Arctodus: The “Short-Faced Bear” is Misunderstood.

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  • čas přidán 17. 02. 2021
  • Larger than a grizzly bear, polar bear, or even cave bear, The giant Tremarctines such as Arctodus Simus and Arctotherium (usually just called the “short-faced bear”) are usually seen as bloodthirsty Behemoths. But what were these Prehistoric Bears really like?
    If you want to learn more, then PBS Eons made a great video about the Tremarctinae (the taxonomic family of short-faced bears) as a whole: • The Mystery Behind the...
    Wikipedia Articles for the animals if you want to learn more about them:
    Tremarctinae (general) : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremarc...
    Short-faced bear: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-f...
    ARCTOTHERIUM: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctoth...
    Spectacled Bear: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectac...
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Komentáře • 678

  • @burnttoast26
    @burnttoast26 Před 2 lety +1586

    "It was a normal omnivore, sorry to disappoint"
    *I'm not disappointed by a freaking horse-sized bear*

    • @iliketurtles5682
      @iliketurtles5682 Před 2 lety +33

      Hey there still is horse sized bears lol so your in luck if u want to see one! Polar bear. Grizzly bear.

    • @sinbad5471
      @sinbad5471 Před 2 lety +20

      @@iliketurtles5682 but those bears aren’t as big as draft horses

    • @matthewj.sanchez2425
      @matthewj.sanchez2425 Před 2 lety

      @carlo er is

    • @trabistheidio1095
      @trabistheidio1095 Před 2 lety +10

      Horse sized bears today are actually pretty common, just because these were as TALL as a horse doesn't mean they were as light as one. Keep in mind overall size isn't just determined by height, by that logic Giraffes would be bigger than Whales. What I'm trying to say is, these bears were actually twice the size of the average horse, but were only about as tall as them because of their robust body plan.

    • @rubengonzalez750
      @rubengonzalez750 Před 2 lety +1

      @@sinbad5471 there are huge bears out there.

  • @christiancinnabars1402
    @christiancinnabars1402 Před 2 lety +423

    *An upscaled bear ends up likely being a normal bear, just bigger*
    Paleontologists: 👁👄👁

  • @Tarbtano
    @Tarbtano Před 2 lety +309

    Final conclusion?
    "Hmm yess, this bear is shaped like bear."

  • @Nameandaddresswithheld
    @Nameandaddresswithheld Před 2 lety +971

    Bears are scary enough as it is. They’re apex omnivores. The bear will eat whatever it wants. If you get in it’s way, it’ll eat you too

    • @ultrademigod
      @ultrademigod Před 2 lety +86

      Unless you eat it first.

    • @papakurt4162
      @papakurt4162 Před 2 lety +111

      @@ultrademigod You ever wonder why bears don't live in Florida? Two words: Florida. Man.

    • @sparxy3487
      @sparxy3487 Před 2 lety +26

      iit cant eat me if i eat myself

    • @bkjeong4302
      @bkjeong4302 Před 2 lety +32

      @@papakurt4162 Florida does have bears (black bears, and prior to human colonization Arctodus plus the Florida spectacled bear)

    • @papakurt4162
      @papakurt4162 Před 2 lety +28

      @@bkjeong4302 OK but have you ever seen a bear in Florida? Don't answer that because I know you haven't. Clearly this is indeed fake news, you're trying brainwash me into feeding my children to the devil(Sheen Esteves) and I will not stand for this libtard rhetoric. Now if you need me I am going to have a wonderful dinner with my wife(who isn't a 40 year old man wearing a tin foil Alex Jones mask.) Bathsalts rule, I swear I'm not gay. Isreal ⛴⛴⛴

  • @fiddleriddlediddlediddle
    @fiddleriddlediddlediddle Před 2 lety +348

    Grizzly bear: *is normal bear.*
    People: "WOW! THAT'S SO COOL!"
    Short-faced bear: *is normal bear*
    People: "Lame."

    • @user-mp8wy8lp4y
      @user-mp8wy8lp4y Před 2 lety +7

      @Mike Pretty sure the hell pigs were extinct by the time this thing existed

    • @hollybyrd6186
      @hollybyrd6186 Před 2 lety +5

      It was 4 meters tall, I'd still mess myself if I saw one.

  • @grubalaboocreosote4774
    @grubalaboocreosote4774 Před 2 lety +795

    I never understood why they couldn’t just be feeding on naturally larger and more plentiful species of fish. Glacial melt meant way more water everywhere, which means way more fish.

    • @Jason918114
      @Jason918114 Před 2 lety +174

      Fish ain't easy to catch. Grizzlies only feast on fish during the salmon run once a year. Semi-aquatic polar bears rarely feed on fish. Bottom line is, bears are great at foraging and scavenging not fishing.

    • @grubalaboocreosote4774
      @grubalaboocreosote4774 Před 2 lety +74

      @@Jason918114 that’s fair, however, the glacial waters I’m talking about would’ve been home to species almost identical to running salmon and large trout, making it a likely food source for such a large animal. Based on what the video said about the protein consumption not reflecting the whole species, I bet they ate a TON of berries and other flora. Black-bears around here dine almost exclusively on berries for a big portion of the year.
      Edit: Unless berries didn’t exist then here, I don’t know anything about the vegetal fossil record.
      Edit: Scrap ALL that, just did more research. They had too much competition for fish, and likely followed massive roaming herds of mega(?)fauna just picking up the dead as it went.

    • @rotciv557
      @rotciv557 Před 2 lety +52

      @@grubalaboocreosote4774 now I'm imagining a bunch of prehistoric bears following behind a herd of prehistoric bison while ringing bells and shouting "Bring out 'yer dead!"

    • @grubalaboocreosote4774
      @grubalaboocreosote4774 Před 2 lety +5

      @@rotciv557 I need this animated like We Bare bears

    • @krkrbbr
      @krkrbbr Před 2 lety +15

      more water doesn't equal to more fish, it doesn't even correlate

  • @onigojira
    @onigojira Před 2 lety +609

    I do want to note that when bears chase prey, the animals they go after don't generally zig zag. They go after elk, moose, etc. Not little gazelle or rabbits. Their prey items are hefty animals that rely on raw speed, strength, and endurance.
    Unfortunately for them, the bear is ideal for taking down just that kind of prey.
    Also, these animals are more likely to stand their ground and fight. Which bears are also very well designed for.
    You kind of gloss over the idea of the bear being good at running down prey but it seems to me that bears are ridiculously good at it. They just don't seem compelled to do it very often. Probably because foraging and fishing, especially up in Alaska, tends to be so much easier than taking on other mega fauna.

    • @kennethsatria6607
      @kennethsatria6607 Před 2 lety +71

      Apparently there's been documentation of them hunting deer too.
      They might be fast enough for ambush, not a prolonged chase.

    • @meso07
      @meso07 Před 2 lety +52

      do bears hunt moose on the regular or do they only do it when desperate? Because it seems like a big risk to tackle a moose, even for a bear.

    • @abrahamthebewildered1448
      @abrahamthebewildered1448 Před 2 lety +25

      Bah! Poppycock. I've seen many a bears target lithe, skinny jean-wearing prey.
      Yes, yes, I'm immature.

    • @meso07
      @meso07 Před 2 lety +5

      @@abrahamthebewildered1448 what?

    • @victory8928
      @victory8928 Před 2 lety +1

      @@meso07 look its eating a people

  • @treyfinley6733
    @treyfinley6733 Před 2 lety +191

    There really isn’t much to be disappointed in here, if you were to go back in time, you would still be able to film this magnificent animal in pursuit or ambush hunt, just as you could film any grizzly today, while also, you could film the more graceful elements also present in modern bears. If anything, this animal has become more interesting if anything

  • @jeffreygao3956
    @jeffreygao3956 Před 2 lety +494

    Actually, Arctodus being an oversized spectacled bear makes a lot of sense; The ending is hardly anti-climactic.

    • @fellipedasilva99
      @fellipedasilva99 Před 2 lety +50

      An oversized spectacled bear that behaved more like a brown bear but yeah…

    • @trekkintexan5160
      @trekkintexan5160 Před 2 lety +19

      There's always a "well actually" guy

    • @fellipedasilva99
      @fellipedasilva99 Před 2 lety

      @n/a They mostly don’t, they fill in completely different niches the two species…

    • @jjt1881
      @jjt1881 Před 2 lety +1

      @@fellipedasilva99 Yes, that's exactly what I thought. Its behavior was completely different from a Polar Bear.

    • @infamuscab6723
      @infamuscab6723 Před 2 lety

      “Omg bro” 🤦‍♂️

  • @fartoocritical9409
    @fartoocritical9409 Před 3 lety +296

    Budget museum: The short-faced Bear was a scavenger who used its size effectively.
    Rafiki: NOPE! Wrong again!

    • @prehistoriccreature1800
      @prehistoriccreature1800 Před 2 lety +7

      It's true lmao

    • @rafiki4191
      @rafiki4191 Před 2 lety +5

      True

    • @gushutchinson8758
      @gushutchinson8758 Před 2 lety +2

      I had a lot invested in THIS bear?!
      WTF?
      IT'S A BLOODY JESUS BEAR??0)
      ...so it DID EXIST ?
      OR NOT?.
      it was likely a big stroppy Kevin...?
      keegan?
      A BLOODY cwvav

    • @fellipedasilva99
      @fellipedasilva99 Před 2 lety +7

      It most definitely opportunistically scavenged tho like all bears…

    • @wrightii5340
      @wrightii5340 Před 2 lety +15

      @@gushutchinson8758 did you have a stroke

  • @ubi_ezis
    @ubi_ezis Před 3 lety +96

    This channel is so underrated

  • @ripleyandweeds1288
    @ripleyandweeds1288 Před 2 lety +111

    Here's the thing: bears DO chase after prey and they are pretty fast for the prey they go after, which would (for alaska) be elk and other larger bulkier animals that aren't capable of making nimble sharp turns like a rabbit would. If we're to assume that Arctodus shared a niche in its habitat similar to the ones modern bears fill then it would have been just as capable of short distance ambush pursuit as the bears of today. To anybody interested in biology and evolution the idea of a prehistoric bear being an omnivore that lived a life similar to the bears we see today isn't really a big let down, but the fact you brush off the idea that it was also probably capable of active hunting is the truly disappointing part.

    • @petrfedor1851
      @petrfedor1851 Před 2 lety +7

      The scavenging part seems reasonable to me as well. Modern bears after all ocasionaly steal kills from smaller predators. Obviously they were not specialised for such a diet.

    • @harper1587
      @harper1587 Před 2 lety +4

      True lol, maybe instead of just ditching away some ideas just blend them together, and then we have an oversized bear
      Wich is not disappointing because is still an oversized bear

  • @jackplant7252
    @jackplant7252 Před rokem +10

    Saying "they were tall enough to look someone in the eyes while standing on all fours" was effective as hell for getting me to visualize the size of this guy

  • @A_Box
    @A_Box Před 3 lety +72

    Still a bit nightmarish to have a huge bear roaming around your camp. Imagine running into bear cubs...

    • @dav9104
      @dav9104 Před 3 lety +6

      You know how some people keep bears as pets? I wonder if someone kept Arctodus as a pet. Would have been quite q sight.

    • @beastmaster0934
      @beastmaster0934 Před 3 lety +16

      @@dav9104
      You could probably ride one of those things.

    • @kennethsatria6607
      @kennethsatria6607 Před 3 lety +4

      @@dav9104 It doesn't usually end well, and aside from actual rescued unable to live wild bears it should not be practiced. And its also very difficult with how demanding their food needs are.

    • @titaniauranus
      @titaniauranus Před 2 lety +4

      @@dav9104 Haha you can't pet Arctodus the bear pets you

    • @stephaninaa
      @stephaninaa Před 2 lety

      NOT A NIGHTMARE WHEN I CAN 1 SHOT THEM WITH A GUN

  • @Tarbtano
    @Tarbtano Před 2 lety +107

    Honestly I use this animal as a case study for overthinking things. Occam's razor is a process a lot of people could stand to think on more often. If the skeleton looks almost exactly like a scaled up version of a spectacled bear, this animal doesn't live or interact all that much different from its smaller relative.

    • @topiheimola69
      @topiheimola69 Před 2 lety +12

      Can’t imagine it living in trees or supporting itself by eating 95% plants though.

    • @Tarbtano
      @Tarbtano Před 2 lety +3

      @@topiheimola69 Living in trees? Not likely. Though it certainly could climb as a cub, it probably didn't as an adult much like brown bears almost never climb as adults. Living largely off of plants however is entirely possible as much larger herbivores exist. I'm not saying it did, at least not entirely as diets would probably vary quite heavily individual to individual and region by region. I'm more making note than many adaptations that were written off as apparent ones for carnivory work just as good for being an omnivore and herbivore.
      Spectacled bears are largely herbivorous but they certainly don't turn away from animal protein if they get the chance to scavenge or there happens to be a target of opportunity they can hunt. They live in a relatively restricted range today, so I would suspect if the spectacled bear lived over a larger region their diet would not be significantly different than what we see in other generalist bears like the black bear and brown bear. Some regions might have individuals that dine on a lot of animal protein, others might have regions that are almost strictly herbivorous, with most in between.

    • @michaeleager4635
      @michaeleager4635 Před 2 lety +13

      Occam's razor would suggest the size difference would be explained by occupying a different ecological niche

    • @Tarbtano
      @Tarbtano Před 2 lety +2

      @@michaeleager4635 not necessarily. And certainly not necessarily implying drastically different diets. After all different populations of brown bears and black bears across both the Old World and New world, in the same sort of environments Arctodus lived in, all have dietary overlap as generalist on horse that'll eat pretty much anything they can get their paws on.
      The folly here was failing to look at the closest living relative and seeing if it's physical traits beyond size drastically differed. They don't. The skeletons of this ice age giant and it's modern-day relative are virtually identical beyond size. An amiable comparison would be to compare the dietary preferences and food sources between two different populations of brown bear that drastically differ in size and see if there would be noticeable differences. More often than not there won't be.
      So instead of seeing that the short face and long legs that aren't actually all that distinct really didn't change the Bear's behavior from what is the norm of bears, no ended up being decades of rapid hole spiraling speculation that didn't hold up.

    • @Tarbtano
      @Tarbtano Před 2 lety

      @@michaeleager4635 born to give an example within another genus, both a tiger and leopard can be drastically different sizes. Some tigers can weigh over 500 lb whereas some leopards can be as lean as 60. And you have to spite the two eating different animals, obviously on account of size and location, the size difference doesn't change the fact both of them are almost pure carnivores. The same could be said of how different populations of brown bear can drastically differ in size and get all of them are omnivores.

  • @denizen9998
    @denizen9998 Před 2 lety +31

    I figured the second hypothesis was submitted by Jack Horner.

    • @Qbliviens
      @Qbliviens Před 2 lety +2

      You are a scavenger! And you are a scavanger! Everyone is a scavanger!

  • @doratheexploder286
    @doratheexploder286 Před 2 lety +41

    narrator needs to check his sources. Polar bears grow way bigger than 300-350kg.
    The largest polar bear on record, reportedly weighing 1,002 kg (2,209 lb), was a male shot at Kotzebue Sound in northwestern Alaska in 1960. This specimen, when mounted, stood 3.39 m (11 ft 1 in) tall on its hindlegs. The shoulder height of an adult polar bear is 122 to 160 cm (4 ft 0 in to 5 ft 3 in).

    • @ewokwarrior2656
      @ewokwarrior2656 Před 2 lety +2

      Just one or a few? Compared to a general population?

    • @christiancinnabars1402
      @christiancinnabars1402 Před 2 lety +20

      He never said polar bears weigh only up to 350 kg. The exact numbers shown in the video are 350 - 700 kg, where 350 kg is the _lowest_ end of the scale.
      The polar bear you mention was a high outlier; though I guess he could have then made it the higher end of the scale(300 - 1,000 kg in this case) to no detriment.
      And additionally, some estimates for Arctodus’s weight do reach over 1,000 kg(and considering ~800 kg is the standard estimate for them, 1,000+ kg is definitely within realms of possibility), so the point he was getting across is still correct. He just made both sides of the comparison too small.

    • @maxjohnson1758
      @maxjohnson1758 Před 2 lety +2

      Ever been to the zoo? Polar bears are BIG. If a polar bear is 4' tall at the shoulder and the short faced bear was 6' tall, that makes it twice as large as a polar bear (no, not 50% larger, think cubic law). Now imagine that thing slowly walking right at you... .

    • @tylerrobbins8311
      @tylerrobbins8311 Před 2 lety +1

      @Nik Liwanag grolar bears are even bigger and I think if. polar beats keep moving south to get more food then we'll see them get around 800kg more often.
      Peopke forget Polar bears are aquatic mammals and eat freaking belugas!

    • @tylerrobbins8311
      @tylerrobbins8311 Před 2 lety

      @Nik Liwanag yeah polar bear actively hunt everything. It's crazy how dangerous they are yet seem to not be a threat to people in the artic.

  • @erichtomanek4739
    @erichtomanek4739 Před 2 lety +36

    Might as well call this teddy,
    The Mega Bear.
    You could have expanded on the bear's behavior of cart wheeling and somersaulting across the long grass plains.

  • @thegreatbearwolf2915
    @thegreatbearwolf2915 Před 7 měsíci +4

    Being honest, i am not disappointed as a creature able to 'intimidate' big cats and wolf packs away from their prey is really awesome.

  • @Dingomush
    @Dingomush Před 2 lety +12

    I feel that the plate showing the bear with the human skeleton on the right hand side for scale would benefit by someone sketching in a pile of crap under the skeleton. Like he just saw the bear and he knows he’s done for………just a thought.

  • @permanentvisitor2460
    @permanentvisitor2460 Před 3 lety +3

    You should add a join option. I'd happily support your work. I love it.

  • @BamBamBigelow..
    @BamBamBigelow.. Před 2 lety +3

    This channel is a gem, glad I found it

  • @yoboibeerus1387
    @yoboibeerus1387 Před 2 lety +33

    Thank you for applying the sources, its very useful. The largest skull Arctodus simus had in Yukon was 521 mm, and it was the largest skull of any bear. Here is a quote from the book : - "corresponding measurements A. Yukonense are 521 mm (20.5 inches) and 324 mm, the breadth being proportionally greater in Yukon's skull." A giant beast. I do think with that great size it could definitely hunt any large Ancient Bison alone. Keep it up friend!

    • @LoisoPondohva
      @LoisoPondohva Před 2 lety +1

      9.8% longer than the biggest known skull of an extant bear.

  • @FrogInShorts
    @FrogInShorts Před 2 lety +9

    I always thought the omnivore aspects of bears is kind of what makes them cooler than other predators of their caliber. Like the bear doesn't need to eat you to survive, but he still will eat you, cause bears are beasts and take what they can get.

  • @TheKingTVlmao_SUCK_MY_WEENIE

    man I really love your channel so much, hope theres many more to come

  • @DriftingStudent
    @DriftingStudent Před 2 lety

    You make good videos bro I appreciate all the work you put into them 🙏🏻

  • @colinsmith1288
    @colinsmith1288 Před 2 lety +17

    All bears are bad asses,is just the degree how bad ass they are.

    • @rotciv557
      @rotciv557 Před 2 lety +2

      And then there's the Panda...

    • @colinsmith1288
      @colinsmith1288 Před 2 lety

      @@rotciv557 Yes l saw A panda today for the first time in my life at Edinburgh zoo in the uk. The giant panda is a sight to behold.Beautiful creatures but they have same big ass teeth.

  • @dav9104
    @dav9104 Před 3 lety +4

    Congrats on 1k subscribers!

  • @Limrasson
    @Limrasson Před 2 lety +6

    MY headcanon for Dire Bears is that they fucking love hot-springs.

  • @Svensk7119
    @Svensk7119 Před 2 lety +4

    I have never been satisfied by the "hyper-scavenger" angle, especially since the early forms of this bear, that is the antecedents that were smaller, were considered obvious predators. Thanks for the double debunk at the end. They were bears. Therefore they would've scavenged, fished, herbivore-d, and predate-d as the opportunity arose. Great video!

  • @jjt1881
    @jjt1881 Před 2 lety

    I was not dissapointed. I learned a lot about this fascinating animal thanks to your video. And now it is even more interesting than before. Thank you!

  • @an0rangutan
    @an0rangutan Před 2 lety +12

    Because of Zoo Tycoon 2's depiction of the Short Faced bear, I actually always assumed it was just a casual giant omnivore, like other bears, in that game like most bears if I recall, it has one of the most varied diets, I recall never actually giving them regular meat or dinosaur meat as food, but rather I would give them barries, insects and fish, as well as adding arctic cod that they could hunt and catch if they wanted to and funnily enough, they end up beiny one of the most passive carnivores in the game, rarely ever killing anything else in its exhibit (if you do shared community exhibits like I always did to save space) in fact, the rate at which a pair of shit face bears kill animals, those said animals breed and the next generation grows to adulthood faster than the bears can do anything about it, in game time it's like once a year that they might kill something.
    So while that's likely incorrect, as a kid that shaped ky perception that these guys were pretty chill and probably wouldn't actively hunt much if they had other stimulus and were able to easily find other means of nutrition and calories (which likely wouldn't happen much if ever in the wild unless they gorged on Salmon in a similar method to Alaskan Brown Bears)

  • @pacho6821
    @pacho6821 Před 2 lety +2

    I always thought the same things about Arctodus since I saw a fossil of it and started studying and reading a little about this bear (bears are my favourite mammals). I'm very happy that there is somebody who share my ideas :)

  • @sonorasgirl
    @sonorasgirl Před 2 lety +1

    The dry, wry humor in all your videos is great

  • @MobTheKnight
    @MobTheKnight Před 8 měsíci +2

    Bears are one of my favorite species ou there and I never got the hype for the fantasized version of this big boi. Just from knowing there was a even BIGGER bear than the Polar variant made me go all fanboy mode for it

  • @rosie56727
    @rosie56727 Před 2 lety +1

    you got a gift, my guy. Great video

  • @stevebroadbent5080
    @stevebroadbent5080 Před 2 lety +2

    Great video with an unusually honest approach. No one can ever pin down totally hard truths in this kind of science but you seem to have a rigorously logical approach to the available knowledge.
    The conclusion makes sense IMO.

  • @quitequiet5281
    @quitequiet5281 Před 2 lety +1

    Excellent work!

  • @jayvanslayer2787
    @jayvanslayer2787 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Great video. Finally someone comes forward and says the short faced bear is not a runner, so of course not a hunter. Any animal that big and heavy is not going to be a runner--to be a runner it would have to be built like a greyhound. The wolves were the great hunters, and the short faced followed the wolves.

  • @Lightwish01
    @Lightwish01 Před 2 lety +21

    *You must be commended for the amount of research that you have provided on this bear! Well done!* I must admit I had no idea that this bears lifestyle was as such.

  • @richardtruckner2203
    @richardtruckner2203 Před 2 lety +2

    Great analysis….. completely agree !

  • @Harley-jt8cw
    @Harley-jt8cw Před 2 lety

    you're my new favorite youtuber

  • @stiofanofirghil1916
    @stiofanofirghil1916 Před 2 lety +1

    That's the beauty of science.. It can be wrong on a subject, but will instantly change that stance in the light of new evidence & discoveries..

  • @jessehickman668
    @jessehickman668 Před 2 lety +10

    Ending on a bleak note would be mentioning how/why it went extinct.
    I’ll wager a guess, it could be, the reason all large, small, medium, land and marine species go extinct.
    The spread of the creature so good at life it out life’s life…
    The dreaded Canadian Turkey.
    (Humans may have played a small roll in the turkeys meteoric rise to power and subsequent dictatorship, no doubt they were Canadian humans tho).
    Fun video tho. I enjoyed my time here

    • @W1se0ldg33zer
      @W1se0ldg33zer Před 2 lety +2

      Competition from more aggressive bears - Grizzlies and black bears - which moved westward into their natural territories.

  • @bruisedbooty438
    @bruisedbooty438 Před 3 lety +9

    Nice vid man, but do you know if there any accurate paleoart of the animal?

    • @TheBudgetMuseum
      @TheBudgetMuseum  Před 3 lety +10

      No, not really. Rarely do paleoartists actually go for the bulky, furry bear look, instead opting for a lean, inaccurate predatory creature. The only ones I could find that have the actual appearance down (or at least the appearance that I feel in my head is the most accurate) is this www.deviantart.com/deskridge/art/Short-faced-Bear-and-Saber-Toothed-Cat-308545226 and some of the illustrations from PBS Eons' video about short-faced bears.

  • @JonJon-vg2nv
    @JonJon-vg2nv Před 2 lety +1

    Amazing video!

  • @treydo1
    @treydo1 Před 2 lety +1

    Ive gone to an exhibit that featured this bear. They had it's skeleton standing as it does in the photo shown in this video. They also had a replica stuffed one standing all its back legs. No photo can do justice to just how large these bears were. Standing beneath i had to tilt my head completely up. (Im 6ft)
    Standing on it's back 2 legs it's head stood taller then the back of the woolly mammoth next to it. Truly unbelievably large.
    After being stood next to one. I can confidently say, in no world where you at least didn't have 2 people with very high power rifles, could one ever beat this bear in a fight.

  • @ZillyCatboi
    @ZillyCatboi Před 2 lety +1

    I would love to ride one of these into battle

    • @markmccauley3693
      @markmccauley3693 Před 2 lety

      If native Americans would have done that, no genocide!

  • @thomaswade3072
    @thomaswade3072 Před 2 lety +1

    Not just a great museum on a budget, the BEST museum on a budget

  • @justinreynolds8826
    @justinreynolds8826 Před 2 lety +7

    Well obviously it wasn’t just a scavenger otherwise the face would be longer giving it more surface area to smell better. I think the slightly longer legs were made for running and traveling long distances. Because the climate was changing so much back then I’m sure they migrated.

  • @ilayohana3150
    @ilayohana3150 Před 8 měsíci

    i like the fact it was more like modern bears. these kind of things make paleontology feel more tangible

  • @thatkidwiththehoodie
    @thatkidwiththehoodie Před 7 měsíci +1

    “It was an omnivore, sorry” homie it’s still a BEAR

  • @itsbean6830
    @itsbean6830 Před 2 lety +3

    “How big is the throne of lies this bear sits upon?”
    Most underrated line of the whole video.

  • @thesaviorofsouls5210
    @thesaviorofsouls5210 Před 2 lety

    3:38 such a graceful animal despite its long legs.
    Thanks for the laugh

  • @t.b.5115
    @t.b.5115 Před 2 lety +10

    Read it as "Giant Shit-faced Bear."
    Did a double take.

  • @boydgrandy5769
    @boydgrandy5769 Před 2 lety +5

    Isotopic testing on these creatures remains in the region of the lower 48 should confirm your hypothesis, based on the projected omnivorous diet you present.
    Has that testing been done?
    Makes sense though, that a bear would have the life strategy of bears.....

  • @yourgodismean4526
    @yourgodismean4526 Před 2 lety +3

    It wasn’t bleak, tho! I loved your remark at the end about science. A gentle reminder of sanity

  • @arctodussimus6198
    @arctodussimus6198 Před 2 lety

    Your thumbnail is my favorite picture… 😎👍🏼👍🏼

  • @MWK1995
    @MWK1995 Před 3 lety +14

    A very cool take on the subject, and one that might be more accurate.. Do you think the Short-Faced Bear having such a powerful dense skull served a propose of some sorts? And for the Relatively slightly longer legs, it wouldn't have a problem running down an animal, just like some modern Grizzlies do

    • @TheBudgetMuseum
      @TheBudgetMuseum  Před 3 lety +8

      I'm no expert on exactly why the Bear's skull is the way it is. I should have added this to the video, but I feel the bear's skull being super dense or whatever was probably another misconception that was maybe misinterpreted or fabricated to explain the scavenging behavior (as some sort of circular reasoning) . As for why it was deep, I don't have a clue. Spectacled bears have the same skull shape, and they don't seem to use it uniquely. My guess is the skull on Arctodus also served no different purpose than other bears, it just evolved shorter. As for the chasing, yes the bear could probably chase down prey over short distances like modern bears. But the evidence I presented shows like modern bears, they couldn't do it for long.

    • @MWK1995
      @MWK1995 Před 3 lety +5

      @@TheBudgetMuseum I agree with you that the Bear indeed doesn't have a short skull, but rather a tall one, but it had a relatively deeper snout than other bears Also. The Short Faced Bear having a very thick skull isn't a misconception at all, it is very robust actually, and the canines are much much thicker, and larger than any bear's canines even relatively, because of its size. Modern bears can actually chase animals for long distances, there are many videos on CZcams showing that. A 5 minute to 10 minute long chases, and I wouldn't expect any different form the Short-Faced Bear, it had the same strong skeletal structure as any bear that would support its impressive weight. The forelimbs wouldn't be under great strain, and break if it did run for long distances. Big Bears have dense bones, and large muscles. Cool knew detail that you mentioned I never knew about. The high ratio of nitrogen in some specimens found in Alaska might suggest they were overall more omnivorous just like modern Bears. However, are you sure the other specimens which are not located in Alaska don't have high-nitrogen ratios?

    • @prehistoriccreature1800
      @prehistoriccreature1800 Před 2 lety

      @@MWK1995
      Short Faced Bear had a very weak skeleton and couldn't run or fight well

    • @MWK1995
      @MWK1995 Před 2 lety +5

      @@prehistoriccreature1800 Weak skeleton? Any research suggesting that? and what do you mean by that? Thickness/girth/diameter of the bones weren't big? How is the weakness of the skeleton is measured exactly? Check this guy out "Sergei Merjeevski". He made a video about Bear skulls, and the Short-Faced Bear skull, and canines were so impressive, and thick compared to other Bears. I read research implying the Short-Faced Bear probably had the strongest bite force of any land mammalian carnivore that has ever existed. Maybe a very large Cave Bear's skull, or a very large Steppe Brown Bear's skull compares.. The Short-Faced Bear very likely bullied, and dominated carnivores in it's environment, even Lions

    • @Oppenheimer33
      @Oppenheimer33 Před rokem

      ​@@TheBudgetMuseumoh cmon short face dont got a long limb and short face? bro thats ultra disappointment they look so cool, no way it just normal larger spectacled bear

  • @BACNGUYEN-py5lx
    @BACNGUYEN-py5lx Před 2 lety

    Cảm ơn anh đã cho em xem video bộ ích

  • @horizontalnoodlelmao4286
    @horizontalnoodlelmao4286 Před 3 lety +1

    you need more subscribers, you so underated

  • @noetic8
    @noetic8 Před 2 lety +2

    I went to la Brea Tar pits museum in la not too long ago and let me just say I saw a life-size statue of what a short-faced bear would have looked like and it's just massive..... like two grizzly bears stacked on each other

    • @brownjenkin2267
      @brownjenkin2267 Před rokem

      I think the game Valheim gave me a permanent apprehension towards tar pits

  • @chancegivens9390
    @chancegivens9390 Před 2 lety +6

    It's a badass animal regardless.

  • @NoArtisticLimitation
    @NoArtisticLimitation Před 2 lety +3

    The dire Wolf has a similar issue with looking different, if I remember right. I’m about to look to see if you’ve done a video on them, but if you haven’t, would you consider it?

    • @psal8715
      @psal8715 Před 2 lety

      Dont they see the Dire Wolf as not a wolf at all now?

    • @LoisoPondohva
      @LoisoPondohva Před 2 lety +5

      @@psal8715 yes, it's definitely not a wolf.
      Phylogenetically it's closest living relatives are African wild dogs, but really they are very far removed from all extant species of canines.

  • @proto-geek248
    @proto-geek248 Před 2 lety

    what's w/ all the newspaper clippings surrounding the pics?

  • @mrban1419
    @mrban1419 Před 2 lety

    The mentally challenges of the wild are truly inspiring keep it up beartard may the force be with you

  • @Kakunkeittaja
    @Kakunkeittaja Před 2 lety

    good presentation

  • @crouchlp
    @crouchlp Před 9 měsíci +1

    Modern Grizzles hunt bison and moose. Just imagine this thing

  • @bovinebear2979
    @bovinebear2979 Před 2 lety

    you are funny!
    love your presentation

  • @silviu4248
    @silviu4248 Před 2 lety +1

    I want to say that the thumbnail of this video is super dope. It's like a painting , who would thought to paint such a hunting scene? Also , I like to imagine that I'm on a field alone , on a bright day with a clear sky , and seeing 300 meters away these 2 prehistoric giants "dancing" together , tf am I writing rn?

    • @silviu4248
      @silviu4248 Před 2 lety

      Lol I just finished watching the video , and to my sadness that epic fight scene may not have been possible ... but hey , it's also cool to know that the short-faced bear was more like a normal bear , not a hyper-carnivore beast , because if you think about it , ancient animals and their modern succesors do the same stuff , so they would be anatomically similar.

  • @jeffreyrizzo785
    @jeffreyrizzo785 Před 2 lety +1

    Dude! You should do a video on the Thylacine ( Tasmanian tiger)

  • @harrymills2770
    @harrymills2770 Před 2 lety +3

    First you argue that they couldn't chase, because their bones wouldn't allow it. Then you go on to say their legs are pretty much the same as modern bears'. I'm not sure you really cleared anything up for me.

  • @ReallyBigBadAndy76
    @ReallyBigBadAndy76 Před 2 lety +2

    I guess if we are going to second guess all the conclusions of paleontologists and popular science, we should probably establish a couple of things up front. With only a few exceptions (i.e. vultures), most animals don't wake up in the morning and say "today I am applying for the job of pursuit hunter." All animals scavenge. Lions are scavengers. Hyenas can be hunters. In nature it's always a better idea to steal someone else's kill than to go get your own. So there are no animals that won't scavenge given the opportunity. Just like a grizzly bear can (and does) chase down a bison calf, but will also sit at a landfill eating trash, there is no reason to think that extinct animals were any different. All of which is just to say that the idea of mutual exclusivity between "pursuit predator" and "scavenger" is just a misconception based on our need to characterize everything more neatly than nature.

  • @celestial5236
    @celestial5236 Před 2 lety

    An indepth video on arctotherium would be cool.

  • @darkangelazure
    @darkangelazure Před 2 lety

    Could you I.agine coming up on one of these suffering with mainge

  • @TheMegAxolatl4836
    @TheMegAxolatl4836 Před 9 měsíci

    How did it compete with other bears

  • @dwwest8168
    @dwwest8168 Před 2 lety +3

    What does a 2,000lb bear eat?
    Whatever the hell it wants.

  • @Ardi-wd9kz
    @Ardi-wd9kz Před 2 lety +5

    Horses weigh up to a ton and have slender, long leg bones, even moreso than the short-faced bear. Horses don't seem to have trouble changing directions at high speeds. Why would Arctodus? I just don't understand how an animal could run too fast for its own good.

    • @TheBudgetMuseum
      @TheBudgetMuseum  Před 2 lety +4

      horses also have incredibly sturdy leg bones, and a whole host of other adaptations to make them the ultimate runners. Arctodus has none of the adaptations we would see in a "running creature" except for it's long legs.

    • @Ardi-wd9kz
      @Ardi-wd9kz Před 2 lety +5

      @@TheBudgetMuseum I agree that Arctodus may have been primarily a scavenger with its keen olfactory organs, long gait, stamina, its size to scare off other predators from the kill and its powerful jaws to break bones in reaching the marrow, but I just don't buy that an animal's natural design would cause it to break it's legs while changing directions in pursuit of prey. It may not excel at catching fast moving prey, and may not be be able to change directions as well, but to break it's legs in the process is not credible. What other animal has this problem? I just don't see it. If anything, a bears bone are sturdier than other mammals in addition to it's extremely powerful muscles, ligaments and thick layer of fat to protect the bones from breaking. Plus, its legs don't appear to be that much longer or thinner than today's large bears that successfully chase down prey.

    • @TheBudgetMuseum
      @TheBudgetMuseum  Před 2 lety +4

      @@Ardi-wd9kz Modern bears are all ambush predators, creatures who can run down their prey with a quick burst of speed, something I assume Arctodus could do as well. But what was propositioned for Arctodus was an animal who could go on long pursuits after prey similar to a cheetah. And if you ever seen the incredibly twists and turns a cheetah has to do, and then compare that to an animal as bulky as Arctodus, you can see why it might not be able to accomplish that. Now I'm not saying Arctodus was always breaking a leg or two whenever it tried to run. I'm just saying these long distance chases it was theorized the animal could do would have cause immense stress on it's anatomy.

    • @Ardi-wd9kz
      @Ardi-wd9kz Před 2 lety +7

      @@TheBudgetMuseum cheetahs also have long tails for counter balance when changing directions at high speeds, something bears don't have. They are definitely not chasing down prey with the success of a big cat, unless they're just tiring out an animal over long distances. Either way, it was an amazing animal. Thanks for you channel. Great job.

    • @mightymikec7
      @mightymikec7 Před 2 lety +2

      @@TheBudgetMuseum dogs and wolves and canines have slim legs and they are long distance runners who will just keep chasing a prey til it tires....The short faced bear hunted bigger animals that were not necessarily fast...it could have just chased them down for long distances til they tired...they didnt have to out run them.

  • @oppaloopa3698
    @oppaloopa3698 Před 2 lety +16

    Jeeze I thought sloth bears with their stupid, creepy, dangly legs was unsettling. One of those that’s THAT BIG? No. Nature was right to nerf it.

    • @a.l.michael6240
      @a.l.michael6240 Před 2 lety +2

      My thoughts exactly 😬

    • @arctodussimus6198
      @arctodussimus6198 Před 2 lety

      Imagine being on the second floor of your house and seeing a bear looking in the window….
      This Bear was just too much for Man to handle, so about 10,000 years ago, they were all killed off.

  • @tyrannotherium7873
    @tyrannotherium7873 Před 3 lety +5

    It’s actually One of my favorite prehistoric predators of all time

  • @The_Story_Of_Us
    @The_Story_Of_Us Před 2 lety +2

    “Now it’s time to get to the truth!”
    *Short Face rolls around the plains like a ball*

  • @jeffreyrizzo785
    @jeffreyrizzo785 Před 2 lety +1

    Damn good video!!!!

  • @fullonsociopath
    @fullonsociopath Před 2 lety +9

    To be fair, being an omnivore doesn't mean this wasn't a badass hunter at times. Even extant brown bears and grizzlies will occasionally take down deer or elk. It just means that this wasn't it's sole food source. That was most likely prehistoric pic a nic baskets. :)

  • @alanquinn8745
    @alanquinn8745 Před 2 lety +2

    Short faces bear smelling for carcasses. Casually tumbles for locomotion.

  • @jennifernelson1198
    @jennifernelson1198 Před 3 lety +1

    So I have a native americn site in pennsylvania that I find ice age animal effigies I even have one of these bears..i feel it def gives Insite I to these animals .btw were there any type of sabre tooth like bears?

    • @TheBudgetMuseum
      @TheBudgetMuseum  Před 3 lety +1

      No, there were no bears that possessed sabre teeth.

    • @yoboibeerus1387
      @yoboibeerus1387 Před 2 lety

      Do you mean to Kolponomos C. Because that's the closet thing to Saber toothed bears as far as I know.

  • @creakingskull7008
    @creakingskull7008 Před 3 lety +2

    I love this channel

  • @brandonferrell828
    @brandonferrell828 Před 3 lety +2

    Knowledge is a happy ending.

  • @marcelousneal4812
    @marcelousneal4812 Před 2 lety

    CZcams had LITERALLY BEEN BEGGING ME to watch this video.. been on my recommendation for 4 days

  • @an0rangutan
    @an0rangutan Před 2 lety

    6:43 I legitimately thought you were going to make a pun and say "Never heard of it? That's to be exspectacled"

  • @idontnowifiwantedtoliveord7670

    lol the editor is great

  • @d0nKsTaH
    @d0nKsTaH Před 2 lety +1

    1:39 That's a horror movie waiting to happen right there.....

  • @akanji8285
    @akanji8285 Před 2 lety +1

    Reminds me of the monster from the series “ the terror”

  • @michaelbryant2071
    @michaelbryant2071 Před 2 lety +1

    In your mind, they are still guesses, not fact but, damn good video.

  • @jeffgaboury3157
    @jeffgaboury3157 Před 2 lety +1

    Interesting. Has there been any attempt to validate the more omnivorous nature of this species by testing the diet of specimens from outside of Alaska? I would think that would be the next step to confirming this hypothesis.

    • @victory8928
      @victory8928 Před 2 lety +1

      The problem is just how rare this samples so not many are willing to lose them for testing, but there is always the La bier tar pits for the surprisingly few that are there. (I may be thinking about the wrong species of bear, but I remember so fossils for short face bears being found there).

  • @lowelllipe9125
    @lowelllipe9125 Před rokem +1

    I kind of always thought, though omnivores, they were also, most likely, ambush predators.

  • @jackashmore
    @jackashmore Před 2 lety

    Can you do a video about orcas eating moose

  • @user-ih2hi2pc1z
    @user-ih2hi2pc1z Před 2 lety +2

    Lol who would think a horse sized bear is anti climatic. Like bro, were terrified spiders.

  • @ProphTruth100
    @ProphTruth100 Před 2 lety

    Solid animation of the bear out on the prairie

  • @urlicqeldromamakolligjazva1752

    That's 1 hell of a bite force from the shape of the first skull. Where the muscles on the head would be, that's a lot of muscle.

  • @jillbill7752
    @jillbill7752 Před 2 lety

    The idea of a 12 foot bear charging at you across the plains at 25mph is absolutely terrifying. But modern bears are also fast and they don’t really rely on that speed too much