Top 5 Traits of Battle Themes from Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal
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- čas přidán 18. 11. 2017
- In this one I take a look at 5 things that make the 2nd generation Pokemon games' battle music sound so iconic.
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Hey man! Just a little correction. On minute 5:20, it says on the sheet the bass is doing D and G and the beginning, when it is actually doing D and A. I haven't check out the rest, but I think apart from it everything is correct.
Thank you for your attention, I love your videos . ) Keep up the AMAZING content dude. Greetings from a spaniard in the UK!
Don't know how I missed that! Thanks for the heads up!
No worries at all my man! Being pitch perfect definitely helps hehe! I'd offer you a hand on your transcriptions since I can do it very quickly, but I'm quite sure you don't need it. Even though, if you ever are very busy... Here I am!
confound those perfect intervals
I noticed that too, therefore changing the chord to Dm. Regardless, I LOVE watching your videos. It's nice to analyze VGM that wouldn't otherwise get the musical attention it needs. Keep it up!
The bass pedal at 2:25 starts of at G for one Beat, F# for one Beat and then goes to F :) Keep up the good work!!
I've always wanted to see a breakdown of that NOISE BARRAGE. It's probably the best musical expression of "HOLY CRAP A COYOTE IS CHARGING AT ME AND IT'S ON FIRE!"
😂😂😭
POV getting mugged by Sonic
The intro animations have different variations too!
Personally I call it "combat whoosh", and frankly I think combat whoosh transitions are overused (though not nearly as much as they were a few decades ago)
I too nicknamed my Forretress bVII I
I don't get it.
James Dell'Alba you're on a music theory channel...
I only know enough about music theory to enjoy and appreciate these videos. A large part of the draw of this channel is to learn about things that I didn't know before.
bVII is a lowered 7 chord (as in, a major triad build on the flatted 7th scale degree of whatever major key you in) That being said, this chord is usually “borrowed” from the parallel minor key, to add color and new harmonies to a chord progression. It’s definitely a little more advanced than basic music theory, so think of it as almost triumphant sounding, especially when followed by a I chord (happy major tonic) as shown by the “bVII-I” Hope this makes at least a little bit of sense haha!
Loved your Alolan Jazz rec, good stuff!
1:50 he named his pokemon ii-V-I im done
Prolly played through the whole game since it's *all he needs*
ayy
More like ii-V-fun, if you know what I mean
hahahahahahahaha
And he named himself "NERDBOY". :D
This made me laugh way too loud! XD
whew... that was the best.
I played a lot of Pokemon (all generations) since I was very young and now I use that bass figure from 4:14 ALL THE TIME in my piano arranging. Maybe it came from all that pokemon playing? XD -Andrew
Hi that’s makes sense.
I laughed way harder than I should have at the notation in the Team Rocket Battle Theme saying, "These chord symbols aren't helping anybody".
Neither is Team Rocket.
Always blows my mind how Masuda started out as a composer (and a damn fine one at that) then transitioned to the main producer of the entire series, while still coming back and composing a few tunes here and there, mostly battle themes and Champion themes. He always nails it aswell in my opinion. These elements you mention carry over aswell, for example in the Cynthia Champion theme. It gives a great feeling of consistency to the series and I'm always looking forward to playing a new entry to hear what his next champion theme is 😊
Jokes on you, he remixed and repurposed an existing song for the gen 8 champion theme!
Part of me is disappointed since Gold and Silver have some of the best village and overworld themes of the whole series! And I would have died to hear you dig into them! (Such as the one you played in the intro/outro) But still happy to hear your analysis of the battle themes
I live the golden rod theme.
I know very little about Music Theory, but I love watching your videos because, despite the fact I know very little about it, I still feel like I'm learning. One thing I'd like to compliment you on- at times you will put notes in red and insert footnotes explaining what exactly the emphasis is. This makes it a lot easier for me to learn, as I'm given a direct example. It's a neat touch, and I'm grateful you take the time to do it.
I am the EXACT same way! I don't retain much, but I think some of it is subconsciously making sense after seeing a few videos... I'll have to re-watch older ones as I get a better understanding.
me too
I've noticed he's started doing those highlights much more recently, at least within the past handful of videos. I like that he's responding to the comments' constructive feedback and is putting in more effort to make a higher-quality final product!
I know music theory well, and I still find those footnotes extremely helpful. This channel is amazing.
Most of the time i dont even know what he is talking about (What the hell is even Major 5th). But i still enjoy his videos. Even have notification for him.
I always see people with musical background wondering what to do with the phrygian mode.
Phrygian is metal as FUCK dude, everyone in metal uses it all the time.
Next request: 8-bit Music theory spends hours transcribing chromatic 16th-note noise barrages
It's weird looking back to see how much work goes into things that one would generally take for granted. Chromatic 8-bit chaos is easy to ignore as if it were just another element of nature like birds chirping, but there it is on paper at 50% tempo and it was actually notes the whole time...
That was really cool to find out about. I was always curious as to why the 2nd-gen had some of the best battle music in the series, and I think you explained why very well.
Lol that’s really just your personal bias speaking. Each of these 5 are used in almost every single Pokémon battle music since, some exceptions being the rival battle musics from gen 5, 6 and 7
I know nothing about music theory and yet these videos are so interesting
It's always been clear that the encounter/battle start music was...chaotic, but seeing it taken apart like that gives me a whole new appreciation of it. Very intentional chaos. Great stuff.
I’ve always felt that 8 bit music is one of the most pure forms of modern music, because it forces you to work with just three lines to create both intricate chord progressions and interesting music in general. THANK YOU for this.
ii-V-I became confused!
ii-V-I evolved into a V/V-V-I!
Man, I'm just trying to imagine the staggeringly small amount of people that will get this joke. Excellent work!
William Doran And I don't get it haha...poor existens without meme understanding .-.
Darknarga Well, the "became confused" part and "evolved" part are references to Pokemon.
As for the roman numerals, all you really need to know is that musicians use them to talk about different chord progressions and how different chords relate to each other. In this video, he named one of his Pokemon after a chord progression. You can learn more about them if you search up music theory and watch channels like 12-tone.
I have decided that ii-V-I must also be an evolution of IV-V-I. If IV-V-I -> ii-V-I -> V/V-V-I is an evolution tree, what else is there?
I just went back to watch one of your first videos a couple days ago, and _wow_ you've hugely improved with using the notation visuals to demonstrate what you're talking about! The various displayed sections, the colored notes, and the occasional extra overlay (such as the "dotted quarter - eighth - quarter" pattern that was only implied by a few sections and so needed to be explicitly marked on top) all help tremendously with understanding the things you point out. I know it's a lot of extra work per video, but the final product shows _dramatic_ improvements when you use them! Please don't ever think the extra effort goes unnoticed!
I have a strange relationship with Pokémon music. The games (especially GSC) are so important to me growing up, but the music just never grabbed me in the same way it did for others. Perhaps part of this reason is the music is very formulaic and I have a hard time distinguishing the nuances within it, but you've certainly helped me in that regard and deepened my appreciation for it. In my heart though, the best Pokémon soundtrack is the Trading Card Game for GBC. SO DANG GOOD.
Also, you're a wizard for transcribing those insane chromatic openings. A wizard or crazy, one of the two.
The soundtracks from the 3rd generation onward were always a little hit or miss for me, but there's just some kind of charm in the first two gens' music that I love. Also you're completely right about the TCG game hahaha
8-bit Music Theory YES such an underappreciated gem. Those battle themes are just unbeatable, so groovy and such a long form too! Some of the loops are over two minutes. You get to like the third part and they just take off.
I disagree so much.. the first two gen games had amazing music. Such a grand feeling, like setting out on an epic adventure.
Game Score Fanfare tcg has such dope themes +1
I’m glad you mentioned the TCG game! I love the normal duel theme. I never got tired of it in the game.
I love your Ampharos’s nickname.
I’m understanding these more and more.
I’m learning.
This is the video I never knew I wanted. Junichi Masuda is an actual genius, and this deconstruction proves that. Thanks so much!
How the HECK did you transcribe this
Neil Bolima I assume he slowed it down
Imagine you're 117 credits into your music degree, and you walk into the final exam for the last level of sight singing and transcription. Your professor passes out blank sheet music and says "All you have to do to pass this class is transcribe this." They push play, and it's one of the three-voiced 16th note battle intros.
The code's long been reverse engineered.
@@BlueSatoshi As a matter of fact, there's some very minor transcription errors (for instance, the sequence of four 16th C# notes at the end of the second bar in the very first music sheet shown are really a single quarter note) that tell me that he _didn't_ use the source code. Which makes this really impressive.
Did anyone else tear up a bit?
Every time he played the intros, the whole song echoed throught my head.
I did!
Yes.
I'm not even actually sure why I did.
Maybe it's just nostalgia, but these are some fantastic songs.
Gen 2 has by far my favorite soundtrack of the entire Pokémon series, and despite it having my favorite battle themes as well, they're the least interesting part of the soundtrack to me. Tunes like National Park (cool remix on the outro btw) and Azelea Town never get old to me.
I also wish Junichi Masuda was still the music director of the series as opposed to just doing the battle music like he does now. There's so much going on in the music of gen 2 (and to a lesser extent gen 1) that I don't fully understand, and it keeps me coming back to try and figure it out.
GSC was without a doubt, the most *metal* of the Pokemon soundtracks (so far) ;)
I wonder how the composer came up with doing those countering speed musical lines... like he could just kept adding lines and craziness
It’s just so brilliant and I’m just so amazed that this counterpoint works so well.
Honestly I was wondering how he made his choices, but now using contrapuntal modes makes a lot more sense to me, even if I could never replicate these pieces lol :)
Holy shit dude, this video is incredibly tailored to my interests. As a musician who spent a huge chunk of my childhood obsessively playing Crystal, all of these melodies are ingrained into my conscious - listening to them played with the notation visuals felt like returning to a familiar place. That said, hearing you talk about each of the common themes in these songs and seeing/hearing them highlighted has brought attention to all the parts of these songs that I love in new detail. I feel like I unconsciously knew most of this already, but seeing them clearly pointed out has just... made me so happy. Thank you. It also helps that the video was very well structured and paced, kudos
This video gave me crazy goosebumps and almost made me cry in some parts.
I spent countless hours playing and replaying Gen II when I was 11-12, but I never really went back to those games after I got my GBA. I hadn't listened to these Gameboy Color tunes in more than 15 years, but they were so ingrained in my subconscious that the nostalgia immediately hit me like a damn tsunami.
Thank you for this, 8-bit Music Theory. I am now subbed to your channel.
Well, time to go play Silver again. Another great video!!
God I love the Champion theme from Gen 2. It's just so good. Every time I hear it it's like a shot of nostalgia straight to the heart, and I want to dig out my old GBC and play through Crystal again. Or at least get SoulSilver out and enjoy the less limited soundfont.
You should definitely check out some of the Fire Emblem soundtracks. Not only are the newer versions really good, the retro ones are just as amazing
Tamborrino_64 that would be awesome, especially with fate's soundtrack or the archanean ones, though I'm down for any of the games.
Gaiden/Echoes is super interesting.
Six-year-old me who got his very own Gameboy Color and Pokemon Gold for Christmas and Current-age me who graduated from a conservatory are both screaming and I have no idea how to handle this.
Honestly, this is one of my absolute favorite channels
God, I appreciate the effort put into these videos in editing, scripting, and all the studying put into analyzing the music. Thank you so much.
You are amazing for teaching and transcribing all this work! This is extremely detailed and informative and no one else is doing this kind of work. Keep it up man!
Omg I saw this notification and got so excited. I just found your channel like three days ago and have been binge watching the hell out of it. Thank you so much for doing what you do!!!
Is there a full version of that National Park theme you used? That's probably my all time favorite Pokémon song.
Syd Little I dunno what he used, but have this: czcams.com/video/Pa9xdH4MSp8/video.html
Not sure if you're still looking but I wanted to find it too.
I've come across FamilyJules' version for now czcams.com/video/GZ3gZiMdf_U/video.html
another great video! Love the b2 description and how the phrygian mode adds a nice dash of color. Keep up the good work man!
I was just thinking about your channel earlier today. Loved the analysis.
Im able to understand just enough that makes me realize how amazing the music you analyze is. I love pokemon and you just made me see it in a new light, thank you!
I can't help but keep commenting on your videos... You rock man. I've always loved pokemon music (childhood nostalgia), and I know my music theory, but I've never thought to bring the two together. Seeing the music (especially the battle music intros) broken down and analysed was super fun, so thank you.
The most interesting thing I thought was the cooldown in the songs. Never thought about that before but almost every pokemon battle theme has that.
Gen 2 had such good music
Estuways
ikr!
gen 2 has the best soundtrack in the whole series
Aside from Union Cave and trainer battle theme
Union Cave's music is LAAAAAAAAAME
Dammit dude! But anyway, Dark Cave's music is great and is my favorite dungeon theme of gen 2
Wow!!! This is amazing, I loove the detail and I can't believe there's so much sheet music in 1 video, I've never been able to find this stuff!
Your videos are phenomenal my dude! Such an awesome idea for a channel!! Your channel is one of a kind
Great vid man ! I really like this format
Excellent transcriptions and analysis. Really would love to see more from the gold/silver ost or other Pokemons!
It’s cool to see how a lot of this transfers to some of the fan favorites from later in the series, like the 8th note bass line in Champion Cynthia or the melodic rhythm in the Gen 3 Rival theme, keep up the great work man
At 6:36: "In these battle themes, the phrygian color is used to give the music an edge that's really effective in setting the tone..."
*Super* effective, might you say?
I love this channel, thank you for making me notice things that I always listened to as a kid, but never noticed
Your content is always worth the wait
Super interesting stuff man. Your hard work is so appreciated
Another fantastic video. Listening to you talk about music theory not only inspires me to learn more but observe the music of the games I play now more
doesnt it just?
I hope we get a lot more RPGs, their music seems to cover the widest range and there's so got dang many that I love and can't figure out why.. which is good because games like that you're gonna hear the music for literally hours. Freakin.. if we get any videos on like xenoblade.. tales of phantasia / symphonia.. the paper marios, or anything like that, I will be even more entranced.
You named your Pokemon ii-V-I lmao
This is awesome! Very good observations! You do some amazing work and I'm a huge fan!
You genius. I knew about the chromatic intros, 1-5 basslines and Phrygian harmony, but the rhythmic profile in #4 was a complete revelation to me
It's amazing cause you're my favorite channel for both music theory and game soundtrack. Thanks for that, keep the good work. Regards from Brazil 🇧🇷
This was a really cool video. Found this channel on accident but im happy i did!
Everyone's talking about the Pokémon called ii-V-I, but what about bVII-I? Gotta have those backdoor resolutions.
that's a useful piece of vocabulary, thanks
You're welcome! I think I learnt it from the CZcamsr 12tone, who's pretty great.
First time viewer here and I had a big smile all throughout the video. Good job man
3:04 It's called "tresillo", widely used in African and Latin music. I think it adds a "tribal" feel to the combat songs. It is so common that sometimes I find it cliché (gets interesting with extra syncopation).
I like how the note sheets do an "exit, stage left" in the case of the 1-5, 5-1 it looked like a subtle animation of stomping feet at the edge of the screen.
PLEASE never stop making videos because they bring me more joy than anything.
This was awesome!!' Keep up the great content! I can't wait for the next video!
Loved the "Top 5 list"! Your analysis of 5 was spot on, I found those intros to be very funny.
your best so far, love this
I demand Bad Parkour to be the next patreon request. Also man that was FUN to listen to, I'd love to hear more weirdly specific top 5 so-and-so's honestly, it was pretty fantastic! I'm definitely learning more about music theory which each new video.
Almost at 100k man you deserve it!
Nice analysis! 2nd gen has always been my favorite. The Lance battle music is so intense. I never knew the battle intro's were different for each game! What a fun Easter Egg.
I really enjoyed the specifics of the video. Yeah, it's a bit technical, but along side the music demonstrating what you're talking about, it makes a lot of sense.
Ima need that national park mix you used at the end linked, slaps too hard to just pass up like that.
Literal mind blowing stuff here 💕 johto’s music is some of my favorite so I love seeing and hearing it being dissected!
My favorite piece of the whole game is the rival battle BECAUSE of that simmer down. Not a lot of music can make me feel emotional, but this one sure does.
Great video! Keep up the great content!
The great thing about Pokemon battle theme formula is that it's easy to build them on midi makers and make your own battle themes that sound genuine
One of the best videos hands down, please do more gen 2 analysis in separation to the battle themes!
I love this video style! Keep up the good work!
This is so good!! more weirdly specific stuff please XD
This is fantastic man!! G/S/C is my favorite gen by far and this is wonderful insight!
Hey Just wanna to thank you. I'm currently trying to learn how to make music and I decided to try a pokemon battle theme as my third song XD
Yours videos are very cool and it helps me a lot. Cheers from Brazil.
The spaced out bits in the battle themes are where you're meant to picture a dramatic tableaux of the whole battle
Woah. I've been a fan of Pokemon music for a while - it's what got me into ludomusicology in the first place, but what really interests me is the part about the phrygian mode. I've been noticing it for a while now, but it's often combined with the harmonic minor scale. It even pops up in other gens - gen 6 has Zinnia's theme (F#/G minor with a flat 2 and raised 7), Cynthia's theme (gen 4) uses this and the 'resting' tactic, and the Team Plasma theme from gen 5, which combines this with an unhealthy dose of Phrygian modulations. I swear to Arceus - Pokemon music all follows a similar structure, but it's incredible how much freedom is found within this one structure, even more so than games like Touhou (which has great but somewhat chord-progression-predictable music) and EarthBound. The newer music in Pokemon is interesting because of the unlimited instrumentation synth channels, but even these 8-bit themes show technique, style and emotion. Wow. You've opened my eyes to a lot about my favourite game series' music. :)
Gen 1 and especially 2 of Pokemon were what initially turned my less-than-10-year-old brain on to what exactly comprised _music_. The Gameboy splitting the bass and percussion onto a separate headphone from the other two voices meant that suddenly I understood that there were varying parts making up the whole, and enabled me to track their motion independently in a clearer way.
Love it love it love it. The pokemon music is so out there, yet so grounded in our minds. I wasn't even sure those encounter "flashes" were notated musically, I guess somewhere in my head I assumed they were some kind of... I don't know, independant sound effect.
Champion red/lance’s theme is my favorite video game song from any soundtrack. Might be because I associate it with good memories from watching marrilands wedlocke for
hg/ss
I've always wanted to see what wild encounter alert looked like and hear it as it's components so this video is Fantastic. Thank You
I just found heaven on Earth, this channel is amazing!
The Lance battle music always gives me this feeling of everything being on the line, you (the trainer) are giving 110% to try and win and survive the battle with your Pokemon.
This is awesome, such a great job
The pokemon songs are some of the most nostalgic for me and you made me see (or hear) them a bit differently.
I love your videos, I'm in AP Music Theory and I feel like your videos give me so many ideas on how I can write music. I've even been messing around with many of these ideas with my free time, and it's awesome to see what can be created from simple ideas.
Ps- You've just received a new sub.
6:13
B-but Phrygian (and Phrygian Dominant) are my favorite modes!
I absolute love the feel of the flattened second.
It's absolutely _everywhere_ in metal.
You should do another "How to write a song from...", but this time actually write a song at the end :P
You get all that noise barrage. And then the very last battle you get the calm heart-beat like start to the Champ theme
0:37 Noise Barrage
3:03 Syncopation
4:50 Bassline
6:02 Phrygian Stank
8:21 Pacing (hard to classify)
Excellent video!
I am learning counterpoint in my music theory courses right now and I thought it would be interesting if you could talk about how composers use/disregard it in video games. :D I love your videos, they are extremely well done and I love the humor you put into them. =)
I agree! it would be interesting to see how composers do counterpoint, especially because I don't see it talked about much. That and I should learn it too.
WhimsyHeath it’d be awesome if he analyzed the counterpoint in the dark souls 3 title theme
All I can say is that I wish you had more videos for me to watch lol. I find that video games make learning music theory a lot more entertaining.
ooh, I needed to hear this old kind of pokemon music. thank you for this video.
Could you do a video on RPG town themes? Ive played many RPGs and JRPGs and I've noticed that a lot of the town themselves sound very similar. I'm currently working on making my own game, and I've been using what I've learned on this channel to help me score it. I really want to learn what makes an RPG town theme sound so Towny. What's the secret ingredient?
i believe the composition process behind these is very similiar to jpop, so IV-V-iii-vi, harmony in minor and melody in major or vice versa, and maybe also secondary dominants and 7th chords, also the instrumentation and keeping it simple is important
sorry for being 3 years late but yea