I am not sure if the new penguin is my favorite version or not, but dang she is a really strong Contender and after only one appearance! The ruthless mother angle was absolutely incredible, in simply changing them to a woman highlights a slightly different side of the Cabaret style the penguin usually exemplifies. And I am still marveling at the decision to turn the iceberg into a cruise ship, I mean there are so many layers to that it is absolutely perfect. It's one of those ideas so good that you have to wonder why no one thought of it before. And I was pleasantly surprised to see Barbara is a lawyer. Based on the shot we saw of her shooting a gun in the trailer I expected this to be her never on-screen police career, but making her a lawyer means that we can highlight two sides of the legal system in Gotham while creating a clever linchpin to connect other cast members. She had a direct connection with the police, the courtroom, and even more external characters like Dr quinzel. What a smash hit version of Barbara, and I cannot wait to see more of Harley Quinn in season 2. And I too hope we get further developments with Penguin, because one episode is just a waste. If only there was more time to explore the characters. Let's hope this series runs for a long time. This character dynamic was so good! And the cast were all fantastic. My sweetheart and I binged the entire series and were absolutely giddy. Tingles by the end!
There is no 'flashy animation' due to budgetary restrictions. Timm / Tucker et al would LOVE for a modern day equivalent to TMS to handle the animation but they are working to the budget they have. Thankfully, as always with these amazing creative teams, the character and art design holds the piece up and compensates for the limited animation.
It's such a worthy addition to the Batmanimaiton pantheon- they really do perfectly balance maintaining character's core qualities and adding new traits. When I heard Minnie Driver was Penguin I assumed she'd use a recieved English accent and play up Penguin's delusions of grandeur like an evil Hyacinth Bucket. I'm not saying that should have happened, I just though it might.
@@michaelandreipalon359a character in a sitcom called Keeping Up Appearances about a stuffy middle aged lady that always acted like she was from a prim and proper family, but she lived in lower middle class suburbia.
Turning the Penguin into a woman is one thing, but making her a single mother of two? Uh, you don't think she's in the market for a Mr. Cobblepot, right?
After we've all enjoyed these episodes of Totally Schway Flipside, if you still can't get enough Caped Crusader, may I recommend The Batman Audio Adventures. I discovered it by accident right before Caped Crusader dropped and it was a match made in heaven. The series leans as explicitly as possible into anachronism, featuring both the internet and 10-cent payphones. It features vintage throwbacks, familiar favorites, and fresh takes on characters and concepts. I listened to the first season just in time to roll right into Caped Crusader, binged that, then dove right back into Audio Adventures. It's far sillier than Caped Crusader, to be sure - imagine Brave and the Bold if you've ever seen that. Yet it still manages to be heart-wrenching and even downright terrifying on occasion. It's campy, zany, fun, and wildly imaginative. I cannot recommend it enough, and the early 20th century aesthetic is really helping me work off the craving for more Caped Crusader. And, Lord, did I need it.
I haven't listen to those yet. I think it would be nice to listen do while trying to chill out. I remember when payphone went from 25 cents to 50 cents. People were really upset by that.
I ❤Mama Penguin And I hope she comes back to Run for Mayor of Gotham because i really want to see that happen in this show. Watch her play this city like a harp from Hell 😎
@@SerumLake I ❤the idea of Oswalda Cobblepot becoming mayor because of Batman Returns 😂I love that movie I wonder if Christopher Walken would play Max Shreck in this show like he did in the movie in 92
@@michaelandreipalon359 I like the Gothy Riddler of the Batman 04 played by Robert England. But I have a fondness for Jim Carey Riddler & John Glover Riddler 😂 But Frank Gorshen was great too
I found Penguin being tall weirder than Penguin being female. Not necessary changes but they did really make it work and it did set the tone well for some things being different in this particular iteration of Batman (such as Harveys Dent and Bullock being way more corrupt.)
I can sort of understand the criticism about diversity in the 40’s. I don’t think it was needed or anything, but I do think it might have been interesting if they’d showed racism, sexism, and homophobia as being prevailing societal issues. It think it could’ve been interesting if they’d shown characters like Barbara trying to battle the sexist system, or Renee and Harley having to hide the fact that they’re dating. Again, it’s not like it ruins anything or that it was needed, I just think it could’ve worked if they’d decided to go that route.
You pretty much summed up my feelings. I would like to see that mined for interesting and impactful storytelling, but a purely aesthetic take is really fun. And I'm glad they went this route, since socio-politics gets me down enough in real life. It was refreshing (excellent choice of words, Mary) to just watch people be people and see Batman fight gangsters and a ghost. And it still managed to work well without pulling any punches. Best of both worlds, I think.
And so it begins. Rebinging Teen Titans, The Batman 2004, and Batman: The Brave and the Bold will have to wait a while. Surprised that the first ep is Penguin's spotlight, in my opinion. Anyways, Bats' look is fine as is the usual, all while the first arty strike in the ep sure felt like a true downer, since Batman didn't save the goons there. How the heck did people figure out the Penguin is an Oswalda way before the leaks, I wonder? Anyways, she's so far a worthy iteration. That umbrella trick with the cannon sure made me think she at least won in some manner. I didn't think Aaron and Ronald looked like that secessionist's sons though. Anyways, I actually thought Aaron was voiced by Bruce Timm, since he looked a bit like the guy. Am surprised he shared the same VA as ratty Ronald though. I suspect Bullock will turn over a new leaf after a great event that affects him, not unlike one or two iterations out there. 'Course, I may be wrong as I go forwards with the rest of the show... though if I am right, it's the redemption of Ellen Yin all over again. Gotta like how Barbara saved a handcuffed crim who got abandoned by Bullock. Even if she won't possibly become Batgirl (being a lawyer is a busy career, day in and night out), she'll still be a heroine who saves lives, no matter how scummy they are. Bad faith arguments against Caped Crusader are inevitable. Even I bet there are 1966 and Superfriends fans who badmouthed B: TAS many years ago. Still, there is a side in me disappointed that the show has no historical connections and a set timeline. Believe me, I'm a sucker for grim WW2 foreshadowing and occasional trivia being mentioned, and believe me, no timeline means a lotta hassles for archival folks like the Watchtower Database in case there'll be bigger, better sequels. Interesting how Alfred sounds like a mix of DCAU Alfred and The Batman 2004 Alfred. Higher pitched as the former, yet verbose as the latter... but it could be how my ears interpreted the inflection. Bats and Barbara having a nodding interaction is just priceless. I actually like how Bruce tiresomely joked twice about "falling overboard" to Barbara and a few ladies afterwards. Guess we're back with the aloof Burtonverse Wayne personality there. Say, Smears, is Bruce Greenwood ir Roger Craig Smith in the Top 5 animated Batman list? Wait, Kevin Smith replied on the SL Onomatopoeia vid?! What can we say, Diedrich Bader so far is doing well as the affable jerk Harvey Dent. Looks like his Canmore experience from Greg Weisman's Gargoyles hasn't faded yet. Gotta love seeing the Batsub, all while feeling morbid because of the numerous crates under the water. Now that was neat "show, don't tell" horror. Was expecting blood to appear in the ep. Appreciate how Pengy called Batman "Dracula". Felt like a very neat nod to Joker calling the hero "Drac" in the very first ep of The Batman 2004, "The Bat in the Belfry". (And since Nocturna will show up...) Can't believe I heard a familiar clanging sound effect (rewatch Justice League+Unlimited, particularly the episode "Clash", and the aforementioned DC Comics cartoons, and you'll hear what I mean) when the arty shell hit the GCPD. Also heard said sound effect during the Mami Tomoe vs. Witch Gertrud showdown in Puella Magi Madoka Magica's second ep (it involves a giant couch), as a non-Western animation example. The idea of taking down Penguin and unhousing the GCPD, thus leading to a chain reaction benefitting Rupert Thorne (who seems as manipulative as The Batman Strikes tie-in comics iteration), sure reminds me of The Batman 2022 movie with the flooding of Gotham, but the Penguin there still being around. Well, will watch the next ep right after seeing this part of the podcast. So far, so good.
@@A1ml33y But she mostly works when Barbara Gordon isn't around, she can be overshadowed by Renee, and I don't like the adultery role of her character.
So, I was always intrigued but cautiously optimistic about the show. The trailers never really blew me away and so I was a bit trepidatious about watching it. Still I will always be of the belief that releasing all the episodes at once is a stupid idea and terrible for marketing purposes. If anyone likes binging that's perfectly fine, but the show will not be nearly as popular as it could've been. That's not to discredit whatever format someone might prefer to watch a show in, it's just a statistical fact based on the examples of streaming services having done this in the past with it rarely leading to positive results. The few instances where it is successful is if the show is ludicrously popular like Stranger Things, which is a level of popularity that, let's face it, Caped Crusader wasn't going to reach regardless. So with that out of the way, I just watched the first episode a few moments ago. I thought it was… fine… I guess. Not that memorable. Didn't really hook me in. One thing I was worried about from the trailers was the animation seemed a bit underwhelming and so far I still feel completely this way. The animation is consistently pretty lacklustre. Characters stay completely frozen, the frame rate is extremely inconsistent (and not in an artistic way) , the CG cars can be distractingly rendered most of the time and just generally the characters seem to lack a sense of fluidity whenever they move. For the few instances that X-Men '97 tried to disguise the few missteps they had with their animation, Caped Crusader multiplies that by tenfold. The background paintings of Caped Crusader however are really great. Penguin was a fun change and an alright threat. Although for me still whenever I think of Penguin, his mannerisms, his cadence, is unique laugh and voice I will always think of Burgess Meredith from the Adam West show. The voice cast is solid but doesn't really stick in my memory so far either. I really love the music and thought it felt really atmospheric. Obviously not as iconic or bombastic as Shirley Walker's music but it feels very appropriate for the show. Hoping the show improves but if it's the same quality it's kind of mediocre. I'm going to watch episode 2 in a short while after writing this comment.
I really hope Stranger Things won't start jumping the shark near its end. Shows nowadays tend to be that way, as woefully seen with Game of Thrones and Star vs. the Forces of Evil. Can sympathize with the staying frozen bits, they reminded me too much of Archer (a show I'm not hyped on about). I don't mind the CG vehicles though. It's been a thing since the Justice League cartoon with, say, the Javelins. And also hope that Season 2 is where things grow the beard, not unlike how Justice League reached its stride in Season 2.
I dunno, I think the Netflix model of dumping everyone episode at once has been very successful. Granted, shows like X-Men ‘97 captured the public consciousness for a longer time because it was on the weekly schedule, but I HATED the wait between episodes. I’ve never liked the TV companies determining when I watch something, so I’ll always prefer this method of delivery.
@@SerumLake The fact that you hated it means that it illicited a strong reaction which is what it is supposed to do. Regardless if it was inconvenient you felt compelled to watch it. It made the show even more popular which is the point. I fear the Caped Crusader will be forgotten within a few weeks by general audiences who aren't into Batman usually.
@@SerumLake Yes I know that's what I meant. The frustration is part of the process. You lose the suspense of having to wait after a great cliffhanger. Without it, like I said, I fear that Caped Crusader will only be popular with general audiences for a few weeks.
I originally had reservations about the new Penguin but I was won over by the first scene Honestly my main sticking point with the series is the animation, I felt like even with the budget they did have, it lacked... Stylisation ? I also missed the strong use of shadow like BTAS. If it wasn't for Batman being there the visual style could passed of for any other show in a way that something like BTAS' shadows were incredibly recognizable didn't suffer from. The intro of the show actually has a very strong visual identity that I like Also that they didn't stick to the 1940s bit, I would've been fine with sidestepping some social issues but also they sidestep any other interesting material that could come from the time period except for episode 2 basically which was a minor let down Though I will say, it does feel like a bad faith argument to say "You shouldn't want to learn about the past from a cartoon", because people that care for historical accuracy also tend to be people already familiar with the history. I'd say it's more people that would've enjoyed seeing the effort put in to make it authentic even if it sidesteps over some of the uglier stuff, committing to the bit per se. Saying "Go pick up a book" feels like the wrong way to express a justifiable idea because it's missing the point of *why* people are saying like, like if it's just an excuse to make racist batman or to undo the race swaps rather than a genuine desire to see commitment to the time period, the past isn't just ugliness and racism. Not saying you're wrong per se, but I would say it isn't the best explanation for what you feel
I have to agree the frist episode to me is probably the weakest one for me. I've only watched 7 episodes so maybe my opinion will change but for now I putting the frist one like at the bottom it's not bad but the other episodes are really good in my opinion
Inevitable. Reminds me of when "Secret Origins" was a good tale, but it's nothing with "The Savage Time", "Twilight", "Starcrossed", and the CADMUS arc in mind.
I thought the Harley reveal episode with The Playpen was the weakest. It was very disjointed and the ending was too over the top for the setting. This first one was a great episode for setting up this version of Gotham, so I can't rate it low. It hit all the notes for establishing the tone.
I think lady penguin Olivia or Octavia something classy with an O cause oswalda is hard to say for me 😂. I'm going to enjoy watching these at work on breaks ❤
Just finished the show and starting this series. More like btas than what I was expecting, especially in violence (which i was worried about), but pleasantly surprised. So far, I like new penguin, did expect more from the character in later episodes. Oh, well, not my choice, but looking forward to it. No issues at all at the race, sexuality changes, especially love its presented as matter of fact, like who cares. I really like babs as a public defender. Great growth. I liked the bruce saying the joke twice part. I love the opening. Id love more of that. Harvey Dent was definitely my fav part of the series. Totally unexpected. Makes me want a series where he does actually succeed in becoming mayor, especially in the very divided world we live in, but trying to do it right. I want more.
I personally don't have any issues with Harvey Bullock being an actual dirty cop. I sorta have an issue that we have 2 dirty cops at once. Honestly, I feel like they should have had one or the other. But that's just me thinking. I really love this show. And I want to see more of it.
@@MarySusanMears Yes, I'm just saying we don't need 2 ( reoccurring) dirty cops sharing equal amounts of screen time at once. The more I think about it, I'm kinda glad Bruce Timm didn't think to include Aaron Ackhard (I hope I spelled his name right) from the 1989 Batman movie. But who knows, really. Anyway, I would have felt a little better if Bullock was neutral instead plain bad like Flass.
I went ahead and watched all the episodes first before I come in to the awesome podcast! I will share I actually do enjoy Mrs penguin over Mr cobblepot as we've had tons of iterations of him as a male before! The fact that she was willing to off her own children shows how much more cut throat she is! Also...did Batman really let her get away? Because she certainly looks like she wouldn't stay around to be arrested!😂😂
I not afraid of spoilers. I wanna hear thoughts on first two episodes so tell me about penguin and I assume Clayface to your heart’s content strangers😅
@@SerumLakeI guess we understand snakes differently then I came back after watching. This is exactly what I call snake. What you think of as a snake I call douche
Sorry, we're only on CZcams (Luke's too lazy to get it on other platforms) but if you want to download it and listen offline you can use the CZcams Music app.
I’m just putting this hear because idk if it’s a real thing but Harvey dent if you listen to that name HALFey dent and also dent like a dent in his face imjust thought this was a fun idea also hey Luke and Mary
I am not sure if the new penguin is my favorite version or not, but dang she is a really strong Contender and after only one appearance! The ruthless mother angle was absolutely incredible, in simply changing them to a woman highlights a slightly different side of the Cabaret style the penguin usually exemplifies. And I am still marveling at the decision to turn the iceberg into a cruise ship, I mean there are so many layers to that it is absolutely perfect. It's one of those ideas so good that you have to wonder why no one thought of it before.
And I was pleasantly surprised to see Barbara is a lawyer. Based on the shot we saw of her shooting a gun in the trailer I expected this to be her never on-screen police career, but making her a lawyer means that we can highlight two sides of the legal system in Gotham while creating a clever linchpin to connect other cast members. She had a direct connection with the police, the courtroom, and even more external characters like Dr quinzel. What a smash hit version of Barbara, and I cannot wait to see more of Harley Quinn in season 2. And I too hope we get further developments with Penguin, because one episode is just a waste. If only there was more time to explore the characters. Let's hope this series runs for a long time.
This character dynamic was so good! And the cast were all fantastic. My sweetheart and I binged the entire series and were absolutely giddy. Tingles by the end!
This Barbs is going to end up being my favourite character.
@@MarySusanMears She IS my favorite in this series. Can't wait to see where she goes after this.
There is no 'flashy animation' due to budgetary restrictions.
Timm / Tucker et al would LOVE for a modern day equivalent to TMS to handle the animation but they are working to the budget they have. Thankfully, as always with these amazing creative teams, the character and art design holds the piece up and compensates for the limited animation.
There are lupin the 3rd references in BTAS
It's such a worthy addition to the Batmanimaiton pantheon- they really do perfectly balance maintaining character's core qualities and adding new traits. When I heard Minnie Driver was Penguin I assumed she'd use a recieved English accent and play up Penguin's delusions of grandeur like an evil Hyacinth Bucket. I'm not saying that should have happened, I just though it might.
Hyacinth Bucket?
Montoya and Barbara were real highlights for me, didn't expect that honestly
@@michaelandreipalon359a character in a sitcom called Keeping Up Appearances about a stuffy middle aged lady that always acted like she was from a prim and proper family, but she lived in lower middle class suburbia.
I didn’t expect to find Keeping Up Appearances references in this comments section, and yet here we are!
@@SerumLake Hmm, don't think I've ever watched that comedy.
It was a dark and stormy night! There's an email in Lukes sight!
It was Batman on screen,
who came off mean,
But Luke at it up like whipped cream!😅
accurate
Turning the Penguin into a woman is one thing, but making her a single mother of two? Uh, you don't think she's in the market for a Mr. Cobblepot, right?
I hate to think what happened to her sons' father!
Yeah, I ain't touching that with a 40-foot pole. I like my arms and legs attached where they are thank you very much.
After we've all enjoyed these episodes of Totally Schway Flipside, if you still can't get enough Caped Crusader, may I recommend The Batman Audio Adventures. I discovered it by accident right before Caped Crusader dropped and it was a match made in heaven.
The series leans as explicitly as possible into anachronism, featuring both the internet and 10-cent payphones. It features vintage throwbacks, familiar favorites, and fresh takes on characters and concepts. I listened to the first season just in time to roll right into Caped Crusader, binged that, then dove right back into Audio Adventures.
It's far sillier than Caped Crusader, to be sure - imagine Brave and the Bold if you've ever seen that. Yet it still manages to be heart-wrenching and even downright terrifying on occasion. It's campy, zany, fun, and wildly imaginative. I cannot recommend it enough, and the early 20th century aesthetic is really helping me work off the craving for more Caped Crusader. And, Lord, did I need it.
I haven't listen to those yet. I think it would be nice to listen do while trying to chill out.
I remember when payphone went from 25 cents to 50 cents. People were really upset by that.
@@MarySusanMears
I remember when payphones.
I ❤Mama Penguin
And I hope she comes back to Run for Mayor of Gotham because i really want to see that happen in this show.
Watch her play this city like a harp from Hell 😎
If she runs for Mayoress, then I'll bet a Riddler will topple her.
Bet there's a Riddler in return, a la Batman Adventures 2003.
That would be cool!
@@SerumLake
I ❤the idea of Oswalda Cobblepot becoming mayor because of Batman Returns 😂I love that movie I wonder if Christopher Walken would play Max Shreck in this show like he did in the movie in 92
@@michaelandreipalon359
I like the Gothy Riddler of the Batman 04 played by Robert England.
But I have a fondness for Jim Carey Riddler & John Glover Riddler 😂
But Frank Gorshen was great too
I found Penguin being tall weirder than Penguin being female. Not necessary changes but they did really make it work and it did set the tone well for some things being different in this particular iteration of Batman (such as Harveys Dent and Bullock being way more corrupt.)
I can sort of understand the criticism about diversity in the 40’s. I don’t think it was needed or anything, but I do think it might have been interesting if they’d showed racism, sexism, and homophobia as being prevailing societal issues. It think it could’ve been interesting if they’d shown characters like Barbara trying to battle the sexist system, or Renee and Harley having to hide the fact that they’re dating. Again, it’s not like it ruins anything or that it was needed, I just think it could’ve worked if they’d decided to go that route.
I guess that wasn’t the kind of show that they wanted to make, but I agree that it was a missed opportunity.
You pretty much summed up my feelings. I would like to see that mined for interesting and impactful storytelling, but a purely aesthetic take is really fun. And I'm glad they went this route, since socio-politics gets me down enough in real life. It was refreshing (excellent choice of words, Mary) to just watch people be people and see Batman fight gangsters and a ghost. And it still managed to work well without pulling any punches. Best of both worlds, I think.
Kevin Smith's Batman story? Hell... some of us are still waiting for him to finish his Daredevil/Bullseye story 🙄
WORD!
And so it begins. Rebinging Teen Titans, The Batman 2004, and Batman: The Brave and the Bold will have to wait a while.
Surprised that the first ep is Penguin's spotlight, in my opinion. Anyways, Bats' look is fine as is the usual, all while the first arty strike in the ep sure felt like a true downer, since Batman didn't save the goons there.
How the heck did people figure out the Penguin is an Oswalda way before the leaks, I wonder? Anyways, she's so far a worthy iteration. That umbrella trick with the cannon sure made me think she at least won in some manner.
I didn't think Aaron and Ronald looked like that secessionist's sons though. Anyways, I actually thought Aaron was voiced by Bruce Timm, since he looked a bit like the guy. Am surprised he shared the same VA as ratty Ronald though.
I suspect Bullock will turn over a new leaf after a great event that affects him, not unlike one or two iterations out there. 'Course, I may be wrong as I go forwards with the rest of the show... though if I am right, it's the redemption of Ellen Yin all over again.
Gotta like how Barbara saved a handcuffed crim who got abandoned by Bullock. Even if she won't possibly become Batgirl (being a lawyer is a busy career, day in and night out), she'll still be a heroine who saves lives, no matter how scummy they are.
Bad faith arguments against Caped Crusader are inevitable. Even I bet there are 1966 and Superfriends fans who badmouthed B: TAS many years ago.
Still, there is a side in me disappointed that the show has no historical connections and a set timeline. Believe me, I'm a sucker for grim WW2 foreshadowing and occasional trivia being mentioned, and believe me, no timeline means a lotta hassles for archival folks like the Watchtower Database in case there'll be bigger, better sequels.
Interesting how Alfred sounds like a mix of DCAU Alfred and The Batman 2004 Alfred. Higher pitched as the former, yet verbose as the latter... but it could be how my ears interpreted the inflection.
Bats and Barbara having a nodding interaction is just priceless.
I actually like how Bruce tiresomely joked twice about "falling overboard" to Barbara and a few ladies afterwards. Guess we're back with the aloof Burtonverse Wayne personality there.
Say, Smears, is Bruce Greenwood ir Roger Craig Smith in the Top 5 animated Batman list?
Wait, Kevin Smith replied on the SL Onomatopoeia vid?!
What can we say, Diedrich Bader so far is doing well as the affable jerk Harvey Dent. Looks like his Canmore experience from Greg Weisman's Gargoyles hasn't faded yet.
Gotta love seeing the Batsub, all while feeling morbid because of the numerous crates under the water. Now that was neat "show, don't tell" horror.
Was expecting blood to appear in the ep.
Appreciate how Pengy called Batman "Dracula". Felt like a very neat nod to Joker calling the hero "Drac" in the very first ep of The Batman 2004, "The Bat in the Belfry". (And since Nocturna will show up...)
Can't believe I heard a familiar clanging sound effect (rewatch Justice League+Unlimited, particularly the episode "Clash", and the aforementioned DC Comics cartoons, and you'll hear what I mean) when the arty shell hit the GCPD. Also heard said sound effect during the Mami Tomoe vs. Witch Gertrud showdown in Puella Magi Madoka Magica's second ep (it involves a giant couch), as a non-Western animation example.
The idea of taking down Penguin and unhousing the GCPD, thus leading to a chain reaction benefitting Rupert Thorne (who seems as manipulative as The Batman Strikes tie-in comics iteration), sure reminds me of The Batman 2022 movie with the flooding of Gotham, but the Penguin there still being around.
Well, will watch the next ep right after seeing this part of the podcast. So far, so good.
I seriously hope we get Sarah Essen Gordon in this series she's a Character I liked from Miller's Year One and 90s
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@@A1ml33y But she mostly works when Barbara Gordon isn't around, she can be overshadowed by Renee, and I don't like the adultery role of her character.
i 100% agree on bullock i loved him as just a not great cop and that being some of the best that gordan had
It's nice to see different renditions of characters. I am so happy with how this show has turned out.
So, I was always intrigued but cautiously optimistic about the show. The trailers never really blew me away and so I was a bit trepidatious about watching it. Still I will always be of the belief that releasing all the episodes at once is a stupid idea and terrible for marketing purposes. If anyone likes binging that's perfectly fine, but the show will not be nearly as popular as it could've been. That's not to discredit whatever format someone might prefer to watch a show in, it's just a statistical fact based on the examples of streaming services having done this in the past with it rarely leading to positive results. The few instances where it is successful is if the show is ludicrously popular like Stranger Things, which is a level of popularity that, let's face it, Caped Crusader wasn't going to reach regardless.
So with that out of the way, I just watched the first episode a few moments ago. I thought it was… fine… I guess. Not that memorable. Didn't really hook me in. One thing I was worried about from the trailers was the animation seemed a bit underwhelming and so far I still feel completely this way. The animation is consistently pretty lacklustre. Characters stay completely frozen, the frame rate is extremely inconsistent (and not in an artistic way) , the CG cars can be distractingly rendered most of the time and just generally the characters seem to lack a sense of fluidity whenever they move. For the few instances that X-Men '97 tried to disguise the few missteps they had with their animation, Caped Crusader multiplies that by tenfold. The background paintings of Caped Crusader however are really great. Penguin was a fun change and an alright threat. Although for me still whenever I think of Penguin, his mannerisms, his cadence, is unique laugh and voice I will always think of Burgess Meredith from the Adam West show. The voice cast is solid but doesn't really stick in my memory so far either. I really love the music and thought it felt really atmospheric. Obviously not as iconic or bombastic as Shirley Walker's music but it feels very appropriate for the show. Hoping the show improves but if it's the same quality it's kind of mediocre. I'm going to watch episode 2 in a short while after writing this comment.
I really hope Stranger Things won't start jumping the shark near its end. Shows nowadays tend to be that way, as woefully seen with Game of Thrones and Star vs. the Forces of Evil.
Can sympathize with the staying frozen bits, they reminded me too much of Archer (a show I'm not hyped on about).
I don't mind the CG vehicles though. It's been a thing since the Justice League cartoon with, say, the Javelins.
And also hope that Season 2 is where things grow the beard, not unlike how Justice League reached its stride in Season 2.
I dunno, I think the Netflix model of dumping everyone episode at once has been very successful. Granted, shows like X-Men ‘97 captured the public consciousness for a longer time because it was on the weekly schedule, but I HATED the wait between episodes. I’ve never liked the TV companies determining when I watch something, so I’ll always prefer this method of delivery.
@@SerumLake The fact that you hated it means that it illicited a strong reaction which is what it is supposed to do. Regardless if it was inconvenient you felt compelled to watch it. It made the show even more popular which is the point. I fear the Caped Crusader will be forgotten within a few weeks by general audiences who aren't into Batman usually.
@@The_Phantasm I hated it because I loved the show and I resent being told when I can watch a show and for how long 😂
@@SerumLake Yes I know that's what I meant. The frustration is part of the process. You lose the suspense of having to wait after a great cliffhanger. Without it, like I said, I fear that Caped Crusader will only be popular with general audiences for a few weeks.
I originally had reservations about the new Penguin but I was won over by the first scene
Honestly my main sticking point with the series is the animation, I felt like even with the budget they did have, it lacked... Stylisation ? I also missed the strong use of shadow like BTAS. If it wasn't for Batman being there the visual style could passed of for any other show in a way that something like BTAS' shadows were incredibly recognizable didn't suffer from. The intro of the show actually has a very strong visual identity that I like
Also that they didn't stick to the 1940s bit, I would've been fine with sidestepping some social issues but also they sidestep any other interesting material that could come from the time period except for episode 2 basically which was a minor let down
Though I will say, it does feel like a bad faith argument to say "You shouldn't want to learn about the past from a cartoon", because people that care for historical accuracy also tend to be people already familiar with the history. I'd say it's more people that would've enjoyed seeing the effort put in to make it authentic even if it sidesteps over some of the uglier stuff, committing to the bit per se. Saying "Go pick up a book" feels like the wrong way to express a justifiable idea because it's missing the point of *why* people are saying like, like if it's just an excuse to make racist batman or to undo the race swaps rather than a genuine desire to see commitment to the time period, the past isn't just ugliness and racism.
Not saying you're wrong per se, but I would say it isn't the best explanation for what you feel
Honestly I get all of my information about the past from Charles Xavier.
I have to agree the frist episode to me is probably the weakest one for me. I've only watched 7 episodes so maybe my opinion will change but for now I putting the frist one like at the bottom it's not bad but the other episodes are really good in my opinion
Inevitable. Reminds me of when "Secret Origins" was a good tale, but it's nothing with "The Savage Time", "Twilight", "Starcrossed", and the CADMUS arc in mind.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yeah I would agree
I thought the Harley reveal episode with The Playpen was the weakest. It was very disjointed and the ending was too over the top for the setting. This first one was a great episode for setting up this version of Gotham, so I can't rate it low. It hit all the notes for establishing the tone.
I think lady penguin Olivia or Octavia something classy with an O cause oswalda is hard to say for me 😂. I'm going to enjoy watching these at work on breaks ❤
I love the name Octavia.
Just finished the show and starting this series.
More like btas than what I was expecting, especially in violence (which i was worried about), but pleasantly surprised.
So far, I like new penguin, did expect more from the character in later episodes. Oh, well, not my choice, but looking forward to it. No issues at all at the race, sexuality changes, especially love its presented as matter of fact, like who cares.
I really like babs as a public defender. Great growth.
I liked the bruce saying the joke twice part.
I love the opening. Id love more of that.
Harvey Dent was definitely my fav part of the series. Totally unexpected. Makes me want a series where he does actually succeed in becoming mayor, especially in the very divided world we live in, but trying to do it right.
I want more.
@@ggbetz You're in luck. There's a second season in production.
I personally don't have any issues with Harvey Bullock being an actual dirty cop. I sorta have an issue that we have 2 dirty cops at once. Honestly, I feel like they should have had one or the other. But that's just me thinking. I really love this show. And I want to see more of it.
I feel like most of the cops are dirty, except for a small number working directly for Gordon
@@MarySusanMears Yes, I'm just saying we don't need 2 ( reoccurring) dirty cops sharing equal amounts of screen time at once. The more I think about it, I'm kinda glad Bruce Timm didn't think to include Aaron Ackhard (I hope I spelled his name right) from the 1989 Batman movie. But who knows, really. Anyway, I would have felt a little better if Bullock was neutral instead plain bad like Flass.
I went ahead and watched all the episodes first before I come in to the awesome podcast! I will share I actually do enjoy Mrs penguin over Mr cobblepot as we've had tons of iterations of him as a male before! The fact that she was willing to off her own children shows how much more cut throat she is! Also...did Batman really let her get away? Because she certainly looks like she wouldn't stay around to be arrested!😂😂
I not afraid of spoilers. I wanna hear thoughts on first two episodes so tell me about penguin and I assume Clayface to your heart’s content strangers😅
Bullock being dirty is nothing really new I think. Some versions of him are snakes if I remember correctly
@@mrksimka1159 this Bullock is way worse than a snake!
@@SerumLakeI guess we understand snakes differently then I came back after watching. This is exactly what I call snake. What you think of as a snake I call douche
@@mrksimka1159there’s definitely a lot I would describe Bullock in this, but all I’ll say is he’s a scumbag, if not worse.
@@mrksimka1159I call him a murderer.
Can't wait to listen to these!
Is the podcast available on Spotify as I can't find it 😅
Sorry, we're only on CZcams (Luke's too lazy to get it on other platforms) but if you want to download it and listen offline you can use the CZcams Music app.
I’m just putting this hear because idk if it’s a real thing but Harvey dent if you listen to that name HALFey dent and also dent like a dent in his face imjust thought this was a fun idea also hey Luke and Mary