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Ever find yourself stuck with a thin lead vocal in your song?
You're not alone.
Even professionally recorded vocals in big studios sometimes have weird frequencies that make them sound thin, harsh, or otherwise unnatural.
While there are quite a few ways to thicken up a vocal in your mix, today's video will show you two counterintuitive techniques you can use to bring back the fullness your vocal deserves. - Hudba
3 years later it still works !!
I'm working on a mix and the Main Vocal is cutting through but I can hear the thingness of this vocal.
This video was all I needed to solve this problem right from the phase button!
I've been following you and Joe for years. Awesome info from both of you guys.
Been waiting for this one. Thanks fam!
As usual, just great knowledge, and great sharing! Thx Graham! Merry Christmas!
As @Dave TheBrave says, switching the phase should have absolutely no effect in the voice track by itself, so if there's any noticeable change (I can't really tell the difference) is due to a faulty plugin doing more than it should
I tried this while vocals was in the mix. I heard it cut thru a lil. It's very subtle but definitely gave it a cleaner feel. Good stuff. I wanna say that I had it mixed already and it sound good already, so at the end of the day it's up to your taste 🖒
Glad to know that music is similar to Optometry !! I am an Optometrist :) ..
Just the advice I was looking for!
Very nice ,thanks man go back to work right now
Great video :) might have to try the tube collection lol
Never thought of that, that polarity flip might be applicable due to the nature of digital EQ,s changing phase relationships the more extreme cuts are
Need those thicc vocals
Hey! can you do a video about mixing vocals with downloaded track. On how to unificare correctly, because my vocals do not fit in the track.
Thanks!
I read "how to chicken up thin vocals".
ahahahha thanks for the laugh
I like this record 🎧🔥
That nasal sound sounds like Antares Auto-Tune. Makes the 600-800hz range sound static and fatiguing
Thanks! Love and peace!
Singer is great?!?! HE IS F*CKING AMAZING!
Hey you should make a video on your take of Microphone shields for home recording....do they work or are unnecessary? Great videos different genre but your knowledge seem to able to apply everywhere. Thanks
Wait so when using the compressor part on the ssl you want to have the “To channel out” button pushed? To have the compression enabled?
This was very informative. Thanks! Chris C, Cash In Country.
thankx brother
I'd be interested to hear whether the phase flip makes any difference AFTER you did the EQ cuts. Cos I feel like the cuts, while cleaning it up, just thinned it back out again a little. Just curious cos it is super subtle.
i just finished a mix tape with some guys from canada, they said i should use channel strip, but i can't find that plug in. Where can I get it from. I also would like to learn more from you.
maybe the polarity button on the ssl changes the sound because it runs through the desk simulation does this work with a built in digital polarity switch?
Thank you.
flip phase on single vocal.. i have never thought to try.. I will
What's the name of this song and where can I find it
Anyone use the Waves Onekob series to thicken up vocals? I have found the oneknob phatter/brighter plug ins working in tandem make the vocals really nice & thick with added clarity!
I thought about doing that
Amazing advice
Thank you 🙏🏻🌈💥⭐️
How’d you come across the phase invert? Just playing around?
The phase flip is noticeable on ear buds.
Hey yo! I am a novice mixer and the polarity tip is interesting, but my rookie question is more about levels. Maybe you guys can offer some advice. I see at 3:49 (also at about 5:09) that the E channel is showing the vocals in the red on the meter. Is that acceptable?!? I always thought that was to be avoided. Clearly the vox are not clipping and maybe this is only to highlight the vocals for this tutorial. Is it ok if the levels are in the red?!? I know that the emphasis is how it sounds not on how the levels look, but I don't know if that would be an issue down the line (i.e. mastering). The same issue at 9:54 with the Slate satch, the meter is deep in the red. Am I being too paranoid with my fear of the red?!?! Someone set me straight here. thanks! Great channel BTW
still no answer. sorry for you bud 🙁
On that plugin, it seems that the red square stays on. I don't know if it stays on until reset, to indicate that at some point the vocal had clipped, the meters on my DAW do that, or whether it's just always on. If you look, it's lit up when the vocal isn't playing, and often, there's a gap between the green or yellow lights coming up from the bottom to indicate volume, and the lit red square at the top. On the meters in the DAW, at 9:54, that red line coming down from the top is gain reduction from the compressor I assume, not the vocal clipping.
can you try this in FL studio
Listened the solo phase flip without watching, and did not notice any difference. But I’m interested, what could couse difference? Algorithms in this particular daw, physics of some particular speakers? In any case, i find something that is not audible, a bit of a waste of time.
hey friend
Hey friend!
I want the song
Its strange because I thought that flipping polarity of a soloed track shouldn’t change the sound. It could change how it interacts with other tracks. I must have had the wrong impression. I want to know what’s going on to change things. Thanks for thats. Its interesting.
Flip the phase on a mono track payed in solo makes you hear a difference? Are you sure this isn't some kind of Placebo effect or confirmation bias? Maybe there's something that I don't know yet but to me, it doesn't make sense. Some tracks loose some bottom end because there's another track cancelling out some of its frequencies, that's why we flip the polarity but to do it on a solo track and hear a difference? Huh?
At the moment all of the video resolutions on CZcams have the same audio quality. Even 144p will sound like 4K.
Wrong. Bitrate is decreased at lower resolutions. 144p has very little in the way of crispness.
I really enjoy what you've done to these vocals in isolation from the mix. To me, they sound tighter, not thicker than the original. But then again, all these descriptions are subjective to a degree.
The phase switch on a single track is laughable, almost to the degree I feel like you're dropping little brain-farts in your video's like this on purpose to keep people's attention.
None the less, sounds nice in isolation.
I do wish you had presented some more context around the dialogue. Because this is titled, how to thicken up thin vocals in your mix, not in isolation.
Sincerely,
N.
Eh.... The vocal tone was better before the eq, polarity flip and compression. A multiband compressor would have made the original vocal tight and controlled as well as only letting the key vocal freqs through.
JoeyAndersonTV
Special on the EQ I thought the same. Was thinner then without EQ. But it's anyway a bad idea to alter a single track without the rest of the music. So we might be wrong in the whole song as he was showing only
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I'm sorry but this phase flipping makes no sense.
It appears to be very subtle because there's no difference at all, it's just a fact: phase issues take place only BETWEEN MULTIPLE WAVES, because of physical laws, so it's not possible to hear a difference listening to one track in solo.
If there was any difference, that could be because of the plugin not only flipping the phase, but also adding distortion to the wave (crappy eq!)
No hate
Hey Dave,
You are certainly correct in theory.
In a mixing environment Phase Cancellation manifests as a relationship between multiple sources being summed through a single speaker or ear which is obviously limited by the laws of physics. This phenomenon is most often heard when an instrument such as a drum kit is recorded using multiple mics. Phase cancellation can also occur in a medium such as the air in a room [i.e standing waves]. Light waves also cancel each other out in a similar fashion although without the need for a medium. Cancellation is the result of combining two [or more] oppositely polarized signals. If the signals are 180 degrees out of phase with each other, total cancellation will occur and the result will be zero [180 + -180 = 0].
Here's the rub. I have been creating and editing drum samples for many years and I always test flip the phase [polarity] in and out during the editing process to check which sounds "better". Why would I do this? you might ask. Well, I do this because there often IS a difference in tonality between the two polarity options in isolation. I can hear it very clearly on some content and not at all on other content. In my experience the effect is much more prominent in the low frequencies than the high. So a kick might change tonality dramatically while a hi-hat will sound identical.
Now I don't claim to understand what is actually going on here as yet, but I do have a few thoughts..
1) It seems to me that a speaker might have a slightly different tonality when pushing out versus pulling in. This could play a part in the difference.
One way to think of this is to compare it to the sonic difference between a Saw-wave and a Ramp-wave. They are technically the same wave shape but are 180 degrees out of phase and absolutely DO sound different.
2) Inter-sample clipping. If a wave contains inter-sample clipping, flipping the phase will slightly alter the relationship of this clipping to anything after the phase flip in the signal path by 180 degrees, which might in-turn alter the temporal masking characteristics of the wave form and therefor the harmonic series i.e. timbre
That's all I can think of at the moment ;-)
Hopefully someone will actually read this TLDR post and comment further. Have a good one!
Flipping the phase makes no sense in solo mode! Now if you flip the phase and listen to it in context with the rest of the track there could be a difference. BUT...if you want extremely thin vocals, duplicate the track and flip the phase on one of them! Then you will have the thinnest track of all time. LOL!
dont say sorry. you are absolutely correct
waves SSL, proper crappy eq that one
p.s. you're 100% correct in theory, but if it works for him - it works for him:)
Britney Spears is not a bad singer but definitely benefited from great audio engineering and this is what happened.
It's a shame that it had to be a country song lol
Dude... as long as the placebo helps you... but that phase inversion is in your imagination.
Phase and polarity are not the same thing, you can not flip polarity of sound.
Patrik Nekrotik proof? Polarity is what gets flipped? Phase can only be adjusted. He also said that in the beginning
Proof? Polarity does not apply to sound, it applies to an electric current When you flip polarity you make the - into + and the + into - . Phase can get flipped (he did it in the video) but also adjusted, it's not an "either or" here. Just google it's not hard.
Patrik Nekrotik polarity does not need a specific natural element. Polarity in its broad sense determines direction and movement. It’s used in more places than electrical current....
Patrik Nekrotik also, phase isn’t flipped, it’s adjusted. The phase of anything must move from 0 degrees or “offset” you can’t poof a phase which is a property of any signal. Second, ifanything has a phase it has polarity. Sounds clearly has positive and negative direction. That’s basic knowledge. Just google it -_____-
www.prosoundweb.com/topics/education/polarity_and_phase_explained/
This is what I based it on. Could be that I misunderstood something, I'm not sure.
NO! if the polarity inversion affects the sound you hear in the context of a single mono track, it is only in your listening environment (which is probably not perfect from a stereo image point of view ). This advice is totally absurd and makes absolutely no sense
Nope, it made a difference for sure. Had nothing to do with listening environment seeing as I'm listening on headphones.
I did NOT hear anything different. This was a waste of time
I don’t get all these manipulations. Someone’s voice should remain their own natural one.