Thinking of growing or buying an orchard SEE THIS FIRST. The Monoculture Treadmill: EMOTIONAL RANT.
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- I can get pumped about some things and growing a monoculture gets me going. I've been there with a 4,000 apple tree organic monoculture orchard and I saw the shortcomings and the treadmill mentality that is needed. It's FOLLY, it's crazy, it's foolish and I know most people will never change because it's the ingrained image they have of an orchard.
I show the treadmill you can be on with a monoculture orchard and briefly contrast it with the Permaculture Orchard's polyculture. The choice is yours. I'm just giving you a heads up of what you can expect with a monoculture orchard (organic and conventional) and a polyculture permaculture orchard.
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I have noticed that ‘companion’ plants work well in recipes too. Apple and blackberry, tomato and basil, mint and beans, dill and potatoes etc etc.
We also use algae tea. Seaweed has 60 trace minerals and ready-to-use nutrients including nitrogen, potassium, phosphate, and magnesium. It also contains hormones to encourage plant growth. 🍏🍒🍐
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Stefan, thanks for this video. I've been following you for some time, but seriously, thanks for this video in particular. We are in the process of buying an orchard. We look to close in about a month. Currently, it's a monoculture apple orchard with about 5 different apples and a little less than 500 trees. At it's peak it topped at around 900 trees. Our first priority is cleaning up the property and fixing up the house. This includes doing some much needed maintenance on the orchard parcel. Next year we will begin focusing on diversifying the crop and companion planting. We aren't running the orchard as a profit gaining venture, but we do want to establish ourselves in some of the area's farmers markets to supplement the care of the property.
Love the rants! Perfect timing too. I just visited a house on a lovely piece of land but, it's surrounded by conventional apple orchards and I was worried about the chemicals used. Wouldn't be optimal to start my hobby permaculture orchard. Thanks Stefan! Going to watch the film and take the tour. Merci beaucoup pour ton travail!
I’m a good student for you Stefan. I knew nothing about growing fruit trees. I had tried to but failed. Then I thought about a food forest. After watching your vids I think I can do it but in permaculture form. I’m doing this in my backyard so it’s getting interesting back here! Thanks!
I grew up in Poland, my grandparents had a very successful orchard. I spent every weekend and every holiday walking about, looking at and tasting the apples, plums, cherries, pears. They tasted delicious. Now, I live in GA on the border of zone 7 and 8, and I just found out that I can get an Antonovka apple tree delivered to my doors! That was one of the many cultivars my grandparents grew. I'd love to grow it, but do you have any idea if it will survive the hot summers here? It is a very sentimental thing, and I really hope I can grow it. I already have a small orchard with plums, persimmons, figs and a few apple trees. Any tips you can give me on adding Antonovka? I'd greatly appreciate it. Dziekuje.
Don't force it. Sentiment aside if it doesn't grow there don't bother.
If you are a good steward of the land, you will get "pumped about some things." Keep up the good work, it's healthier for humanity and the environment, both of which need a lot of help these days.
it's okay, i hate my e-mail inbox too.
i love learning from yo. you're like the gardening grandpa i never had.
my grandma had a small garden but she passed before i was ever old enough to ask her advice on how to grow my own food.
Great video Stefan, way to inspire and share information without condemning others.
Just watched the film. Thanks so much for your knowledge
Glad it was helpful!
Your passion is contagious!!!!! :)
Nice rant. I have only been following you for a short time now and i have not heard you talking about the soil specifically. I have been studying microbiology since stumbling on to Elaine Ingham's videos. That and my career in semiconductor manufacturing leads me to believe that the soil is the key to healthy and productive plants. Do you own a microscope and monitor the health of your soil?
I have one but don't use it for soil life. Yes soil is key to plant health and plant health is key to human health. Don't hide unhealthy plants with chemicals.
Stefan Sobkowiak so profound! My mom, now 93, said the same thing about modern medicine. But you said it better...we are hiding unhealthy bodies on medication under these modern frames. Thanks again!
my neighborhood is so full of black raspberry bushes. XD its crazy. small city typical urban neighborhood, and every july the black raspberries go insane.
AnimeShinigami13 The darker the berry the sweeter the juice???? Lol 😂
Inspiring, motivating, cultivating, regenerating. Thank you.
I am going to start planting this way. I always knew this was the right way.
Thanks for the tips, perhaps i'll invite the farmers sheep over next year. I've got an apple tree that has just gotten to size but it had no blossoms last year and none this year. When i bought it from the nursery i swear it had some fruit but somehow i must have grabbed the wrong one.
It is planted in a spot that is a little sheltered from the rain as it's very near to a shed (we craned it in in a hurry when the house next door was being built, we were going to move it a little but not sure now). but the lower ground water can get wet as it's not that far down from the overflow from my main roof gutters. Ground is stoney soil mix and alkaline with some shale or slate type rock not far beneath the surface + lime in the mountains higher up and probably a bit mixed in, there is some quartzite mixed in and the land used to be a meadow (before that it was a rock slide and a glacial moraine) at 1000M above sea level in mid south eastern France near the Italian and Swiss borders (and there is a beach forest 200 yards away).
This year the leaves have rusty curled edges and i see quite a few ants moving about.
Help! How wrong have i got this? My neighbour had huge harvests from a not much larger tree. Also i think i may hve planted it too deep. Should i dig her up after two years or should i dig down to just above the roots and then add a thickish compost mulch layer above?
And my berries are not doing that well either and they are on the south east slope, pretty steep with flat dished spots dug out for them. Should have put the tree above the berries right! I'm about to mulch around and between my berries and about to watch your berry video. Thanks again.
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1. Sheep- grass and insect control
2. Way- disease
3. Clay-
Thank you for your knowledge..
Dear Mr. Sobkowiak. Why didn't you even hint that your film 'The Permaculture Orchard. Beyond Organic' is with an audio track in Russian? - I would have bought it before (I just have it done now, almost by occasion, - better later then never :-).
I do not speak English, and I watch your videos on CZcams (I subscribe to your channel) with subtitles and online translator, and I barely understand a small part of the information.
Maybe a tour of your's Miracle Farms is also in Russian (version)? - I would love to take it to learn (if I could understand it).
Thank you very much.
(This comment is translated into English using Google online translator.)
Thanks for the reminder Erop. Yes a winter project is to get more translated versions of the tour.
Did you see this one in Russian: m.czcams.com/video/8dNbZFarXAk/video.html
I’m actually using these techniques to make more of a food forest than an orchard. I’m also planning for chickens, sheep and one day a few pigs. I’m also planning to grow some things like bananas, bamboo and some other things I haven’t been able to grow in lower zones.
Thank you for the inspiring information!
Do you think a couple Miniature Zebu or Dexter could do the job of the sheep in the sheep/whey/kaolin system?
Yes I do, we thought of getting some miniature jerseys.
Thank you for your time and education.
Thanks for another great video. :-)
I have non fruiting Mulberry in my front yard, One that died I want to replace with a fruiting mulberry, will this be an issue? I worry about will it affect the fruit? thank you in advance! (bought a place that already had them, I"m imposing my wishes on the new place. ) Also the place came with a row of cedar as a windbreak, (necessary) I've heard Cedar and Apples dont get along? how far from cedar would it be okay to plant a couple apples? also a good pear. hmmmm off to check on the garden.
Eastern white cedar is no problem with apples. Eastern red cedar(a juniper) is a problem as it’s the host of cedar Apple rust. Don’t know if mulberry has replant problem.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thank You! pretty sure these are red!
Take it easy yo everything left gonna be all right! :)
Also, we have dozens of wild apple trees around. I am thinking of making them into an orchard for cider. What do you think?
Absolutely and you can overgraft them to other cultivars of apples for eating.
@@StefanSobkowiak Thanks so much for getting back to me and thank you for sharing so much valuable and healing advice.
Thank you 🙏🏻
Hi Stefan, you are an inspiration. I am working on a conventionally planted orchard. I'm not sure if I can adapt it to be more diverse but... For my next orchard I am thinking of planting a poly culture espalier style to make harvesting and pruning easier. Do you think that would work out?
Sure especially for limited space. Trees are flexible it depends how much you want to work at them.
Pump pump and pumping : ))))
So no aphids and no dandelions... ... I don't believe it or birds even : )))))
It wasn't a walk, but you clearly needed to say, and I am glad you did. Thank you
It’s the missing part in the ‘go Walkabout summer ‘. Hey Tim I found some aphids this week on a couple of crazy suckers that grew 3’ this spring.
Could explain why sheep?
They eat up the drops (fruit that drop due to insect damage or overripe). They also trim the branches up to chest height to increase aeration in the orchard which reduces disease.
yes please explain. thanks.
@TheMatron'sMilitia why the sheep would not be happy ?? Fruit and grass!!
Right, thats what he meant by drops. I was starting to think did he mean eggs, as in insect eggs on the grass or something. @Stefan Sobkowiak Thanks for explaining
But also i have been told you should remove grass from around the trees. When the grass is killed off the roots probably decompose and new roots re formed for the new shoots but if you keep killing the grass back the soil will get richer from the grass roots breaking down as the weed fails to overtake and it stays weak. This makes and leaves more nutrients available to the tree. At a guess. As well as what he said :D
TheMatron'sMilitia
While your concerns are admirable, your militant attitude is just going to put people off and they will tune you out, ignoring everything you say. The video is about recreating a harmonious space that can also provide an income. Humans have not evolved far enough to exist without the need for it, so teaching people how to live within the system instead of dominating it is an important step.
Keeping domestic livestock is not the horror you make it out to be when the people are caring, especially on a smaller scale situation. Each animal is known and tended to. On my sis’s farm, helping out when she became ill, I felt like I was the servant to the animals, lol! I kept their space fresh, they had protection from predators, they didn’t have to starve to death in harsh winters, and they loved the attention and affection from their pet human. How does that fit in your paradigm?
You talk as if nature is animal paradise. Hon, it really is not. Tell me, would you rather die by being eating alive, as is usual for wild animals, or would you prefer to not suffer? Would enjoy watching your child starve, or see that child fed from food put in a bowl every day? Would you love having parasites that rob all your dietary nutrients so you get deficiency diseases, or would you go to the doctor to find out why your body is wasting and treat it? Would you enjoy watching maggots eat your flesh, or would you prefer to prevent fly strike? All these things and more happen out in the wild. Just because you don’t see it, doesn’t mean that animals not kept by humans are not suffering, and even suffering worse than with the issues you have cited.
But, no, I am not telling you to stop caring, nor to stop trying to improve animal lives. I am telling you this because your demand that people not have livestock, especially in a mutually beneficial arrangement, is without merit.
just finding you and binge watching your videos Stefan!! thanks for the great content! So the sheep.....do they eat the tree/shrub leaves too, or just the grass? also, which breed of sheep do you recommend?
Glad you’re enjoying the binge. Sheep eat everything, that’s why we don’t let them in the new blocks and permaculture orchards, except for late winter and late fall. Breed is whatever I can get. There is more difference between individuals than between breeds. I liked texel the most, easy, good mothers but my sample size was one.
Stefan Sobkowiak ok makes sense now! Thank you!
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How high you will leave honey locust to grow?
Depends on it’s main use, most 15-20’
Spray Milk whey?
Could someone please type the sentence where he says the tips?
I need help too, me hearing is bad. the first thing is sheep, I don't know the other 2
One of the others is kaolin clay, but the third I'm not too sure... I guess I heard whey, but it's so strange that I decided to ask confirmation from english speaking viewers.
Graze sheep in the orchard. Spray with whey for diseases and spray kaolin clay for insects.
Well, given whom it is who typed the text version, I guess it's true to what was said in the vid!!
Thanks for all the stuff we learn from your channel, there is a lot of very useful info in these vids.
Where are the sheep? Grass looks super long!
what are those little houses on top of the posts every so often?
Nest boxes for birds.
Yeah I was wondering what happened to your grazers
Ate some, sold some, some died.
Would it be possible for you to put up the links to the sprays you recommend using?
No links available it just whey from a cheese maker.
Do you build wasp habitats?
Yes, structures and plant stems.