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Undercover RV tech reviews Tiffin Motorhome
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
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In this video I'll be reviewing a 2023 model Tiffin Phaeton 40 IH motorhome. Floorplan - www.tiffinrvs.com/specificati...
I’ve just started binge watching your videos and appreciate them. I’m just a geek about seeing how rvs are built and most of them disappoint me.
Welcome to the channel! Thanks for watching!
Bing watching is an understatement! I look for Every video just so I can stay on top of possible problems
I have to say that I love that you pull no punches. I have learned so much from you that I am using while we look for our full time retirement coach. Thanks so much
I'm glad you like my "harsh truth" style! I don't know where you're at in your shopping, but if you haven't yet I would check out my shopping course - undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/ If you're a ways away from buying, I would just take the free version. But if you're seriously shopping and close to buying, the paid one will help you a lot. Happy shopping!
Jake, your vids offer us a LOT of GREAT info!!! I look forward to your "next one" like waiting for Christmas. If I was 40 again, I would love to work for/with you for free because I would learn a fortune of usable information that would save me a ton of money. THANK YOU for helping all of us with our rollin' boxes of problems. Stay safe...
Thank you! I'm glad you like the videos so much. I have some interesting reviews coming out soon! Also, if you want to save money and you haven't taken my Tool-Free RV Maintenance course, you should check that out. 1/4th of the repairs I do are avoidable, and the course covers how you can save up to $50k in repair costs - www.howtonotbreakyourrv.com/
Thanks for exposing this ridiculous problem.
As you said, it's inexcusable!
We consumers need to hold them accountable. Other than not buying something, what can we do?
I had no clue about such things when I bought my 2022 Rockwood 2911BS Travel Trailer in November 2022.
I bought a brand new, very expensive (to me}, thing.
There's no reason to even consider that there is a plumbing issue before it even left the factory.
Sure enough, on our 3rd trip, one of those incorrectly plumbed fittings under the kitchen sink was leaking so badly that I had to turn off the water when we weren't using it.
The dealer "fixed" it under warranty.
Unfortunately, they didn't actually fix it.
They just redid the already incorrectly plumbed fitting.
They even left the old PEX band in the sink for me to find so that we could realize what "good job" they did.
Fortunately, I can park it in front of the house for a few days before anyone gets antsy. I'll bring it home and spend a few days fixing all of the plumbing fittings the right way.
What a joke.
If I knew even half the garbage I know now about RVs, I would not have bought one!!
But I did, and we love it, and I'm going to make the best of it.
That's what drives me crazy about this industry. The RV plumbing is wrong, so it leaks and then they "repair it" by putting in the same bad plumbing! It's insanity! Thanks for sharing
My 2011 DRV Mobile Suite hydraulic slide out on the living room side creeps out while traveling. I bought a RV Slide out lock that mounts on the inside of the rig. Works great and solved a problem for $50.00.
Your videos are awesome they show the good the bad and the ugly . Keep up the awesome videos. Denis from Santa Rosa CA
Thanks for watching!
I love your videos. I bought your online course and it’s been VERY helpful! Keep up the great work! I would love to see a review on the InTech RV Willow TT.
I have learned so much from your videos! Thank you for taking your time to educate us! I am going to some kind of RV in about 6 months as we going to retire in 17 months. I am trying to figure out new vs used. My research tells me to look for an older ( Golden Era) motor coach as the build quality was much better. Of course I will hire a certified inspector. I am fairly handy so as long as it is generally in decent shape I stand to save a lot of money.
Congratulations on retirement! If you haven't yet, I would check out my shopping courses - undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/ I also offer consulting if you need extra help picking something. I've bought a used motorhome myself to full-time in and it served me well for years, so you can definitely get something quality used if you know what to look for. Happy shopping and thanks for watching!
Funny how the only thing that failed was something that is not readily seen? I guess they all look for what to do cheaply that people won't notice? Good work Jake
Yup, that's the RV industry for ya. Cut corners where people won't notice. Thanks for watching!
If it ain't leaking... it ain't a Tiffin! Tiffin loves the white flex hose with pex fittings!!!
I know! There were so many times when I was looking at this RV that I was like "Why? Why so much flex hose?"
I have a 2013 Tiffin with the same hoses and fittings. I think they use them for moving with the slides. So why not use the same system everywhere. Economics of scale. I did replace a pex clamp that failed with a standard SAE clamp, that has held for 8+ years.
I’m not even in the market for a motor home. Just watching to support your great content!
I love these reviews. I think with enough views you will singlehandedly fix the plumbing standards of the RV industry. You're the only person I've seen talk about this.
Thanks! Yeah the more I think about it and the more horror stories I hear the more convinced I am that this should be a class action lawsuit.
We bought a NewMar Bay Star in 2022 before we were aware of this issue. I was relieved to find that it was correctly plumbed. Maybe Tiffin will wise up because of this issue. Thanks
I hope so! My goal is that the RV industry changes and stops ripping people off. Thanks for watching!
The problem here is it is now under the Thor name and we all know what Thor puts out. Sadly, they sold out to Thor ever since the quality that Tiffin was known for was in jeopardy. Good video !!!
Thanks for watching!
Just completed replumbing my Tiffin using brass fittings and perfect circle pinch clamps instead of the plastic crap they built it with, became sick and tired of "blowoffs" during the night, day or whenever the pex slid out the plastic fitting. The remainder of the coach is exceptionally nice.
Let me know how that work for you. Brass is a better quality fitting in the sense that it is less prone to cracking, but because the ribs that grip the PEX tubing are the same on brass and plastic, I suspect that if you reattached flex to the brass PEX fittings you may end up with leaks again long term. You said PEX slid out of fittings, did you have a PEX tube come off of a PEX fitting? Or was it the flex hose clamped onto PEX fittings that failed? I'm curious what year and model Tiffin do you have? Thanks for watching and for the feedback.
Completely agree except with residential fridges. I have replaced these under warranty and they’re just not that great in many mobile environments. Especially the Korean junk models.
That plumbing is inexcusable. I wonder if that has changed since Thor bought Tiffin or if that’s how it’s always been done?
Good question, I should review some older Tiffins and see - that be an intresting video!
I love your reviews. They're very helpful. My husband wants to buy a Leisure Travel Wonder RV, but the cost is so high. I've been researching the Tiffin Midas Class C. Is their plumbing also inferior? Thanks for any advice!
On MH, are those fittings easy enough to get to, like under cabinets or in bays, or will they ever be found in the walls?
What would be the cost estimate for a tech to redo the plumbing connections correctly in a used Tiffin Breeze 31br 2020?
So if I’m about to buy one of these what can be done about the plumbing fails prior to purchase. Mind you it’s La Mesa RV which is a whole other subject on its own.
Can you review the River stones? I’d like to know what you think.
I'll add it to my list, thanks for the suggestion!
After short of buying a custom built rv there are none that have quality enough to purchase. So Brinkley out Alliance out Forest River out to Keystone Jayco and all the other manufacturers out. So unless I have 270.000 to 1 million rving is OUT. Thanks for the info now I will just by house in AZ or Florida and for get rving.
Can you comment on a holiday rambler armada 44b?
Regarding slide mechanisms are all cable systems bad or just the Bal Accu-slide?
Just BAL Accu-slide.... which I know is confusing because the Accu-slide and Exact-slide can look similar. I teach how to tell the difference in my shopping courses- undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/
Now wait a minute Mr RV Tech… you’re saying you would re-plumb the rig… that’s a great service… how’s your schedule looking? 😊
Very interested in you examining a Northwood unit.
Short video coming soon on a 2018 Arctic Fox!
Can you rate a Northwood Mfg? An Artic Fox or Desert Fox are good choices.
I have a short video review coming soon, keep an eye out for that.
You mentioned Brinkley, who has reached out to you with information on what you have stated about their plumbing. I suggest that your continued credibility is based on you reaching out to the manufacturer , listen to their information, and then verify what they tell you is indeed fact! Thank you.
I don't speak to manufactures on the phone because 1) I want written record of what they tell me and 2) I try to keep my reviews objective by not forming relationships with brands. Brinkley would not email me like I requested and only wanted to talk over the phone....
Can you review an OutdoorsRV by Northwoods?
ORV is a separate brand from Northwoods. A sister company. I'm not a tech but was looking at an ORV, they use swintec slides. Called ORV to ask about the troublesome slide system and was told that since schwintec now uses a metal gear instead of plastic they are more reliable. We decided to go with a Northwoods Artic Fox that uses a rack and pinion slide. The Nash also uses a rack and pinion slide.
They're on my list! Thanks for the suggestion!
Please review a Rockwood signature trailer. I love the layout but I know from you Forest River is hit or miss on plumbing across their brands.
I have a Rockwood review coming out soon! If you can't wait, several people have reviewed them in my database inside my shopping course - undercoverrvshopper.com/
Have you ever looked at Newmar plumbing?
Here is a short video I did on a Newmar that talks about their plumbing. czcams.com/users/shortsG4nw-ODWSZI
Thanks for watching!
so whats the best travel trailer youve inspected?
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2024 Forest River Salem FSX 169 RSK- ours is ordered. I didnt look at plumbing under sinks But I do know there is a hose coming from under the bathroom cabinet to the toilet. That is the white flex hose. Prior to signing on the guided line purchasing at can we ask the dealer to switch that out to PEX and do you think they will?
Should we try to switch this out ourselves if they say no? Can a non mechanical person do this accurately?
I would not recommend trying it yourself unless you are comfortable doing DIY projects. Watch my Playlist about the plumbing problem and repair methods to learn more about what that would take to accomplish.
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No really surprise for Grand Design but hey at least the frame has not broken in half yet. OH wait, that is right give it 3.1 years after the warranty and it is sure to happen in any of their 5th wheel configurations. Especially if you put more than 4 weeks of use in it per year.
Does Lippert make any quality RV products?
Sure, I don't have any issue with their suspension components, they also make Slim-Rack slide system, and most through frame slide systems which I rate well. There are certain things like their hydraulic levelers and slide actuators that I end up replacing a lot, but there are probably more products that work well than don't from them.
Have you worked on or heard of anybody working on Spacecraft brand RV's?
I've not hear of them! Always glad to learn about independent RV makers. From the looks of their website they are not a manufacturer but a custom RV builder. As there is only one listed for sale online currently, it is not likely that I would be able to take a look any time soon. If you want to know how I would grade them, your best bet is to take my shopping course so you can assess one if you are able to see it in person. I wish I could say that if it is expensive it is plumbed correctly, but Tiffen as well as small independent manufacturers like Northwood have proven that wrong. undercoverrvshopper.com/
Will independent RV inspectors know to check the plumbing and report these defects?
Technically this wouldn’t be considered a defect, it’s poor design.
I would think that if you want an RV inspector to point out design flaws you better ask. Otherwise they’ll just point out defects
No, sadly they won't. They're not trained to check the plumbing. They're trained to make sure all the systems are working and that there are no manufacturing defects. I still really recommend an inspection before buying a RV. But I also recommend educating yourself because things like plumbing and bad slide outs are not something an inspector will tell you. If you're seriously shopping, I'd recommend my shopping courses - undercoverrvshopper.com/mini-course/
Living Vehicles also cost more than I can afford. I am not sure an undercover tech can easily inspect them though.
Tiffin is owned by Thor and that should be a deal breaker.
So this is not a Bob Tiffin Motorhome but a Thor built Tiffin. I think that matters.
Well, I've worked on Tiffens from before Thor bought them that had as much bad plumbing. Unfortunately the RV industry just believes this to be acceptable practice.
Wow 😳 Tiffin! Pay attention here, ya got a big problem. 🍻
I hope they do and we see change. It's a nice bus which is why it's such a shame they do the plumbing so bad. Thanks for watching!
@@undercoverrvtech I think the word of this has to reach the big cheese (tiffin's son i believe), n from what I hear, it's then a change will occur. 🍻
We got a bad one no one will call us back we have a 50 th anniversary they will not call us back it is sitting on the side of the road 15 miles up the road with 3000 miles
Call us Tiffen
isn't Tiffin one of the Thor group?
Yup, Thor owns a lot of brands
Newbie here- can you do a video of what should be in your tool bag for camping? Does your paid app have repair how to’s? We have already ordered a Forest River Salem FSX 169RSK
My Tool-Free RV Maintenance course does not show repair work, it does give maintenance advice to avoid repairs. www.howtonotbreakyourrv.com/
Must have found a decent one, fit and finish in new Tiffins is NOT acceptable.
Tiffin don’t stand behind their rv’s. They have countless lawsuits going on now.