What is not shown in the video is that the ARMSID can be updated (new firmware) and configured to sound like a real SID 6581 and the difference is really small. Just run the configuration program on their website and play with the filter sliders. The ARMSID is more expensive but it opens up more possibilities.
You are absolutely right, maybe we will record a specific video about that. The purpouse of this video was to test different chips, not showing all the features. Plus we usually don't aim to make adv for free. ;-)
@@triplefreedom your ARMSID sounds very much too odd with noise generator, are you running the test with the latest firmware? I just did a test with my (very old) ARMSID (which runs the latest available firmware to date) and haven't noticed such a drop on volume. Just for comparison I tested SIDKICK-PICO (firmware v0.21), real 6581 (datecode 3384), FPGASID (firmware rev.0A)... X-SID was a no-go for me since it didn't support paddles so I can't test/hear myself how it sounds.
@@RyuunosukeFujinami We tested it using the firmware installed by them when we bought it (June 6th 2024). If we have time to upgrade it maybe we could run the test again. Loved your comment thanks!
It is difficult to A/B/C compare when loudness levels vary (and there is distracting music between the takes, no matter how much I love Eurythmics), the cognitive function of our listening tend to favour anything slightly louder than an otherwise identical audio signal. It would also be nice linking to the recordings for listening and visual analysis at home since you made all the hard work of setting it up and recording the chips. It is my experience that ARMSID doesn't even get fundamental waveforms right, whereas theXSID is a passable approximation although it's quite different compared to 6581. 6581 is a lot harder to nail compared to 8580, when it comes to emulation or simulation.
Nice idea comparing modern replacements for the good old SID to the original. I never listened to the X SID but I know the ARM SID. I am a little bit shocked about those harsh digital sounds. Especially with the sound boost enabled. And, as already mentioned, you can configure the ARM SID. The only issue is, that it seems to have slight incompatibily to some SID Player programs. But my biggest "Personal issue" with this video ist the annoying background music. I really like that song but it should be enough to have it as main titles and not all time long.😕
@@triplefreedom erm, you know that's copyrighted, right? You get $0 from any income/clicks etc and everything goes to whoever owns that song and they now own this video. You can tell this is active as the description contains the song info/owner. Next time skip the music or use free music from the yt audio library.
@@endwigast5212 The Commodore 64 was officially released on **August 1, 1982**. This home computer had a huge impact on the market, becoming one of the best-selling computers of all time. Although it was launched in 1982, its real impact on the market became fully evident during **1983**. This is the year when the Commodore 64 began to dominate the personal computer market, thanks to its competitive price, advanced graphics and sound capabilities for the time, and support from a vast library of software, including games. As for the **Eurythmics**, their single "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)" was released on **January 21, 1983**. The song was hugely successful, becoming one of the most iconic tracks of the decade. So, the connection between the success of the Commodore 64 and "Sweet Dreams" is noteworthy: both had a significant impact in 1983. While the Commodore 64 was solidifying its position as a leader in the home computer market, "Sweet Dreams" was climbing the music charts.
I did a very similar video a few years ago ... my conclusion was that the Armsid is 99% close to the original .. all the others just don't come close ..I am talik 6581.. the original 8580 never sound right to me anyway ...I hope you have them all set to the same model chip.. also the comparison is better done with the sounds side by side .. Great video tho .. keep up the good work 😉
I would have been curious to hear the soundtrack of the Tetris game, the longest soundtrack of all. (over 25 mins) I remember that with one of the first custom SIDs (even emulated C64) , it was really bad and many nuances were missing czcams.com/video/Ny743c32gPg/video.htmlsi=pkWnifoRywrDAvLi
this is strange, before writing the previous post I replied at this givin' a link to another videogame music (Gordian Tomb) that spans over 31 minutes... did I screwed something or was it deleted by purpose? Maybe the BGM from Gordian Tomb doesn't stress that much SIDs featured but it is very (and I mean so) looooooong! Anyway... many ***cheap*** SID replacements simply doesn't compare to TheRealThing[TM]... in order of personal taste there are only FPGASID and ARM2SID/ARMSID that should be considered real replacement while all the others might be useful for testing a faulty C64 Board having no complaints if magic-smoke shows. ^_^
Not even 2 mins in, but have to switch off due to the unnecessary and distracting music in the background. Sorry - looked like an interesting video too.
Sorry, gave up because of tge background music
New version online without music and shorter version!
What is not shown in the video is that the ARMSID can be updated (new firmware) and configured to sound like a real SID 6581 and the difference is really small. Just run the configuration program on their website and play with the filter sliders. The ARMSID is more expensive but it opens up more possibilities.
You are absolutely right, maybe we will record a specific video about that. The purpouse of this video was to test different chips, not showing all the features. Plus we usually don't aim to make adv for free. ;-)
@@triplefreedom your ARMSID sounds very much too odd with noise generator, are you running the test with the latest firmware? I just did a test with my (very old) ARMSID (which runs the latest available firmware to date) and haven't noticed such a drop on volume. Just for comparison I tested SIDKICK-PICO (firmware v0.21), real 6581 (datecode 3384), FPGASID (firmware rev.0A)... X-SID was a no-go for me since it didn't support paddles so I can't test/hear myself how it sounds.
@@RyuunosukeFujinami We tested it using the firmware installed by them when we bought it (June 6th 2024). If we have time to upgrade it maybe we could run the test again. Loved your comment thanks!
@@triplefreedomplease consider to use Audacity or other software to compare waveforms
It is difficult to A/B/C compare when loudness levels vary (and there is distracting music between the takes, no matter how much I love Eurythmics), the cognitive function of our listening tend to favour anything slightly louder than an otherwise identical audio signal. It would also be nice linking to the recordings for listening and visual analysis at home since you made all the hard work of setting it up and recording the chips. It is my experience that ARMSID doesn't even get fundamental waveforms right, whereas theXSID is a passable approximation although it's quite different compared to 6581. 6581 is a lot harder to nail compared to 8580, when it comes to emulation or simulation.
Good comment and hints, thank you so much!
Nice comparison! Good work!
Thanks!
Nice idea comparing modern replacements for the good old SID to the original.
I never listened to the X SID but I know the ARM SID.
I am a little bit shocked about those harsh digital sounds. Especially with the sound boost enabled.
And, as already mentioned, you can configure the ARM SID. The only issue is, that it seems to have slight incompatibily to some SID Player programs. But my biggest "Personal issue" with this video ist the annoying background music. I really like that song but it should be enough to have it as main titles and not all time long.😕
Good comment and hints, thank you so much!
Like the MOS SID6581R4AR and the MOS SID8580R5. Use it on the C64 Reloaded MK 2015.
Love it!
Sweet dreams of watching a video without unnecessary music. 🙂
Commodore 64 and Sweet Dreams share the same year (1983). Plus, we love that song...! :-)
@@triplefreedom erm, you know that's copyrighted, right? You get $0 from any income/clicks etc and everything goes to whoever owns that song and they now own this video. You can tell this is active as the description contains the song info/owner. Next time skip the music or use free music from the yt audio library.
@@g4z-kb7ct We own the license of that song. It's NOT the original one, of course.
@the_jcbone - Agreed, that song is played obnoxiously throughout the video. Just horrible!
@@endwigast5212 Agree! I can love a certain music, but 37 minutes of it made my ears bleed
Delete the sweet dreams music it has nothing to do with the C64.
Commodore 64 and Sweet Dreams share the same year (1983) so it has everything to do with it. Plus, we love it...! :-)
@@triplefreedom C64 was released in 1982.
@@endwigast5212 The Commodore 64 was officially released on **August 1, 1982**. This home computer had a huge impact on the market, becoming one of the best-selling computers of all time. Although it was launched in 1982, its real impact on the market became fully evident during **1983**. This is the year when the Commodore 64 began to dominate the personal computer market, thanks to its competitive price, advanced graphics and sound capabilities for the time, and support from a vast library of software, including games.
As for the **Eurythmics**, their single "Sweet Dreams (Are Made of This)" was released on **January 21, 1983**. The song was hugely successful, becoming one of the most iconic tracks of the decade.
So, the connection between the success of the Commodore 64 and "Sweet Dreams" is noteworthy: both had a significant impact in 1983. While the Commodore 64 was solidifying its position as a leader in the home computer market, "Sweet Dreams" was climbing the music charts.
@@triplefreedom hello. Is this a cover of the song? Sounds like a sligtly different version.
should not play background music as it is modt distracting
We love that music :-)
It does pollute the comparison as well
I did a very similar video a few years ago ... my conclusion was that the Armsid is 99% close to the original .. all the others just don't come close ..I am talik 6581.. the original 8580 never sound right to me anyway ...I hope you have them all set to the same model chip.. also the comparison is better done with the sounds side by side .. Great video tho .. keep up the good work 😉
Wow thank you sooooooo much, we will surely follow your advice. You are way more expert than us.
I would have been curious to hear the soundtrack of the Tetris game, the longest soundtrack of all. (over 25 mins) I remember that with one of the first custom SIDs (even emulated C64) , it was really bad and many nuances were missing
czcams.com/video/Ny743c32gPg/video.htmlsi=pkWnifoRywrDAvLi
Good idea! We might like to test that!!!!!!!!!!
this is strange, before writing the previous post I replied at this givin' a link to another videogame music (Gordian Tomb) that spans over 31 minutes... did I screwed something or was it deleted by purpose? Maybe the BGM from Gordian Tomb doesn't stress that much SIDs featured but it is very (and I mean so) looooooong!
Anyway... many ***cheap*** SID replacements simply doesn't compare to TheRealThing[TM]... in order of personal taste there are only FPGASID and ARM2SID/ARMSID that should be considered real replacement while all the others might be useful for testing a faulty C64 Board having no complaints if magic-smoke shows. ^_^
Not even 2 mins in, but have to switch off due to the unnecessary and distracting music in the background. Sorry - looked like an interesting video too.
We made a shorter version czcams.com/video/dvRlpEbCYF4/video.html with a very low volume, let us know thanks!
Great idea for the video. Not so great video.
Sorry to hear that, we love the comments though
@@triplefreedom Next time, lose the obnoxious background music.
Stopped after 2 minutes because of the annoying background music.
New version online with music on super low volume (not annoying) and shorter version! Thank you for the advice!!
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