German parliament passes new immigration law to tackle shortage of skilled workers | DW News
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- The German Bundestag on Friday (June 23) finally passed a new immigration law reform designed to encourage more people from outside the European Union to come to Germany for work.
A major new innovation under the law is a new "opportunity card" and its associated points system, which allows foreigners who don't yet have a job lined up to come to Germany for a year to find employment.
A prerequisite for receiving a card will be a vocational qualification or university degree.
The cards will be awarded to those who fulfill a certain number of conditions, for which they will be awarded points: These could be German and/or English language skills, existing ties to Germany, and the potential of accompanying life partners or spouses on the German labor market.
The opportunity card will also permit casual work for up to 20 hours a week while looking for a qualified job, as well as probationary employment.
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"we need more skilled workers"
Or
"We need more minimum wage workers"
they're taking jobs away from Turks
They want engineers for minimum wage.
😂😂
Germany's skilled labor shortage, especially in the trades, is complex. It's not about minimum wage workers, but the need for trained professionals. Many Germans now prefer academic paths, leaving these crucial jobs unfilled. Attracting foreign talent is part of the solution, but respecting and fairly compensating these roles is also key.
both we need both
Summary:
- Germany pays less and further deducts high taxes. Social benefits received in exchange does not worth it
- Lack of housing, long waiting times in getting a doctors appointment
- No initiatives at ground level to retain and integrate skilled people
- People demotivate you if you don't speak perfect German
- Tooooo many unemployed people, a lot of people living for free with "bürgergeld"
- Inmigration policy: bringing a lot of people, but treating them as strangers
- Internationals are treated as if Germany is doing them a favor (it´s the opposite for people with ++studies and ++proffesional exp.)
- Easier for people with no preparation at all to get money from gov. than people with ++studies and ++proffesional exp.
- Very few actions against bureaucracy
Then don't apply. Nobody cares if you don't apply. Stay in India or Afghanistan, or wherever you come from. Luck.
@@alexalex-uq4cmer hat trotzdem recht du Clown
Ah you have your every point right! Dealt with those, left soon, and never ever again. Horrible EU country to live in, seriously. All I can remember is stress after bills after stress after bills, incompetent slow beureucracy, power abuse by authorities.
That are the important things for you!
For me, as german, it is actually more the character/sympathy thats count!
And i am glad to hear that at least this is a Circumstance that select some of those egoistic individuals out... 😉
You nailed it.
As a computer Scientist (University Master) doing many international projects and knowing the German market, i don't believe there is a shortage. German companies only want to pay high salaries to managers, but not to engineers or technicians. They can already hire people from Northern Sweden to Greece, from Portugal to Estonia, but no, they find nobody. Looking at the wages, looking to costs and all secondary circumstances, I am also not too motivated to come to Germany. They want cheaper labour, even from their own German University Master Engineers from Aachen, Karlsruhe oder Dresden. And they know the press will not ask any critical question, just repeat the mantra, shortage, shortage, shortage, so they get away with it. Yes, get them form India, Vietnam, Russia, where ever outside the EU, much easier to exploit and let them do over-hours, put them in boxes far in the suburbs without any culture and fun, since their families are far away anyway, they only will want to work to send money home.
So you'll stay between jobs
Unfortunately They can't afford fun at such a crucial stage !
Them performing better could be the difference between College Education or not for their siblings !
Or even improving living standards of entire family !
This is the same everywhere, no workers meaning: I don't want to pay...
its just slavery in a more dignified version !!
You are naive if you think that Engineers from Eastern Europe will work for less salaries than Germans in a time when also the wages in Eastern Europe increased a lot for Software Engineers, I have friends in Republic of Moldova and Romania which have 5 years of experience and make easily 3 000 euros netto monthly. I lived in Germany for almost 3 years, learned the language and after this left this country, my salary was bigger than the salary for my German colleagues because otherwise I didn't came. I left Germany because of big taxes, bad services and high cost of life, and their social state and left politic, and this was one of the best decision in my life.
The most of times people form Eastern Europe, Romania, Republic of Moldova, Ukraine are coming for higher salaries than Germans because they negotiate better, are more ambitious, and looking at salaries in Eastern Europe and what you can earn remote its not worth to come to Germany for a low salary.
"Shortage of skilled workers"
Maybe if your requirements weren't so ridiculous people could actually learn those skills.
not everyone wants/can learn to be a software engineer but for indians its either this or poverty so they are highly motivated meanwhile germans are protected by a socialist state. poor folk from other places gonna fill in those jobs they willing to work longer, harder and for less money.
Exactly. I know specialised Neurosurgeon whose education took 12 years, starting career at age of 33 at starting salary 2800 after tax.
As it should be for a surgeon, that is the minimal training 12 years.
@@val-schaeffer1117 Germany is bad for qualified people, because it is a social state with a left government, he should pick himself a true capitalistic country and he will make much, much more.
@@colleenpeck6347 no wonder Germans don't get into skilled professions
In my opinion, there is not skilled worker shortage but rather a shortage of skilled worker with German skills. Its not like everyone is employed in Germany already. It is so hard to get a job and many are unemployed to the point of being homeless, at least in Berlin, I see. Compared to Nordic countries, USA, UK, Canada etc. which are hotspots for skilled immigration, Germany pays less and further deducts high taxes, and additional radio tax and medical insurance fees every month. The Social benefits received in exchange may not be as worth it, for many people. I feel like its only in the news that skilled workers are needed. In reality, I do not see companies making any efforts, like holding placement drives or advertising openings or being open to skilled workers with less German fluency. Students still have to do food delivery jobs, waiting tables and washing utensils, cleaning jobs at restaurants. There should be focus to convert existing students into skilled labour for near future by ensuring all students have working student jobs that train them for future essential jobs. Increasing immigration without a clue , which job the person would do, and also a lack of housing, long waiting times in getting a doctors appointment and a gradual modification of authentic German culture, is not something wise in my opinion. While I highly appreciate the proactive regulations change regarding skilled labour immigration, I do not see any initiatives at ground level. I also saw a video which showed how Germany is facing a Brain Drain situation, where skilled German citizens are moving to other countries due to various reasons, one of which is bureaucracy. When immigrants come to Germany, they are not trained on how to handle bureaucracy, which is all complex and in German; and also immigrants are not taught about German laws and Culture, and many immigrants may not adhere to it unknowingly, and either disturb others or be in legal troubles themselves. Immigrant friendly initiatives are lacking in my opinion, although the people are often very kind and accepting, at least and workplaces and universities. I respect how diversity is taken seriously and opinions are respected even if not in agreement. Thank you , if someone read this. Comments on this are appreciated but not hate speech.
even if you have German skills and are the best you will be discriminated based on the colour of your skin. Their anti-discrimination laws are just toothless tigers and their bureaucracy ridiculous. For all the Labour office where doctors will just judge you as unfit for a full days job without even seeing you just to save unemployment payments. Again if you are from a developing country they will make it increasingly difficult for you to invite someone from your country for a few weeks. You will need an official invitation to be sent which costs around EUR 25,00 and should prove that you have an income level to support them.
Skilled immigrants? Most the immigrants the US takes in are uneducated, unskilled and unemployable.
@@janardhanparveshwar4307really true. That's exactly what works here!
Exactly! I am glad more people know this!
This is the Realität of Germany, and people's should must need to understand this point who is planning to come here. They need to pickup GDP and sustain their social contribute with skills manpower who take money along with them and without Single benefit pay them in the name of social contribution and after years they will create a environment for you back your home country with mental sickness and depression symtoms without job. In germany, Millionen of students who have high quality degrees, including phd, couldn't find jobs due to language. Language doesn't mean B1. You should be at the customer level😅. They won't organise placement drive and not even putting the efforts for those who are willing to work here simply language. Your master and phd. degree will be in the drainage, and you will end up with language and their beurocracy
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Language barrier, low payment, slower career progression, higher taxes, difficult to social adjustment might be a challenge for the workers.
They better pay me big money and find me a gorgeous German wife or else I'll be moving to the US.
@@Dankschonthat's not going happen lol I have been here 6 years still pays taxpayers like California bruh and thinking about getting german wife nah they are woke
@@Dankschon how many years you live in Germany
@@Unknown.F14 i want to come in Germany can you assist me
are you have a German Passport
Wow, the level of bureaucracy in Germany is astounding! That, plus the language barrier and their attitudes toward foreigners is horrible. They want to use the skills of foreign workers to benefit their economy for them to compete globally, but at the same time, they make it incredibly difficult for them to build a life there. You are being used during your peak years, with an uncertain future;
Racist country ..make no mistake.
Absolutely agreed
German businesses have the entire EU labor force through freedom of movement at their finger tips particularly high unemployment countries like Italy, Spain, Greece, France etc Something doesn't sound right.
They ar looking for people with IT skills specifically. The problem is that, there is shortage in those countries as well
Germans benefit handsomely from common goods market and customs union. The quid-pro-quo measure is common labour market, which Germans completely tend to ignore. Corporate Germany is 100% homogeneous. You would hardly ever find the EU candidates who technically are entitled to equal opportunity.
Hear hear
And they have at least 2 ways to leverage EU workers:
- one is to open branches or full new companies in EU countries, specially in Southern Europe or southwest Europe where likeness to anything north Europe is big;
- do induce campaigns to young workers, start by promoting more German language in school (Europeans usually have 2nd language and 3rd language studies);
- ramp up german culture, specially leveraging Goethe Institut; in my country we can donate part of our tax to Goethe Institut as a cultural institution
They are looking for skilled people from Pakistan, Libya and Turkey.
If people are not working it means it is not worth it. Why go through all that stress if you cant make ends meet. Those hotter climate people would prefer to stay in their own country and enjoy the sun.
As a German I would like to advice you not to come to Germany if you have a "productive" job (IT specialist, doctor, nurse, teacher, engineer, field worker, construction worker) as for some reason, those kinds of jobs get paid way to little in Germany based on how much time and effort they will cost you and on how important they are for society. Basically, it's modern slavery.
However, if you have any unproductive job in which your only task is to "handle people" or "human capital" (goverment office jobs, politicians, recruiters) then Germany is the destination to go!
And let's rather not talk about our migration policy... or energy policy... or foreign policy... or health care policy... or well... Perhaps instead of blindly welcoming terrorists and criminals, we should send our politicians and journalists abroad.
Terrorists and Criminals? Elaborate
@@cheapjohnwick9373 didn't understand the terrorist and criminals part
😂 love u comment
Wht of plumbing jobs? Do they psy high
@@creativeme9292i guess hes refering to multiply instances where imigrantes already raped or were part of Isis if i remember correctly
I think the main reason for the need of labour are the salaries. Germans don't want to work for low salary anymore, but the companies are not willing to pay more. So they get immigrants, who are satisfied with less
One of the reasons i am leaving getting skills so i can work remotly for maybe a us company and bye germany its a clowns show
@@baum9048 medium salary nett 1800 euro, cheap housing if lucky enough still costs 700 euro, energy bill 100 euro. That is not including daily food, transportation, internet, etc 😂
I lived in Germany for almost 3 years working as a Software Engineer with Bachelor, Master Degree in Computer Science, with couple years of experience, I left Germany and this was one of the best decisions in my life.
Germany is not attractive for skilled workers, big taxes, low wages compared with the costs of living, no business environment to deal just with English, bad social services(waiting months to get an appointment to a doctor, a lot of bureaucracy), a lot of people which don't work and sit on social benefits on behalf of tax payers, very left government, no freedom of speech when you think critical regarding the government policy and you are conservative.
In Romania a Software Engineer remains with much more money at the end of the month and will have a better quality of life(restaurants, hobbies, picnics, shopping) and much more sunny days, warm and sociable people.
Haha had me going for the first half
Was it the state church tax that scared you off? 😂
You have exactly described the life in germany nowdays hahaha
Germany is not very left, if it was it would look a whole lot different to today- cheaper healthcare, more social benefits, less poverty...it would be more like the Nordic countries in other words. It only looks left wing to you because you come from Eastern Europe which is very conservative socially and doesn't have Western European values. As for taxes, yes too high in some circumstances, but look at the clean well maintained streets of Germany, the parks and houses compared to your country with an infrastructure and way of life that's decades behind, especially in rural parts.
@@greenknitterhave you actually been to any Eastern European country? Yes the infrastructure is worse but it’s not like everything is perfect in Germany. The internet speeds are laughable for example. “The infrastructure and way of life that’s decades behind” wtf? Just because we haven’t embraced mental illnesses and individualism doesn’t mean we are decades behind or less happy
we dont need more immigration, we need better conditions for people already living here. everything from wages, infrastructure, retirement plans, innovation and education has fallen into ruin because politicians focus on cheap labour and nothing else. its pathetic.
democracy value it's agains demovracy values. Because it's taking away freedom from local people. When democracy helping ?
How this helps , when people from other country comes to Germany without German language skill ? There are already so many people already in Germany who are struggling to get job whith basic or intermediate German language skill ....
Rather it should be called 'cheap labor' with 'native-like language skill'.
Why can't Germany invest in its own population and provide them with the skills the country needs?
Me thinks they want cheap labour.
They do want cheap workers. German employers requests 😂😂
While it's crucial to invest in the domestic population's skills, many Germans are choosing academic paths over trades. The issue isn't seeking cheap labor, but addressing the shortage of skilled tradespeople. Attracting foreign talent is one strategy to fill this gap while also valuing these roles with fair compensation.
Because they don't have enough young population
Climate change policies going to take big toll on german economy
The main question is: What skills are they searching about? Farmers Skills? Pumblers Skills? Construction Skills?
Skills word doesnt mean qualified clean light jobs...
No Skilled Worker will stay in Germany with low wages, language barrier and high taxes! When you have skill there are many better countries to migrate to! Germany is still acting like Nokia in Iphone's age!
Looks like Germany is going from bad, to worse.
The last time I was in Germany, I thought the roads were not the same anymore. Poorer construction than I remembered.
I hope you guys solve these problems soon, bc you are still one big European powerhouse.
Well, they are going to the worse direction already.
I think you meant was a powerhouse. Declining rapidly because of government policy.
@@on2thenextthing I hope they change this tendency.
Bc Germany has still a central role in European stability.
I would hate to see easternmost European countries replacing France and Germany, politically.
@@paspa I would love that because it means the "developed and civilized" west isn't as civilized and smart as it claims to be.
@@niculaelaurentiu1201 It’s all because of the political class. While they take more, than they give back to the people, we’ll never reverse this tendency.
The hiring is based on what you can do already rather than what you have the potential to do. If you have coding background and did an MBA, you are likely to get a coding job only and MBA skills are completely disregarded as you have not done something professionally in MBA , but only academically. Recruiters need to take risk that candidate will be able to perform as it has academic know-how. Rather recruiters look for people who have doen about to 90% of things already that they are looking for. If someone has already done so much, it is still expected they know German. If all this is there, they probably still offer less salary than some other countries.
Exactly. German companies higher on evidence and not on potential. Their expansion is simple, judging a cow by the littles of milk. Furthermore, the job market attach very low value to transparent academic meritocracy. For example, if they want to hire an SAP professional, they would prefer a random person (in fact with ethnic weighted average) with four years of experience over a top notch from Indian IIT or Chinese C9 universities with decent knowledge and internship experience of SAP.
Coming to your example of MBA, they would almost never hire a foreign candidate with an MBA. In their psyche (Gastarbeiter mentality) foreign candidate is meant only an only for the jobs refused by Germans, which manager jobs are not. So it is never about your intrinsic merit. You are as valuable as you serve the purpose of German employer. You are little more than a small part in a large machine. Spot.
@@val-schaeffer1117 agh yeah I have heard that in one podcast, guy said that he have worked in 3 companies in Germany and never seen non-german manager.
@@andriibakhtiozin4477 Managerial position are absolute no go for non Germans, even those born and raised are debarred. Even lower rung corporate jobs are also near 100% homogeneous. Here and there, few East European or Indian IT workers, and few Asian women (in relationship with older German males in the company)
Language is a big barrier even for IT staff.
How about giving free German classes to immigrants. I am here in France for 4 years. Not a single company or state offered like free french classes. We are supposed to magically learn new language.
@@Fromtheforgottengardens actually universities are offering free german classes for students
BMA
English is better!!
And i don't think its too difficult to learn German unlike french if you are aware of English!!!
Germany wants engineering and tech workers TRAINED by OTHERS who would work for Germany at rock bottom salary. E.g. typical expectation would be 5+ experience in SAP, expensive certifications, preferably MS level education from a leading University. He would be expected to business fluent in Germany right during the interview, and near native by end of probation period. His net salary expectations would be 2500 € plus/minus, for a location where basic cost of living is about 1700€. And he'd be expected to go to work in perfect business formals whose upkeep sends one 300€ minus per month. And I am not even mentioning passive aggressive office culture and rabid housing discrimination.
Germany can easily get those workers. They'll earm more than they ever will in India, Bangladesh, etc. And with a target market of more than a billion you can find extremely educated people, pay them a pittance and they will STILL be earning more than 10x the amount they would in their home country.
It's a win win situation. The only losers are local workers that don't have enough marketable skills.
@@dekippiesipwrong. Those skilled educated workers in India are now getting great salaries, 80k usd, because still cheaper than paying 200k in US.
@@dekippiesip Bangladesh is not that advanced to begin with. And Indians who end up in Germany, are B grade even in India.
If indian labour was so good why is India so poor .I fact it's health I dictators are worse than Bangladesh. It's incredibly corrupt. You still mass mob violence. Mob lynching. Not nice.Germany should have national quotas
Yes but they have to spend every penny to live in Germany.
I work in a traditional field in IT/wireless communications, and the new hires are almost always non-german. It is not like the company is underpaying to attract cheap labours, but rather the younger generation of germans seem not interested in traditional engineering fields anymore and would rather be in management or as Instagram influencers.
sounds like the even more entitled generation seriously management and instagram?
or some old school 1600€ per month jobs where they keep taking sick leave and do not work...
Sounds like fun, working at a place where everybody speaks a different language. Cl0wn.
The biggest barrier for Germany is the language. Most IT workers prefer to go to the US, Canada and the UK due to the language. Another problem with Germany is that employers are very inflexible. If a worker does not match 100% of the job description they don’t hire them. Also, if someone has a bachelor’s degree in say Finance but they learned how to code and worked in IT the companies won’t hire them for software development as the bachelor’s degree is Finance.
Quick understanding and what it means for me?
I am living in Germany now for 6 years working full-time IT engineer. Came here from India in search of higher-paying jobs and stuff.
What did i see? I got paid just the right amount to get a blue card, I was happy to be able to live in Germany and get a blue card. ( P.s. i got 10 years exp)
worked for 3 years in my current company, what I saw, My company offers exactly the same amount of money i.e. blue card salary or even work visa salaries to all ausländers.
what did I understand?
when the government makes salaries for IT engineers lower for getting a blue card, these companies have to pay less , cheaper labor. good for them.
what do I do?
Take the low salary to start with , and move to a role that pays you the salary according to your experience in a year or so.
Get citizenship (if you want it) because they are making it easier for people to get citizenship now. And move out of Germany or just relax and demand the wages that you deserve.
It's a win-win they use you to pay minimum wage you use them as a stepping stone, to get in the country. there are companies who will value your caliber and pay you for it.
We need to understand that the government and companies are not the same, everywhere in the world people exploit the rules made by the gvt according to what suits them. you gotta do it too. don't complain just find your way out and take the best of it and remember nothing in life is for free.
Correct , I am doing the exact same thing 😁
You can ease requirements all you want but nobody will hire you if you don't speak native level German and nobody outside of Europe is speaking or learning German, why should they when they would have broader horizons speaking English or French?
I don't know who is gonna read this but I want to say that come to germany only for good and cheap education not for job. Goto Usa, Canada, UK or Australia if you want to make some money and live happily
It's very difficult to immigrate countries you said as Pakistani passport holder it's difficult to immigrate to any European countries that's why people take illegal ways to go Europe
I am looking for skill job as plumber and painter but don't know how to apply to go Europe or any develop countries
I have masters and 5 years of work experience... Still no company hires me and if comes to salary negotiation - they are read to provide contact if i work for cheap 😂.... The contract is such a professional way to decide me as slave 😂... I suggest DW don't mention as labour shortage instead provide title as we are shortage of Slaves...
Western Europeans got used to having slaves over the decades and now they can't give up the idea it looks like
Education is becoming a fraud
Watch the montage from 0:08 to 0:27. "Skilled workers" means Ausbildung type of professions, not doctors and engineers. Y'all complaining in the comment section are overqualified. Germany doesn't want you.
They don't call them doctors and engineers anymore, now they call them "skilled workers!" 😂 P.S. How is it possible that there's still a shortage? In the last 30 years, they have imported millions and millions of these so called "skilled workers," and now what? They're still claiming that there's a shortage? How?! 🤔 Maybe we need to import billions and billions of them, to finally tackle these shortages! 😂🤦♂️
The term "skilled workers" does indeed encompass a wide range of professions, including those in the trades such as electricians, carpenters, tile setters, and more. These professions require specific skills and training, just like doctors and engineers do.
According to data from the Central Association of German Crafts (ZDH), there are currently 150,000 open positions reported to employment agencies. However, not all businesses report their vacancies, leading the association to estimate a total of around 250,000 missing tradespeople, a trend that's rising.
This shortage is quite palpable in Germany, with people often having to wait for extended periods to have work done by electricians or tile setters, for instance. The past influx of skilled workers has not sufficiently filled these gaps, hence the continuous demand. It's a complex issue requiring more than just numbers; it needs changes in societal attitudes towards these jobs, their pay scale, and respect accorded to them.
until the German birthrate hits a sustainable value, ofc they need to continuously import millions of workers
@@MarWe3 yeah you're not wrong but housing is already exorbitant. There simply aren't enough customers to buy expensive homes which these tradespeople would build. Simple as that... I would know. I just renovated and it's the expense of a lifetime. I fed dozens of families for months, and I will never in my life be able to afford something like this again... It's done. Over. Prices are absolutely insane for the most miniscule of things.
i guess "skilled workers" means cheap workers in this case
I don't think skilled workers will come to Germany where German language proficiency is still a thing..!!!
German language can be simply learnt…!
@@quettagladiator5272it's a barrier that doesn't exist when going to the UK or US. Why choose germany over them?
then where to go?
@@dekippiesip Cost of education is far less whereas overall work-life balance and welfare benefits, public transportation and public infrastructure are better than UK or USA…Moreover, Germany is literally in the heart of Europe and therefore traveling to top travel destinations countries like France or Italy is usually much convenient and affordable…Students from Germany don’t require any sort of visa to travel to other EU countries which is not the case with UK or USA…Similarly job security and overall security situation is much better compared to USA or UK…!
@badass78ish Its required in IT as well
Remove the language barrier first. Atleast make law for Govt office employees to talk in English, also call centers.
I’m paying 45% tax. But couldn’t apply for PR because of Language requirements…….. I’m considering moving out.
Forget about PR. Even in foreign office, the officials expect fluent German communication from day 2 after arrival in Germany.
@@val-schaeffer1117 This shouldn't be a problem for anyone who studied German in elementary school. You just need to lookup some vocabulary. B1 level should be sufficient to get started. A bigger problem is reaching C1 level, necessary for getting subsequent job. C2 level is luxury almost nobody will ever need.
@@Alex-df4lt Rubbish. Germans refuse to accept German as Lingua franca, and demand native fluency even higher than USA would demand in English. Even if someone lands a job with B2 level of German, within a few months the demands would be native fluency, or else other deficiencies and inefficiencies would be pointed out, that stems from lack of German fluency. All-in-all anyone less than native fluency will not be able to survive. Not to mention, socially he / she would still face exclusion, without complete immersion in German culture (which stretches way beyond language proficiency, and includes detailed knowledge of politics, literature, local football clubs, cult films, idioms, proverbs etc).
@@val-schaeffer1117 It depends on occupation. Many jobs don't require C1 level of German. I find it natural that Germany wants you to learn German. It would be good to clarify language expectations during interview not to get a nasty surprise later.
@@Alex-df4lt Then what about rampant housing discrimination? They would like to rent out to only those who can recite Goethe? If they could, they'd let foreigners breathe German oxygen conditional upon ethnicity, innit? Name the actual reason: racism.
Germany would continue to attract leftovers unfortunately.
Not moving to Germany or any other non English countries. Germany is great but if I get exactly the same things if I move to Canada or Australia then why go to Germany and deal with language issues.
You don’t get exactly the same things though. Maybe you get a similar salary but there are some other rather big differences between these countries. German cities and towns are mostly pedestrian friendly and have good public transport while cities in Canada and Australia are extremely car-centric. Germany is also located in the heart of Europe which provides ample opportunities to visit other cultures and historical sights which are things that Canada and Australia just can’t offer. Germans also have less of a culture of overworking yourself than Australians and Canadians and get much longer vacations. On the other hand, Canada has more untouched nature and Australia has some nice sunny beaches. There’s many things to consider other than just salaries and language.
@@lenn939but it’s far easier to live somewhere where both you and the society speak the same language. It helps immensely with integration into the host society. That’s why US UK Canada Australia and NZ extremely popular among skilled workers.
I recently had to cancel my first work contract with the German company because I had to get recognition for my degree. it is expected to take 4 months not knowing if the result will be positive or not. If I get recognition with a positive result, then I'm able to apply for my work permit which will take another 2,3 months. So a total minimum of 6 months which no company wants to wait.
It's also my fault for not being aware of degree recognition. But.. I had a signed work contract with a German company, had my college degree, have several years of work experience, been learning the German language hard(studied until B2-1 class), I’m ready to work hard and all. but not even able to apply for a work permit.
I'm glad that they are changing this in the future. But man it's just so overwhelming, still with tons of documents to be done for another visa preparation now.
I will not go there no matter what, for job .
Just train more people with the skills the country needs. I mean how difficult is that.
Training people with scientific knowledge like AI and machine learning is not easy. It requires 5 to 6 years and then experience as well. Germany is a competitive country with engineering highest in demand and this cannot be trained
@@ahtashamimthiyaz9847 If other countries can do it so can Germany...just needs the will.
@@kevinheath7588 No country has done it. AI and machine learning is a high skilled university level education. Even countries like India and china has shortage of these workers. Most countries need these workers. Specially highly industrialised ones like U.S, Australia and Germany.
There are not shortcut based training institutes that train with these skills and then the german companies doesnt even consider people with no University level degrees. These new reforms will not work. The companies want only the people with University degrees and German language skills upto B2 and then there is the problem of bureaucracy. The time it takes for the process takes upto 6 months and getting a simple residence permit takes 8 months. So, the conservatives are right. The core issue is not resolved.
@@ahtashamimthiyaz9847 We have a difference of opinion which is fine. I believe if a modern western educated country had the will, and was willing to spend the resources needed to educate skill and train people within whatever sector they decided they needed, that they could achieve that.
Attracting International Student and easy Visa Extension would have been the most efficient way
Yeah but who wants to go to Germany to study in an unranked university, when they can go to a prestigious American or British uni
I think they want cheaper labour to exploit. Yikes
I've been looking for an IT job in Germany and I have 25 years experience working in IT. Most IT jobs require German language skills (I'm guessing 90%-95%) and I'm absolutely awful at German, I've been learning for a few years and I just can't pick up the language.
People keep talking about how there is so much demand for IT staff, but if you don't exactly match the imagine they want then bad luck.
In the UK when people recruit IT they see if you have the potential to pick up the skills and grow into the role. But in Germany they don't look at potential, they simply look at what documents you have which state that you can do exactly the skills that are listed.
Because I've been working as a computer programmer for since 1998 many of the technologies that I am very experienced in are old fashioned now. But I can programme a computer no problem, and German employers don't see the potential for someone to just pick up a new computer language, you need to already have the experience with the exact language and usually experience with the exact libraries.
Exactly. And this wont work. The German skills requirement is still in 90% of the companies and the requirement is just not basic german but fluent. The interviews might also be in German.
You could be subject to age discrimination, as companies may find it suspicious why someone so experienced is looking for a job in another country. Expect low response ratio, but if you persevere, it shouldn't be impossible. To get started, B1 level should be sufficient. After a few years of living in Germany you should be B2. That should qualify you for permanent residence. If you would like to move to another country, the easiest path will be to get employed by an international company and ask for relocation. Interestingly, I found my next job in the UK and will be moving there.
Why not go to UK??
UK jobs market is very good now and wages are raising.
Moreover, you try to speak a little bit, but if you dont speak good enough they immediately either change to english, or treat you as stranger, but never expect they encouraging you to learn, at least in Berlin :(
You know why, bc companies don’t want to spend their time and money on some „potential“ but rather go for someone who can already do it!
From a company perspective it’s understandable, from a potential employee’s it seems unfair.
There has nothing special! We are living in Germany as a EU family members.All ways they try to find out our fault,Then kick us back our homeland.Even we are working full time.
Believe me, This is happening in Germany.
They say they need people , and when people show up with their degrees they are tossed around from one office to the other. Sometimes even getting their application for residence denied without any official documentation . Very soon the health sector is going to crumble , there are lots of non EU nurses who have their qualifications and willing to learn the language and start working but the system doesn’t make anything easy . That’s why people are opting for other countries . Language is Not a big deal as it can be learnt . 65% of the people who claimed asylum have qualifications but still aren’t allowed to work in the professions that they hold and the government goes on to complain about the financial strain that they asylum seeker bring forth. People want to work but the system is just so stressful and makes one want to flee . Or even scrap off Germany from desired destinations to work
Not only tossing them around, they are not well informed about the law unless asked, either the officers are too lazy to do their public service job or do that in purpose. Either way, it could cost foreigners accusation for breaking law and pay huge penalty charge for mistakes they probably were not aware of. The offices often don't answer phonecalls and emails.
German officers like to play hide when foreigners look for information and seek when foreigners make mistake! and I also noticed not all of Ausländerbehörde officers are competent, some of them even gave wrong informations that misled foreigners!
Ausländerbehörde is the planner, hauptzollamt and polizei are the executers!
They probably enjoy to see foreigners make mistakes and spend their "not so much earns" to their institutions bank accounts 😎 maybe these officers get reward for their catches.
Foreigners who have been working in germany for sometime are already aware of their game! 🤓
One more thing, there is no such freedom of speech in germany when it comes against their authority officers! Their concern is only when they face lawyers or journalists because those are their nightmares hahaha
We could of course also pay our own workforce more… I mean those people who changed their occupation because nobody wants a bad salary and unfair work conditions.
So train your own people, invest the money to the school system and educate local people first.
Germany economy is at the edge of collapse,
women dream their lives on chads, chasing career
and low testosterone men rather watch porn and nobody rises kids because those are anchor of modern flexible yet comfortable life and that's the problem why they have to import people.
Don't jump on that death cycle.
There’s a massive amount of functionally unemployed people in Berlin, at least.
@@tomatom9666 Functionally unemployed...lol you mean having a start up while waitressing a few hours or being an "artist" are not real jobs? am shocked 😂
salary in germany 50,000 , in reality after tax become around 27000, after all expenses you save 10-15 thousand a year that too if you are living bachlore life where you live to save. I think germany needs to fix this and also should makethier employers more open to hire people without having german language . Thank you german Immigration
not true, salary of gross 50k will net you 32k after tax.
@@sobhansarthak6000 depend on your tax situation, but you should always consider it to be around 50k=28k
@@nitin4108 That is simply not true, for class 1 tax class which you mentioned even if you pay something like church tax your netto will still be 31.3k without the church tax is 32k. If you are a class 3 where spouse doesn't work, then around 35k, if you have children then a bit more. And even with this I am not taking into account the minimum salary that is not taxed which is around 540 euros per month out of the 4100 gross/month, so it most likely will even be a bit more.
More Syrians are waiting.
Additionally to a shortage of skilled workers there's still a shortage of affordable housing. Little has been done in the past years to tackle this issue.
The first one to profite from new workers coming to Germany are landlords.
There's little incentive when half your wage goes to an apartment under the roof or you have to compete wih hundreds of others just to get a room
Also, AfD second place in polls...
Stop treating high skilled workers as second class citizens first. General public is not embracing multi culturalism and are intolerant
Probably would be smarter to subsidize education and living expenses for already pre-existing citizens. That way you lower the unemployment rate, boost education, and give citizens a chance at upward mobility.
subsidise education? Its already almost free for most university degrees and also until school.
Unemployment is all time low
The percentage of aged population is also a concern. Also, ive lived in germany for some time now, and truthfully, especially in east germany, people lack ambition. They have no interest in getting higher degrees.
@@darkmage4648 Well they have a very good vocational training system there so many don't see the need for degrees to get a decent paying job. My partner is from the East and he got a trade there, same as his daughter now and all his family. Of course if you want to be a doctor or engineer a degree is necessary, but that is not everyone and university is not seen as the be all and end all of life. His daughter got top marks in her Gymnasium and could have gone to uni but decided on an apprenticeship instead because it's what she wanted to do. Higher degrees are not seen as the only option there with this snobbish way of thinking many parents have in the US or UK that to be successful you need one.
@darkmage4648 why would they? I earn way less than a self employed Handwerker and I have a masters in AI engineering 😅
is it true that offices in germany still use fax machines and in many places you can only pay with cash?
Yes and yes. And it's quite lame. My radiologist faxed my results to my doctor and they never received it so we had to ask them to slow mail it to us because they couldn't email because that would breach data privacy.
My physiotherapist only takes cash to probably save on fees.
Thus, it's quite archaic considering it's 2023.
If the goverment knows there will be a skill shortage why is not investing in training Germans to fill the gap so they benefit and are not kept at the bottom of the pile playing second fiddle to foreigners.
Because A) there is not enough young people, and Germany now has the oldest population across the entire EU (if I remember correctly), and B) trained skilled Germans leave Germany and work in the USA and Austria for better pay.
After this immigration policy what do you except, immigration going to follow your culture. Germany is on the way just like france.
Great, China has many many skilled workers who can move to German to teach Germans.
The Germans are planned to go to the US though.
They didn't get the actual problem.
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Nope. Everything is a band aid. Not even that, their solutions are nefarious but as long as they sound nice...
@@SubvertTheState needing more immigrant taxpayers so the actual germans on hartz IV can continue enjoying their life. yeah very neferious i would say
They won't get it in 10 or 20 years either when everything just keeps getting worse despite their "fixes". Couldn't care less...
They need to fix the Ausländerbehordeamt first 😂
Still skilled labour will not choose Germany because of language barrier and so much bureaucracy.
Germany had only itself to blame - skilled professionals get minimum pay, no chance for upward mobility, open racism/ gender inequality in the HR departments and horrible bureaucratic red tape - eventually it would catch up😂😂😂
There have come a lot of young professionals from Africa, Syria, Iraq, Afganistan etc. Why Germany still complaints?
The news, unfortunately, is often far from impartial. Their primary goal is capturing attention rather than providing objective information. In the pursuit of politics, ratings, and clicks, news outlets tend to prioritize German authority politics and quick sound bites over in-depth analysis.
They skip the points when it comes to language learning, difficulties of finding a place to live, etc...
They are laying off people who are already here what laws would help pulling people from abroad 🤦🏽♂️ no houses for stay and if you get one high rents
LIES ....THERE ARE GERMANS LOOKING FOR THOSE JOBS . GERMANY DOESN'T NEED FOREIGN WORKERS.
you just have to substitute the skilled with dirt cheap. I live in Berlin. With these prices (especially rent and food) and the salaries that the companies are paying, we have a shortage of dirt cheap workers 🤣🤣🤣
Young Germans have to compete with people who can survive one meal per day,no fun time and long hour work,good luck
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but they're not German also.
@@user-ry2qs7xf9k you meal per day? Dude, it is not that bad. 😅
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yes,one meal per day,your mind can't even realize it.
@@user-ry2qs7xf9k but they won't even bother to get in the competition as they are getting enough freebies from German government right from their birth !
Will the immigration reform address the problem that if you lose a job you only have 3 months to find a new one or you need to leave the country.
Exactly. They invite foreign skilled workers, but they are not opened about the laws. They don't appreciate that people spent time and money to go through their super slow beureucracy from their arbeitsamt, embassy to Ausländerbehörde. Plus a flight ticket.
@@ladactylo they rent foreigner workers :)
Wow that's intense
In the US, you have 2 months only
@@TO-fg8jm that's not my problem. In Germany the Interviews last for 2-4 months, 3 months is not enough
Bringing in as many fighting age males in Europe as possible. But for what?
😂
Technically im a skilled worker but your language is very difficult lol
German language major problem
Racism is much much bigger problem. IN fact more you learn German, more you will see the racism clearly.
@@val-schaeffer1117that's a problem everywhere tbf.
@@dekippiesipnot to the same degree.
@@dekippiesip No, racism is exclusively a German problem. Already much better in Netherlands and UK
@@adammorra3813 that surprises me as a Dutch guy. I would expect the shame and legacy of WWII to have made Germany less racist than average. But perhaps I was wrong about that then.
A married skilled worker can't bring his/her spouse easily from Bangladesh. It requires 16-18 months for the whole process. If they would need skilled workers, they would provide a balanced social life for them.
Banglatrash…yuckk
Work in your own country.
@@OfficialJRANTZ if you yourself acted upon your statement then your govt would not be begging for foreign workers
You’re too many already in Europe
@@arcabuz And your government is still crying for more. That is the agenda of the new immigration law. If you have a problem, ask your government not us.
Interesting, I've been wanting to move to Germany since my father was from there, but it's hard to get a visa.
It is a bureaucratic nightmare. Even if you land up in Germany, you would face problems in every step from renting an apartment to registering at a local municipal office.
From the comments i guess it might not fill those 2 million critical skilled worker roles.
One big problem is that home grown talent is going to english speaking countries, while german speaking talent really is only grown in... Germany. So do we make living or remotely servicing more english friendly? Or will we offer more so that home grown talent will stay?
Language barrier is tip of the iceberg which is basically weaponised by Germans to exclude the foreigners. How else would he explain rampant housing discrimination in Germany and near complete absence of Germany born and raised Turkish and Arabic, second and third generation?
@@val-schaeffer1117
Dang, i hadn't heard from the housing discrimination before but I can believe it.
One totally unrelated idea, I think that schools should spend 90 minutes somewhere between 8 and 13th grade to do a quick rundown of "job market facts"
Like a list of common jobs that are either widely done, or widely known, the % of people employed in that field, and the payment, as well as the requirements.
I guess there's a lot of things like doing internships in 8th grade already being done, but those things never are about how much money you make.
And definitely a little side note about multilevel marketing and other types of pyramid schemes, as well as common investment scams.
.... anyways enough sidetracking.
Conditions in germany are just not good enough for skilled workers. Universities aren't doing badly at producing skilled workers, and there's also the highly successful dual apprenticeship system.
Is our industry not successful enough to make the calculation in favor of staying in germany? For people taking work it's usually quite simple, for people trying to hire though it's hundreds of professional HR hours down the drain. Are other similar countries seeing something similar? Japan? France? The combined Scandinavs? Belgium/Austria/Switzerland?
Why do people not wander migrate away from scandinavs?
"Makes it easy to bring the family": only wife and biological children. Not their parents, who fed and raised skilled workers, i.e. future German taxpayers.
U want them to wait 20 years for these skilled workers?
The parents never work just use the healthcare system.
Why bring the whole family ? Parents become a burden on the health system of that country. it's not economical in any way.
@@WackyNews128not everyone has low family values like yours.
This law is to bring professionals from abroad and convert then to slave strangers
Just what GERMANy needs.. more immigrants LOL
I suggest to the industrialized countries that they establish factories in African countries and train immigrants and employ them there, thus solving more than one problem at the same time.
Cheap labour is the key, and properties price bubble with beneficiaries of banks and corporations.
Just let wages go up! Stop!
If only the people who can actually implement the changes necessary by reading the comments and take action, then there would be no need for Germany to seek and perpetuate slavery.
too much taxes on working people thats unfair.
Make English one if the official language and you see skilled working moving into Germany
There is a Shortage of flexible employers , who are willing to get workers with good attitude, willingness to learn quick , not being flexible hinders the businesses and the unemployed . Bureaucracy + Inflexible employers = economic crisis and unhappy people .
are you have any option
German law is very difficult to understand , I am skill worker and living in Germany for 8 years now and still don't have German nationally, so the German government announce something but they are not working on it 😢😢😢😢
You are a slave
How should one Apply ? Kindly also give the details?
Agentur für Arbeit - Google it , translate & see .
The main problem, is Germany can’t satisfy equipment sales orders anymore.
If one orders new industrial equipment from Germany, one needs to wait more than a year.
Thus, the desperation of Scholz. He’s losing business.
He's losing business and we are losing our lives
@@jebuskmiest You’re right. I am not seeing the end of this conflict. Unfortunately.
Germany tried with arabs from Afganistan Syria and ...
It did not work
DoCtORs aNd eNGineErS
I know you love your country and heritage but Afghanistan doesn't have Arabs.
@@mysterioanonymous3206What do you mean?
Since when are Afghans Arabs?
The German language will always be the biggest hurdle. If the shortage gets big enough, wages will move out of necessity because of market demand.
How people from Pakistan immigrate Europe because it's very difficult to get visa to Europe from Pakistan
"big taxes, bad services and high cost of life..."
The questions is, how do you keep the actual workforce that is already in Germany, in the actual economical context?
For example in 2021 I payed 1m cubic of hot water 8.5 euros. For 2022 I payed almost 15 euros. Just an example
Im working as a maintance in rafinery, i didnt see increase of them at my workplace
We all know why are they coming here, not to work
to service your wife?
Why are they coming? Tell me
Most of them coming for easy money, poeple living in germany know exactly what im talking about
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Damn these countries have no Shame.
I am stunned with people commenting about of salary levels, without knowledge about Inflation. You raise wage levels, that reduces purchasing power of New Immigrant & Retired German nationals together. It's jigsaw puzzle.
I want to go Germany to work, but difficult to process. No suitable jobs link . Those company response only put in job search list please.Employers should not play play..
The US might have a few skilled people needing political asylum and a better life. Consider all those women who might not like their health care situation and want to have families.
The people who are willing to work with low wages and with more stress can always welcome
I believe, with COVID immigrants went away to their countries.
Now, with the war, they can’t return as fast as needed.
And, the economy restarted very fast, creating a big inflationist tendency due to the shortage of industrial supply.
Not long ago Germany has taken 1million skilled engineers 😅
It's a big problem, shortage leads to outsourcing to cheaper countries of German firms by which less tax and less employment but German and their systems are responsible for that. Now they are looking for German speaking guys outside Germany for a job. The problem will not be solved in the short run.
that is an excellent german accent xD
Because there are not already enough foreigners living in Germany?
Dw, moderate your comment section. It is an absolute mess. Also, looking forward to seeing the reform do it's thing.
Yeh you want censorship you don't like people having different opinions than your own. I got another suggestion...if you don't like what people say...don't read it. Not too difficult is it bright spark.
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