Why Fujifilm does not want to get into full frame ???
Vložit
- čas přidán 14. 07. 2018
- Hello CZcamsrs.
Did you ever asked yourself the question why the heck FujiFilm never wanted to get into Full frame camera market? FujiFilm is known as a well estabilished and great APS-C camera and lens manufacturer with great reputation and customer service. They have a good range of APS-C mirroless cameras and also a decent lens line-up specially designed for APS-C sensor. FujiFilm lenses are excellent image and built quality. But the main question is still there. Why they do not want to get into the full frame camera manufacturing???? Let`s talk a little bit about this interesting topic.
If you are interested in photography and in videography well then enjoy this video and if you like it please like and subscribe and share my videos . If you want to add something constructive to this video , feel free and leave a comment down below. Other than that I wish you a great day and I`ll see you in the next one .
My work .
www.zonerama.com/BlueSkyPhoto...
www.flickr.com/photos/1406555...
it is very simple.Regarding dof , you multiply focal length and aperture by the crop factor .For Fuji it is 1.5 . So 1.2 is exactly 1.8 and 56mm is 84mm.
The new Nikon looks amazing it will be fun to see what happens in the market once that baby comes out.
terry breedlove I really hope that they come out soon with it because they are really late with it. Hopefully it will be unbelievably good and good price as well. They really need to think at this stage because Sony has a great advantage.
Great video... but medium format is like higher size sensor and for even full frame we are struggling to get the processing done with our technology. I mean processor to handle that for autofocus etc. so I thought medium format to get that processing technology it will take big time. so Fuji missing what happen current and need to wait for era as per there future plans. please advise if I am wrong?. having a system to wait more and cant use any part of the lens or body investment to the medium format future. its insane. hope Fujifilm will make that change not like 50 years.
Excellent and spot in video! The performance gap between my full frame Nikons to my Fuji X system is getting narrower all the time. I do a lot of low light dance and the Fuji X cameras are good up to iso 6400 with some noise reduction in post. I rarely shoot my D5 past iOS 12,500. Rumors are that the upcoming XT-3 will have better high iso performance and a faster processor. The Fuji lenses are stellar and you are right that they are a better value than Canon, Nikon and especially Sony. The biggest need in the Fuji lens map is a fast telephoto lens. The 200 F/2 is coming soon but at a very high price, but still a good value comparatively speaking.
Stan Obert yes I agree with you. I would like to see a nice 200mm f2. 8 prime on affordable price. And a 300mm f4 for sports and wildlife. Hopefully they come up with them. 🤞🤞🤞
Angry Photographer will love you!
Ata Lipsos I don't think so 😂😂😂
Agree on every point 😊 Fuji are certainly very canny, their APSC line will cater well for sports/wildlife and macro shooters due to the 1.5x crop ( well, once they start releasing long Tele primes and zooms that is ) and their MF will cater for landscape, fashion, portrait and commercial work. They have future proofed themselves really well. You could argue that current FF meets Fuji in the middle as a single solution requiring only one set of lenses however. The advantages for me regards FF over APSC are, better potential dynamic range, shallower field of view, generally better high ISO/ low light capability and the ability to shoot wide. Of course these are generalisations made about FF, that's based on all things being equal. Fact is that if I shot only Fuji I would need to invest in both their APSC and MF to cover my needs fully. For that reason I'll compromise and stick to a full frame solution instead for the time being 😊
In my opinion it depends on everyone`s needs and preferences. For my work APS-C is more than enough and how I see it is not a great idea to invest in FF if you do not have already. Because the difference between the FF and APS-C is not that big to worth it. In MF on the other hand the story is different. But at the moment it is too expensive , so I will wait a little more ...;) ;)
I have just switched from my full frame Nikon to a Nikon D7500 (DX) and it is superb. It even handles low light astronomy imaging very well. And the bonus is that for wildlife my Sigma 150-600mm C lens equates to a 225-900mm lens! I do like the look of the Fuji processing on the whole but I already had several Nikon lenses so decided to stick with that system with no regrets. I recently purchased the Tokina 100mm f2.8 macro for around £350 brand new in UK, the Fuji 80mm f2.8 macro would set me back £1,149 at the moment (and that is on offer!). Trust me, the Tokina is fantastic-great detail and sharpness. I suppose it comes down to what you mainly like to photograph as to what system to buy.
Steve Ferneyhough you can use the same Tokina on the FujiFilm cameras with a cheap 20$ adapter. Macro work is manual focusing anyway. Samyang has a good 100mm macro as well.
That's good then. Yes the Samyang lens looks good value too :-)
Xt20 is made in China. If u don’t have reliability issue. You can be confident with the xt3 . Or wait to get xh1 when it is on sale.
George Yang I think that it will be no problem with manufacturing in China.
there is a very small logical argument to prefer FF, but not all decisions we make are 100% based on logic, sometimes its a philosophical or even an emotional reason. I bought a Ford F-150 new the same time as a friend, I chose the turbo 6 cylinder which is just as powerful as the V-8, but has better gas mileage, he picked the V-8 just because it sounded better lol
Longrider yes it is true, but there is a very powerful factor you forget about. Your available budget 😂😂😂 Now that will activate your logic 😁😁😁 But obviously if money is not a problem I agree with you 100 %.
They don't need to go full frame. They have superb APSC cameras with lenses that can give you the performance of full frame. The lenses are not just fast they are also top quality. You are getting a superb camera system and lenses for a reasonable price.
What new camera are you looking at getting next Attila?
Scott Williams Photography I was very decided to get the X-T2 but than the X-H1 came out which is a bit overpriced in my opinion, but in the same time the price of the X-T2 went down, and with the latest firmware update on it..... I think it's a no brainier. But I will wait until Photokina because some serious stuff will come out (I have the feeling) maybe X-T3 X-T30 we'll see. For the moment I am not in a hurry because I have all the gear I need.
We never have all of the gear we need :)
What are you a fortune teller or what ????? LOL LOL it looks like you know me too well ....LOL LOL
He is going to get an A73, the tamron 28-75 2.8 and the Sony 85 1.8 lolol
Longrider man that would be good....., 😎😎😎 my wife would kill me more likely though. 🤔🤔🤔
Hi Attlila, I would only add one thing to Fuji is the marketing which is missing, maybe just in eastern Europe, but before your and Theoria Apophasis, and Omar Gonzalez, i have never heard about Fuji. I only know that they are on the market.
Don't think fuji ever need FF camera, the market is full with sony/nikon/canon, i think fuji leave them with their battle over the market, and build up theirs in the background.
This is my forth month with the x-t20 and it is really good little camera, never felt any regrets about it.
Szép Vasárnapot.
Üdv: Béla
Hello Bela. I think that the X-T20 is a very capable and powerful camera . If it would have dual SD card slots, I would buy another one and all day every day do weddings and stuff with them. But fortunately the X-T2 is coming down price-vise so after September when the X-T3 will be announced ( I hope so) the price of the X-T2 will come further down . So that`s the moment to get an X-T2 . ;) ;)
I think that the Full Frame market is saturated with Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc. The bigger share of the market is in crop-sensor like APS-C, DX, m43. For low light, portraits, high resolution, Fuji has medium format.... One thing I like about Fuji and m43 is the lens system.... Sufficient for general usage.
Zack Choy yes I agree. I hope one day I can afford a GFX but in my opinion upgrade to Full Frame is not a good idea for me unless there is a great difference between my APS-C gear and the FF. In my opinion FujiFilm is a great system for most of us and their lens selection is good enough as well. ( except telephoto range primes)
Sry Attila, but the Fujifilm XF 56 mm F1.2 is the exact equivalent of a full frame 85 mm f 1.8 because of the crop factor of 1.5.
Because of the Fuji crop sensor it is also lightwise a F 1.8.
It has only the technical f-stop of 1.2, but as soon you put it on a crop sensor body it is a f1.8 all the way.
El Duderinho yes it is true depth of field-vise. But light - vise is f1.2. I did try several times this. But the depth of field if kind of f1.8. Last time I checked with the Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4, on APS-C Nikon D7200 and FujiFilm X-T20 the depth of field was equal to f1.8 - is compared to D750. That does not really matter anyway because DOF f1. 8 is more than enough, and the light gathering advantage is great.
Blue Sky Photography no Attila, on a crop sensor body its lightwise a f 1.8.
The problem with your theory is simple.
According to your theory, the f-stop of a cell phone like the Huawei P20 stays at F 1.8 - like the marketing sheet says - lightwise in a full frame equivalent.....
Do you see the problem?
I highly recommend the "crop factor" videos of Tony Northrup to you.
I had a lot of arguments about this with my friend and we did tests several times with different cameras. So what I mean is that I do not care what anyone says until I see with my own eyes. So I did the test like this. I put the 55mm f1.8 on the Sony a7R and the 50mm f1.8 ( lens made for APS-C ) on the a6000 . Than I made the same shot with both cameras on two tripods one near the other the same exact time with the same exact settings ISO/Fstop/ Shutter speed . The two images were exactly the same exposed . Than I changed the lenses . I put the 35mm f2.8 on the a7R and the 35mm f1.8 APS-C on a6000 . Made the shot with both cameras on tripod the same settings except the f stop on FF was 2.8 and on APS-C was f1.8 . The photo made with f1.8 on the a6000 with a lens designed specially for APS-C was way more brighter in other words over exposed . I don`t know about the scientific explanations and honestly I do not even care about them. What I care is that I can go lower with the ISO one full stop and than I had the same exposed images. I care what I see . Did I see the difference yes I did . I would do the same test with Fuji cameras but the only problem is that both FF and APS-C cameras must be same brand , because Fuji ISO 200 is not the same with Nikon ISO 200 or Sony ISO 200 That`s the reason why both cameras must be one brand. You can do the test if you don`t believe me and you will see that I am absolutely correct. We did this test with Nikon D610 and Nikon 24-70 f2.8 on it and I had the D7200 with Sigma 18-35 f1.8 and in all the photos I had more than a stop advantage if I was on f1.8 and the D610 was at f2.8 So according to thmy tests your theory is not working out. But as I said you can do the test yourself and see that I am right. Do not forget that we don`t speak about depth of field , we speak about light.
Blue Sky Photography I also made these tests several times and I came every time to the conlusion that you have to multiply the crop factor of your camera with the f-stop of the lens to get a full frame equivalent.
I ask you once more Attila.
Do you really think that the Huawei P20 has the lightwise full frame equivalent f-stop of f 1.8 like its marketing sheet says?
Interesting question with the cell phone.
Do you have an answer for this Attila?
I think Fuji should refine their medium format further, and have a 50MP (sports) and 100MP versions. Further if they manage to further lower their price (of 50MP), they might take over much of the FF market share.
I agree with that. I used in the past full frame but now I do not want to get a full frame camera because the difference between the APS-C and FF is too small. But a Medium Format 50 mp is a different story. Hopefully in a few years time ...LOL LOL
lol how big would a med format sports lens have to be lol
Longrider that is a good question. You see I forgot about that too. A 400mm f4 lens 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Probably 2.5 kg at least. And I'm not even exaggerate.
ds.techie I think that's what they are planning for.
Art Pics yes it is true for the moment, but day by day new technology is coming out and I think that this will change in the future.
Attila, what do you think of fujifilm moving production to china....
i really don't like made in China products essentially because of QC issues amongst others.
I don`t like either, but unfortunately everything is made in china these days.
They will produce the top of the range cameras in Japan though . I think that they make a mistake by doing that. Anyway the quality of the cameras will not lower in my opinion. I mean look at all the I-phones . They are all made in china.
Fujifilm does not have any reason to go to FF and to compete with Canikon and Sony. I think there strategy is also smarter then other big 3.They know the Canikon ownes Sport and Wild life photography but non of 3 own apsc segment as Fuji with teh eco system does. They now also pretty much own afordable MF segment and they will expend this system even more , although with current adapters one can use complete line of the Nikon, Sony A and Canon lenses having covered FF projection circle.What is going to happen if they improve AF speed (thought commercial , high fashon and portreture stuff does not jump and run around) and release smart adapters for e.g Canon and Nikon, do they need FF?
eagleeye photo I agree with you on this one. They are really clever. I used the GFX for a short while and I have to tell you that if I could afford it, I would buy tomorrow. Hopefully they will come up with an even cheaper range finder type MF this year at Photokina. Anyway I think that these days APS-C is so good that it doesn't worth it to switch to FF. To switch to MF though it is a different situation.
Blue Sky Photography I would compare Fuji lenses quality wisse with Zeiss and Leica and top of the line of Canikon and Sony. Then compare the prices, we talking about bargin from Fujifilm.
eagleeye photo absolutely correct. I own a Zeiss Planar 85mm f1.4 and I tell you that the only reason I purchased that over the FujiFilm is that I will be able to use it on my Nikon or any other mirrorless as well. If I would use only 1 system, I would definitely buy the FujiFilm 56mm f1. 2 over the Zeiss.
Shallow depth of field....Since when sensor size has anything to do with DOF.You can better say in some situations is more easy to achive shallow DOF for the same framing , but to say DOF is connected to the sensor size is inacurrate statement. If you rent or buy (without divorce ) MF then you will see why Fujifilm does not go with FF.
eagleeye photo ok we can twist out however we want this. But you know what I mean. I understand what you mean but you also know that if you frame the same depth of field will be larger. You can get tighter and than have the same DOF but it is too complicated to explain all the time . That's why everyone talks about DOF being related to sensor size. If you want to talk about this scientifically, we have to switch to Skype or phone because I hate typing and this is a long story. But I'm sure you know what I mean. IF YOU FRAME THE SAME WITH A SMALLER SENSOR THE DEPTH OF FIELD WILL BE LARGER BECAUSE YOU WILL HAVE TO GO FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE SAME FRAMING. IF YOU STAY AT THE SAME SPOT WITH THE CAMERAS AND JUST SWITCH THEM THE DEPTH OF FIELD WILL BE THE SAME BUT THE SHOT WILL BE TIGHTER IN OTHER WORDS CROPED 1.5 TIMES.
Blue Sky Photography Yep I agree with you , one will have to back up and change the distance between the image plane and subject resulting in increase of the DOF.
Fuji is going to run into a huge problem trying to keep up with the big three selling FF mirrorless cameras. Their cropped sensor cameras will not be able to compete. They have enjoyed a free lunch up until now but you tell me. Would you pay the same or close to the same money for a cropped sensor when you can get all the benefits of a ff sensor. Most people will choose bigger is better.
terry breedlove I wouldn't think that they want to compete. No they want to keep the APS-C lineup and no it is not the same price. Only the X-H1 is overpriced in my opinion but the X-T2 is unbeatable price with excellent specs. You can buy the X-T2 for 1000€ now. That camera is capable for all kind of pro work fast auto focus, great image quality, excellent ISO performance, dual SD card slot, battery grip, superb video features, 4k video. So tell me a full frame camera for 1000€which is even close to that.
Yes they are dumping the XT2 taking $500 right off the top trying to clear it out but the replacement will be twice that price. That is the camera Fuji will be competing with not the XT2. The XT2 was released at $1600 the XT3 will be at least that and most likely more.
terry breedlove no man tell me a full frame camera for 1000$ as good as the X-T2.
terry breedlove that is only speculation. Tell me some examples.
The XT2 is an old camera being dumped to clear the way for its replacement. You can't compare prices with the New FF cameras yet to come out. The XT 3 is rumored to be announced this September at Photokina . You will not be buying a brand new XT 3 for $1000 I can guarantee you that.
Does it mean you won't be buying A7M3?
Milorad Karavidin although it is an excellent camera until I don't compare with my existing gear I don't buy anything. I learned to be very careful about buying. Recently they got stock into the camera store in Dublin and hopefully soon I can compare them. On the other hand it would be nonsense to buy now just after releasing because after Photokina in September the price will come down. Although it looks like an excellent camera I have all the necessary gear at the moment and I am really curious what comes out at Photokina. Maybe the FujiFilm X-T3 will be a better idea??? Who knows.
That is so true. You have to make sure new cam will fulfill expectations and investment. By the way,what do you think about this video czcams.com/video/DtDotqLx6nA/video.html
Do you agree with all the things mentioned about crop factor?