After billions of years of monotony, the universe is waking up | David Deutsch
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Theoretical physicist David Deutsch delivers a mind-bending meditation on the "great monotony" -- the idea that nothing novel has appeared in the universe for billions of years -- and shows how humanity's capacity to create explanatory knowledge could be the thing that bucks this trend. "Humans are not playthings of cosmic forces," he says. "We are users of cosmic forces."
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He is the first person who sounded so optimistic about the future.
Pretty great actually, gives a purpose to our suffering and a direction.
few things are inspiring to a depression-prone atheist logician, so I bookmarked this.
@Cyborg good points.
@Cyborg So your suggestion is do what? Instead of participating in the progress of human intellect, morality, knowledge, and technology, just sit there and be humble? For how long? Or you suppose the job of a top rank scientist is to say that, well, science is good and all, but so far we can't do this and haven't figured out. Lol.
Same here man
@@63302426 I agree with Nathan Huang and disagree with Prometheus.
god damn you a smart boi aren't ya?
When David Deutsch speaks I listen intently and learn. I thank you sir
This is some of the most inspiring and enlightening stuff I’ve heard recently...
This guy is amazing.
Read his book "the beginning of infinity" its truly amazing and explains these ideas in much greater depth.
yes it's good stuff
He turns up like that and gets a round of applause, I turn up for work like that and get fired, a world of no justice.
It's worth a shot. Just don't address the fact that you have turned up like that. Just own it, be casual and normalise it. Set your frame. Act surprised if somebody asks why you are not there in person.
mark grant be careful what you wish for
Cooper Veit - Yeah, they’ll be wanting us to work like this soon. And then I’ll be, why can’t I come to work in person?
@@watercolourmark ah the cruel irony of the Fates!
Ah, but did you explain to your boss that (despite appearing as a humble droid) you were actually a hybrid being of luminous information and mitochondria, wielding the force in a war for the fate of the galaxy?
Dr. David Deutch is truly one of the great minds of our time.
I’m going to admit I have never heard of David Deutsch before but I like him already. I’ve got some reading to do, something tells me it won’t be ‘light’.
I recommend The Beginning of Infinity.
He wrote a "non-light" paper about quantum computers, which I found good, althiugh I felt I lacked some knowledge of some things in it...
I read his book: beginningofinfinity.com/ it was quite interesting, easy to read, but deep.
He's only wrote 2 books so far, and while they're easy to read, it'll take a while to fully "get" them.
Michie TN Thanks for the link.
One of the most inspiring people
He's such a great chatacter! I love him. Thank you TED!
Yes- Novelty!!!
I’ve always thought about life as an ‘Emergent Property’ of the physical universe- Life eventually begets communal knowledge that will affect the physical universe, unknowingly & knowingly- “We are star-stuff”- Carl Sagan
Most of what is told by the speaker was stated by thelaird de chardin decades ago
Your mind would be blown by Biocentrism.
The universe is a novelty generator.
“Human life without novelty is life without creativity, without progress.”
The more we give meaning to our experiences, the more we open up to feel our feelings and express what's inside, the more we're connected to the magic of life.
@Cyborg exactly what i was thinking. Instability - too much novelty - induces suffering. And paradoxically, our quest for knowledge, insofar as it is motivated by the attempt to control outcomes (the disease of alienation: to seek to escape limits of form) will lead to madnesses that result from the boredom of eternal "safety".
I just want nature that gave rise to me remains steady in its cycles, that the apples grow to be picked.. not that i snap my fingers and an apple appears, devoid of any context, without blossoms and bees. Perhaps we can just eliminate the bothersome karmas of eating . Why not just liberate ourselves from embodiment altogether and live in limitless simulations? Then the "new" drama-games can begin (the way all games begin) by re-introducing limitations and seemingly dire consequences lol.
How could he give such an inspiring speech about novelty without addressing the probable fatality of the same novelty? I do hope we survive our cleverness long enough to become wise and compassionate.
We aren't going to survive long enough. We will end up extinct and gone. But, the changes we are making to this planet and environment will be beneficial to the next evolution of life on earth... The environment will be harsher then it is now, life will evolve to survive in what we can't survive in. And, as long as life doesn't get totally wiped out, I would imagine more complex and intelligent life will evolve.
The key factor in securing survival of life is colonizing other planets.. As long as we are only on earth, we are in danger of extinction.
But, we will never see a time where we can live and thrive outside of earth. We are making that possible for whatever comes next though... So, for what it's worth, I think this is not a bad thing... sure, we are going to suffer, and die, and be responsible for mass extinction.. but, that's beyond our control now.
Perhaps we should start thinking about ourselves as "Gods" that have the power to create a future world and new life, instead of a life that is powerless and believes in a "god" that doesn't exist, at least anymore....
I may have said too much, and got off topic, I apologize for that.. of course, I am just 1 of the Billions of lifeforms on this planet, so, who knows if I'm right or not.. I don't know.. :)
He did, rather succinctly. Explanatory knowledge and its exponential nature.
@@tigerstudios You did not say too much. You have a astute and expansive perspective. :)
@@theobserver9131 Thank you :)
@@tigerstudios Saying god does not exist is a perspective. Keep searching. and why do you think we will go extinct?
Way to break the monotony of a person speaking by replacing it with a tablet and a broom stick...
>dykbot/civalizationdestroyer: Online...
You have nicer broom sticks than we do here in the US.
On wheels
Well this is a novel talk. I liked the idea.I would have liked if they just put a bipedal robot with an iPad and his face in it, like atlas or something, walking the stage ominously.
Clearly he been watching to much TV re: Sheldon and The Big Bang Theory
Damn, for David Deutsch I had to dial back YT speed to 1.25x
Particularly remarkable that David Deutsch can deliver this magnificent insightful speech while balancing the broom stick.
🤣
It'll be great if we don't annihilate ourselves in the quest for novelty.
Or enslave the planet in a statist global panopticon.
Or the universe
Studies showed: Hunter gatherers are healthier and happier than contemporary civilized city people.
@@konradnsa the general arc of progress in terms of extended lifespan, science (understanding our universe), art (communication of that understanding) and quality of life says different.
Angelus Irae - nope
Finally, you can do a TED talk in your sweatpants. The future is bright :D
Variety is the spice of life
Bob Quigley until you get caught
I think of the human condition as a pretty paradoxical.
One is either
bored to death or
challenged to death and
neither prospect is very appealing.
So true and brilliantly put !
Absolutely fascinating! What an interesting concept.
"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
you think the future is predictable, or that where we are today is not preferable to the past
@@stegemmeIt is in some ways, on both counts.
@@stegemme I don't know, I think the past where screens hung a wall was preferable to screens on a moving stick.
Jurassic Park is a Hollywood movie.
Great quote!💯
his word is remarkable .. you could apply his speech on your daily basis and create something, and not being monotony.
Wow! It's so abstract and profound...
Agree, no matter who (and why) we are..., We have to move on: progress and transform the Universe into the comfortable environment for us-humans, for our being, existence and development.
F.e., humans were using fire thousands of years before they understood the nature of this phenomena, humans invented wheels, agriculture and built cities, thereby creating the basis for our modern civilization.
The same way, the future generations should benefit from our present activity and creations.
WITH THOSE TICKET PRICES THEY COULDN'T AFFORD A BIG SCREEN?
OLED screen, maximum brightness, much larger. Or projected.
The novelty of the presentation style distracted from the serious content of the message.
BAZINGA!
Greg Zeng I think you’re right because I found myself constantly paying attention to the movement of the stick person rather than listening to what he was saying. Bad enough that I thought it was a woman until my daughter walked and said it was a man. I had to check his name to be sure she was right. In the end, I have no idea what he said. No idea what the message was.
@@katiekat4457 Maybe you're just too stupid to get what he was saying if you're getting hung up on movements of a stick or which gender someone might be.
@@frankjuuh or maybe the speech was so vacuous that anything would be a distraction.
The intro to all TED videos are actually live streamed footage of the universe waking up.
David Deutsch is our new Einstein.
This is Terence Mckenna’s ‘novelty theory’ basically to a T. Search up his ‘what science forgot’ talk. Mckenna - peace be upon him - was obsessed with this idea of novelty and its acceleration through time.
Beautiful and Promising
he explains the biggest picture and paints the humanity's ultimate goal that should be
One of the most interesting speeches I've ever heard
After waking up from my coma, I was worried that I may have missed years of my life
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To my relief, I logged onto CZcams and discovered that it is still 2005.
Graham Jonathan, are you saying this is from 2005?
@@bkm2797 I love how people mistake irony for sarcasm
Isnt that sarcastic
I’m going back to my coma
LOVE THIS!!!
Awesome talk, everyone should hear it.
Classrooms in 10 years:
This is happening now.
There'd be no need of classrooms.
Making Universities (the wellspring and incubator and of Post Modern depravity) obsolete via new and better ways of learning, could save our Country and our Sacred Individual Rights.
Academia has become one of the biggest threats to Western Civilization.
Wow. Well said Sir..
Beautifull
I am translating this video into Arabic for TED. Once it gets finished and published, I wish it to be useful for the Arabic audience.
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Get it now. Have a nice watch!
beautiful
Man is not the figure in the landscape, but the shaper of the landscape...
From The Ascent of Man by Jacob Bronowski. First video in the series of 13 entitled “Lower than Angels.”
Man IS the landscape
@@HappinessOrDeath "context" is Everything
Deepak Chopra brought me here. Read “Total Meditation“ - it reflects off this concept so well
Amazing!, he reminds me of the great David Tibet
I was so confused in the beginning, like who tf was talking? Then I saw the tablet or whatever tf that is, and im still confused
wat
loll "or whatever tf that is"
Only a Stable Genius can understand such things...
A level 69 genius on a wheely robot
Perfect
If only the HUMAN MINDS can be freed from all religious and cultural tenets, we shall accomplish more things than imagined, and science is really exposing us to the unimaginable.
Science is a reductionist ideology, a just so story of its own. David is smart, but blind in part.
it's not true that suffering = staticity, or "just due to the way they processed ideas". look at native humans: they were well because their natural needs were met, they didn't have much technological development. search on youtube "isolated tribe touching message" and also for example you can search "eskimos". David Deutsch is referring to post-agricultural humans, who already lived as hierarchies. most people then just suffered, yes. this is not just explained by staticity or "how they processed ideas": they were slaves.
Agent Smith says that suffering provides meaning to human life. That boring is the human life without any suffering (including unfulfilled desire).
I was really hoping he would address recent developments of Quantum computing and AI...and how it has the potential for both our prosperity and our doom.
Some ppl seem to have a problem with this "awakening" of "universe", they say, that this is human hubris. But this old idea is not about human mankind, human beings are only building bricks, like bible says. And everyone has to work for that goal, if you want it or not. And it was the idea of that "goal" that sparked of our special progress. But the critics are right with their objection. Remember the greece temple with the inscription "recognize yourself" (means in a way to "wake up" ) on the entranceway. But on the exit side there was written something like "that you are not a god". For the god of the abrahamitic tradition, "we" are allowed to become a part of god, if we want, but one term for this qualification is, that we recognize that we are not god.
And there is no conflict between novelty and monotony. That there is nothing new, it means for example: whatever we find out about nature, like Kepler mentioned, we already knew that about god; it is not new, because we know god. God does not need to fear any concurrence, because everyone who is going to be a god, is going to be he himself.
Some critics say that universe is like an explosion and everything is going to be more and more fragmented and atomized. Yes, but in the same time this would be a physical state of the highest energy. Furthermore empiric science can only recognize finite and determined things, they methodically substracted the lawmaker to get the laws. For science of nature it is very important to subtract out the constructor. ✌️
The thunderbolt project has interesting information on the effect of cosmic forces on the mythological stories of our ancestors
The ending seems to propose that we could win against entropy without explaining how.
Good point, the physical processes of the ageing universe are well understood, the eventual heat death he referred to is the ultimate static state, when all the energy from all the stars has expired. However, as this is trillions of years in the future, it is possible that through creativity we may have mastered nuclear fission and be in a position to extend the life of the universe through the mater within it.
It sounds far fetched, but all creativity and ideas start from the stance of looking at how we can change the here and now. I for one, do like the notion that that creativity may provide a way to avoid our entropic future. Of course long before this ultimate dilemma, we will have had to find a new home as our Sun will remove all life from Earth as it declines.
If, by Bread
No you didn’t Listen.. you have to play close attention, these occult priest of the serpent are masters at mind effing people, he never declared what side he is on... entropy not monotony was never specified... he is declaring through the annihilation of life and planet earth... he is a free Masonic occult agent
With a bit more progress, we might be able to start upgrading human intellect. These smarter people would be superior at upgrading intellect. Or maybe we'll create ASI. There could be a feedback loop between technological development and intellectual capacity.
There's no way for baseline humans to significantly change anything on a cosmic scale, but our descendants might be able to freely modify or escape the universe.
I think I can bring a down-to-Earth simplified example of what the good doctor is saying. Think of H Pylori and E Coli. One causes stomach ulcers and one causes UTI's. The small and nearly unseen attacking humans who are many thousands of times larger.
Because of novelty it is almost impossible to predict the future. My parents were born at the beginning of the 20th century when the streets of New York were made of mud and horses pulled carriages. There were no cars or airplanes to speak of and Poe wrote about going to the moon in a balloon. They had no clear ideas about what was soon to come, including rockets, computers, atom bombs and the discovery of plate tectonics and human DNA. So how can we predict what the new century will provide, or not. All the numbers show that things are not getting better in all our "systems" of government, industry, economics, environment, justice, equality, health and social and international relationships. The rosy picture predicted by this brilliant talk leaves out the rapidly increasing and accelerating dangers of pollution, diseases, global heating, starvation and extinction. There is the possibility that humans and other creatures tend to destroy themselves when population or technology reaches a certain point. Are we now at a suicidal point in our wonderful yet horrible evolution? Many climate scientists feel we have reached a tipping point of no return and that social, environmental. economic and governmental collapse is unavoidable regardless of creativity, attempts at rapid change and "novelty". Perhaps the only thing novel about our future is the massive size of the impacts of climate wars, droughts, famines, heatwaves, wildfires, storms and floods. If you doubt this, maybe you have been living in a bubble or in a tablet.
15 minutes of enlightenment.
5:48 Jednou to bude všem jasné.
Very wonderful channel I wish you all the best and success
Killer backdrop
Doug G
Ikr
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“Amazingly enough
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Interesting
My favorites scientific mind
imagine in the future there will be those broomstick simulation robots but with arms, so anywhere in the world you could move around your 2nd home, you could move things around and tidy up, amazing.
My friend installed those devices in a hospital in Haiti so people,could,talk with doctors in the US.
Incredible speech!
hundreds of people bothered to come to a specific location, and the speaker sent a broomstick? wtf?
There are plenty of human speakers there. He wanted to be novel. He succeeded.
listen to the conversation - it was all a prop to get his point across. It was, dare I say..."novel."
I bet he just repeated history.
I’m sure they were just as enthusiastic about it as if they were in his living room. The thing they get that you don’t is that the content is far more important than the messenger.
There is no "winning". Winning implies an end but what end would that be? Also the wish for unlimited development and especially its equation with always being good is one-dimensional thinking, always going "forward".
Thats the coolest fucking idea ive ever fucking heard
Hands down, best ted talk I have ever heard
take everything you ever hear with a grain of salt
He literally just announced the annihilation of planet earth! ...
I always think, will this one be worth watching?
In the absence of intelligence the universe is deterministic.
Our cognitive abilities and desire to affect change negates that determinism.
We become the masters of our collective destiny.
Sounds like free will to me.
The most powerful gift that God has given us ...
You are eloquent,but your intellectual gymnastics only proves there is nothing new under the sun....
Anyone else watching in anticipation as the "broomstick" inched closer and closer to the edge of the podium? :)
Úmyslně se zabývám tím co není na první pohled na první pohled zřejmé. Tím že znám věci které existují, můžu poznat věci, které neexistují.
Anyone else intrigued with his Enriched Green Eyes projecting new ideas?
I have never viewed anyone that has such a tincture solidifying the color green as powerful as his eyes are....
He makes me sick to my stomach... I can hardly even look like at him when he talks I want to throw up! He is the manifestation of the purest form of evil ... everyone including yourself are under heavy mind control and brainwashing(the ego/intellect/the mind) that you cannot sense his intention, you can’t even hear what he is actually saying, you can’t even see what he is truly representing... he is literally announcing the absolute annihilation of planet earth ...
We shall overcome through novelty. We live in an unprecedented age, no need for zero sum fear, there is enough for all.
"All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone,"
Blaise Pascal.
I think that was a not an expression of "do nothing" but instead a description of the highly creative state of "doing nothing". Deutsch said himself that reason has no bounds whereas science does. A man sitting quietly alone in a room has infinite capacity for reason and it has the power to change our world.
"Soon the Earth will be the only object in the Universe that deflects asteroids instead of attracting them". There's a glorious future ahead.
CHATGPT SUMMARY - Humans have historically lived with low expectations and a pessimistic view of their world and future. This view is seen in ancient myths and even in 20th century physics. However, humans are not just victims of cosmic forces, but shapers of their environment. Novelty is created through significant changes with lasting effects. The beginning of the universe created space, time, and energy and was an era of novelty. However, at some point, novelty vanished from the universe.
That bit about the “great monotony” being a kind of temporary status quo rather than a law of nature made me wonder, is this new “novelty,” or innovation in terms of complex life, possibly widespread in the universe since the conditions of the universe reached a less volatile, stable state where these long-term micro changes can spawn and evolve organisms..
All is emergent. All realities emerge from underlying emergent realities and are no less nor more real than those underlying emergent realities. The mind is as real as the brain, neither more nor less.
Potential and actual existence aren't the same and can't be treated as equal in a meaningfull way.
@@schonlingg.wunderbar2985 What is real, dear Wunderbar? Are cars more or less real than the atoms that they emerge from? Those atoms emerged from the big bang. My thoughts and perceptions are real. Yours?
@@tnewanz I am not making a claim regarding reality, but regarding context. I am saying that your post is pretentious and doesn't contribute a lot.
@@schonlingg.wunderbar2985 Same to you, my friend. You added nothing.
Remember the moment where you first saw a man giving a speech remotely to a room full of people via a iPad on wheels. Don't ever tell me we don't live in the most exciting time in history.
Tyler Clark in the day of radio,the whole family gathered together to listen in wonderment,imagine what it was like in the day of sitting around the campfire under the stars,,life is just a rediscovery of imaginations,maybe nothing is new under the sun,,we create what we imagine,maybe god is the act of creation ,
Great description of the role of humans in the universe
To sum: Consciousness is in the drivers seat!
How was that Red Bull
Dave is right; 10^40. It checks out.
I’m going to draw a caricature of this brainy dude! 🤓
This reminds me of what Sheldon Cooper did in The Big Bang Theory... HEY DAVID DID LEONARD ALSO DRIVE YOU TO THAT TALK?!
Everyone, to the libraries!
I expected more downvotes by now.
So optimistic. Hopefully he's right, but some of us know better.
伏見彰 Better to be optimistic and wrong and pessimistic and right.
@@michaelhart2715 I'm not so sure. Being pessimistic and correct doesn't lead to disappointment. It leads to people being prepared for the worst, and adapting to the best of their ability.
I'm still waiting for realistic hologram communication.
this is my favourite anime
A monotonous take on a great subject.
"thanks" :)
quantum fluctuation messes with the Planck scale, which then triggers the deutsch proposition. CAN WE AGREE ON THAT?
Also is the the ancient one with a wig and glasses?
my horoscope disagrees
This is the best fucking Ted ever!
What could we win?
Time is Relative to Perspective. It's only been a few days.
You really think you're a novelty in the universe? This only proves the limits of our capabilities to understand the immense ignorance we contain. Kohelet wasn't bothered by novelty to the extent that he understood its only distraction. Insignificant
Sol Stice maybe he’s passing the ball to you,your the future
"Nothing is learned, it is only remembered."
What did he say against this idea?
Edit : was it the focus on explaining knowledge rather than finding it?
Yes, understanding and explaining.
Stan Kolodin imagine the future and remember how you got there,that is your path,gold is where you find it,(bugs bunny )
Daniel Dennett brought me here
@1:30
what has been is what will be and
what has been done is what will be done
So nothing new under the sun up to now..
This kick off should have been more authentic.
This is from Linkin Park I believe:
the journey is more important than the end or the start
and what it meant to me will eventually be
a memory of the time when i tried so hard
I tried so hard
and got so far
but in the end
it doesnt even matter
i had to fall
to lose it all
but in the end
it doesnt even matter.
in the end
It does not say what he tried so hard or whether
it was something new or just new to him:
in the end, it does not even matter.
The biblical text sort of tries to offer
this quantum of solace understanding how
existence is a next to futile undertaking,
no matter how you spend your days with
this gift.
This one from Alan Parsons Project: old and wise
Heavy words that tossed an blew me ,
like autumn winds will blow right through me.
Finally it is all a lot of nothing, no matter how
many new things get invented? You look back and
all you see is your own memories or a lot of
thin air.
How do beings with "explanatory knowledge" win in a Universe where their _actions_ are limited by the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and an accelerated expansion of the Universe?
“Under the sun” FE reference