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New Pulsar Thermion XP50 vs XQ50 vs XM50 Fox Optic side by side comparison and review
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- čas přidán 29. 04. 2020
- We take a look at the all-new Pulsar Thermion models including XP50 and XQ50 units featuring the new NETD less than 40mK sensor and XM50 12µ high magnification model. Be sure to check out the complete kits on FoxOptic.com or call us with questions toll-free at 877-806-2977
Great articulations of these thermals. Thank you! This assisted in my purchase decision
Glad it was helpful!
My go to man for the pulsar reviews. Clear and honest. Doing exactly what folk like to see it. What more could you want.
Thanks for watching
I have long wanted someone to do exactly what you have done here, great insight into consumer needs. Thank you sir!
Very welcome
The most informative thermal scope video I've seen. In think the XM 50 will work for me. Older shooter needing the extra magnification was the selling point for me. Plan to use it along with a hand held monocular.
How are you liking the xm50?
Decided to go with the XG. Ordered yesterday.
@@53kills I gotcha I have the opportunity to get a brand new xm50 for $2750. I ld like to have at a smaller base power scope so I'm looking at the xm 30 honestly. What do you think?
2750$?! Whered you find a deal like that? Ive been looking for a deal since 2020 but Pulsar never gives coupons lol
Awesome summary,. XQ50 i bought from you is perfect for me. 50 yards hogs to 300 yards coyotes. thank you for your extreme personal customer service(CS). You combo package, price and CS sealed the deal for me!!!! cheers, Martin
Thanks for your business.
That was an unreal video mate. Really appreciate it.
Thanks, Be sure to let me know if you have suggestions for improvements or other topics.
Thank you for the time you put into putting together this very detailed review
Glad it was helpful!
Young man, superb comparison. Makes it easy neh? Ta heaps for the info. Kia Ora.
These reviews are awesome! (I'd like to see the Trails 2's comparison) thumbs up and subscribed.
Best reviews on CZcams by a country mile.
Super comparison. Great job. Thanks very much. You've helped me make a multi thousand dollar purchase. I'm very grateful.
Can eny on tell me I am tinking of buying a new pulsar thermal when you have your scope set at 150 yards and then you see a fox at 200 yards when you put your rang finder on the fox at 200 yards does the scope adjust automatically or what have you to do can eny one tell me tanks for reading this
Thank you this was the review I was looking for!
Such a great idea with the scopes on that 12 by 2
Best review I've seen. Outstanding job, ty.
Glad you liked it!
By far the best review I’ve seen thank you sir
Great review. Thank you 👌. How far out was the horse you filmed.
Most excellent comparison. Well done!
Great vid. You ready to drag em all back out for an xg50 vs video? Lol think id rather see the trail 2 v xp50 thermion v xg50 rundown. Great channel man. ✌🇺🇸
I will certainly keep this in mind if I have a chance to get all of them at once. (Pretty tough to do given the demand at the moment. )
Thank you. I needed this
Really great video and well put together, really appreciate it.
Thanks, Be sure to let me know if you have suggestions for improvements or other topics.
Thanks mate a good review you have certainly made my decision a bit easier
correct. best review i have ever seen
W końcu jakieś sensowne porównanie. Aby uzyskać prawdziwość danych należało jak na tym filmiku ustawić wszystkie trzy lunety na te samo powiększenie i wówczas dokonać oceny jakości obrazu w poszczególnych modelach.
After all, some meaningful comparison. To obtain the accuracy of the data, it was necessary to set all three scopes to the same magnification in this video and then assess the image quality in individual models.
Will you do this same thing, but add the new XG50 into the mix. I would love to see the comparison their.
I will certainly show something once I have an XG50 to compare. (Didn't make the "list" on the initial release) Thanks for watching. Travis Fox Fox Optic
Thoughts on the XG50? Any problems?
Thanks for the comparison! This was very helpful for me.
Excellent! Now I'm able to make my decision. Thank you!
Fine video sir, very clear and helpful
Thanks so much for the great video. If I am using thermal binoculars to spot with what scope would you think is best suited just for the shot at 200 yards/meters?
XQ50
Excellent comparison video and great job on the scope base 2x4 platform!
Thanks, Be sure to let me know if you have suggestions for improvements or other topics.
great video thanks. would be keen to see a comparison on that board with the ATN's and Trail1,2s
The ATN units can be hard to keep operational and have a tendency to look better in the videos than they do in the eye-piece display. I will have an XP50 Trail LRF vs XP50 Trail 2 LRF video up shortly. Thanks Travis Fox Fox Optic 877-806-2977
I thought the XQ50 had the sharper image in this review. I'm sure the contrast could be adjusted to address the difference between the XP50 and XQ50.
I believe I could have focused the XP50 a touch better and the representation would have been a bit better. (I noted this in the video) I have spent a considerable amount of time reviewing them and I would say above 7 power they are almost identical in the display in terms of resolution. Below 7 power the XP50 resolution just keeps getting better in comparison to the XQ50. The obvious gain is versatility with the XP50 having almost double the FOV at base magnification 2X vs the XQ50 3.5X This is a product of the high resolution 640x480 XP sensor vs the lower resolution 384x288 XQ. The XQ50 is a great unit for considerably less money, and it is just as effective in some scenarios, however, it's just not as versatile as the XP50.
@@foxoptic5887 I absolutely can't disagree with the versatility. I'm mostly big fields old eyes. More magnification is a plus for me. I use a Helion XP28 to scan so getting on target is a piece of cake. I saw you said it could be focused more. I owned both first gen Trails in XP and XQ 50. My old eyes really had a hard time seeing a difference. Pulsar does a really good job getting the clarity out of their units.
@@foxoptic5887 Absolutely loved the review. I am going to grab a Trail 2 xq50 lrf to get the newer sensor.
Thoughts on the XG50?
Good videos. I looked before I bought mine👌🏼
Karl Childers sir this was an excellent break down! Keep up the good work
Nice work sir........got to visit your store!
Hello. Great video! But if xp have 307.000 sensel, and xq have 110.000 sensel.... how is posible that at 7x zoom the xq have better image???? I think anything is wrong.... xp at 4x have 154.000 sensel... it must have clear image then at same zoom than xq.... can you confirm all parameters are ok ??? Please are very important for purchase decision of people!!!!
Excellent video. I am about to purchase a thermal scope. The xm50 seems to tick the box for me. I will be shooting wild dogs in Australia, from a stand 200 to 250yds. Lure will be an animal carcass. The high base power and high magnification should be very suitable for this purpose. Narrow field of view is suitable for this controlled situation, would you agree? Kindest regards GG.
Hi Mate, I’ve got the XM50, love it . Great for foxes out to 300 yards l. Had the XP50 but I think the XM50 is the better scope for longer shots.
@@20ppc - Thanks Nick. I now have the XM and absolutely love it. Have posted some videos on my channel. Click on my Icon, have a look and give a comment. Thanks again. GG.
Excellent video. Very informative ! Thanks
Thank you for doing this!
Great review! Thank you sir!
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Very good review, thanks for the video
Great video, thank you!
Thanks, Be sure to let me know if you have suggestions for improvements or other topics.
@@foxoptic5887 you are perfect 👌 :)
great video
How about a halo lr50 v xg50 showdown Travis?
Thanks for the vid very helpful 👍
In the first set of pictures comparing the three scopes on the grain elevator the xm50's image is very blurry compared to the other two. Was it out of focus or is the image of the other two that much sharper? Thanks!
The other two were that much sharper. I had it focused as best I could, it is not as pronounced in the display but certainly doesn't appear to have as much definition as the other units. I think this is a product of lower sensor count (sensel) on the sensor vs the other two. With this said, because FOV starts very small and items appear very large on the screen it also seems like pixelization is slightly less noticeable as zooming increases to the maximum. (Once you get to the top magnification of 22X the XM seems at about the same image quality of the others at their top magnifications of 14X on the XQ or 16X on the XP)
@@foxoptic5887 So the XM50 is 340x240 w a 12m sensor and the XQ50 is 384x288 with a 17m sensor, this is off Pulsars sight. I really would have thought that the 12m sensor would have shown greater detail but I see what I see. And they claim a greater detection range on the XM50 but if you can't see it that well it is like a powerful spotting scope you can't see detail with.
I really thought I wanted the XM, then maybe the XP but after your vid I am thinking the XQ is the best choice. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. The more I know the less I understand or vice versa with this thermal stuff. Such a play on data and numbers!
Fantastic vid travis!!
Thanks, Be sure to let me know if you have suggestions for improvements or other topics.
Great video Travis 👍
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Very informative thank you
Excellent review!
Thanks for watching
Great video👌🏼
Great video sir!
great comparison -
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Awesome channel, subbed. Dig the straight informative no bs content delivery. 👍🇺🇸 xp50 or trail 2 callin my name. The trail 2 have one without the rf?
No, trail 2 is lrf only to my knowledge.
@@nighthound911tacticalfur8 seeing the same. Might be leaning towards the thermion that being the case. Thanks dude. ✌
@@Ki777UMiNATii The only thing that ticks me off is the thermion doesn't have the new more sensitive sensor. The trail 2 and thermion xp50, xp38 does.
@@nighthound911tacticalfur8 yeah im not into the fov of the lr model thermion. Thinking along the lines of xp50. The 38 uses the newer sensor as well? Wasn't aware of that actually.
I'm pretty sure the xp models do.
What is the yardage of the horse and the buildings in the background?
The buildings are around 185-200 yards, the bins are a little over 800 yards, the tall grain leg left of the bins is right at 1000 yards, and around 85-100 on the horses.
Awesome video
Great video
Will they ever come out with a built in range finder? or do you think that would be too much drain on the battery.
The Trail LRF and Trail 2 LRF units already have built on rangefinders. I don't think Thermion will incorporate it as it would have to use a wireless connection of some sort. They will be offering an Axion XQ38LRF scanner that will compliment the Thermion series devices quite well. (Fall 2020)
@@foxoptic5887 Thank you for your reply :)
Great videos you put on the channel, can you please help me figure out what click value to use on stream vision app for my thermion xq38 im not sure how to work this out, the click value @ 100m is 17/17. should i use 0.2 mil? id appreciate if you could help. thanks
I would probably use 0.2mil and multiply click values by 1.18 or use 1/2 MOA and multiply the click value by 0.82 They don't appear to have an option that works perfectly with this model. (The background FOV and screen/pixel layout determines reticle travel, this one just doesn't mesh up perfectly) Hope this helps, Thanks for watching. Travis Fox Fox Optic
@@foxoptic5887 you are the man. thank you, by the way im loving my xq38, i live in nz and ive been able to spot many red deer and fallow deer.
very nice, thanks for sharing.
Thanks, Be sure to let me know if you have suggestions for improvements or other topics.
When will you get xq 38s back in stock?
I have been getting them, however, the waiting list hasn't been short enough to put any on the site for a while. If you want on the list give me a call on the toll free number or you can call me direct on my cell 660 341 9370. Travis Fox Fox Optic
Great video bud
Thanks 👍
very interesting
Hi, I am trying to decide. I shoot foxes here in the UK. They are generally 50-300 yards away and I tend to like 8 x Magnification scopes. Your video appears to show that the XQ image at 7x is better than the XM image at 5.5x. Can I ask you and the subscribers which unit you would buy bearing in mind at the start of a nights shooting I would probably crank the scope up to 7-8x and leave it there??? Many thanks.
Honestly, at 50 yards I would find it to be a struggle utilizing 5.5X without some type of scanning device. For long-range and smaller work the XM50's high base magnification which also equates to much higher top-end magnification can have some advantages but I do find there to be a fair amount of trade-off in the shorter to medium ranges due to the lower sensor resolution. XM 320x240 vs XQ 384x288 I really see little advantage to the 12-micron sensor and larger lens magnification when it comes to discerning faint signals at longer distances. The XM is giving up about 33% of the sensel resolution while gaining about the same advantage in raw magnification due to the 12-micron sensor, this appears to look better at the very high end, a product of the FOV starting larger and there just being less on the display. (larger "item" edges) I find them pretty neutral at the upper end of the middle range and everything looks better on the XQ at the short to lower-middle ranges. In red hot, I get the best signal pickup from the NETD 40mK sensor on the XP50 even though it is only a 2X base magnification. Assuming the higher lens magnification should amplify the signal it leads me to believe that the higher magnification narrows the image gradient a bit too much in some backgrounds. These were all set at the same contrast levels and adjusting contrast a bit differently on the XM due to this may have helped the XM a bit but it still wouldn't have made a huge difference. If you like no less than 8X I would go with the XM because I think that is where it starts to do a bit better, again primarily due to the fact that the image starting so much larger it can go much higher before it pixelates all the way out.
Great video! Pulsar website doesn’t say xq 50 has the new 40 mk sensor, I’m confused what units will have the new sensor, thx
Thermion xp50 40mk sensor
Thermion xq50 50mk sensor
Thermion xm50 50mk sensor
Trail 2 XQ, XP models 40mk sensors
According to my rep at Sellmark all the new XQ Thermion units also have the NETD 40mK sensor. So my guess would be all, new Thermion XP50 and XQ Thermion units, Trail 2, Accolade 2, or Helion 2 series products include the new NETD 40mK or better PICO Gen2 17µ sensors. (XP units 640x480 and XQ units 384x288) I think the XM series devices all use the more compact ATTO 12µ 320x240 sensor which was technically 60mK or better. The older Thermion XP, original Trail series, Apex XQ series, Accolade, and Helion units used the original PICO 17µ 50mK or better sensors.
@@foxoptic5887 I asked pulsar myself, I've been told that thermion xq50 comes 50mk
@@huntingchannel Could be, I am just relaying a combination of what my rep is telling me, the way it was presented at SHOT, visible improvement in the display, and specification changes currently available from Lynred/ULIS on the sensors. It is certainly possible that they just improved the image via the 4.0 firmware update with image boost plus new high-resolution display and are still using the old sensor. It mystifies me why they would run the new one in the Trail 2 XQ units but not Thermion XQ units. The harder I look they certainly appear to be presenting it that way on their website. Either way, there certainly seems to have been a fairly noticeable visual improvement in subtle background temperatures in the new XQ as well.
@@foxoptic5887 I was expecting the same. Money...
Which model do you recommend XP50 or XQ50???
Personally of the 3 I like XP50 the best followed by XQ50 and the XM50. The narrow FOV on the XM50 is a product of the very high base magnification 5.5X needed in order to be able to maintain a useful image up at 22X (thermals digitally zoom, essentially "stretching" the base image.) I feel the XQ50 power and FOV range is more useful than that of the XM50. If FOV is of little concern in your situation you might prefer higher magnification scaling.
i love your videos!!!
Thanks
I envy your ability to make this optic work. I bought a Pulsar Trail 2, LRF, XP50A but I regret buying it because it's far too complex. The entire device is a complex button-pushing process requiring the user to thoroughly memorize a broad range of sequences. NOT USER-FRIENDLY. Not the best choice for a combat optic. The wrong tough of any button at the wrong time will cause you to lose your target, lose your reticle, and/or lose your entire hunting opportunity. Just to zero it requires a major learning process which is very frustrating and causes major eye fatigue.
Yes, the scope image and capability is very high. But so are many other brands but without the extremely complex button-learning process and risks of touching the wrong button.
I guess we will agree to disagree. Each button has basically 2 response functions (long press/short press) you basically have 5 buttons performing 10 functions and the the functions are intuitively grouped so that the second (long press)function has to do with the primary (short press) If you really think about it, it's about half as complex as the standard control functions in a basic car in terms of memory function. Nobody thinks of that as complex. New and intimidating, now that's a different story. I constantly hear from customers how the Zeroing process in this Optic is the easiest and best of any scope they have ever used. If anyone in the USA needs help with theirs they can always call me. 877 806 2977
I just bought my 1st thermal 6 months ago. Xp50. I just had to send it back because it quit while I was sighting it in. (Black screen only). Has anyone ever had this issue?
I have sold piles of the XP50 Thermion units and have never encountered a customer with a screen failure that I am aware of.
Fox Optic thanks for the reply. I sent it back to pulsar last week. I’ll give you an update when I get it back.
@@craneguru66 I think you will be pleased when it comes back. I have been really impressed with the Thermion line in general, however personally, I think the XP50 is the best 640x480 unit currently on the market. It clicks a lot of boxes for about any user and does so at a very attractive price. Extreme versatility, great reliability, superb image quality and controls, extreme accuracy, well thought out rechargeable power system, packed with useful and innovative features while still being relatively easy to operate and very intuitive, awesome 3-year warranty and great customer service to name a few "boxes." If you ever have any questions or need any help, you can call me anytime. Travis Fox Fox Optic 660-341-9370
Fox Optic that is greatly appreciated ! Before it went down on me, I was amazed with all the features it has. I learned a lot about it from your videos. I came across your channel when searching for pulsar videos and wish I knew about you before my purchase, not that I had any issues from the place I did purchase it, but I always like to support the people that help others like you do. Thanks again!
Fox Optic hey Travis I just wanted to share my update with you. Pulsar emailed me and said my unit was “non repairable” and they would be shipping out a new unit to me. They didn’t specify what was wrong with it.
The XM looks horrible. Great video
Xp50 no longer available