.270 Winchester Cartridge Profile: 11 Pros and Cons
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- The .270 Winchester is an excellent hunting cartridge designed nearly 100 years ago. It has become the only commercially successful cartridge to shoot the capable .277 caliber bullet.
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I’m 20 years old and have been hunting elk and deer in Montana with a Sako .270 win for 5 seasons. I love it. Light, low recoil, doesn’t hurt my ears... every shot I have taken has been inside 325 yards so it’s been a fantastic gun for me. Love this channel!
Take it from an old deaf guy, if you're not wearing ear protection, it is 'hurting' your ears every time you shoot. A tiny little bit of damage every time you shoot adds up over thousands of rounds. Hunting, okay, nobody wears protection, but on the range? Don't go deaf!
@@dlc1119 lol the old deaf guy contradiction…
@@brettstock3284 What? Speak up! ;-)
@@dlc1119 that was so funny I forgot to laugh
I’m sorry, I do appreciate your concern.
I love the 270 for deer and black bear. I wouldn’t hesitate to take an elk out to 400 yards with it with the proper loads. It’s such a balanced round as far as recoil, energy and trajectory.
Thanks for encouragement. I have very little experience with truly high power rifle for hunting. Only 1 elk hunt in our family and that was a 300 win mag @ 300 yards. We have used slugs, muzzleloader, 44 magnum rifle & revolver for deer since the early 90s. Using 308 for first time ever this year. My son is going to buy his first rifle soon. Choosing caliber is a big deal.
@@guardianminifarm8005 .308 is an excellent round, .270 just a touch better, not enogh to make a real difference in any situation I can think of. I use the .270 hunting (elk in CO) because it gives that slightly flatter trajectory when combined with a 2ft x 2ft kill zone and zero'd to 400 yds, means I can shot to point of aim out to 500 yds and not have to use any hold over, and still be confident I'm going to hit in the kill zone.
My longest kill on a bull was last year...525 yards. One shot with my .270 and 130gr Accubond bullet. Bull never took another step, just tipped over.
I'd leave bears alone but shoot the deer for sure
I know this is an old thread. I use a 300 win mag in New Mexico for elk- 300-400 yds is pretty typical with 400 plus or minus being beyond my personal max I have killed 2 elk in 3 yrs at 300 and 350 yards. To the point though I bought a 270 for my teenage boy and settled on the hornady 148gr ELD-X - devastating performance at 150 yds broke a rib on entry through lungs and out between ribs other side. I have zero hesitation using this round out to 400 yards. Excellent discussion.
Pros and Cons? - 1st: there are NO cons to a 270. Enough said!
Except the fact that it's designed around 100 year old aerodynamical technology and was introduced at a time when Biplanes were space age and that's why it's BC's are a joke compared to modern calibers. And hey there's nothing wrong with a 100 year old Ford Model T either but that doesn't mean I'd give up my Raptor for one.
@@gsxr1189 a hundred year old design that still kicking strong . Hhmm ... Maybe because it's the perfect design for what it is.
@@TheWarriorsMind Is that why it's BC's get embarrassed by those of modern cartridges?
@@gsxr1189 dude.... The military is going to a 6.8. Nosler has high efficiency bullets so does Berger. If you look at the stats you'll see a 270 outperforms all of the other cartiages in its class and all the short actions. You are blowing smoke dude. If you think the 6.5 creedmoor outperforms the 270 you are wrong.
@@TheWarriorsMind Is that why Extreme Outer limits rifles (EOL) developed those Berger EOL bullets you're referring to in a partnership with Berger in conjunction with their custom rifles that featured custom chambers (meaning they weren't actually 270's by definition of SAMMI spec) which were longer to accommodate longer bullets. They did it because 270 is gtg as is with modern bullets that have BC's that are acceptable by modern standards right?
Fifth generation Colorado native here. I hunt pronghorn and plains deer on private ranches out on the eastern plains here and in Wyoming. Every couple of years I draw a cow elk tag to hunt on a friend's ranch in the shadow of Mt. Evans.
For 35+ years, I've hunted with the same S&W (Miroku) .270. It has a 22" barrel and is topped with a Weaver 3X9 scope. I load my own rounds using 130gr. Speer Grand Slam bullets over 57 gr. IMR 4831, CCI magnum primers in Federal, Winchester, and Hornady brass. My S&W loves this particular combination.
For me, its all about harvesting high quality meat. That's the primary reason I choose to shoot a .270 Win. Good shot placement at a known range keeps meat loss to a minimum. Keeping shots at or under 350/375 yards insures that the Speer bullet will do what it was designed to do. Also, I know my own shooting limits. I'm not a big man, The .270's recoil is easy on my 155 lb. frame. Add in that I am 75 years of age, my eyesight isn't as good as it once was. All these factors add up making Jack O'Conner favorite round perfect for me.
I also like what "GunBlue490" has to say about this venerable round:
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I love that almost a year later, there’s 3 new .277 calibers with the 277 fury, the 6.8 western, and the 27 Nosler.
270 is dependable and will get the job done in most cases ! Certainly a contender for best all around catridge !
Eh, I still shoot 8mm :)
Longest successful shot I've taken with my Remmington 270 bolt action was 1,200 yards. I'd say its more than capable of putting any game down.
I agree
I've seen reloads at 70 grains. Never shot one that small, bet that it's fantasticly flat and fast
Can't do it bud sorry Im in PA and I have a 270 and it just doesn't work I use the 140 grain and it's just hits not very hard I pick up my 7MM Remington Magnum Modle 700
Ive shot 5 huge elk in arizona and 270 was used everytime.
Today I learned there's elk in Arizona
I'm headed to Unit 10 in Arizona in mid October👍 I can't wait
Wai till you learn there’s elk in Kentucky and Tennessee
There is Elk in Pennsylvania, Virginia and North Carolina also.
@@aaronsgunsmithing THAT, I'm some reason content with
If I was gonna choose one caliber for the rest of my life the 270 win would be IT for all North American big game.
As long as I get to keep using Barnes TTSX or LRX bullets!!!😁
4 rds in the mag of my pump action rifle, I wouldn't even be too afraid of grizzlies 🤣
Can find 270 winchester ammo even now days.
270 and 30-06 are the 2 best North American game cartridges. I’d swear by one or the other. I love them both.
@@1014p can't find it now... Anywhere.
@@johnathenphillips Moses Lake WA
My Fiance' has a .270 and myself a 30-06, we go deer hunting out in the panhandle of Idaho and IF you are lucky you can get 150 yard shot in the woods maybe on a logging road straight stretch. Like most people, my dad had a .270 and it took antelope in Wyoming, deer and plenty other game here in the PNW.
I've got a friend that has been hunting elk and moose with a 270 for about 40 years, he has bigger rifles but when it is time to go, he always grabs the 270.
Love my .270 been hunting for years with it!! Best all around cartridge IMO!!
I love my 270. It’s declining because so many new cartridges are being put on the market. It will be around for a long time to come. Great all around caliber & I believe it has more potential than what it’s done so far.
I love the 270 and I regret getting rid of mine
I think it's only declining because there are a lot of people out there that seemed to think they need to hop on a bandwagon. Now I have a 270 but I don't use it for much. I've been hunting all my life and competitively shooting with a thirty-ought-six. It's the cartridge everything else is compared to but a lot of people will also tell you the 30 ought 6 is non-existent anymore when in fact it's still reigns King and it always will and I believe the 270 is one step behind it. But I do it'll buy us because of how I grew up with a thirty-ought-six.
At the end of the day only three things matter... How comfortable you are with the weapon in your hands and your marksmanship skills and is long as the cartridge is large enough to get the job done. I wouldn't go hunting Alaskan grizzly bears with a 223 if you know what I mean regardless of how comfortable you are with the weapon.
Every cartridge is declining because of all the options. When I was a kid, it was basically, 270, 243, 30/06, 308, 7 mag, 300 mag. Everyone had to choose from those, basically. Now, jeez there are dozens more readily available
Oh I almost forgot the best part of owning a 270.
When you step in among the hunting party with a .270, you command instant respect and credibility ha ha ha.
Only A connoisseur of calibers would have the wisdom of ending up with a 270 as his main hunting rifle.
And that is why it is the best cartridge
Well said
best ? I think it depends upon situation and game, but 270 win is an excellent deer spieces and almost anything rifle
Very well said!
@@ashmerch2558 BEST...
... At being AWESOME!!!!!!!! LEGENDARY!!! ha ha ha
@@jonathanmitchell3733 it would be my first choice for the lower recoil, flatter shooting sub 30cal options
This video puts a whole different twist on making a PB&J...
I've used 270's a number of times over the years. When I did my part, the 270Win never failed. Great video!
Nice site that you have here. In my life time I've been fortunate to hunt from the top of the world to the bottom of the world(Africa). Moose, caribou, grizzly, whitetail deer in North America. Dik Dik, blesbuk, Kudu(elk sized), waterbuk, warthog, Eland(over 2,000 lbs),oryx(500 lbs) , and more, all shot in Africa, They all went down with one shot each. I only messed up with one shot on a big 500 lb waterbuk....shot him a wee too far back. A 2nd shot took care of the my mistake. All of these animals were shot with a .270 Winchester. I had the best one shot record in my hunting camp as the other hunters ALL had hard kicking calibers and were flinching. Finn Aagaard, a Kenya born pro hunter of Norwegian descent, said he had witnessed more one shot .270 Winchester kills in Africa than with any other caliber. Why? LOW recoil, flat trajectory, high velocity= easy good shot placement= swift one shot kills. Finn immigrated to the U.S. in the late 1970 and became a gun writer for the NRA American Hunter Magazine. His experience and very good common sense plus a nice personality made him popular with his readers and people who knew him. I've shot the .270 for 60 years sine age 10....not one failure can it be blamed for in all of those years of hunting. I will leave the two well used .270;s to my two sons. Glenn
Thank you for this testimony, Glenn. You’ve just sealed the deal for me on whether or not I need to diversify my caliber options in this class- and the answer is now a clear “no.” Obliged.
@@lionessathena8679 Thanks! The .280 Remington, 7 x 57mm, 6.5 x 55, 30-06, and 7mm Rem are also very good. With the same bullet placement from these five calibers I've never been able to see any difference in killing power. I believe Finn Aagaard was right when he said bullet placement is 90% of killing power...the other 10% is the unknown. The .270 Win just works. Glenn
@@glennrcampbell5431 Makes sense to me. Any opinions on 7x64mm? I recently acquired a Mauser 66 chambered for it (lucky me!). It appears to me that the ballistics are superior to .30-06 past 200 yds. (And the real beauty is that I can actually get the ammo at a reasonable price at the moment- ha!)
@@lionessathena8679 Hi...Glenn here. The 7 x 64 Brenneke(Germany... year 1917) is exactly the equal to the .280 Remington(USA year 1957). Just use the loading data for the .280 Remington as the two have the same case capacity in 30-06 size shells and are can't be used in each other's chambers. The loading manuals will tell you to use the .280 Rem data. It is one of the great cartridges of the world as is the .280 when you look at all of the data. You'll find the 7x 64 may have a long throat which can cause issues with 140 grain bullets and less weight . 160-175 gr bullets have always been more accurate in the 7 x 64. Finn Aagaard and his wife Berit used the 7 x 64 in Kenya for 15 years as their light rifle and it performed perfectly using the 160 gr H-Mantel(Partition type of bullet)bullet from RWS. Hope that you like it. I gave a .280 Ackley improved to my son. It kicked more than my favorite .270 Win. Glenn
@@glennrcampbell5431 Thanks for the advice, Glenn!
I've taken many elk with my .270 Win. Remington Premier AccuTip 130 grain easily dispatches elk inside the 500 yard distance that I'm comfortable shooting.
I have been using my late 90s Savage M110 in .270 Win for whitetail for 20 years. I love this cartridge and would never sell it. If I had to use it for elk I would bump up the bullet from 130 Nosler Ballistic Tip to the 150 Partition or something similar that shot accurately. My brother took his mule deer 🦌 at 418 yards with his .270.
I hunt in Colorado and my 270 win is my all around gun. Elk, muleys and antelope. Dropped elk at 400 yards using 150 gr soft points. 270 is way underrated.
Couldn’t agree more!
400 yards? holy crap, thats not hunting - thats sniping. either way, its very impressive.
In New Mexico many locals take Elk with 270 win within 400 yards
Love the videos and effort you all are putting into them, but I don’t know what Dinky .270 ammo you guys are looking at but the most common rounds that I find are 130 grain with an average muzzle velocity of 3060 ft./s and 150 grain with an average of 2850 ft./s both of these rounds carry 1500 foot pounds of energy out to 400 yards minimum. Also there is a plethora of videos and articles showing and talking about successful Elk hunts taken with the .270 online. It is a flat shooting high-powered round that is capable of taking any big game animal in North America.
Yeah, I have no clue where they got their numbers. 270 with a 150 grain accubond LR has more energy at 400 and 500yards than a 165 grain accubond LR from a 30-06. I just don't understand the numbers they gave.
Not capable. HAS TAKEN EVERY NORTH AMERICAN BIG GAME ANIMAL. Ya its not a 338. But u shoot anything that walks with a 270. Under 300 yards and its dead.
Agreed. I also think they’re full of it talking about the decline of the 270 and how reloading components for it will be scarce. They are clearly youngsters who haven’t seen all the fad cartridges come and go. The 270 isn’t popular in searches because people that own 270s don’t search around for the latest and greatest rifle.
I think way too much is made of high BC bullets. 99% of hunters have no business shooting past 400 yards. You don’t need high BC bullets to shoot at practical hunting ranges. The 270 is a very flat shooting cartridge within practical hunting ranges. Flatter than the hyped cartridges with high BC bullets. BC doesn’t really start to make a difference until you get out past 300-400 yards. I buy bullets based on terminal performance on game not BC. Most of these high BC bullets like ELDx and Bergers are terrible hunting bullets.
I own two medium-big game hunting rifles. A 270 and a 300 Win MagI shoot 130-150 gr Nosler Partitions in the 270 and 200 gr Nosler partitions in the 300 Win Mag . That 130 gr Partition in the 270 flying at 3100 fps shoots very flat and gives a tremendous point blank range. It is a tough enough bullet to take an Elk with. It truly is a goldilocks load. I mainly go to 150 gr loads when I’m expecting shorter shots snd want to cut down the velocity.
Back in the day when I knew zip about rifles and hunting, my brother-in-law talked me into buying a second hand (? third hand) bolt action rifle in .270 Win. It's an Interarms Mark X. It was inexpensive and came with a peep sight. I put on an inexpensive 3-9 scope and it's still my favourite rifle.
Deer, moose, caribou, black bear, mountain goat, and stone sheep.... no problem. The only reason it hasn't taken an elk is that I've yet to hunt elk (coming soon).
I started my reloading with the .270, using IMR 4831, CCI 200 Large Rifle primers and Hornady 150 gr. InterLock flat base spire points. I found a powder load that gave excellent consistency and accuracy for my particular rifle and have yet to see a reason to try any other powder/bullet combination.
I've since acquired rifles from .222 Rem. up to the .375 H&H. If I could only use one, it would be hands down the .270 Win.
Cartridge videos are the best, so informative
I’ve been slaying elk with .270 for decades. I have lots of big magnums...but always reach for the 270 first. It just works.
@@LivingBetterOutdoors No animal on earth will ever be able to tell if it’s been shot with a 270 or 7mag…To me, no reason to shoot a 7mag if you have a 270. The last bull I killed with my 270 was last year…525yards, 130gr Nosler Accubond right in the shoulder. The bull never took another step. I think the result would be the same with a 7mag
I don’t get where they are getting their velocity or energy numbers from, bc they are both well under that of any box of .270 I have laying around. Federal terminal ascent shoots 136 grains at 3000fps w 1562 ft/lbs at 400y . Barnes: 129 grains 3140fps and 1580 ft/lbs at 400 and Hornady’s factory loads 145gr at 2970 and 1714 ft/lbs at 400 (1497 @ 500y). All sea level number, which would carry more energy further at the elevations elk typically live at. Seems you are selling the cartridge a little short.
“Calories of destruction” is the coolest test Iv ever seen haha
Love your channel, new subscriber. I'm a fan of the 270 but this video was a bit light on discussing what it does well imho. Very flat trajectory, very fast muzzle velocity. There are several good reasons to consider hunting with a 270, not all of which were covered here. Might want to incorporate ammo cost into your discussion points. Just a few suggestions/feedback. Keep up the good work!
Definitely could have been cut down to 2 minutes.
Great points.
Agreed. The extra 200 fps over the .30-06 shouldn't have been skipped over. And their "average velocity" seemed like more of a minimum.
.270 has MORE energy than .30-06 past about 200 yards.
Backfire: please less shooting peanut butter, more thinking about the cartridge.
The .270 drops just 11 inches at 300 yards, compared to 14 for .30-06 or .308, and the difference between the rounds' trajectories only increase as the distances get longer.
.270 is an excellent cartridge for longer shots on lighter game like pronghorn.
@@dtroy15 Great post and I really agree on the use of the 270 for antelope. To me it’s an ideal cartridge for them. I’m a little confused on your drop at 300. My 270 drops just 4.5” at 300 when shooting a 130 Accubond that leaves the 22” barrel at 2965 and sighted in 2” high at 100. Still a great post.
Most 130 gr .270 is listed at 3050 or so. With a 200 yd zero you'll hit 6" low at 300. Zero at 265 and you'll be 3" high at about 155 and 3" low at 310 . You have to step up to some serious magnums to shoot flatter than that if you want to hit hard. We're getting at the outer limit of range for a lot of shooters in field positions and most people shoot a lighter recoiling rifle better than a severe recoiling rifle. So the .270 has all the point blank range most people can use and enough oomph to knock down anything other than bison and grizzly polar bears, at least on this continent. Why would you shoot anything else?
That's the real downside of the .270. I want to buy another rifle but have no reason to.
Hell yeah - been waiting for the .270 win vid.
Same
You own one?
I got my elk 2 years in a row with a. 270. Dropped it where it stood.
Love the video guys!
I do take issue with your characterization of the .270 as a short-range cartridge.
Compared to the 6.5 creedmoor, the 270 outperforms it in drop, and is essentially identical in wind drift at all practical hunting ranges.
Ive loaded mine with 150 grain Round nose and slow it way down and it works really well at range where a 130 at 3150 might destroy meat. Having said that, I just use my Savage 99 Featherweight in .300 Savage, or my Savage 1899 in 30-30 Win.
@@ranchodeluxe1 Good choice. Where I hunt currently, most of my shots are under 100 yards, so I use 150 RN as well. Impact velocities close near 3000 FPS would probably be iffy with cup and core 130 grain bullets.
The 270 is absolutely capable for elk. 4 of my daughters have taken bulls here in AZ with the same gun and load. I hand loaded 150 grain Hornady flat base bullets at 2800 FPS and it works great.
Can you please take a 2nd look at the elk usage of this round. If you compare nosler ABLR 308win 168gr to 270win 150gr they are almost identical
One of my favourite hunting cartridges. Lot of confidence in this cartridge. Love it.
I love the bullet profile videos. Thanks for the information in these videos!
I have been using a 270 for 35 years in Western Oklahoma wher a shot could be 25 yards or 400 plus. I have taken one at 600 yards even. Bullet construction has improved on the short shots. I have just switched back from a .243 Win after prepping my wife for a once in a lifetime elk hunt. The .243 Win is an awesome round on deer out to 400 yards with non lost in 20 years. Our whole family uses it, and reduces confusion on ammo in the truck. You should do a review on the 243 as well which is great except for elk and larger.
BTW, I know a lot of parents that want you two charged on wanton waste of peanut butter during a peanut butter shortage.
I really enjoy these cartridge videos and the corresponding website. Please do more of them. It helps me decide the next rifle I am going to buy. Trying to compare coyote cartridges right now.
270 winchester only con I have is I don't have enough of them . Best game caliber ever invented.
I’d argue that the .270 rifles that I’ve shot are a lot snappier on recoil than the .308 rifles I’ve shot but y’all did the research so believe you. .270 is my go to for deer and pigs in Texas!
I just got a Desert Tech MDRX in 6.5 cm.... just perfect for hogs!! Not quite as much power as .270, but with 19 more ready to go with just another finger twitch, it'll do! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I agree with your argument even though they did some research as mentioned. I recently purchased a 308 savage axis rifle with the 22 inch barrel. I shot 180 grain bullets out of it because I couldn't find any 150 grain bullets. The 308 kicked much less than my 270 did in a model 700 rifle shooting 130 & 150 grain bullets out of it. I shot a cull buck and a doe this year in texas at seasons end with the 308 and the recoil and muzzle blast were far less than my 270. And both deer only ran about 50 yards before piling up and giving up the ghost. Don't get me wrong, the 270 is a great caliber but I think the 308 recoils less.
I was given a .30-06 by my grandfather back in the 80s when I graduated from a shotgun with buck-shot. I still have that Savage model 110 and its a killer. My first impression of the .270 was it was a meat masher. My uncle had one and on sholder shot it ruined meat. didnt think much of it for about 30 years. We hunt in SC where the shots are under 100 yards and the deer are smaller than some other areas of the US.
I started my son off with a model 93 Mauser in 7x57 for a few years then gave him the .270...Never looked back. He shots a 150 grain round nose and it hits like a ton of bricks. not as much meat damage as the lighter rounds and we havent tracked a deer yet. Still think the 7x57 is the ultimate deer round but .270 with a heavy bullet a close second.
I don't shoot past 300 yards based purely on my own idea of what's right when killing something. I'm a .270 shooter
Glad you guys went over this I've decided if I do anything close I'll just get 30-06
150 Remington coreloc is all I use up close or 250- 300 in my 270
Outstanding choice!!!!!!!!!!!
My family has been takein big game (lots of elk) with the 270 for over 50 years we all use 270 Winchester even the kids use them.
Saw your video as I was reading a Jack O’Connor book. The Hunter’s Shooting Guide. Anyone who hasn’t read his stuff should do it. His books are available used. I have all of them that I could find in the last 45 years.
270 for the “win” Lol. By far my favourite deer round up here in Saskatchewan. Dropped a buck yesterday with my tikka 270 130 grain the way to go for deer.
these guys don't seem to know much about the 270 I own both 270 and 308 and a 270 will kick more like a 30 06 than a 308 depending on the bullet weight also the 270 has been the go to out west for hunting for years I think probably in Wisconsin were I live they just started allowing rifles to be used in the southern part of the state where it's open farm land and alot of the hunters I know bought new 270 s for shooting across open fields .
@@joeblowporkhead864 Agreed with the recoil. Definitely not punishing recoil, but every 270 I've shot kicks a bit harder than a 308, and closer to a 3006.
@Ian Hey donkey. Go back and watch the video this
time. Pay attention to where they say recoil is between a 7mm-08 and 308.
Corey I did the same with my 270 tikka t3x I hit my 5 by 4 with hornady superformance 140 grain sst he maybe went ten feet then down he went. I also live in saskatchewan
Also have a Tikka .270 here in Alberta. Two years ago I took an elk with a 130 gr.Not my first choice (I was deer hunting) but he didn’t make it 70 yards
looking forward to more of these! keep up the good work!
Been waiting for another cartridge profile!
My first centerfire rifle was a model 700 in 270. An ADL that shoots power points under inch. Magnificent cartridge.
Long line of WI hunters in my family. The .243 was the best deer cartridge. When my Dad picked out his own rifle.... .270. He had moved out west and beleived it the best all around choice. Flat shooting and would handle any game in North America. I do not hunt but picked the Swede 6.5 Mauser.
Great perspective & consideration.
Hunt Simple youtuber has been working on a 270 project for almost a year. Interesting journey. I believe he recently harvested a decent bull elk with it. On this journey he had issues with heavier bullets in the 150 to 160 range having acceptable & consistent accuracy. His conclusion is that the older offering & it's rifles did not give the 270 an adequate twist rate to appropriately stabilize bullet and achieve such desired/required accuracy. I would have to agree. But with 140s and an appropriate bullet the 270 is a solid elk choice out to 400. Thanks gents.
I've been watching his series too. I've been loading the same bullet for my 270 and plan on using it for Caribou this winter up here in Alaska. My loads are chrono'd quite a bit faster than his, but still very accurate. My gun does have a 24" barrel though. Love that series.
@@inupik23 Appreciate the input. Thanks. Happy hunting. Stay safe.
I’ve been watching Project 270 as well. I knew he’d have to settle on a lighter bullet, but live and learn. He took that elk at 340 yards.
I don’t think these guys the 270 Win much justice. Not very knowledgeable.
Shot placement trumps velocity and bore size any day... I'd hunt anything in North America with a 270 win just know it's limits
I don't care about popularity, I care about what works. The 270 works on Elk, Right bullet right place, which is the same for any caliber..
Thanks for another review. Old reliable cartridge popularized by the late Jack O’Conner. My first rifle I bought for myself in 1977. Remington 700 ADL. Does not have the swag younger generation looks for but a true, proven, mild recoil, readily available ammunition, and effective in its theatre. I have not owned another since I sold it in 1980, but will acknowledge it is a fine and capable cartridge that most manufacturers have available in their line up.
Awesome! Been waiting for this video
I recently purchased a .270 because I decided to go hunting again after 14 years of not hunting. I have to admit it was not my first choice. I was surprised that the man who was managing the firearms had never even fired one. Due to shortages I had no other choice than to purchase it. I sighted it in with Nosler Accubond 130gr bullets and the recoil was next to nothing. I am used to shooting a 12ga slug gun pushing 385 grain bullets out at 1,900 fps. The .270 doesn't even compare on the bench with recoil. The more research I've done the happier I am. I still want to add a .308 to my gun cabinet and probably a .30-06 but this rifle is staying. My wife recently told me she would go hunting with me next year and I wouldn't be afraid to let her use this in the mountains of PA where I hunt. The recoil is light and I think it would be perfect for her too. I think this will be a great all around caliber for me. Thanks for the great video.
Hello fellow Pennsylvanian
I'm a .270 fan ! Love it for deer. Just bought another one to try some long range shooting. Not at animals ! I hope you right about the popularity dropping. Maybe the ammo will become more available !😁 great videos guys !👍👍keep em coming !
Nice! I’m liking the series keep em coming! 300 weatherby would be one I’d like to see.
270 is imo the ultimate deer sized round. Anything under Elk you cant do much better than a 270 but it really shines when handloaded at 3100+ fps with 130 grain bullets if you will be shooting at distance.
And more than enogh for elk also!
Just take your old 270, rebarrel, to a 1-9 twist or even 1-8.5 twist, run the largest bullets made, 160-175 grains, your still 100 fps. faster than the 6.5 creedmoore, not much more kick, and 1000x better down range performance.
Or just get a.280 rem
@@boredboiseboy - And rue the day you complicate existence for just a tiny bit of improvement :-)
they make a 175gr .277 dia bullet? i knew about the 160's woodleigh's & psrtitions, Nosler's 165gr ABLR and even Berger's 170gr EOL bullet, but 175 is new... im interested, high BC, high SD, im in
I would think a 1-10 twist would stabilize the 160 to 170 grain bullet better.
@@tonypool5999 - It doesn’t. Checkout the Berger stabilization calculator on their website. Plug in the numbers and see for yourself.
I don't own a .270 but I will soon! Let's see a work up on the 300 black out. Thank you for your time and hard work gentlemen!
Having an accurate rifle and the skill to make a well placed shot.......more important than caliber.
Thanks for the videos guys. New subscriber, I enjoy your channel and the approach you take.
I am going to have to get used to seeing you guys on this channel. I am so used to seeing you on Income School. I do like this channel also. I have had an interest in shooting for about 55 years of my life. Nice to see a different side of you.
I live in Eastern Oklahoma with rolling hills and miles of trees. The .270 is awesome for my area.
Love your work guys 👍. It’s such a shame the 270 is so mildly loaded with commercial ammunition hand loads definitely show a huge advantage .With reloads my 270 win is on par with my 6.5 PRC out to 450 yards with energy .
270 for elk & moose no problem !!
Pro tip....take the neck shot whenever possible for maximum effectiveness! I've downed many with my 270 win for over 25 yrs!
Thank you for the confidence and some assurance. I own a .270 and I don’t want to be limited to only deer. I don’t have the money for an upgrade at the moment
LOL "pro tip", Pros don't recommend neck shots to the general public. True they will bring an animal down with authority, but so will a high shoulder or whithers. If you miss a neck/spine shot by just a FEW inches and hit the esophagus that animal can no longer swallow food and will die a horrible death by starvation.
@@bobd8553 well Bob I'm pretty sure he's thinking people can shoot their weapon correctly. There's plenty of us that don't need magnums to get the job done. Our dads and grandads were taking whatever game they wanted long before magnums and ultra fancy bullets. I know a few friends shooting 300 Win Mag on small southern whitetail and wasting plenty of meat to blood shock all because they're compensating for not being good marksmanship. I still can't convince them that only need half the gun they're shooting. Btw, he did say "take the neck shot whenever possible".
I had a Ruger M77L in 270 in the mid 80’s. In Alabama, a lot of shots are within 100 yards, or even 500 yards in a soy bean field. The 270 worked very well. I took a neck shot from 60 yards on an 8 point that I rattled in. He fell immediately, and his back leg raised once and he was done. 60 yards is too close for a heart shot with a fast bullet.
@@thinktwice8860 plus....the heart is great table fare ! Thats another reason I avoid that shot whenever possible
You guys make awesome videos
I found it cool that u compared the 270 trajectory to the 243 the 2 hunting round I use here in WY.
I use the 243 for antelope and the 270 for elk, deer are a coin toss. Where we hunt a 300 yard shot would be an exception. We are usually hunting thicker timbered areas. My wife, daughter and all shoot 270's and have had a freezer full of elk since we moved here.
My biggest issue with the 270 isn't the cartridge- it's no one except Steyr make a barrel with a faster twist so you can stabilize heavier bullets. Love the 270! I do reload and 277 bullets r definitely easier to get a hold than other calibers lately!
Thanks for a cool video!
You’re absolutely correct about that. Steyr has had a 1:8.66” I believe for over 70 years. The reason is, it’s the same twist rate as the 7 x 57 Mauser and 7 x 64 Brenneke. 1:220 mm. The Germans learned to stabilize bullets a long time ago :-)
Love these videos!
I have 'always' favored the .270 Winchester, and have a Winchester M70 with the B.O.S.S. chambered in it. I have taken deer in Michigan with that combo. In 1999 I was hunting "Up North," and found myself questioning dragging a 52" long 10 lb. rifle through the deep woods. At my local gun store, I found a lithe little Browning A-Bolt Micro in .260 Remington that seemed to fit my imagined requirements. Upon testing all available factory ammo, I decided to reload for it, and just using data from Sierra and Nosler, I was able to load 2 different loads that fulfilled my needs (both grouping into less than an inch at 100yds) that grouped close enough together to facilitate the same zero on my scope. The really cool part...the Browning weighs 7.5 lbs. with a quality 3-9x40 scope and is only 39.5" long. Zeroed to 200 yds, it is excellent for deer out to 300 yds. I will probably be buried with the M70, but the little Browning makes hunting so much easier. Good review on the venerable .270!
Got one...love it....very accurate...very fast...makes me happy ...
My first center fire rifle was a .270 when I was 12 and have loved it ever since my dad always used a 30-06 and my brother the .270 WSM. 18 years later and I have another .270 a .35 whelen which I bought because my brother has one that I cut my teeth handloading for. My go to is always one of my .270s. the berger 170 and ABLR 165 are two great target rounds too that won't burn your barrel too fast.
Love this channel!
My .270 3,151 fps 130 gr. Smooth easy shooting rifle. Here in California 110 gr Barnes TTSX. My Uncle knock elk down with the 150gr .270. No problem.
I have 3 .270s. Been shoot this cartridge since I was 19 in a ruger m77. Been to South Africa and to Alaska shooting the caliber, last gun I got in it was a Ruger #1. I wouldn’t hesitate to shoot just about anything with it.
I love the 270. This is my first year using one and I love it guy a doe at 240 yds with one. Hit the spine dropped dead in her tracks.
Any deer will drop with a spine shot I suggest you stick to 100 metres as that is a bad shot
@@jamesjames4844 I was aiming at the neck since that was what was only sticking out. I can hit a deer at that distance in the lungs.
@@joshtwyman6319 I wouldnt take the shot until I new the deer was acting as a deer should it could be sick with a notifiable disease ,you do check the lymph glands ,liver, lungs for TB when you gralloch ?
@@jamesjames4844 it was healthy what happened was she kept running in and out if a tree line in kinda of a zig zag pattern and she stopped and I shot her.
Love your videos!
If you check the specs on the Browning X-Bolt Speed LR and the X-Bolt Hell's Canyon Max LR, you'll notice that you not only get the 7 1/2 twist but you also get a 26" barrel on both versions, as opposed to the standard 24" of other .270 Winchesters. Yet another game changer for the .270 Winchester.
I noticed that too looks interesting by the way I think that extra 2 in on the barrel length is the muzzle brake
I have a 270, 3006, and a 338-06AI. All based on 3006 case. Love them all. If you’re a good hunter and get within 300 yds. all get the job done.
I worked all summer when I was 16 back in 1965 to buy my .270 and put a first generation Leopold Gold ring 3x9 on it.. It was made in 1949 with a Belgium action on a JC Higgins model 50 (Mossberg). It was pretty plain Jane so I took the metal butt plate off and fitted a proper rubber shoulder pad to it. I had a friend add checkering to the stock and added some ivory inlay accents. It outshoots my Browning X Bolt .270 and is a deer/elk/antelope nightmare. I have mostly retired it so there will be some barrel left for the next generation to enjoy this rifle. I favor my .300 Win Mag for most of my Western hunting but always have my .270 along for the ride.
I'm so upset that I replaced my old .270 rifle with a .308. The 6.8mm/.277" 130gr bullet at 3100 fps is plains game magic. With a bonded bullet, it takes down anything, affordable, in South Africa. Kudu, Gemsbok, black wildebeest. Oh and leave all those other wierd bullet weights alone, 130gr, learn it, know it and you won't have any issues taking your Elk.
I agree however I used 140 grain nosler accubonds. The 270 is way more capable than people give it credit for especially with the wide range of bullets
@@noahbouchard5155 - Actually, compared to other calibers, there is not such a variety of bullets. To my lament. Recently, it has improved.
@@falba1492 I think there is a pretty good variety for the class it is in. You can get lighter cup and core bullets, monolithics, and a wide array of bonded bullets from many different top manufacturers like Nosler, Barnes, Hornady, federal, etc
Try the 129 grain Barnes LRX, with 60.5 grains of 4381SC. Shots about 3080 fps, and it hits like a brick. Must keep it over 2300 fps, about 400 yards max.
@@falba1492 I’m not an avid reloader for the reason that I get very good accuracy from nosler factory ammunition for less money than it costs to hand load. I personally use accubonds because they perform the best of any bullets I have used
I love your videos concerning different calibers.
Please make a video about the 8x57JS. Thank you and merry christmas!
Hi Tim...I had a new custom 8x 57 js in the past. I was offered utterly too much money for it nd it left me 15 years ago. It had a 26.5 " barrell and did 2700 fps with a Nosler 180 grain ballistic tip. This cartridge and the 30-06 are so close together in ballistics I decided to just stay with a 30-06 as it had more available ammo and was more available with everything and better BC"s of it's bullets. No difference of the two when properly loaded and used for 0 to 400 yards hunting IMO. Glenn
Hello Gents, love what you are doing and I think you are doing a great job. I wanted to comment on the energy of a 270 at 400 yards. Your findings were surprising to me such that I had to go and double check for my own purposes. It seems that a search on hornady shows most of their 270 loads are above that 1500 mark. some are in the 1600s, So I was curious how you arrived at the conclusion that it was below the 1500 mark for energy. I also (an maybe this is my own user error) could not find what weight bullets were used on backfire tv to produce the data shown.
thanks for any info, and again, good stuff, keep it coming.
The .270 Win is my go-to cartridge. I currently own 3ea .270 rifles. This chambering performs well against other popular cartridge's.
I don't deer hunt anymore but when I did I used the.270. I still have it in the safe and I wouldn't hesitate to grab it and hunt anything in North America tomorrow.
I went hunting with a 270 2 or 3 weeks ago didn’t shoot anything but I love that cartridge and the gun I was using
Shot quite a few elk with my M77 .270 all 1 shot kills.
What type of loads were you using, if you don’t mind me asking?
The 270 Winchester will be around long after the craze has died down, for some of these other cartridges. It has low recoil and is not a barrel burner.
The 270 Winchester , along with the 30-06, .243, the 7mm-08 and 25-06 are very hard to beat.
Nailed it
These new cartridges are improvements if existing calibers only they change the names from caliber to metric or add a name like Western, or SPC. In the end it's a similar bullet, but the real question is will it really become popular or is it just a fad of the new hotness? Just look at .224 Valkerie where is that now some 5 years after it's release? It faded out of memory within 2 years.
270,3030 are my go to deer gutters in mississippi
It is also very important to know how your gun shoots with the ammo you choose !
400 yards is no sweat for the .270. Shot my deer this year at 450 with mine. Put it right where I wanted. I've taken multiple elk with my 270 with 130gr bullets one was over 500yards. People hate on the 270 because they have so much money wrapped up in their designer cartridge with the cost of the gun and bullets reloading equipment chronograph range time fancy optics lmao. They resent those of us who can "get it done" with a less than $1000 investment and shelf ammo for $20 ish a box. The point is if you want to be in the "cool crowd" and brag about your caliber that's fine, but don't dog on a caliber that has been and will continue to preform adequately for almost 100 years. Don't hate we are all shooters/hunters. Besides don't you think there is a disconnect from the sport of hunting when your using a dope chart to hit something a mile away? Im actually going the other direction and picking up a 30 30 lever gun for next season. Can't wait
Never saw a ketchup and peanut butter test before, awesome. I have a Savage Axis 270 that I haven't gotten to the range yet, I'm looking forward to it.
6.8 western and then military adoption of a 6.8 being a possible thing might bring the projectile selection up a fair bit.
Rainsticktastic! The peanut butter ballistics medium should be the new standard! Not sure why that was sooo good to watch, but well done good sirs!🙏🏻
i took my .270 to africa 2 years ago, and i couldnt have been happier. i dropped a zebra, impala and blesbok at 120 yards instantly. im going again this summer and im brining the same rifle. there are only two things which matter (unless youre going for big, dangerous game) shot placement and ammo quality.
If the military adopts the 6.8x51(they are testing) it will drastically increase in popularity.
Anything the military adopts becomes hugely popular.
Springfield should release a 270 ai as the flagship long action version of their new bolt gun. 1/7 twist barrel. Hammer bullets has a .3 g7 bc bullet that would be awesome! It should come with a Redding die set!
I love your Channel! The .270 Win is an awesome round for many things especially deer. It is superior to the 6.5 creedmoor in velocity, power, drop, and wind drift for short or long hunting distances. One advantage the 6.5 creedmoor has is that it has less recoil but the .270 Win is so mild that the vast majority of hunters can easily handle it. The 270 Win also has a higher Taylor knock out factor. One mistake a lot of people make when comparing cartridges is they take an older one that has been around so long it has a wide range of bullets and loads and average them and then compare that to a newer cartridge that mostly has very high BC bullets available. The wide range of bullets available just makes the older cartridge more versatile. If you buy or load high BC bullets in the older cartridge (for instance the 270 Win) then it way outperforms it's so called average.
Here we go again! Compare it to a 6.5 creedmoor!!! Oh it’s wayyy better! Nooo shit! Your comparing a long action and a short action! Try the 270 and the 6.5 PRC! You won’t! Because your pet 270 will get smoked! You 270 fan boys tear me up 🙄
@@patrickgallagher4344 .270 might not match 6.5 PRC ballistics, but it's got better ballistics than 6.5 CM with more energy on impact, much better ballistics and lighter recoil than the .30-06, AND, best of all, I already have a rifle chambered in .270. If the gun industry has brainwashed you into thinking .270 isn't sufficient for most game including elk, then you deserve to be parted from your money. Me, I'll just continue filling my freezer with my .270 each year and spend my money on hunts instead of new rifles.
Can't wait to see the 300 wm
I’m not sure if you will see this but I really enjoy your channel. The elk rifle segment has been my favorite so far. You guys did a great job on the range finders and that was helpful. What I’m requesting is if possible could you compare several bdc type reticle scopes? Would love to see a Leupold , Nikon , Swarovski , and vortex ! I’m torn between the sig bdx system or getting a good bdc type scope and the Leupold 1600i rangefinder you recommended. Thx and keep the great videos coming.
You guys should come out with 300 WinMag next!!
It's the outmoded 1:10 barrel twist that's holding it back for long distance shooting. The new Sierra 175 gr bullet requires a 1:8 twist to stabalize it. To expect an open sight barrel design to really compete with weapons designed for scope use is unreasonable. If they change they barrel twist, they'd have a winner.
This is pretty funny to look back on considering how many .277 bullets the U.S. Army is getting ready to make! 😁