia in Yunnan and GuangXi as well. China is not a immigrant country. It's pretty hard for governement to suddenly handle so many foreigners since it never happened before. I believe they are trying to study the policy from Canada and U.S which have handle this kind of stuff for hundreds of years.
Be real! You need more than this to get a working visa in the US and Switzerland!
It's not just China that does this. Although countries don't give class names to people who want to immigrate, they give preference to professionals, and working peoples.
Any country will be happy to welcome you for tourism, but as for living inside their country, they're really right to pick who can and who cannot
So what are the actual benefits of being a class A foreigner vs. B or C? Sounds like as long as you get the visa there's no real difference apart from bragging rights.
I didn't ask what the difference is, I asked if there are benefits to being an A class foreigner vs. B/C (beyond just being "safe" as you put it). Sounds like English isn't your first language.
Mark J and so what if English isn't someone's first language?
I don't care, unless you call someone retarded because you didn't understand their question.
He just told you the benefit though - you get a Visa while the other classes are being weeded out.
You call him retarded but you did not even understand the question. This is why this world is so fucked up...
I have mixed feelings about it as well. I work all around the UK atm and I see so many other foreigners who just seem to be here for the 'free ride' as the guy calls it.
I do however love the irony in the fact that this class system is being implemented in a supposedly communist country hahaha I guess some animals are indeed more equal than others ;)
What?
In 1 year I finish my degree, then I just need to learn some Chinese (enough for HSK 2) and then move to the middle of nowhere and I'll be "A tier"
China has been treating foreigners especially if they come from western countries as prestigious visitor, because it suffered a long time of disasters since the opium war with Britain. Now, the situation of implementing foreigners into categorization just show China intends to filter foreigners that the country needs.This can be perceived as an upgrade regarding the current development of China. Meanwhile, some short-term visitors just want to make quick money there and keep complaining about what they experienced in China, so Chinese people dislike this phenomenon among this group of foreigners. Last, there are more oversea Chinese students who can substitute these unskilled foreign labors with better understanding of Chinese circumstance. Long story short, Chinese society is fast developing, but many foreigners may not be eligible for the country's demand.
His is how immigration should be. Singapore has been able to attract talent with this kind of policy.mi dont think china needs low class worker they have enough people, for that, and if you dont classified as higher class foreigner then what use do you have aside from using up resources
***** start deporting people with money that come to buy houses? or start deporting people who work there with credible degree from university, either way i support both measure so better do it now
***** go ahead and do it, but you cant just like you cant ban muslim from entering and build wall to deter mexican
***** hahhahahah, chinese export are dropping because the world economy is not good. also china has been pushing itself out of export driven economy for quite sometimes, and for you to know the government has been trying to push a lot of low key industry out of china too that is why you will find some chinese owned companies in south east asia and even as far as africa producing cheap goods like clothing or plastic ware or kitchen utensils
LIBTARD SLAYER yea right we have
The water looks so fucking gross
Huh? It's typical big river runoff water. The Mississippi and Ohio rivers are the same shade of shit brown.
Doesn't only happen in China. It's like that in Thailand as well.
Really awesome intro, I'm loving these drone shots. I wish we would have got a bit more of your opinion in the video to go along with the other 2 guys!
10:15 Belgian Beer drinkers get a Class A label, strait away. No doubt about it !!! (Vedett, Duvel, Maredsous) :-)
主要是吸引高素质人才来中国。随着中国经济的发展，越来越多外国人来华工作学习生活，随之也带来了一些问题，中国政府为解决这些人的后顾之忧，才会有这样的政策，“中国绿卡”制度。
这个制度本来就是北美的，加拿大，美国都是这个系统。
One more reason I appreciate you, Winston's and ADVChina's videos, as I will never be able to visit there myself.
I think it's important to understand that in mainland China the use of "foreigner" or any other terms that sound unfriendly are not due to some sort of attitude towards non-Chinese, it's simply because of bad interpretation/translation. Local gov in HongKong, on the other hand, does not have this problem for obvious reason. I don't know how long cmilk has been in China but a bit of empathy would be good to avoid misunderstanding.
Great system. UK needs a similar system. Who wants poor, low skilled, society suckers coming to your country. Actually like Australia's point based system.
Kind of a bit racist to keep calling you 'foreigner'. In England if you lived and worked here for ten years and could speak the language and people referred to you as a foreigner then it would be considered quite distasteful.
yankeydoodle101 talk this to my Jersey friend. U are a good actor btw
It is merely a difference in culture. It is not always meant will ill-intentions.
It is sad for you,just some people favor the Chinese goverment can really get the Chinese citizenship.
You can try to learn the 司徒雷登。
I’ve lived in England for more than ten years and I still consider myself foreigner and don’t mind other people calling me such (why not?) I’m here for work and the idea for me to become English is just ridiculous. And I do hope foreigners in China won’t naively think they will become Chinese (at least not until they are 100% culturally assimilated.)
Congrats on your Grade B foreigner badge, C-milk!
Uk just came in with a system like this.. gone are the days of British nationals not having jobs. Great news for the young British boys struggling to find work. Hopefully will see a decline in drugs and violence too! There won’t be any excuses for these young lads not to be working soon. Thank god. I’m excited for a bright future here in the UK 🇬🇧
7:09 "SHAME!" shame on you! Shame on your family! Shame on your cow! Thats soo Mulan. I understand this is a really serius topic, but everything sound to me so subrealist.
What a world. Good luck everyone
I totally agree with that policy. We don't wanna low quality people to come china. You know, some people always be complaining and rude in china. Got them out.
Haonan Ran I recall once when driving in Vancouver, I was about to make a right turn when 3 well dressed professional looking men casually ignored the don't walk signal, preventing me from making my turn, but at the same time a scruffy looking guy with long hair pushing a shopping cart looked up, noticed the don't walk signal, and waved for me to go first. Although I acknowledge we all judge people by their appearance, having money does not make one a more worthy human being; some of the most belligerent, selfish people are wealthy (not always of course).
Basically they want people to contribute to society and help their country improve. I think every country is that way. They are just being more blunt about it. I don't see the problem. Every country needs this system. I don't think the type of university should matter though. There are very intelligent people at "no name" schools
This type of system would shy away people that are very rich that just want to retire there or live there for x amount of years and spend their money there though.
China is a place of connections. The value of Ivy League schools and the like is that all the people there are _really_ smart people and you rarely see a cohort like that in real life. Every graduate from my university has been depressed by this very fact and we all cling together as a result.
China wants to dip into those social circles. They don't want singular smart people, they want the entire network. Those individuals who are really smart at no name schools... I've met quite a few and they were always loners at their schools.
It is very hard to go from a developed country to China (whatever it may be). If the government wants to make it harder, OK. There is a marked difference in some societies that "get" the western mindset - and live it - versus countries that install a brick wall around their minds in regards to who you are and where you come from. In my experience, choose the former for longer term residence, and the latter for photo tours.
what is wrong with calling a foreigner a foreigner?
Maybe they prefer "Alien".
The kicker is we're still referred to as foreigners when they visit or move to my country. I believe foreigner just means "not Chinese." My blood was boiling when someone made that reference the first time. "I've lived here all my life, and you're calling ME the foreigner?" Lol.
Fantastic, get rid of the scum hanger on'ers who do nothing but whine about China.
Besides the typical arrogant condescending criticism from SerpantZA, he actually looks a little nervous, struggling on the score card there maybe?
He's on a marriage visa with income from Patreon, that's the last I heard anyway, so this new system doesn't include him, unless he wishes to go back on to a work visa.
There was a rumor online that 'shanghai's foreigners look down the foreigners in other Chinese cities'
When i went to china the landing card i had to fill out called foreigners Aliens lol
indeed a lot of C class wanderers ... when I was in uni some people stayed wandering in Dorms doing not much even after graduating for a long a time before ....and they cause trouble this was so difficult i myself had a situation of a crazy guy climbing and entering my dorm at 2 am in the morning from the balcony .... a wanderer alcoholic
That really sucks!
indeed :) 好久不见
Warning it's a fake account
It's not Laowhy86 -> just hover your mouse on top of his name account and it shows zero subscriber and he got zero video posted
From China with LOVE :*! Lool class C foreigner like laowhy86 and serpentza
哈哈，我也看了这个新闻，给外国人给外国人分级٩(●˙▿˙●)۶…⋆ฺ
My dad's a multimillionaire and does occasional business in China; according to this he's a class C foreigner thought lol
OMG I LOVE THE SONG THAT PLAYED IN THE BEGINNING OF YOUR VIDEO. I LISTEN TO IT EVERYDAY ON MY WAY TO SCHOOL ON MY PHONE.
It's thinning the herd. Similar to what Donald Trump ran his campaign, rather successfully. Good luck.
absolutely and thats the reason why majority of his voters are less educated white americans...
And here comes the identity politics train! WOO, WOO!
Trump is right. He is not talking about hardening policies, but only *enforcing* the existent ones.
Not quite. Trump has nothing against immigrants coming to America, but he wishes for them to at least be documented. There is a difference between documenting an individual and attempting to classify them upon their worth. I do not personally agree with kicking the one who are already here out of the country, but these particular situations are distinctly different.
3.14159265358979323846 26433832795028841 -- Putting a filter on immigration happens a lot, Trump is doing nothing new.
atleast they dont do it based on race ....like in US...😂
As someone who moved to the US, the same applies; getting a US work visa you're given a score based on a similar variety of things.
What do they define as an ivy league equivalent? The Chinese ranking ranks some California schools like UC Berkeley really high compared to the US ranking, where as other schools like Washington University in St. Louis are good in the U.S. but not known outside. This seems very vague.
I’m sure all Chinese are class F in America now!
In the Chinese Quora "zhihu ", there has already been enough discussions about this topic. Many of them support this policy. Many people from English speaking countries are just teaching English in china, and they get much better salaries than Chinese local people, it's quite unfair for locals.
People complain about things in every country Mark, native or otherwise. No country is anywhere close to perfect, and mentioning that from time to time when it's relevant is not a good reason to have someone deported.
Mark Masterton speaks fairly for the facts with true Brit honesty and common sense. Hope everyone will find the new system works better for them.
Obtaining a degree is not an over demanding requirement. Different from Western countries, China does not need any blue collar skilled workers. China needs high skilled and experienced white collar professionals. So bachelor degree is a minimum prerequisite.
and here I thought they were calling me "classy"... 😞
Seems very sensible. Around here people would drop their jaw at the mere suggestion.
I think China is smart to class their foreigners. The US should grade its potential immigrants and foreigners.
A country needs to do 3 things.
1 Accept only the right number of foreigners.
2. Accept only the best or most in demand foreigners.
3. Foreigners that are willing to live under the laws of the host country.
A country should not compromise on this. .
this is my view
"Salary base grading system will force company and employee to declare higher salary (while most of the company pays gray (half cash half bank) to avoid higher taxing issue this rules may increase higher tax collection and will discourage the company to hire foreigners."
That is NOT true. Countries like United States, Canada and Australia NEVER rank immigrants according to where they want to live and this is why there is so many immigrants concentrated in all the largest metropolitan cities instead of forcing them to go to all the remote areas which they actually should.
Finally I was able to buy conquering southern China !! I really can't wait to finally watch it thank you and Winston for making great content :D
great!!!
i enjoy the intro of you on that roof with the milk poured beside you, the music is also fitting of it.
I'm Russian so I'm top of the list in China. We are political, military and economic allies.
People don't realize this but this hurts the growing rate for China dramatically. If this sticks around it will benefit countries in the West who currently have declineing populations and more kind immigration policy.
As a class Z Chinese, I have to say, get used to it! We Chinese are classified too.
China has a large population ...It is not an immigrant country....China's immigration policy is to achieve the purpose of attracting the talents they need...To filter out people who don't need..You know, the number of foreigners in China has increased rapidly over the years.This should be an important reason for the implementation of the new immigration policy
The talents always moves with opportunities and capital..China has these conditions..In recent years China's foreign population increased dramatically.International migration report (2015).In the "most attractive foreign nationals living in the country or region" ranking.China's overall ranking third.Over the United States, Japan, France and the United Kingdom, etc.In a survey of foreigners.China's foreigners economic status indicators ranked first（Including income, wealth and disposable income, etc.） China's foreigners making more than $250000 chance of more than four times the global average(China is 29%, the global average ratio is 7%)..Obviously, We already knew where to had the opportunity and the future .
我快笑死了，外国高素质人才但凡会说点中文会被限制吗？就是些白垃圾和讨厌中国还在这边坑小姑娘的灰紧张吧哈哈。。
Trash should stay out of China.You are not a class A foreigner how do you know they don't come to China?If you have ever been to Shenzhen Shanghai these big cities you would find a lot of talented working with Chinese earning then folds the money they would get if they were in their country including first world countries.Chinese companies are pretty generous on putting money into attracting A class foreigners.
even with no chinese language skills, no work experience in china, and making the lowest income bracket I would still qualify as class b as long as I lived in a rural area.
Wow that shot of Hangzou in the start. I literally don't remember what sunlight looks like. I really love northeast USA weather....
Just redid my visa, and ended up with A category. wowo.
Good report, you can't help to notice that almost everything in the US is made in China. I hope these restrictions on immigration are temporary. Based on your "Conquering Southern China' video, China still looks mostly rural and many opportunities for development and employment will emerge.
your videos have gotten a lot better
Class A (if you meet the condition of either one below):
Selected by China talent import plan
Internationally recognized rewards
Scarce jobs encouraged by Chinese government
Innovative and Entrepreneurial Talent
Selected by the Youth-Talent project
Personal comprehensive quality - score >85 points
Class B (your job must be one open for foreign expat), and then you have to meet the condition of either one below:
You have Bachelor or higher degree and 2 years full time related work experience.
Master degree from any university in Mainland China (with outstanding graduation certificate)
Master degree from any world top 100 universities
For foreigner teach in China, you should have Bachelor or higher degree and 2 years full time teaching experience, and you can only teach your native language
Personal comprehensive quality - score 60-84 points
Don't consider Class C since it makes you useless.
Amazing editing!
I wish America and the rest of the West ranked immigrants and foreigners according to their worthiness to society as a whole. Good for China for keeping undesirable foreigners out. Why should a society take in those who don't contribute? Immigration isn't a right.
This is similar to immigration in the US and many other developed nations. I cannot blame them for wanting to attract talent in order to further increase their growth and limit those that have less potential or lower productivity potential.
In China they classify their cities in tiers. In USA if you call Kansas City 3rd tier, people will get all upset.
C-Milk I think there was something missing on that grading chart. At the top it should read give the person that is grading/doing your paperwork a couple thousand Yuan and you will receive the top score.
There's a red envelope sleeve hidden underneath the salary question xD
While a lot of it seems true, the comment about how the US does stuff to that extend is wrong. I go to a large school with entire dorms for foreign students and some of them don't speak english at all. I honestly give them the utmost credit for taking notes and tests in a language they need to translate on the fly
They have the right to do it, its not like anyone is forcing you to go to China. Doing it with their own citizens would be terrible though :)
If you wanted to know whether someone was doing skilled or unskilled labor, why don't you ask what kind of work they're doing? With that information, maybe you could even do something as radical as allowing foreigners depending on if China is in need of more workers with their specific skills.
Want 1984? I can't hang one of those little pine tree deodorizers from the rear view mirror in my vehicle without being stopped by the police and ticketed. (Last time that happened *TWO* prowlers pulled me over in my F150!)
Welcome to collectivist... *VERMONT!*
Applying for a tourist visa to China is still very easy. Class A B C I am pretty sure is for people who want to live in China for a long term. Like any other country, of course, it will be stricter.