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- Kadee couplings are a breath of fresh air at Chadwick Model Railway.
Episode Two looks at the benefits of Kadee couplings here at Chadwick Model Railway.
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Maybe the best in-depth look at and explanation of KaDee couplers I have seen. They have a myriad of ultra-realistic couplings.
Thanks Anthony, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Charlie, I’m rebuilding my layout. I have been ordering brand new code 83 track.it doesn’t mater what fish plates I use with code 83 or code 100, does it. I bought a lot of engines and cars second hand. Because I was still working on my layout, I didn’t look at them all. I have since found out that one of my engines has the back set of wheel tide on. Do you know where I could get it fixed. In the UK or the States. Finally, I needed to know how to fix couplings but I found your video. Thanks for putting it online.
Bob
I wholeheartedly agree with this! Our HO Scale model Railway here in Beaverton, OR, USA requires it's members to use KaDee couplers on all rolling stock and locomotives. It saves so much headache if we need to do an coupler repair during a show because we all have the repair parts. I wish you would have discussed the shelf-pin couplers that KaDee produces. They're great when you have a modular layout or long strings of cars.
Totally agree Anthony, this is a reference video for posterity. I am just starting to understand them for my kit built wagons and need to learn which ones I need. Top job again Charlie 🤩
Thank you very much for buying an American product, And, Greetings from the USA.
You’re most welcome, Michael. Regards, Charlie.
@@ChadwickModelRailway Thank you very much.
Excellent I've saved this to watch later, I'm glad you did this as you are very easy to listen to and a good teacher.
Kev, you’re too kind. I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
Charlie, I've been eyeing up Kadee for a while and you've explained more here than everything else I've found so far.... I shall now have a go. Many thanks!!
Thanks Eddie, they are a very useful product, I like them.
My eyes have just watered at the price of the starter set Charlie!
Stop sobbing David, just look at the loco prices.
You're the best to explain everything, thanks Charlie!
Don’t make me blush MH.
Another great video showing the pros and cons of these couplings. Very informative and helpful as usual, thanks a lot Charlie!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it TM
Thanks Charlie That has to be the most informative video of this minefield there is , gives me a bit more confidence in changing my couplings Cheers Keith
Thanks Keith, I’m pleased that you enjoyed it.
Thank you Charlie for these great explanations, I never new what center set meant, now I know how to adjust the height between each cars ;) love the Union Jack pin by the way :)
Thanks Robin, you’re far too kind. Regards Charlie
Thanks Charlie, another well produced, well presented and informative video.
Thanks David, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Well done Charlie, very informative. Been using Kadee's for many years.
Thanks James, I can see their attractiveness and I’ll buy them in bulk too.
Charlie, Thank you for your videos. Your knowledge in different aspects of Model Railways is very impressive. Your ability to share that knowledge with other fellow modellers with varying levels of understanding, is even more impressive. Charlie to Model Railway is like Sir David Attenborough to animal documentaries. Brilliant.
What a heartwarming comment Raj. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie
I started using Kadee couplings years ago. With a fair bit of stock I set up a few wagons with one Kadee only. I used them as transition wagons and converted the rest one at a time. As a teenager then funds were limited. Also the other end of the guage can be used to work out the thickness of the packing required.
Love your videos.
Paul from Zillmere
Thanks Paul, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie.
Very useful video. I have found that Kaydee pins can strike point tie bar mechanisms and rip the coupling out of the NEM socket. Some people snip the pin off but bending it upwards makes better sense. Yes, tension locks are rubbish - I frequently have unscheduled slipped coaches with those!
I couldn’t agree more James.
I love your vids Charlie, and this is really useful info that has got me considering automatically switching all my stock and locos to Kadee when I can set up a proper little railway once again when I've got the sheltered, insulated and powered space to do so in a shed.
Thanks for such a kind comment. Regards Charlie
Great stuff Charlie. Very informative. Will look into them for my layout. Congratulations on passing the 25k subscriber mark. Cheers. Pete
Thanks Pete, you’re too kind. They do look so much better,
Charlie, this video has been a total eye opener with regards to the different types and heights etc, I’ve bought a few packs of NEM kadee’s but not fitted any yet, I’ve saved this video for future reference, keep up the good work
Thanks Kevin, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it and found it useful.
Couldn't agree more, Kadee's really are breath of fresh air and fun to fit and use.
Thanks Malcolm, too true.
Awaiting my first 148 packet from Kadee right now - along with a bunch of new metal wheels and washers based on your last video regarding fixing those first. Thanks for your expertise, Charlie!
I’m so pleased that you found them useful RJ
Been using them for like 20 years between me and dad. Love them I've tried cheaper options but always come back to these in the end.
The only sensible option I don’t blame you.
Thank you Charlie for a fantastic, clear and informative video on these couplings. I'm just starting to build up stock etc to start a layout and this has been a fantastic help. Thank you from a cold and wet Scotland
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it LC.
Charlie, great video on couplers. You provided a lot of info on this topic. I really learned a lot. Thanks for sharing all this info. Ken
Thanks Ken, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it and found it useful.
Great video again Charlie!!! Thanks for sharing! Cheers Onno.
Thanks Onno, I’m so pleased that you’re still with me.
Greetings from the States! Charlie your video has helped me solve my coupler height issues with my roster, thank you!
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Quentin and found it useful.
Top episode Charlie I been through trying to work it out years ago you video would help a lot of people out who are just starting with them top job again as always keep it up
Thanks Rowan, i’m so pleased that you enjoyed it, regards Charlie,
Great video as always Charlie. Really enjoyed learning more about KDs. I have a big fleet of stuff all with tension locks and have wondered about fitting some with KDs in future. Thanks
I’m so pleased that you found it useful Matt.
If you have a large fleet, it might be less money if you buy in bulk.. I did years ago...
Important note: Kadee only have bulk packs of the couplers that attach with screws i.e. they don't do bulk packs for their NEM couplers.
Nicely explained Charlie this does give some food for thought. I look forward to what you have to say in the last chapter.
Hi Rob, I’m so pleased you found it interesting. Regards Charlie.
Great! Thanks for producing this. For the information of anyone worrying about old stock with "non-NEM" couplings to change, around half of my vehicles fit this description, some being around forty years old. Yes, there's some surgery involved, but it is relatively easy.
We all love to improve our stock Peter. And good luck with yours. Regards Charlie.
Timely video, just bought some this week to start converting my trains. Hello from down the road at Tintinhull.
I’m so very pleased that you found it interesting Peter and as a useful time.
From an Australian who uses Kadees all the time, you have explained these rather well. I use the Kadee NEM socket couplers on my few European locomotives, much improving functionality.
Also anyone with a fleet of coal wagons certainly needs a bulk pack, they do get cheaper with the larger sized packs. ;)
And finally, if you move wagons around to a club often, springs can come out more frequently, but is a super minor issue if you pack the models well.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video mate. Even though you’re already an enthusiast of these couplings.
Thank you Charlie that was very helpful indeed your right on all counts some of these firms just sit on the fence, that's how we lost our motor cycle industry .well you have sold me Charlie i will be swapping over a bit at a time.
Thank you.
I don’t blame you Tony, my freight wagons are the most important ones, whereas my coaches I will probably switch to magnetic couplings.
@@ChadwickModelRailway thanks again Charlie
Wonderful video Charlie. I think I shall look into investing in some of these for myself. You did a great job at explaining how they work. Looking forward to part 3. GWR
Thanks GWR, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
Thank you Charlie, for an informative video.
Thanks Mookie
Fantastic once again . I might be sold on kadee now they have evolved well .looking forward to next one
Thanks Winston, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it.
You have persuaded me to have a go!
Very informative and well presented, as usual
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it David. But just convert one rake at a time otherwise you could end up in a right pickle.
Great video! When I was big into NTrak I also used Unimate couplers for long drags of coal cars. Coal cars are usually not individually switched.. So, I had a 5 car set with Unimates between the cars and Kadees on the end cars. It made it cheaper to equip 5 cars strings with couplers. In operations the theory was each 5 car string was never separated. That worked well.
Sound advice thanks mate. I was aiming at triplets of wagons.
A most informative video, thank you for taking the time to explain all that you did. It has helped me in my endeavors to make more informed decision on changing out my couplers. I'm from the states and all my equipment is at least 40 years old, and all I have is hook horn couplers. At the moment I cannot justify buying a whole set of Katie couplers to replace my hook horn couplers. Price is certainly something that we've all had to deal with and when you're on a fixed budget it makes it even more imperative to way the pros and cons. Thank you again for the video, I am one that really appreciate your effort.
Thanks Big Foot, you’re too kind
Hello Charlie, When I first decided to get into model railways I went to a few of my friends who have layouts, most of whom ran Hornby locos and Hornby rolling stock. One of the first things I noticed were the ugly couplers and also the difficulty they had uncoupling one wagon from another. Then I saw a layout where all his stock had been converted to Kadee couplers, so it was a very easy decision to go down the Kadee path little by little because as you rightly pointed out it is not a cheap exercise. Luckily for me I don`t have a large layout, hence I have never had the need to run long trains, so it is not costing me an arm & a leg to convert to Kadee couplers, a decision I have not regretted. I will look forward to your next video. Cheers Greg
Hi Greg, yes it’s a pretty awful situation that the UK has ended up in. As expensive as these couplings are, they are the only way ahead.
You are quite correct it is about time there is an industry wide standard not only for the fitting of NEM pockets but height and the style of tension lock couplings. There is a group of us here in France who meet up and run our stock on each others layouts and my D600 Warship in particular does not couple well the carriages with the standard Hornby supplied coupling. The couplings on both vehicles are the standard couplings supplied in the box from new.
Hi Phil, yes these wretched couplings are a disaster, if only everything was built to accept Kadee’s at the right height. Stay safe regards Charlie.
Thanks Charlie, another very imformative video, yeah I'm with you in respect of kadee's much better than tention lock..
Thanks Chris. I’m so pleased we’re on the same side.
Great video Charlie, some valuable info.
Thanks James.
Great video Charlie! I’m in the process of changing all my stock to Kadee couplings, and have come across all the issues you’ve highlighted.
I’m so frustrated with all the differentiations between the manufacturers myself, and am gradually working through them, by several different methods. Stiff upper lip and all that, I’ll get there!
Good for you Nigel, be strong!
great stuff charlie very enjoyable 👍👍👍😁 do agree with you on the tension couplings cheers al 😃
Thanks Al, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Hopefully tension lock couplings will die eventually.
Another marvellous video Charlie. You have a wonderful knack of explaining things in easy to understand terms. It's truly a gift.
I immediately switch all my stock with NEMs to Kadees but have so far baulked at changing the non-NEM stock. You've inspired me to 'have a go' when I can next get to a shop (we're in week three of another COVID lockdown in Sydney right now). I took the opportunity to check out McKinley Railway and my head exploded at the money being spent there! It's truly epic in scope but my goodness, how much must it have all cost?!
Great comment Jon, McKinley is a beast but a fascinating one.
When I ran US prototypes in both HO and N, I always used Kadee"s as they were so easy to fit.
Now I'm back with UK OO and the coupling issue is a nightmare. I need to bite the bullet and equip my locis and rolling stock with these wonderful couplings, but the irregular heights was an issue
Now I know what to do so thank you!
You are of course right James it’s an absolute minefield. Regards Charlie
You are of course right James it’s an absolute minefield. Regards Charlie
Thanks for the good videos. Kadee used to use a bronze spring (copper colour) in the gear box. About 10 years ago they began making the ones with the wire whisker springs but also continued making the old ones.
You mentioned getting some #5s, they have the bronze springs. The equivalent with the whiskers is #148.
Thanks Bill, useful info. Regards Charlie
Thanks for the demo, Charlie. I have long hated the tension lock couplings and remember with some fondness the old Hornby Dublo ones, provided they were of metal construction and not plastic. They were unforgiving of uneven track and trains would split on excessive undulations, but vehicles could be easily lifted out as with Kadee's. Maybe we could persuade Dominic Cummings to take it up with the industry as he seems to get his way with everything!
Now there’s a thought. The problem is we’ve been poorly served for so many years. Let’s hope things improve.
Thanks Charlie, as always a great video.
Thanks Paul
A pencil... a graphite pencil can also be used to rub/mark where a dry lube can be used, i.e. coupler swing movement, axle points and chambers... doing a little "shaving" of a pencil as such (especially wooden or basic No.2 pencils), since lead was removed from manufacturing of pencils, all the pencils that replaced them can be used. It's the same graphite as is found in that tube of "Greas em"... and, the pliers are called "Coupler Pin Adjusters" and are sized for "N" "HO" and "O" scale coupler pins-to tighten the "curve", whence the three sized-type end. To widen that curve, you must flip handles so as to not bend down the knuckle part of the knuckle coupler.
John Kamloops, BC Canada
Great advice John, many thanks Charlie.
One of the greatest advancements in model railroading. In the States we had "slide hook" couplers... they're our version of toy couplings like your tension locks. unreliable things that are almost impossible to couple onto while on a curve and a pain in the arse to uncouple.
The magnet uncoupling is only useful for a hard to reach spot on your layout, otherwise just use a cocktail stick (no need to lift the car up) so you can uncouple anywhere on the track you'd like. Now KaDees aren't perfect but they definitely are better than other options. Cheers from the States Charlie!!
Two great comments. Both highlighting what a ridiculous pickle the UK market and Europe for that matter is in.
Here in the US we will sometimes use thin shim washers between the car and the truck to being the coupler more in line with the standard height. Sometimes you can take the center mount coupler (the only ones I have ever used) and bring the couplet up to the proper height. I have had to file off a little of the mounting nub (?) where the truck is screwed into the body of the car to lower the coupler. The low and high mount would sometimes fix the problem but is you need just a little adjustment, you might use the above mentioned system. Again I feel that the best action of the KD is the ability to set out the cars and pull away from them leaving them spotted where you want...
I hear the voice of experience. Thanks David
Hi Charlie,
Kadee couplings do look a great deal better.
Once again very well explained.
Thanks Andrew, much appreciated. Regards Charlie.
I put KaDees on all my wagons years ago and have seen a dramatic improvement in running and particually ,as you show shunting .
Yes they are clearly a good move John. Regards Charlie
Just watched the video and never realised that UK outline manufacturers had such an issue with NEM 362 height. I moved to continental HO and discovered NEM pockets and ROCO close couplers in 1989 and never looked back. I now run stock with Roco close couplers in the rake and Kadees on locos and at the end of rakes. I have had no issues with pocket height across an assortment of manufacturers including Roco, Electrotren, Mabar and Mehano. The use of Kadees on Locos has allowed me to chuck Atlas and Athearn into the mix........!
I am looking forward to the next video. I am always surprised at exhibitions the lack of 'grown up' couplings on otherwise exceptional layouts and stock.
Love the channel and have subscribed.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Andrew. If find our couplings to be a total embarrassment.
Just what I needed Charlie in-depth and useful info, as usual, cheers Paul at Sandling Junction
Thanks Paul, you’re a star.
Thanks Charlie I appreciate the info , Brian
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Brian.
While in York last May I brought a class 66 loco. Most 66's were built in London Ontario, shipped by train to Halifax for eventual transport to the UK. So in fact Class 66's ran on Canadian rails and I wanted to model this. The conversion from the Hornby coupler to NME Kadee coupler could not have been easier. Actually with CV changes to Hornby decoder the unit pulls quite well and I have it pulling (although not prototypical) a string of 14 Canadian Government of Canada grain cars.
Well that obviously went very well Mike good for you.
Excellent Charlie I have noticed that some modellers have been painting the trip pins on their KD’s to resemble air hoses. Black with a small dab of silver at the end to represent the actual metal coupling.Always enjoy your subject matter cheers.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Mark, and an interesting tip too.
Interesting video Charlie .Totally agree with your comment about the couplings in the UK . With the horrendous prices manufacturers are now imposing on us surely its not to much to ask for a decent looking coupling.
I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting David. Hopefully one day all rolling stock will have decent couplings. Regards Charlie.
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Another awesome vid Charlie, I am in the throws of converting to Kadee myself and have run some wagons so far without any issues of uncoupling in transit (like some of the old Lima couplers eek. There is also to throw another spanner in the works a rotary coupler, yes these look like Kadee and act like them but they also rotate in their "gear box" for people who want to use something like the walthers rotary dumper, rather than uncoupling each wagon. Keep up the great work and yes McKinley Railway when you first mentioned it, amazing layout :).
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Sean.
Great explanation.
Thanks Lucas
Thanks for the information. I have not gotten into changing couplers yet and have not looked into anything about couplers myself, you are the only the second person to talk about the kadee guage. The first video I watch said that you should just have the two couplers touch but not connect. Then to see if they are at the correct height you look at the center line on the car and the center of them height guage should be in the same plane.
To un-couple them you can also use a stick like the one you used at the beginning by inserting it into the couple and giving it a small twist.
Thanks Kyle, a good tip.
Great video, you did a great job of explanation of Kadee the are the best, in the states Kadee have what is called a horn hook coupler that comes on most cars but best manufacturers have turned to their version of kadee now but we still convert over the kadee as they work the best. Now n scale is a whole different game....thanks for sharing....Jack 👍
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Jack
Love this video, Now I know what Kadee is all about. Their signage doesn't really explain what and how they work. A really great tip.
Thanks SL, I’m so pleased that you found it useful.
Very interesting, thanks for explaining Charlie. Laurie.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Laurie
@@ChadwickModelRailway I learnt a lot too Charlie - thanks.
Another great informative video Charlie .Kadee are the go!.
Cheers Greg Brassington.
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it Greg.
Great video Charlie, these how to videos are invaluable as I get back in to the hobby. I seem to recall that back in the late 60's my Hornby Dublo models had an open coupling similar to the KDs and that the tension lock type were on Triang. Shame if UK modeling went the wrong way back then. (Memory could be flawed!)
Nothing wrong with the memory ( not unless mine has gone as well)....In fact if I dig long enough in the loft I could fine some, along with a converter truck with Triang at one end and Dublo at the other
So true Jeremy, one step forward, two steps back!
Charlie: Yet another good video. This is again applicable to other scales. I remember when Kadee’s first came on the market. While prototypical they are expensive and most modelers make economic decisions regarding where we can spend our mad money so your wife and children do not fuse to much. Most of the cars I own have rapido paddle couplers. I am converting to micro trains couplers (spin off of Kadee)(I believe that they are in the family literally. Glad you did this so that it can be referred to. (I have gotten older and my memory plays trickers on me). Keep it up the videos. Maybe the European manufactures will realize that they are shooting themselves in the foot because model railroaders are resourceful and will figure out a work around.
What a fantastic comment Ken.
I've used them for years and love them. A4s ,class 33, class 66 , mk1 coaches for example do in real life have buckeye couplers so I'd argue that they are sort of prototypical. I don't use the magnetic uncoupling system so I cut off the bar completely to make them look even less obtrusive.
I'm often asked to make a video like this but ,never found a way of explaining properly the problems encountered. Viewers tend to ask what number do I use for a certain type of wagon and of cause its not that simple. Great video.
Thanks Biele, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. The big four manufacturers have left us in a right pickle.
Hi Charlie, the #20 extra long couplers are underset. If you have a look at the Kadee homepage it gives you the exact dimensions and it specs. But you are right, all nem couplings are only available as underset. Regards, Mark.
Hi Mark, yes that’s a fair point I should’ve mentioned it. Regards Charlie.
Have to say, I have been using KayDes for several years, I found it all a bit of a headache to start with but once you get your head around it, it all becomes clear. It's amazing what a difference they make to the look of a rake of 30 wagons, don't be afraid of mixing up lengths on one wagon. I put a short coupling on one end and a medium on the other and as long as the corresponding wagon has the opposite side you can get them even closer without the dreaded buffer lock.
I’m so pleased that we truly agree on this awkward dilemma.
Charlie, thanks again for another informative and entertaining video. You’ve just started to touch on the elephant in the room here at the end of this video and that is that none of the couplings out there are perfect, every type is a compromise of some sort. Although Kadees work in a more prototypical way they are way too big in scale terms than real buckeye couplers. It all comes down to what matters most to you. So if I put up some criteria you could say: easiest operation = Kadees,, best comparability across manufacturers = tension locks, most realistic = 3 link, least obtrusive automatic coupling = Alex Jackson, cheapest = Spratt and Winkle. So many options each with its good and bad points.
A very interesting comment Simon. It just shows what a minefield of a subject this is.
What a great video - thank you very much past-Charlie :)
BC, I’m so pleased that you enjoyed it. Regards Charlie
I like these so much. I'm considering using them on my layout
Watch out for the price shock!
Chadwick Model Railway I know sadly
Hi Charlie
Another great video about the kadee coupling which I have been using for about 20 years.
Couple of thing that maybe worth adding on your next video is the under-track magnet that can be installed on the building of your layout.
I’m in agreement with you that some locomotives and rolling stock are not easy to replace the old tension lock coupling and replace it with a kadee.
When I have to use the tension lock I remove one of the hooks which makes it easier to uncouple, in the case of my layout it was at the platform end where I wanted to detach the locomotive.
My method was to install the Heathcote Electronics uncoupler which uses a servo motor complete with electronics where you are able to adjust the height it pushes clear plastic strip, the speed it moves upwards and the duration of time it remains up to move your locomotive away.
Keek up the good work and it was nice to say hello to you at Warley
Terry
Thanks Terry, I’m pleased that you enjoyed it. Yes these couplings are a complete nightmare. Perhaps I’ll see you at Ali Pali.
I’m not intending to go to Alley Pally I’m exhibiting at Glasgow, York and Derby with my layout Camel Quay
Nice work Charlie. Feel for you and those tension lock "things". For me KD'S are fantastic and given most of the prototype stock in Australia uses knuckle couplings they are a "no brainer" for us down under. They even come as standard on the large array of ready to run stock now available for Australian modelers.
I’m pleased for you Richard. Sadly back in the UK we have to endure all this rubbish.
Two possible solutions got your COFC flat car:
1) instead of mounting the draft gear box onto the truck (bogie), cut the flange off the bogie so you can mount the box to the car body itself; that, and an underset shank coupler, should raise it up enough to clear the coupler height gauge, and allow it to couple with the other cars (wagons), such as those tank cars you started with.
2) get an American COFC flatcar, and repaint it in the British colors; all the stuff over here is pretty much already equipped with Kadee (or compatible) couplers right out of the box. The only problem here, is that the track gauge is the same, but our HO scale is 1:87.1, whereas OO scale is 1:76, so the American car will be a bit narrower than expected. Also, the containers will be at 1:87 scale as well - they’ll fit loosely on your British COFC car, but the converse is not true; your British containers probably won’t fit the American COFC car, at least not without modification.
The powdered graphite lubricant comes in handy for other things as well; stock up on some! 😎
Thanks William, a very useful comment.
I will certainly check out the mounting of the couplings on the wagon body itself rather than on the biggie.
Many thanks Charlie.
Greetings from Wisconsin! I've just subscribed. In the US, the Kadee-style couplers have taken over nearly completely. When I was young most kits and ready-to-run cars and locos came with "NMRA" type couplers, which were hideous looking. All "serious" modellers replaced them with Kadee types. Since Kadee's patents timed out, other manufacturers now make that style, but usually in plastic and not with the variety of types made by Kadee. My layout is a shunting layout and I've used small homemade blades on sticks to do the uncoupling, quite satisfactorily. Cheers. PS. The original Kadees had a straight narrow pin that was less reliable.
Thanks for subscribing Andrew, it’s great to have you onboard.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I look forward to more videos. By the way, when I was VERY young, besides NMRA and Kadee couplers there were also Mantua couplers. These had a ring and hook, similar to couplers I see on British models. Mantua was a company that made HO models but is no longer around. Cheers.
That spring you lost Charlie. I found it in my carpet. :-)
Great 😂😂
A better example of "Conscious Uncoupling" - very interesting and useful video - thank you.
Thanks Gary
G'Day Charlie, nicely done again as usual. Mate can you imagine the tediousness of having to convert 350 100Tonn ore cars PER iron ore train - BUT on top of that I have to turn them into full 360° rotating couplings so as the Rotary Ore Dumper can process each wagon as it arrives at the Port! Bulk Packs are my friends! lol
Blimey G130, and I thought I had problems.
Charlie, a quick comment on your mention of using #5 Kadees for one of your locos, the #148 that you showed in the video is the whisker equivalent of the #5. Also, if you can adjust all your rolling stock so that they can use centerset couplers, you might like to think about using the semi-scale #158, also a whisker spring shank. Also, over here (I am a transplanted Brit) many modelers remove the coupler pin and use a wooden skewer for uncoupling. When operating our layouts we often have two man crews, engineer and brakeman/conductor. The latter has the skewer to uncouple where ever required, more prototypical.
Thanks Stefan, that’s sound advice regarding the Kadee alternatives.
I’ll be checking them out at the weekend.
Great video Charlie, I've had to do all of these mods on my wagons, coaches etc, was a real job doing the old stock where there was no NEM pockets, as I model in N gauge, you can guess at the size of the small springs! almost drove me nuts! but worth it, like as you demonstrated , the ability to just lift the stock off the rails is a must have, cheers, Dave
I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video Dave, they are truly a great asset.
What was on there in the first place, Arnold Rapido? N is the only scale which had standardized mounts from about day one
@@ivovanzon164 it was early farish and Peco wagons that I had to cut the plastic away in the chassis, and use the jig that came with the kit from KD to line them up, as in Charlie's video, newer stock wasn't a problem, as the KD's fit straight in, it was a bit of a tough job, but worth it. hope this helps, cheers, Dave
Very helpful! Sorting these out is a minefield!
Thanks Kingsview, I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting. Regards Charlie
Well done Charlie. Excellent presentation. You can use double sided tape to manipulate your NEM couplings and stop coupler droop. You can also use it to adjust the height of the NEM pocket. Not perfect but its cheap and effective. You need the one with a thicker backing. The odd washer under a coupling pocket can also adjust height.
Thanks Richard, I have used similar techniques to overcome poor design!
You could take a look at Hunt Couplers Charlie. Perhaps the answer to a maidens prayer. As they offer versatility and its an ideal that's bound to catch on. Magnetic couplings work well in O gauge and have been in use for a number of years. Hunt are currently being made for the modern image market and the type of stock you run. But have the potential to provide couplings for all stock. Well worth looking at Charlie. Perhaps Kadee has met its match.
Hi Richard, yes I’m very interested in the hunt couplers. Apparently they have now sold out so I’ll have to wait to get my hands on some. Mind you I worry that they won’t have the strength when dealing with trains that run through a helix. Regards Charlie.
Great video Charlie
I've got to agree with you regarding your comment about the UK manufacturers and the nem pockets, it's a joke and a pain in the bum getting these things to work because they aren't all identical!???.
Due to the helix on my layout I'm finding more and more I'm having to switch the locomotive to first wagon coupling to kadee to ensure everything stays coupled on either up or down trips. It certainly isn't cheap but its the best solution I've found so far. The other option is the solid coupling.
I never realised you could bend the kadee bars up, you learn something everyday, thanks.
Cheers Paul
Hi Paul, I’m so pleased that you found the Kadee video interesting. The challenges with your helix must make things even more complex. Regards Charlie
Great video Charlie . Living in the States does make coupler buying much easier ,our rail cars come at a more standard height it seems .
Lucky you Jim, poor me. 😢😂
I use only #158, #146, #118, & #119's. I have always modified my draft gears to accept only these because I am not dealing with the centering springs, weird boxes, etc. Everything runs perfect for years now!!
You must be one of the few DP, so many of us have nothing but trouble with couplings.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I hate to hear that & I know my friends have the same issues. I am an aviation engineer & I am always looking to improve things. I really do not take anything at face value if that makes any sense-lol!
Thanks Charlie, this video made me feel much better - "a problem shared" I guess. I am converting stuff to Kadees and I love them. However, like you the differing heights of new stock NEM pockets is doing my head in! I have just bought a new Bachmann Prairie and had to resort to fixing the KD to the bottom of the MEN socket to get it right... argh!!!! As an aside I have now successfully converted and old Lima warship to Kadees (as well as a cd motor) and it looks so much better.
A shocking admission TJ. We are poorly served by our manufacturers here in the UK. But what are we to do?
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Thanks Charlie
I thought I was The only one having coupling nightmares.
I am installing kds slowly on everything
As a reply to your comment on costs of installing on all stock I form permanent rake of coaches or wagons
Using something similar to Bachmann's permanent couplings maybe, with a kd at each end.
Your idea of a kd at one end and a tension lock at the other is clever.
I have Hornby Castle with sound that looks excellent with a rake of Bachmann Mk1s but even with NEM s could not
Get the kids to line up so got an extra Bachmann BG and put kids one end and tension lock The other..
Can be removed easily to couple the rake to what does line up.
This also solves another problem , using permanently coupled rakes.
I installed an uncoupling magnet at the buffer stops of my terminus to allow a pilot to back onto the arrived train and remove
The stock, leaving the loco then to back out. All ok until you put a rake of coaches down there ,all kdcoupled, ready to depart with the
Loco obviously at the other end and it departs minus the last coach.
Love DCC. Love NEM. All problems can be solved especially in this sort of forum.
Compared to my 1960\1970 triang\Hornby that always needed a push over the points and crossings I am a very happy retiree.
Well done Charlie
Regards Howard
Great video and kinda interesting 👍👍
I totally agree that the tension lock couplings are dreadful to uncouple and I may consider getting the kadee couplings 👍
Keep up the good work and I look forward to the next video 👍 👍 👍
Thanks Ian, I’m so pleased that you found it interesting even if it’s not quite what you use.
Charlie the KaDee Coupling Pins are pressed thru a hole on the knuckle. If you push up on it, it will raise the height of the Pin up above the Knuckle. So you don't have too bend the Pin or have to snip them off. Give it a go on your Freight Container wagons. I hope this is understandable and helps you out with your stock.
The loose coupling that drops down, as you don't want to use any glues, Then add a drop of Tacky Wax to the small Flexi-Triangle Socket to see if it helps with this problem. Also just do the above Pin Push Up to raise it to the correct height to stop it fouling on the track magnet etc.
Two good points John, thank you very much. How we got into this problem in the first place is beyond me.
@@ChadwickModelRailway No Problem, if I can help with anything let me know or as above I'll drop you a post with hints or tips. Yes it is crazy that the manufacturers won't commit to one decent coupling standard, that is a better Prototypical (i know you hate that word too, LOL) form to lock stock together and can be easily released. Than putting up with the multitude of multi-sized Drop Hook Dee's, plugs & draw bars etc.
Yes to keeping the NEM sockets on stock, but at one standard height. Added with a one scale sized coupling that Bachmann, Hornby and Dapol etc would, could and should invest in and work together to make a single standard coupling, a win, win for all concerned.
After all as you pointed out that we (UK) kick started the model railway hobby, and we bloody have Kite Standards (pre-Brexit... LOL) on everything else. It is a terrible state of affairs and 100 years on down the line (pun intended), you'd think it would have been dealt with by now.
Anyway my RANT over, let me know how you get on with the Tacky Wax and the KA DEE (the alternatively pronounced K-Dee... LOL) Pin height adjustment. Since the Pins are removable, you don't have to cut or snip them off any more. Just pull them out and save the Pins away in a old washed out acrylic paint pot or make something with them e.g. straighten into posts or weathered scrap etc.
Thanks, great video!
Thanks mate.
Great video Charlie. I use KaDee extensively on my layout. To manage the cost, I only fit them to one end of my diesels, normally to the end that doesn't have a driver, this allows the driver end to be fully detailed with hoses, ploughs etc. I tend to operate my stock fixed rakes of wagons and coaches, to which I attach a KaDee to each end. For long rakes, I will fit a pair of KaDee's in the middle of the rake to allow the rake to be easily split. This enables me to take advantage of "shuffle" uncoupling at various strategic points round the layout. Just some thoughts. Barry
Hi Barry, I think that we are singing from the same song sheet mate. Regards Charlie.
Hi Charlie. Interesting video about the Kadee's. Personally dont use them myself as you say, the hieght problem and number of different couplings types in this country is a mind field. I have ripped everything out and started a fresh and use Sprat & Winkle (looking forward to the next instalment on these) they are good for kitbuilt models as well as RTR.i only fit the " hook" to one end of each wagon. They are impossible to fit to bogie diesel loco's so just use the bar with a couple of double ended wagons to act as a barrier wagon.
Cheers Colin
I’m so pleased that you found the video interesting. I’ll take a look at your couplings next time.
You can mix and match most types of Kadee's depending on what rolling stock you use as each has a different coupler box some bigger or smaller, wider, narrower etc... You may find you need 1 coupler on the front a car then need a different for the back to make it all hook up. Some of these couplers are down right dastardly in putting them together and the included instructions are usually very vague especially pertaining to the springs. Great brand and they have something for everything. Nice video thank you.
Yes you can mix them, but it is somewhat of a nightmare trying to get the heights exactly right. it really is a case of trial and error. Regards Charlie
Really interesting video - you're the first person I've seen demo, really well, the uncoupling and coupling capabilities of these couplings. I'm dabbling with KaDee in 0-16.5 and on some 7mm coaches. I'm slowing coming to accept their American looks and, of course with MK1 coaches, Buckeyes are prototypical.
Muso Seven I'm so pleased that you found the video useful.
Regards Charlie
Yes I have always hated those “Hornby/Triangle tension lock couplings. They never looked real and the coaches were always too far apart as you demonstrated with the container flats. One would have thought by now that Hornby would have “Grown-Up” and installed knuckle couplings, similar to the Kadee couplings.
The issue is compatibility, now all their current and past ranges are based around the traditional couplings or something compatible and it would cause a lot of confusion to change it after such a long time.
It's time to move away from Toy Train Couplings.
GC. Dont forget. most or all Kadee fittings are for Ho and not meant for OO, so our Nem pockets are higher than the US pockets
I am in the US and I can attest to the fact that it's not just in the UK. While a lot of US modelers love the trip pins as they somewhat look like the airlines for the brakes I have consistently cut the pins. No matter what you do sometimes it will always drop too low. So I gave up on magnetic uncoupling. The semi scale couplers (not sure kadee number off hand) don't suffer as much. Although my favorite knuckles are Rapido (Canadian) MacDonald Cartier couplers. Not easy to get without buying there rolling stock. Anyway awesome video as always.
While you think you’ve got it rough, the British couplings are absolutely dreadful, give me Kadee’s any day.
@@ChadwickModelRailway I would definitely agree. I have a bit of OO. Always have been a fan of the Westerns and Warships.
Center set shank - easy for you to say - haha not possible for me (wife says it is because I'm older than dirt)...Whisker springs are sooooooooo much better than the original.......So many of us here in the states will mount the uncoupling magnets under the track the magnet never interfears with the pins like you showed. I don't like the magnets at all so I cut off the pins and the coupling looks so much more realistic. I like the delay aspect of the couplers in that I can off set one coupler, back the train into the car, and then push it to the place where I want to spot it and them just pull away leaving he car in place. You never have to worry about the problems you have at the 18:55 time line If you "under mount" the magnet. Of course you have to mark it in some way... Love the videos Charlie...
Thanks David I’m so pleased that you enjoyed the video. And some sound advice from you thanks.