SPEED TWIN 1200RS - will Triumph make a great bike truly epic?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- The changes, upgrades and improvements I wish Triumph would make to the standard Speed Twin to make a very good bike a truly exceptional one. A look at what the Speed Twin RS could be.
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(Apologies for the mixed quality of the video and strange time/date stamps in some of the footage; I was having problems with my helmet cam. A new one is on order, so all should be back to normal in time for the next vlog).
Filmed around Alte, southern Portugal
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1. LED headlight,
2. cruise-control,
3. quick-shifter,
4. more comfortable seat; &
5. Larger fuel tank capacity.
My choice of colour would be British Racing Green, with a few tasteful off-sets.
Can't disagree with those :)
@@RocketMan_Moto - even an extra 2 litre fuel tank would be substantial. Your points about better suspenders certainly would be ideal on an "RS" model. My 5 points were just how the normal model should be in 2022 IMO.
Btw did you know Triumph has very real supply shortages to Australia? I'd say there's a good 30% choked off and orders are back up to August for a delivery, and in some cases to 2023....
Just bought a ‘20 model STwin. Will start building my own RS. I generally spend way too much modifying cars and bikes 🙁. That’s part of the fun for me, but you are right, I never get the money back.
Haha, welcome to the club :)
A very pleasant and information video as usual. Keep it up 😺🤙🏻
Thank you :)
Great idea RM! Hope you patent this before Triumph does! I’d call it the RM Special with a limited run of 1,000 bikes.
I like the sound of that😍
Nice one RM!
What’s life without dreams, dream on dreamer and share your dreams with us folks. Enjoy your ride.
And, oh please Triumph, fire the guy who thought about this spark plug cap colour and the guy who allowed it to pass to production 😊
Cheers
Lol, thanks, Kurush :)
You can flip the Monza style fuel filler cap so that the release catch is on the correct way round (facing the rider). It's a simple job - just do a search in a Triumph forum.
It's something I keep meaning to do :)
A nice improvement,that takes a whole minute!
I've heard that the open cap can foul the bars if they're on full lock..?
@@RocketMan_Moto Have just checked.... and it does! No intention of riding or manoeuvering the bike around with the cap flipped up,though. 👍
There's a thread called "How To Reverse Monza Filler Cap" on Triumph Rat in Forums > Twin Talk. If I post a link, the reply seems to be deleted by CZcams - odd.
Thanks for your thoughts on the ultimate upgrade for the ST. I didn’t think that the 2021 version offered enough for me to upgrade from my 2020 bike, especially since I’ve inherited the Vance and Hines cans and have already fitted throttle spacers and a fuel booster plug. For those who’ve never ridden a ST, they’re what the 1960’s twins should have been. Great handling, awesome engines and unquestionable reliability (no puddle of oil in my garage!) Apart from the fat tyre, I agree with your list, though I would accept another 20mm of height for a more padded seat. I don’t miss cruise control, but a quick shifter would be nice. If Triumph ever built such an RS version I would definitely upgrade!
Thanks, David. As it stands, the 2022 model can’t justify an upgrade from the first generation, but an RS would definitely be nice. Enjoy👍
Although I have never ridden an ST , I have ridden a T110 and 750 commando , and no way shape or form could either have ever performed like a current 1200 cc twin, if you want a comparison to a 1960s twin as in 650 cc BSA/Triumph , its the Royal ? Enfield 650 similar power/torque , over engineered compared to a 1960's twin , does not leak oil , and is ultra reliable , a comparison to a 1960's bike if it were built for the ST would have been a Panther 600cc single , yes not really a comparison as its a single and 600 cc , but I did state if it was built , imagine a Panther 1200 cc twin , now if that was a thing wow.... oh and a well sorted Vincent with modern chassis comparable running gear well .....
I had a customer survey from the Hinckley factory a few months back in which they ask what your next Triumph model might be? I ticked Speed Twin then up popped colour options such as Racing Yellow (a TBS colour) British Racing Green and Pacific Blue (a Daytona 955 colour) no mention of cruise control option (which I would definitely have) or spoked wheels (yes please) so it looks like 'they' are listening 😉
Oh nice. Fingers crossed, because I'm getting a bit tired of grey, lol :)
I like your wish list, I think it could be applied to whatever brand motorcycle that you owned. And on horsepower an old timer once told me all you need for a good bike is 50 HP anything more is just frosting on the cake, Well I personally like my frosting in the 100 HP range. Great video.
Thanks, Leonard. I agree 100hp is the sweet spot👍
Part of the enjoyment, at least for me, is altering, changing or adding on the aftermarket parts yourself. I have done everything from decating, remapping for added zip, side panels by Bakk, gp silencers by BritishCustoms. 2 custom seats, ohlins rear and andreani front shocks, air pod, handlebars, mirrors lights, better brake pads even a pedestrian slicer up front. etc.. If you want a wider tire Canyon spoked wheels and kit have what you're looking for.
The aftermarket parts are growing everyday for the Speed Twin. You are only limited by what you can afford. Fortunately I can. And now my Speed Twin is exactly how I want it.
I agree. A nice carbon fibre sprocket cover arrived today. Already fitted. Unnecessary, but satisfying, as you say👍
I have to agree with your suggestions for a Speed Twin RS, it'd make a very good bike great, my only worry would be would you be able to keep the monstrous low down torque if you gave it another 40/50 bhp whilst keeping the same cc, the bike that's impressed me most this year is the new Ducati Monster, its low down power makes my Street Triple R seem pedestrian in comparison even though it's 6 bhp down on power, take note Triumph.
That's true. Maybe they could make a 1600cc version to keep that torque, but with all these changes, I guess it would become way too expensive. Pity they don't do a retro version of the Speed Triple...
Nice ‘wish list’ for the Speed Twin! Not sure what else you could add. I really like your bike as is, but I haven’t ridden one yet. Another great video as always. Thanks and have a great week.
Thanks, Willy. I would encourage you to ride one if you can; it's certainly the best bike I've ever owned :)
I will get to ride one soon. We now have a local Triumph dealer. Our local Honda dealership just added Triumph to their list of bikes they sell. They have a very nice selection of inventory on hand.
Sounds like the perfect opportunity to try out some nice new bikes :)
Spot on, again! Some hard consumer advice and practical product consultancy right there.
They (Triumph) needs to hear you on all of these observations.
Thank you :)
Great suggestions. Would definitely pay a little more for many of the upgrades you mention. Glad to see you still have the bike!
Cheers!
Haha, yes nearly 4 months now - almost a record. Mind you, the itch is back and I’m looking to buy a second bike for the new season😬
@@RocketMan_Moto I think it should be the Speed Triple RR. For research purposes 🤓😎
I'm looking for something a bit left field - it's in my list of Top 10 bikes video ;)
Proud owner of the Speedtwin since 3 of Novembre allready 2000km down but weather is shitty^^ My first bike and it pulls so nice i cant wait for dry warm roads
Great bikes, for sure. Spring is just around the corner :)
I’d love to see more of the modern classic design language using their triples. Something that has that Bonneville style and the triple scream.
Couldn’t agree more. A real wolf in sheep’s clothing🙏
I’m in search of the perfect (well priced) bike here in the Algarve. Noticed you’re riding round where I live. It’s a difficult choice in these areas as it’s so tempting to go off tarmac onto gravel to really explore. Adventure bikes I know, but something classic not so easy. I’m going round in circles and keep leaning towards Fantic. Bikes are getting very pricey and I’m definitely with you on the first three points. 👍
I’ll be getting my new Honda Transalp in a week or so, which is more suited to the many trails here in the Algarve, but the Fantic is a good proposition, too
For me, the current Speed Twin 1200 is perfect for what it was intended, a classic look with modern engineering and components. The only thing i would change is the suspension at both ends. A pair of rear Öhlins from the Thruxton RS and Öhlins fork from the Speed Triple RS will greatly improve performance without sacrifing the classic theme
Completely agree. I actually just sold mine for a Tiger 900 - completely different bike, but just gives me that extra versatility I was looking for
Totally agree mate, especially the 190 tyre , I would buy one then
Hope the rumoured RS is more than just Ohlins shocks
Nice video. Nice wish list. And I learned so much about the local orange production.
Haha, never knew oranges could be that exciting😀
Great video hopefully triumph will bring out a speed twin rs 🤞stay safe looking forward to more videos
Thanks, Richard. Fingers crossed🤞😊
New to your channel.
I have the 2020 SpeedTwin...man i love her :)
Really enjoy ur videos, and got good ideas from it.
Keep it up, thank you
Thanks, Nuno😊👍
Nice video, got the feeling I'm a bit like you...always finding something else to buy. Had a Z900RS, sold it to get a Triumph Bobber. Traded those in for a Harley Low Rider S. Sold that one too, and got a BMW r1250r and while that's a great bike it's just a bit too perfect. So already looking into replacing that down the line, maybe a new Z900RS or a Speed Twin. Oh, and I re-bought my Harley since I realised I still want a cruiser next to my sporty bike in the garage :)
Haha, what are we like? I do like the look of the forthcoming Z900RS SE, but I think the Speed Twin's larger engine should ensure I'll keep it for the time being.
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@@tgdonovan1 I have a 2021
@@lapinobel happy with the ride?
In the garage is my 2021 S1000xr lacking torque makes165 hp short of a snooze. Most of your wishlist is on the beamer; minus the button for the espresso machine. (Crazy good quick shifter and 190/55ZR17 rear) Lacking a decent sound track makes me lust after the Thruxton RS; no quick shifter and the rear tire at 160 plus ride position (probably) prevents this error in judgment. Then there is all those nasty bolts to replace. Great videos couldn't agree more on pointing out all those manufacturing niggles that probably prevent Triumph from selling more classics.
Thanks for your feedback😊
Many good mentions, I just disagree on the sat nav.
Having one integrated in the speedo with a nice display would surely be awesome.
Maybe even Apple/Android Car Play could work on that for navigation.
Cause I'm thinking about getting a Speed Twin and how to keep it's looks when using navigation - which shows more then just an arrow. Because I like to see turns and intersections beforehand, especially when I'm new to that area.
I’ve ended up using my phone with a QuadLock mount
Mate! you must be my brother from another mother as I agree with everything you say.. ( which is normally not me) ride safe👍
Lol, thanks Mike. Ride safe👍
A little more horsepower say 110 to 120 HP and some upgraded suspension would be great. Having a speed twin 130 to 140 pounds wet weight would be nice. Should Triumph increase displacement to 1,250 or 1,300cc size engine? Yes. I like having the headers turn color and double walled pipes would just add weight. The instrument panel looks classic and should be kept the same. The catalytic converter should be in the exhaust slip on end pipe and this would simplify the frame etc.. Most of the other ideas complicate what is supposed to be a simple classically styled bike. Triumph should offer a speed twin R even if it has to be a special order bike.
I agree with pretty much all of that :)
That would be near perfection and with the price you mentioned, only In dreams, I’m afraid 😂✌️✌️
One can but dream😊
Yes! Throttle spacers- first 'mod' I did to my Thruxton R.
Vital
Hey, I'm from the future; there is a Breitling watch edition coming that will address some of your wish list.
Yeah… for an extra £5000😳😂
My ideal RS, would be moving back to the gatored right side up fork legs, but with Ohlins adjustable internals, Ohlin rear shocks, single seat, leather and stitched, high-mount upswept exhaust, adjustable rearsets, and all the engine internal lightening of the 2022...all wrapped in some glossy custom hand-worked paint. Maybe with some heated grips thrown in for good measure, and an alternate set of lower bars that I could switch out if I wanted.
Good suggestions, although for me gaitered forks look just a bit too old-fashioned now :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I can see that. =) For me, the new forks on a retro bike are a little, "neither fish nor fowl." It doesn't know what it wants to be. And after owning a string of modern, overly capable bikes over the years, I dig the "sleeper" nature of the Speed Twin in all its gaitored fork, twin pipe glory. Ride safe Rocket, thanks for the vids.
On a side note, I think the from the sound of things, a new Speed Triple RS is in your cards.
I get that, but I really like the 'resto mod' look of the new Speed Twin. I always thought the first generation looked a bit old fashioned. Horses for courses, of course. I love the Speed Triple, but it's too expensive for me as a toy (which bikes are to me) and I would lose my licence - or worse - within a few weeks.
If they make a RS Ill buy it the day it is available!
Me too! Have a great New Year :)
Noone seems to mind a lump of plastic next to the clocks! Brake fluid under your nose! Hate it! You nailed just about everything else rocket Man, enjoyed, you may even get yourself a new job! Well done!
Agree with some , not all , rear shocks , Yss as standard rear shocks , adjustable current front forks , pads with more bite/feel - optional ( as would mean every 3nd pad change would include a new pair of disc's) - better padded/taller seat , bigger fuel tank , better clock/s , spoke'd wheels one size up rear boot , 6 speed box , quick shift , built in usb/charger points , factory tool kit - like bikes used to come with stored on the bike - better/bigger choice of paint schemes , power/torque appears to be adequate for road use , that throttle upgrade , an increase to the power levels you would like would make the bike un-ride-able on the road , and as your not a track day person , not really an option , price wise no change , for what this bike costs , all the above should already be included , note there is a reason the Royal ? Enfield 650 is one of the best selling bikes in the UK ......
I'd take that :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Sensible very low cost factory upgrades , think anyone interested in this type of bike would .....lol.
La Speed Twin est ma moto depuis début janvier, et vraiment parmi les 40 motos que j’ai possédé, elle est la meilleure, je l’aime je l’adore 😍
Eh oui, une fois que l'on a goûté à ce couple... :)
Hey RocketMan, maybe you could summarize your suggestions in the description as well.
Not only for us, but maybe that even helps Triumph to keep up with. ;-)
Good idea :)
Another brilliant vlog
Thanks, Martin :)
Agreed with some but not most. New suspension would be lovely as well as more power.
Ah yes, more power... :)
You feature wishlist brought me back to "our" former idea how great a Trident 960 would be, Triple with ~960ccm, 130 HP and 100 NM, cerb weight 200kg, Brembo M4 Brakes, shocks on Street R level (Showa adjustable) , design of the Trident but maybe 10% bigger and 20-30mm more sear hight, exhaust, switchgear etc a little above Trident 660 (Street triple Quality would be enough) ready is the Triumoh Neo Retro upper Middle class bike for ~12.500 Euros, little less racy as the Street RS, liitle less classic as the SPEED Twin - for me the Trident 960 would be the perfekt one do it all bike.
Ooh yes please! A Trident with 130hp would be spot on. Might clash ever so slightly with the Speed Triple, though :)
The speed twin is a very good bike in its segment. Style and equipment wise is very competitive. All i can think about is up and down qs and cruise control. Seems to be an easy bike to be happy with.
Agreed. I'm very happy with mine and I don't really need the majority of the mods I mention in this video :)
@@RocketMan_Moto would you use it as a sport tourer? I feel naked bikes are adequate for sport touring, they are light weight and agile. Yes, wind can be an issue but it is so enjoyable to ride a fun sporty bike all day. I have done up to almost 300-400 miles on my mt09 and gsxs1000 and find them very good at that as well. How would the speed do?
If you can put some luggage on, then why not? I personally prefer touring in a car, day trips on a bike are great, but any longer and I'd rather have the comfort of a box :)
Maybe it's time to look at that speed triple again, has 95 percent of wish list, just lacks the somewhat confused retro looks of the speed twin, and l imagination in the paint department. Thanks for all your efforts, i do look forward to your uploads.
Thanks, Steve. I'm hoping to try the Speed Triple RR soon, even if it's not really my type of bike. I actually like the looks of the Speed Twin - sort of the equivalent of the resto-mod scene in the car world :)
@@RocketMan_Moto speed twin looks fantastic, restro mod is a valid way to see this bike. I have ridden the old street twin, i enjoyed the experience, however it left me wondering why I would speed 22500 Australian dollars , when I could have a street triple rs for 19000, or the 1050 speed for 23500. Both triples are better suspended and bracked, also the chassis is a step up from the twin. I think i resent spending a large some of money only to spend many thousand more to give the twin the suspension and brakes of a cheaper bike. In saying all that I do find the speed twin desirable.
I hear you. I owned a 2017 Street Triple RS - fantastic bike, but too racey for me. I sold it because I was sick of going everywhere 'at 200kph'. It also needs revving hard to get to the power, whereas the Speed offers more or less immediate delivery.
Are you kidding the new bikes are nothing compared to the old bike they may have horsepower and fancy electronics and crap like that they are not so much a motorcycle as a collection of government regulations on two wheels that is just sorry
Good video and some nice points by you.
Thanks, Lyn :)
I'd really like a T120RS using the same wheels brakes and engine from a speed twin with Ohlin’s cartridges in the front forks and Ohlin’s shock , wouldn't that be simple for them as they already have all those parts? Speed twin is a bit too cramped for me but I’d like the extra power and cast wheels so I can fit a bigger range of tubeless tyres , bike would still look much the same
That would be great👍
Thanks for your Speed Twin videos. 👍🏻 One question: Is this the right position for the knee pads? Don't like the ending position of the silver stripe half behind the pad. When then would have been positioned in the middle, they will cover the ends of the stripes. 😉
Good question: I originally ordered the gloss black model for that precise reason, but was forced to change because of availability problems. I agree the knee pad does not sit perfectly with the stripe, but I can't do much about it
I just got a 2022 Speed Twin a couple weeks ago and had knee pads installed by the dealer. They lined the top of the pad up with the stripe like I was hoping they would. The pad does sit a little high to the knee, but I have long legs so my knees do contact the pad. If my legs were any shorter or the pads any higher they'd be for nothing more than looks...which us all I wanted them for anyway!
I have owned the Kawasaki RS900 Cafe, and the BMW F900XR and have to say my speed twin T1200 is a much more refined motorcycle. It is so easy to handle and the power band and shifting is incredibly smooth. The overall build quality is excellent right down to the positioning of the tire air valves. My BMW was all plastic not to mention an engine made in China. In fact after only 3000 miles the water pump needed to be replaced. Greatly disappointed in BMW quality.
Totally agree. I had an F900XR for a few months and really didn't gel with it. I was taken in by the looks, but it was a massive let down. The Speed Twin is the best bike I've ever owned by far :)
You’re basically talking about a Thruxton RS - color is right on though.
I suppose so, but I'm not a fan of the café racer look or riding position.
I just hope there will be 3 things added to the next update.
1. Full LED headlight
2. Up and down quickshifter
3. Cruise control (at least as an option)
All those would be nice, especially the QS
Definitely agree (especially for the first two), but I like the "bare-minimum"/ "pure motorcycle" kind of attitude that this bike gives. It is a "back to basics" approach that works "as is". I like using quotes apparently :)
Nice wish list 😄 Perhaps Thornton Hundred may build one??? Would only cost approx £30K (and more)🤣🤣 But it certainly would be good to have an RS👍
TMF economics :)
I think the Speed Twin is an truly great retro performance twin. All of the upgrades you propose would be very welcomed on a “RS” version. The stumbling block for me is price. The Speed Twin has a starting price of $12,500 here in the U.S. Add another $2000-$3000 to get a “RS”, umm, not so sure. I can get a 2022 Yamaha MT-09 SP for $11,099 and have all the whiz bang electronics, an absolute beast of an engine and premium KYB and Ohlins suspension. I know it is a bit of an apples and oranges (from the Algarve, of course) comparison. Still, the price premium for the Speed Twin is already something that would sway my decision.
If I was musing about what I want Triumph to build me it would be a proper ADV version of the 660 Tiger. Tubeless wire spoked 21” front and 18” rear wheels; add 3” (75-80 mm) of suspension travel front and rear, fully adjustable please; leave the engine just as it is, no more electronic nannies or wizardry are needed, just let me be able to switch off at least the rear ABS; the brakes are fine as is on the Tiger 660 Sport; keep the weight at 200 kg, or a bit less, 400 lbs. would be nice; and keep the price right at about $10,000. Triumph if you are listening, thanks and get to work.
Thanks, Stephanie. I agree that Triumphs are very expensive, even here in Europe. My recent test of the Royal Enfield Interceptor, reminded me, however, that you - usually - get what you pay for. The RS I outline would definitely cost around $3000 more, and I think that would put it beyond many people's budget. A true Trident-based ADV bike would be great. Perhaps for 2023.
Thanks for the video. The comment on brake pads is interesting but does it make much difference between the brands, just asking for your opinion? I have changed my brake pads to a soft type or so the advertisement claimed and it felt better than the stock Yamaha pads, I think they were described as being “organic”? How on earth are they organic, I did buy them because they are softer and supposedly don’t wear out disks so much? This bike is interesting too and I may end up getting one in a year….Thanks
Thanks, Steven. Organic pads? Maybe they’re made of lettuce?😀 I’m no expert on brands, but I’ve been very happy with the EBC pads I fitted. They get good reviews online.
Interesting Vid. I would not want a 150hp bike without some sort of screen or fairing,or with this upright riding position........Unusable,but another 15 would be ok,along with a good session at the Gym, to shed a few pounds. Simple Rim tape/Graphics have improved my wheel aesthetics,but your suggestion of a polished edge would be the right way to sort it.....or even laced wheels. Throttle spacer,Fuel Booster and Performance air filter has made a huge improvement to the lower speed/urban riding throttle response,down shifting, and over all feel. As has the Zard 2:1,for several reasons. Next is a taller gear ratio,as the stock is ridiculously low and over revvy. Plenty of torque and power to cope with 3 0r 4 less teeth on the rear sprocket,without ruining the punchy performance. Overall, Triumph have produced a great bike with the Speed Twin IMO, and I love riding, improving and personalising it.
I agree that most of the mods I mention can be carried out if I really want/need them, but I'm happy with the standard bike :)
950s, or monster if you want to stay naked? Quickshifter up and down, 110 horses, Ohlins, Brembos, fatter tyre, LED's, colour TFT for '22, handling...might run a bit hot for the Algarve, though you won't be stationary for long!
Haha, good list👍😊
Good call on all that, my pet Hate is that brake reservoir?
👍😊
I don't disagree on double wall header exhaust but my single wall on my Thruxton R for last almost six years still look very nice with some metal polish 4 or 5 times of year. They certainly take a good few months before needing it again.
As I guy that regularly drag races with his 100 horsepower Thruxton R and does a bit of land speed racing...145 horsepower with the traction control off with that wheel base would be like riding a 1972 Kawasaki 750 triple, very exciting until it threw you off (yes been there).
That being said I'm still thinking about a TTS supercharger to get up 160 to 170 horsepower but I'm crazy and definitely would not recommend it until your ready to go on to the next world.
I agree: 100hp is bad enough, but 150 on a bike is crazy and ultimately dangerous. I want more, but I know full well that I'm better off without it. Ride safe :)
As you already know - better is an enemy of good :). Had you not rode that other bike you may not have known that your bike is underpowered :)
I like how the 900rs clocks look like. Classic yet all data in on a separate screen between clocks.
Yes, I like the Z900RS's clocks, too. More legible than the Speed Twin's.
Cant wait any longer. Pickn mine up tomorrow. Cruise control! It's a no brainer?
Enjoy... even without cruise control :)
@@RocketMan_Moto No riding for at least a few more months out here in Montana. That'll give me time to mod the piss outta mine too!
Lol, modding is almost as much fun as riding :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Sure is. My 2021 yz450f monster energy edition has soo many mods already I forget? Now that I've got that beast done for now, I'm itching to start the madness all over again with the Speed Twin. I've never been a "stock" is good enough guy. Always searching for something even better!
I agree. I find it's a bit like Lego - the fun is in the build and once you're done, you need to move on.
All it really needs is F&R suspension with compression and rebound adjustment, don't have to be Ohllins, Showa or KYB is fine. And less weight.
Agreed :)
I think you need a norden 901! It's probably the best bike that does it all. Would love to hear your review on it! Cheers!
I don't think there's a Husqvarna dealer in the Algarve
@@RocketMan_Moto shouldn't the ktm dealer also be a husqvarna dealer? Or have access to their bikes and workshops?
Possibly. I will have to ask them :)
10:39 plug caps colour harks back to the old NGK caps. It is a retro bike 😉
Yes, I get that but I still think it's an ugly colour :)
@@RocketMan_Moto - I guess easy enough to change - screw off, screw on 😎
I agree with everything you would like the Rs to be & I've seen the exact one that I would have & it's a Triumph official bike at least not in this country UK but I've seen one on CZcams just type in Triumph Speed Twin ohlins addition god almighty it's absolutely gorgeous so please please Triumph make one & especially in this colour white & gold!!! 😃👌🏻👍🏻 Great video Fella 👍🏻
Thanks, Dave :) Seen that video. It was Jack Lilley, I think.
@@RocketMan_Moto No worries & OK so I'm assuming it was a one off? 🥺
I believe they made them to order, but not sure how many they have built or how much they were charging.
@@RocketMan_Moto Oh really that's interesting may try and find out a bit more about that then unless Triumph do something at the NEC Show this weekend? 🤞🏻👍🏻
Bitubo offers a whole variety of rear shocks for the Speed Twin and performance cartridges for the front in case someone wants to purchase the old version of the Speed Twin
I've heard good things about them, too.
@@RocketMan_Moto They are quite popular in racing apparently
Yes, although I'm not into racing
Instead of replacing your motorcycle every 6 months keep more than one at the same time. I could not live with only one motorcycle, there are so many that I want to experience. When having more than one you will pay more for insurance and taxes but I bet you will have less urgency to trade, keep your motorcycles longer and loose less in depreciation because of that. Regarding colors of cars and motorcycles I'm a traditionalist. I think historic brands (like Triumph) should always have the racing color of its country as a staple color. A Speed Triple 1200RR in British racing green (preferably with gold wheels) would be epic. But on this subject of colors Triumphs has showed it listens to its customers because, after being fairly criticized for only been offering black and grey motorcycles in the last years, Triumph is releasing a lot of models in multiple colors. The blue Thruxton Ton Up being particularly tasty to my eyes
I agree and do have two other bikes. I'm looking forward to trying the Speed Triple RR, but I think the front fairing looks a bit aftermarket. Ride safe :)
I’d be a buyer.
I think many would :)
Vinyl is more waterproof than leather & hot stitching is cheap but it is to water proof seat but you can get leather waterproof cream.For the price you should get better rear shocks as for the front forks most companies don't do adjustable forks.Rear shocks are really expensive so be better for Triumph to sell better one's & upgrade the forks yourself.The Speed Twin is a beautiful bike very powerful & torquie for the style of bike & is probably the most powerful too.
Rear Yss shocks cost heaps & fully adjustable 50%more but aren't really needed the semi adjustable shocks are way better than stock & more than capable & not difficult to dial in as fully adjustables & can take alot of dialing in the shocks need to bed in & constantly need to be dialed in until springs broken in.Triumphs chrome work shabby for the price too so other than rear shocks,shabby chrome work it is a excellent bike. Triumph should rectify rear shocks & chrome work especially for price as for seat & front forks they can easily be upgraded for a reasonable cost by owner.Double skinning Headers will increase weight by 7kg which is why it's not probably done by Triumph & everyone swapping double skinned for single knows is the best way to shed weight.I don't know if Triumph has improved oil leaking engines after 15-25k in latest models I hope so & that is a thing of the past.I totally agree that most people would gladly spend $1500 more for a exceptional bike but Triumph bikes are overpriced so the $1500 mods should be included in price rather than rely on modern Triumph marketing scam to keep numbers low & prices high to make out bike is better than it really is but still is the best.
All valid points. You're right about the waterproof stitching - I forget it rains sometimes, lol :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I got a sued TRIP Machine seat waterproof ( heavy rain)for 45 mins then pulling out plastic bag.lol..Apparantly Trip Machine is bringing out a water proof cover be great for me.
I've owned a T100 and a T120. Was considering the Speed Twin as my my next bike but the 2022 XSR 900 is really speaking too me. So much more motorcycle and for less money.
Mmm, I don't know. The XSR will have that fantastic engine - but not quite as fantastic as the Speed Twin, methinks - but don't you think it looks slightly 'homemade'? Each to their own, of course :)
@@RocketMan_Moto On both my T100 and the T120 I ended up spending thousands on trying to get more performance out the twin engine. I really don't want to go down that road again. It would be a gamechanger if the Speed Twin were in the 150hp range.
@@RocketMan_Moto The Yamaha XSR900 doesn't really do it for me either. Everything looks out of proportion, the headlight is too small, the bulbous rear end, and I'm not too keen on the shape of the tank. I hope it looks better in the flesh. I'm going for the 2022 MT-09 SP; 190kg wet, Öhlins shock, CP3 engine, reliable, and a very affordable price.
@@RocketMan_Moto It's def not a 'retro classic' in the same vein, but then the ST has moved away from that aesthetic with it's little front wheel and UD fork. I'm not enarmoured with the XSR look to be honest (what's with the new seat??) but the value cannot be denied. I don't know why the bars are so stupidly high - good for wheelies I guess.
I agree with you on the XSR900. I would go for the MT10 too, but the colours are a bit strange... blue wheels?? :)
Interesting vid. Ride safe, god bless u.
Thank you. Ride safe :)
Being the owner of a ‘20 model I feel the newer one doesn’t seem to know what it is supposed to look be. USD forks and radial mounted brakes look like a Frankenstein hybrid of old and new.
I love mine. I held off buying because I thought the first generation used components that were too basic.
@@RocketMan_Moto I agree the suspension is but that can be changed. Unfortunately the later models don’t accommodate a booster plug. It genuinely is a completely different engine after fitting this.
Yes, I've heard that :)
The Speed Twin is the one. Keep it. I, too, think that Ducati looks brilliant, but I also noted that you have to rev it. I don't like the clocks on the ST, either. 100 bhp is enough with all that torque for me. The headlight's a halogen!
Do you miss the Trident? Is the Trident's low-speed fuelling better than the ST's?
I am thinking of buying a Trident in Thailand. 660 is a sensible size for these roads. Good value, as well.
Absolutely it's a keeper, I was just dreaming of an even better version. I don't NEED any of the improvements I mention, as you say, there's plenty of power already. I still enjoy the Trident when I swap bikes with my friend; it's much lighter and nimbler than the Speed Twin.
@@RocketMan_Moto A 660 with my Duke 390 to supplement it along with my 155 scooter.
The perfect garage! I have a scooter as well - love it, so practical. Only problem is that I lose what little street cred' I have, lol :)
@@RocketMan_Moto I like my Aerox 155. Really quick off the mark. Probably too fast for the suspension. I saw your scooter on an earlier video. Your videos make me home sick. I've got to get back soon.
Well, it's cold and grey here at the moment, so I would stay where you are.
Best notification !!
Thanks :)
Make a petition. I want to sign under it 😆❤️
Maybe I should :)
@@RocketMan_Moto definitely, perhaps it would spark an idea within the Triumph exec board. And tbh, only after your description of hypotethical Speed Twin RS I realized you designed my dream bike 😆 I would only add a different seat which would hold you in place once you release the 150hp
Good call :)
I think a set of tubeless spoked wheels would set it off for me.
Spokes do look good, although it's another thing you need to check/maintain regularly.
Couldn't you fit the Ohlins suspension and Brembo M50 callipers from the Thruxton R or RS to your bike? Such a pretty bike the 1st gen Thruxton R. Cruise control might be a a bit harder but surely something a software whizz could enable for you and of course fit the necessary switch gear. Also there is probably a pretty sweet aftermarket QS and clipper available or just buy one from another model in range? They can't be that hard to customise and set up? Seat - Corbyn seat or other after market option. Same with the exhaust - aftermarket. Personally I think you should sell your ST for a Speedmaster. The Algarve is just the place to be riding a cruiser and a Triumph one.
Cruising isn't really my style, but I agree that most of the mods I mention could be fitted if I really wanted/needed them. Tbh, though, this was just a light-hearted wishlist; I'm very happy with the bike as is :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Tongue firmly in cheek then.
Yes - 20 litres of fuel in a 14-litre tank? I'd love to see it, of course, but I realise some of my wishes are completely unrealistic :)
@@RocketMan_Moto You could vinyl wrap you ST's fuel tank with the image of a Dr Who tardis.
That's one solution :)
Agree that you get used to power, but disagree re full throttle - being able to able use full throttle as much as possible is half the fun! No fun if you can't fully rag it!
I get what you mean, but I'd just like a bit more full throttle :)
😂😂😂👍🏻 … well: t h a t would be a dream bike ✨so, Triumph: go for it !
Fingers crossed :)
Yes if the 1200 rs speed twin as you describe existed I would swop my 2021 speed triple 1200rs
Maybe that's why Triumph don't want to give us a Speed Twin RS??
I do like to do the odd track day and a speed twin with road and track ability like the triple would be very appealing
I agree. Are you listening, Triumph?
5:15 what gloves do you have? They look neat.
They're Knox Urbane Pros :)
@@RocketMan_Moto That was a fast answer :D
Do you use other clothings from Knox? I didn´t know them but i like the style a lot.
Yes, they produce stylish gear. I only have their gloves, though. I bought them because they are cool in hot weather and they have special scaphoid protectors on the palm, which you don't see very often :)
Fully adjustable Oil’s front and rear
Akra or sc project full exhaust
Open up the air box
I’d like a cowl over the back end of the seat
Wrap the headers
Agreed. Except the wrap.
@@RocketMan_Moto
I GOTTA wrap
Two things I loathe on a bike
Chrome and
Bluing chrome
I agree bluing chrome looks horrid, but wrapping the exhaust just looks as if it's poorly to me (bandages), lol :)
One thing I really hate about this motorcycle : Exhaust pipe looks exactly like a Tibetan blow pipe .
Sounds better, though :)
Sounds like the ducati v2 is going to seem like a snip price wise;)
Lol, yes the bill is certainly being racked up here. One can but dream :)
bieng that this motorcycle shares a lot with the Thruxton... Everything that the Thrx RS has, could be copy and pasted here.
True - do it, please, Triumph!
Your pun on the fake stiches made me laugh.
Totally agree that it doesn't make sense to find marginal money saving options on a bike positioned as the speed twin
Melted stitching apparently costs less :(
Not sure a perforated leather cover would work anywhere that actually has weather... those fake stitch vinyl covers are eminently more sensible
True enough. I tend to forget other places have rain :)
Just put handlebar conversion on a Thruxton RS.
That's one idea, although you would also need to move the foot pegs
Hi great vid what brake pads do you recommend please?
Thanks, Andrew. I put the EBC sintered race pads in my bike. They make a huge difference - much greater bite than stock.
@@RocketMan_Moto excellent would you have a part number so I get the correct ones please
Sure, the reference is GPFAX447HH
Thanks very much save riding
No problem
Hi RM
How about a Thruxton? Would that float your boat?
I don't think my back would stand that riding position for long
Orange. The answer for your paint dilema.
You may have seen that I’ve now repainted my bike😊
Get a thruxton RS and put a rise handlebar.😎
That’s one solution
basically the speed triple 1200 rs spoilt you 🤣 most of what was described matches well with the new speed triple 1200 RR : keyless,quick shifter, dynamic ohlins suspension to beautiful paint work to amazeballs brakes and proper stitches on the seat. will be waiting for you test /purchase of the RR🤐
True, but there's something about the RR that I don't care for. The front fairing looks a bit weird and the clip-ons will be uncomfortable for me
No Need for a ST-RS 😊
Always nice to have more power😊
Take this a a constructive criticism. You really need to update your camera. This channel has grown enough to justify that.
I agree, and I have one on order. As I say in the description, I was having problems with my current camera for this video - apologies. The new one should be here in time for the next vlog :)
pretty sure triumph limits the greatness of the speed twin because they want the thruxton to be their range topper. Even then both of them are top speed limited (throttle bodies close 70% above 6400rpm). if the ducati monster 1200 engine was in the speed twin/thruxton theyd be unbeatable
You're probably right - marketing again :(
@@RocketMan_Moto there’s a guy here on CZcams who increased his thruxton r’s horsepower by 15 and added like 8 more ft lbs of torque as well with a couple mods. He also got a custom tune to fix the issue with the throttle bodies and got his bike to 150mph at the bonneville salt flats, which equates to 160+mph at sea level (higher air density=more power). The potential with the 1200cc engine is certainly there, especially with the newer low inertia variants
I think the 1200 engine as it is has a lazy tune. It would be great to get another 30-40hp out of it. Maybe a turbo, lol?
@@RocketMan_Moto the tune is a bit lazy but I think it’s main limiting factor is engine geometry. It has more stroke than bore unlike most sport bikes, this gives it a lower redline than it could have but at least it gives us gobs of torque. Also there is a supercharger kit out there for this engine, it’s totally insane
Do the people that design these bikes, actually ride them? The LCD portion of the dials are useless.
Tell me about it
CB1100RS?
No longer available in Europe😟
designed by young graduate engineers with perfect eyesight!! hahaha
I wish my eyesight were as good as it was 30 years ago :)
🙂🙃👍🏻
:)
Why not a Speed Twin with 300 bhp ??? :)
Yes, please :)
@@RocketMan_Moto why not getting a Panigale Super leggera instead? It's easier and quicker :)
Mainly price, lol :)
@@RocketMan_Moto ye, that's true
@@RocketMan_Moto Norton v4 is not cheap neither :))
put a proper set of handlebars on thruxton bammmm!!!!!!!!!
That's one way of doing it :)
Double skinned pipes = more weight...
True, hadn’t thought of that👍
All I can say is, thank god Triumph doesn't fit front mudguard extenders like yours as standard, it looks like something off the back of a truck.😂
Eh? I haven't fitted an extender, it's 100% stock
Sorry Rocket Man,I thought the bike in the vid was yours.
Sorry again,just had a second look and can see now it's the shadow of the downpipe making it look like you've got a giant fender extender. My mistake d'oh.
Ah ok, I understand now. No problem :)
Utterly puddled, 100bhp is more than enough!!!!
Maybe for you, not for me😊
gosh... you don´t want much then, do you? Come on... another 40 or 50 bhp and weight loss at the same time? Not even Dumbledores wand coud cunjure up a speed twin with those specs....and as to what you might have forgotten.... the kitchen sink : D
Haha, one can but dream :)