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Single largest problem with Australian rugby is that just about everyone forgets these issues have been present in Australian rugby for 10 plus years. It needs way more than a coach change.
Keep Eddie. It's been the most entertaining press conferences in years.
Indeed, I have watched his last 2 in their entirety waiting for him to say "If you ask that question again, I will excuse myself.". Legend 🤣
He’s painful and unprofessional. Hubris is the word.
Thanks for all you're hard work Eddie, we couldn't have achieved all we did without you- The NRL
Andrew Mehrtens I will never forgot those middle fingers you gave to the crowd back in 1999. I was in the crowd as a boy, my father said he was pointing to God. Since I never knew what he was doing.
it was the index finger a la jeff thomson wasnt it? same meaning obviously
I've heard the opinions of a number of Aussies and many of them believe that rugby union in Australia is now a sport played by the affluent private schools and unless it's made mainstream and easily accessible to every Australian kid regardless of their social status then it's gonna be very difficult to get back to the glory days. I believe Aussie rules, league and even soccer are now way more popular than rugby union in Australia. Even women's netball has a huge following there. Sad considering that Australia is one of the traditional powerhouses of the game. Afterall, they have won 2 world cups.
Australia still has (at least) twice the amount of players and clubs as Wales. Even if Union is lagging behind in popularity relative to other codes within Australia, it still is one of the bigger and more affluent unions compared to other rugby union playing nations. And the Wallabies still fill stadiums with young and engaged fans. They have all the resources to win the world cup, it's a matter of managing them right
I hate to say it but Rugby League is a better game. I prefer union because it means more to me especially on the international stage but boy they could learn a thing or two from union. The Ball was in play for 27 min in Ireland vs SA, its in play DOUBLE that time in an average NRL game. It is why union gets so much hate here because of the comparisons between Union and League made all the time since Union is so slow compared. There's a reason there have been all these new law changes to speed up the game in the past 3 years - they have all originated in Australia and NZ because of the NRL.
I have no doubt if the wallabies start winning again support will come but it's tough to see them ever getting back to a consistently top 3 rugby nation.
@@GRB-tj6uj I hope the Wallabies return to the good old glory days of Larkham & Gregan. A strong Australia is good for the game.
@petergrifin1958 Agree. I'm a casual RU viewer (mainly follow football, Liverpool FC) and I think because I dip in and out of it I notice the changes more. RU is a completely different sport to the much more open running game I first saw. As you said, slow, attritional, huge players, constant stoppages. I think Aussies have the lowest tolerance for this type of play among RU nations due to having a contrast with RL (no other RU nation has this contrast, as altho RL is also played in England it's not high profile nor does it have the quality of the NRL). I watched that NRL final and thought "any Aussie kid watching this ain't gonna tune in to RU"...the back play in RL is constant (RU has barely any now), and so stars are created (Cleary), in contrast to RU which has no stars as players cannot shine like they used to. Im Irish, and that Ireland vs South Africa game was a dreadful 80 minute arm wrestle (most games now tend to be). Unless they do something about the gameplay of RU it is finished in Australia and is in big trouble elsewhere (four English club teams have folded)..
As a Springbok fan... please keep Eddie.. good for a laugh. Remember people.. we had Pieter De Villiers😂😂
Wallabies good for a laugh too. Match made in heaven. I hope we can get back to somewhere near a Tier 1 nation one day.
@@ipanda9000You will. We won a World Cup after the disaster that was Pieter de Villiers.. and of course that loss to Japan which still brings tears to our eyes
great segment i really enjoyed it.
great discussion. agree on dave rennie getting a hard deal. let's see where oz are in 4 years.
Australia,years ago, sang Waltzing Mathilda, and did quite well.!!
Good to see Andy Ellis getting into the punter scene! He was an intelligent player so should be a great Punter when he gets the experience!
He does seem terrified to have an opinion an anything, in case he offends somebody. Not sure he understands how punditry works 😑
@@mrchico2621 we had a guy in Canada named Don Cherry who was a hockey pundit and his producer told him to never say "i think" because whatever you say is right or why do we have you?
@MrClean-ms4nx no could accuse Don Cherry of being afraid to share his opinion, though come on.
@@mrchico2621 A lot of the ex kiwi players are a bit too humble to the point where they sit on the fence most of the times. Very few Kiwi pundits tell you what they truly feel. John Kirwan is one of the few exceptions. He calls a spade a spade.
@@IAMJEFFREY-cw9ns That's more of a cultural aspect of NZ though isn't it? JK bucks the trend, Kiwis in general don't put their necks out as part of the Tall Poppy, don't show off culture. Not good or bad, but a creation of their home environment.
Aussie here. It's clear that EJ is past his prime as national head coach and also struggles to handle the pressure, including that of press conferences. When you think about it, as head coach he's recognised for 3 RWC games: 1. au v NZ 2003 2. Japan v SA 2015 3. eng v NZ 2019. That's all. And success he had in 2003 and with Brumbies before then - he was riding on the coattails of Rod Macqueen. He should do ok coaching a Japanese club team; enjoy that Eddie - bye bye!
Australia deserve better. I miss the days the wallabys were a competitive team of great players.
@@jasonsmith3573 thanks mate ... so do I. But, last night's NRL grand final was a brilliant game - as was the AFL final the day before 😉
@@footyfinkeep going the path of america and pretending you're great at a sport only your country plays😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
could have hired Jones to take over after the World Cup, like NZ did with Robinson.
From a welsh fan. Australia need to keep Eddie Jones give him more time they will come good again they showed glimpses of a good side its just gonna take some time .Australia could be right up there in the next world cup they have to get behind Eddie Jones
Saffer here…World Rugby needs a strong Australia. Looking forward to an amazing bunch of youngsters coming through for Australia, go Aus, we need you.
They're coming through alright... and joining the NRL
NZ are instrumental in this. SA had to read in the news that they were ousted of the super rugby. Justice served.
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UP the Mighty All Blacks 💪
You can't completely blame Eddie Jones on Australia and England look at the English clubs they are struggling financially that's not Jones fault and when they do they are going to France like Arundell after the WC .
Australian Rugby is truly embarrassing at the moment but remember Australia is the only country in the world that has 4 football codes all competing for the same athletes. There is so much competition in a small pool of talent.
Eddie had 12 months to unsink the Titanic that is Australian Rugby. At least we got a few good sound bites and memes as the ship went under
Aussie here, he has to go
Keep that team till the next world cup. The hurt of this world cup will drive and make them a force to be reckoned with at the next one being at home.
I recognise Mehrtens - what a great player for the All Blacks. Is that Justin Marshall with him? Agree with everything Mehrtens said.
It is Andy Ellis, another great Crusader and RWC winner
nice shot of Big Jim's bald spot ;)
Andrew Mehrtens is spot on
Love eddie
As a New Zealand supporter I miss the old rivalry when Australia use to be a powerhouse. A competitive Australia side will also improve NZ rugby. Lopsided scores will leave NZ undercooked against tougher South African and northern hemisphere teams. NZ is also in danger of going the same direction as Australia if we can't encourage more kids to play rugby. There was a time when NZ use to win the U20's world cup every year but haven't won it for nearly a decade. More kids are choosing basketball and rugby league and crowds at games continue to decline. I remember even ten years ago when NZ dominated we were warned it won't last forever.
Can Jim not find any t shirts that fit him? 😂
Hes 6’8
True story
Eddie Jones. 5 year plan. Free Swing. This will end well
'Home' Jim ... the answer is 'Home' 🤪
Life is life. Today you may be king, tomorrow you may be the jester. Eddie has done so much for world rugby over time, give him the benefit of the doubt. He has been around long enough to be given the chance to blood a bunch of young future talent to get Aussie rugby back to being a force to be reckoned with. Give the man the space you would appreciate to have when you have rebuild from such a back slide as Australian rugby have suffered. They are one of the best teams in the world when they are firing on all cylinders. Only a fool will write the Aussies off. Bad bad mistake. Allow them the freedom they so desperately need to build a tough squad again.
I think... I think Australia have to follow through with Jones. Jones is right in needing to start fresh with young blood, but the timing was horrible. Few months before a world cup? And that's not Jones fault, he's just doing the job he was hired to do. This is the fault of Australian rugby union..... they shouldn't have removed Rennie right before a world cup.
HOME!
Come on wales!!!!
Now all we need is Scotland and Ireland to 'get the right result' to send the Springboks packing @@morgandunn8163
I'm not sure why Jim started by saying that Eddie has lost the changing room. I haven't seen evidence of that.
Maybe the skipper sitting next to him giving some funny looks, but I agree with you, not like he was acting like eddie stinks
If he hasn't lost it - it's because he never had it
Aussie here. It's clear that EJ is past his prime as national head coach and also struggles to handle the pressure, including that of press conferences. When you think about it, as head coach he's recognised for 3 RWC games: 1. au v NZ 2003 2. Japan v SA 2015 3. eng v NZ 2019. That's all. And success he had in 2003 and with Brumbies before then - he was riding on the coattails of Rod Macqueen. He should so well coaching a Japanese club team; enjoy that Eddie - bye bye!
Andy ellis classic talking head stuff. Zero substance. Eddie genuinely believed he could nick this World Cup by just shining some of his brilliance onto this playing group
Portugal have a good 7s side a good basis to start. They appear better than Italy.
What the hell mert's, you've shrunk heaps 😂
"I feel he has a plan.".......
After what he did to England since 2019 Rugby Australia were mad to bring Jones in as head coach. You could do worse than letting him do all the reorganisation they need at youth level, but not as a head coach.
Fiji is too inconsistent to outmuscle England
Having said that they (Fiji) seem to play to the quality of the opposition based on their recent performance
I think Australia need to restructure their whole setup, from grassroots to international teams. They've lost their identity and culture around rugby. Sacking Eddie Jones won't fix that. BTW, Fiji won't beat England. Not after seeing how poorly they played against Georgia (who, by the way, defended brilliantly).
I mean they most probably wont beat England but can a team not just have a bad game?
Oph! Hard truths here against Georgia 😰They might beat England. I HOPE.
Damn bit extreme
They beat England a little over a month ago at Twickenham
When Fiji have a bad game, they tend to have a very bad game. They have the habit to turn into a parody of themselves in those situations. So that game isn't necesarily a good indicator for the quarter final. If they fix their line-out (or at least not throw it to the damn back) they have a good platform against any team: scrum, discipline, breakdown and kicking.
Australia can sort their own team out, one thing to remember....the last time a Kiwi went to help the wallabies....the ARU sacked him heartlessly. Karma.
It's impossible being a Rugby fan in Australia
The worse thing was he ruined everything that Dave Rennie did instead making small changes. For one for me he had no idea about Super Rugby that well when he took over. He left alot of talent out he did even take 3 best jumpers Australia have got none of them. He took 4 long term injured player to the world cup who played 1 to 2 games all year were not inform and not fit enough to play and he took 2 players who did not earn his spot in the Australian side. He bought in a 18 year old who should been part of the under 21 side at the moment. At no time does he give any chance of sponsorship or bringing Australian rugby fans back to the game. The worse thing will be he only thinks one way and I don't think he can change. Difference with Dave and Eddie is the fact that Dave can adapt Eddie can't.
Most of the injuries to key players such as Ikitau, Alan, Pete samu, Hooper Tom banks didn' t help either
Maybe Australia should go for Jake White,where is he by the way? 🤔🤔🤔
As if Aust rugby success depends on one man. Did Graham Henry win 2011? The sport is in diabolical state, poor ratings, too many super teams, racking up losses & loads of debt. The climb out of this valley is going to take a long long time
No one gave a toss when Wales were imploding...you left your Leaders at home
If I was a New Zealander, I wouldn't care in the slightest. I am an Englishman, and I don't care in the slightest. 😂
USA "not that good"? WE ARE AWFUL!! didn't even qualify this time around....pathetic
That's a real shame because the US has a huge population and economy. They could do great things in the RU space. Giving the US the World Cup is most likely just to promote the game.
Why sand bag this world cup? Surely there are better choices???
Should rescedule tournaments to play against tier 2 ,mind you maybe tier 3 as they lose to tier 2 .
Penrith Panthers in the rugby league just won their third straight title in their fourth consecutive grand final appearance. They have something like an 80% win rate over the last four years. The blueprint for success is in your own backyard Rugby Australia. Learn as much as you can from that club and the systems they have in place
England will go for drop goals
someone somewhere Name it
Eddie's not getting the besy out of his players. That's Eddy and it won't improve. He should step down after the World Cup.
He won't u got 2 sack him
Australia should be more realistic, if they took more of the Brumbies players (that topped Super Rugby) then they have people who are consistently winning games and have better combinations. Sprinkle top-tiered players playing around the world then Wallabies will be more successful. Booyah!!!
Who is the commentator on the right hand side? Seems rather eager to defend Eddie Jones and the Wannabies.
Eddie has been the worst thing to happen to Australian rugby since like I can't even remember. The board gave him free rein, hoping he'd wind back the clock, but all he's done is drop the clock and break the spring. Enthusiasm for rugby in Australia is officially dead. Eddie should never have been hired in the first place, but he's shat the bed bigtime, and Hamish gave him the laxatives.
As soon as I saw the nutjob squad he picked, this was always gonna happen. We've only got one good SR team over here, and for reasons known only to himself, Eddie systematically ignored it.
If this isn't rock bottom for Australian rugby, I'm scared to find out what is.
This senile grifter needs to disappear yesterday, and so does his corporate enabler. The damage they've both done is incalculable. We might as well gift the Bledisloe to NZ for the next hundred years.
Portugal by 10 points.
As an Aussie I could hardly have said it better myself!
The fact these pundits still want to give him a crack just beggars belief 😂 what does a man have to do to get fired… are we not holding coaches to account anymore? Insane.
Mate, summed it up pefectly. I would add that thw ARU seem hellbent on destroying the Brumbies, could be Phil "woh woh woh, what is he good for" still hates that the Brumbies. Sure seems like Eddie hates Australian Rugby.
You're delusional if you think Australian rugby is in a good place or going anywhere but down, with or without Eddie
Guarantee you that 3/4 of the Australian viewership is only aware of the rwc because of Eddie
Can I ask why your Chanel uses Sir JK image thumbnail?
As a Kiwi I like to hear his thoughts and Not an assumption from others using famous people as a conduit to open a video to only get someone else’s opinion.
Don’t get me wrong your videos aren’t the only ones that want to ride on the legends back for click bait!
This is my opinion so be kind in any replies to my opinion!
Or maybe this is the social media world we now live in 🤭😜😎
Its unfair to put it all on Eddie. If you dont live in Aus you wont realise that rugby here is fast declining which is very sad coz we have a glorious history in the sport but there's a lack of interest in the sport. Its getting smashed by Aussie rules, league, soccer and perhaps even basketball. Unless RA implements drastic changes I think Aus will become a 2nd tier nation for the foreseeable future.
Absolute rubbish Eddie Jones has dropped Australian rugby in it. He’s lying and got his back to the wall.
Listen to his interviews.
Hey Guys - the EJ/RA plan to roll over at this 2023 RWC in order to rebuild for 2027 was NEVER acceptable. It was unacceptable to WB rugby fans and unacceptable for a struggling code in Australia. And..... when Eddie arrived he said the plan was to "Smash and Grab" this 2023 RWC. Then after 4 straight losses that was suddenly dropped for "re-building with youth for 2027".
So he picked 10 players who, on form, did not deserve selection. Many of them are NOT young either. Younger better players were in fact left in australia. And most of the young players he did select have little/no future potential. Others were older proven Test duds. Add on EJ didn't select a single Test standard goal kicker for this RWC and only 2 fit props who are good at scrum time. WBs got exactly what they deserved imo
Where'd you guys get the gear local op shop,or homeless give aways-terrible hobo look.
He's got to go
Fiji won't win it though they are playing well, when it comes to the business end, the big team will turn it up several notches. QFs for Fiji.
Oz Ceo and team that fired Reenie and hired Eddie should have waited for the World cup and then made the decision, If Oz did perform. I believe they would have still would be in quarters if they kept Reenie. Eddie is good but not as good as Smith with the black ferns world champs, both had 12months to make changes and little chance of getting the cups. I am with Horan, SBW, JK we need to help our ANZAC brothers....
Where do they go from here? Back to their sheep
It goes to a semi-professional state within the next 5-10 years would be my guess.
and good riddance.
They did everything possible wrong.
We were helping but you didn't want Dave, bit rich to ask for our help now..
So nonchalant about a complete train wreck
3 auzi clubs plain and simple and covert some league player and tactics
He spouted the same old stuff about building building building.. good luck.. England is still playing with Eddies team anyway so we don’t stand a chance. Lol
Why do all pundits feel they need a good Australian side , but when wales have struggled last 2 years . Your all willing to shoot us welsh down ?...
How the hell can you say EJ is a good coach, then contradict that by saying he makes poor decisions. This is a WC rugby tournament , not a rugby tour where you can experiment , blood in new players etc,
Go on then. Mehrts and his face rings a bell but can't put a finger on his name...
Merthens should not be allowed within 100m of a mic.
It was him pushing for Super Rugby to be without SA teams. Where is he now? You don't hear from the smart mouth addressing the subject. Now the rest of NZ and Australia must suffer...
@@sbok9481 The other guy. Who is that?
Looks like Matt Gitteau
@@MatthewEbrey The one terrified to have an opinion? That's Andy Ellis 😏
@@mrchico2621Of course it is. Cheers.
What a load of crap, you don’t pick a side to develop in a World Cup for the following one, what a cop out.
I mean who else can coach them? We have had more coaches than wins over the last few years. dude in the middle says we have talent, really? Do we? I can't name half the team. Also, we would not have won the cup with the experienced players that were not picked anyway. Maybe we get further than the pool, but semis at absolute best. Fiji's are not contenders, yet.
Press conferences are crap. Get rid of them.
Eddie should have picked the best players available and rebuild with his young team after the WCup !!! Common Sense Really he has 4 yrs to do it not rebuild at a WCup Dumb !
Why you always blame the coach ?? He train them well, its the players who is faulty in the game !! Really ? Get them(players) off the team,if they just wanna run around,not giving their 100%...Eddie & co. must be strict ...the boys must stick to the game plan...finis & klaar !!
Andrew.mertherns 😂is.one of the problems.😢😢😢😢karma is a.bitch😅😅
Two presenters without shirts! Eddie has lost the dressing room! He has got to go! It's reminds of football!
Don't listen 2 what Eddie says his a joker
Start by calling the game Rugby and not footy.
Rugby Australia needs to apologise to Israel Folau....They are cursed
NZ has been extremely disrespectful towards South Africa the way they of ousted SA. Just hope they are totally humiliated in 2023 world cup.
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Fiji aren't contenders. They've been good but please stop with the smoke blowing. Noone team from Pool C and D are contenders
Its not "where does Australian rugby go from here?", it's where does RUGBY go from here?.
Why are there no stars in rugby? Because the gameplay is dull, attritional, forward dominated, brutish (players are now huge), very little open attacking play so nobody stands out anymore. It needs to change (speed it up, fewer subs (trimmer players) etc.
Sorry you guys,bvut "rugby" will see the end in 2030. What we see now is not "rugby", but stoppages and more stoppages. Maul whistle,maul whistle. The ball travels 30 meters away,then that silly dumb call, from the side,or the latest, around the corner. Fans pays to watch Bullshit.
More Aussie haters...its a bit boring guys...kick us while we're down
Yo settle we suck and it ain’t gunna change unless almost everything in the set up changes
That's what happens when you focus on games no one care about outside aussie
Cause ur a joke team
Australia will win rwc 2027
Eddie is not the problem. RA made the mistake of kicking Rennie out. Eddie is Eddie. In fact, Eddie is wiser than he was when leading England to a World Cup Final. Its interesting that the people criticizing Eddie hasn't even coached an Under-10 rugby team.
Even I as a SAFRICAN, understands what Eddie is trying to achieve. He has a certain caliber player in mind. If you don't fit, then he won't select you. He made a mistake by thinking he could still be successful without his experience players. Give him another year...
Eddie was making terrible decisions in England from 2020 onwards, playing over the hill players and being stubborn. England were dire in 2022.
@@2011hwalkerI hope you're not English. If you are, then is this Mr Bean?
England doesn't have the cattle to feed the National squad, unfortunately. You should know that. England Clubs are falling apart. Eddie went to visit English schools, not long ago to get an understanding what the problem was... he was surprised how bad it was. When he told you about it, everyone was defensive.
If Eddie was the problem, why doesn't Bordwick do a better job? In fact, he's worse.
Mate, played 10yrs of rugby in QLD.. The private school platform has ruined Australian rugby.. Add Eddie into the equation... Such a losing schedule. Such a shame. Waste of focus and talent. ARU...aren't really understanding
@@phoenix1473 My friend, Australia is a great sport nation. Can't see you being down for long...
@@sbok9481 Down for long? Country has been in rugby terms, for the longest. And I'm not Australian. Just a bad program here. Has been since the 80's and continues to be....friend.
Every decent assistant couch won't work with eddie the ego
Talent that's poorly led = 0
Then you recruit a Winger for 5M💲ffs.. ..
Ellis sounds as confusing as EJ .. ..🤥🤣😂🥱😴💤🤫