A few updated thoughts, thanks to feedback from comments! . *The Grid:* According to Tron Legacy, the Grid we see in the movie (as well as DDD) is actually an updated system by Flynn, CLU, and Tron. I'm assuming the original system is the Space Paranoids from the first movie (which is still different from Radiant Garden's space paranoids). If DDD's The Grid is an updated version of the original system from the 1st movie, then that does make consistent sense between what Xemnas says in DDD, and what Tron says in KH2. I was also informed that while Sora may have been in the real world, it's still probably that Riku himself was inside Sora's dreams, and thus still in Sora's dreams of The Grid. And that would actually make more sense of the Commantis that Riku alone fights. . *Reality Shift in KH3:* Another hint that Sora and Riku may still be unchained even in KH3 is the use of Nightmare's End and Mirage Split to create the rainbow Keyblade against the Demon Tower when saving Aqua. "Reality Shift" I'm assuming in DDD is a play on the idea that dreams are just that-- dreams where reality can be bent and twisted. So the idea they still have a power like this in real world may be because they're Unchained. . *Heartless projections:* It has now finally been confirmed in Kingdom Hearts Dark Road that the Heartless that appear before Apprentice Xehanort's experiments in Hollow Bastion are in fact projections from the Book of Prophecies.
Underrated theory channel. I love your work and I ESPECIALLY love your audio/video work! You put a lot of time and effort into it to ensure it's clear and crisp.
Wait... That third point. So even the Neoshadows in the flashback scene in BBS are just projections? It's safe to assume Heartless exist in the Dark Realm naturally, so Zero Point and 0.2 are real heartless hours, but those Neoshadows are the only Heartless in the Realm of Light in the main games chronologically.
This last point brings up something interesting to me. I was going to argue that the Heartless appear not just in projected worlds but in Daybreak Town as well. But that's not JUST the Heartless. This DOES hold up because OTHR projections show up there as well- Donald, Goofy, and Mickey, in the Gummi ship. If I remember right, these were also projections from the book. This brings something to mind. How REAL are these projections of the future? Is Data Daybreak Town a construct ALSO created by the Book and just digitized. That wouldnt be the FIRST time a book has been digitized to be projected in this canon, right?
This video really experiments with the saturation of colors, I wanted to go a "DDD hot pink, lisa frank"-esc look. But let me know if it's a miss and I will refrain from doing it again!
That pool analogy really helped me understand what the Unchained state means. I had no idea how to visualize it before, so even if it’s just a theory for now, thank you for clearing it up!
I just want to say that your videos are simply brilliant. I don't care if your (very interesting) theories might happen to be wrong or farfetched. Your videos are done so well: The editing is awesome, you create own graphics/animations, make good use of sound effects, and the content is very structured. And most importantly, you're always factual, you use references, replay in-game dialogues, investigate deeply, include all possible possibilities, and manage to explain everything easily. It's always a great joy to watch your videos and I really hope that your hard work will pay off one day.
It would be a very simple mistake on his part as well. Assuming he had data on the destruction of Radiant Garden, it's logical for him to assume that his user: Ansem/Apprentice Xehanort, destroyed the world from which the Grid was copied from.
The Grid itself is data found on a computer that exist in Sam Flynn's world, which would be the world that is actually asleep, Data cannot be put to "'sleep" as YX established, but the Grid is still attached to SF's world, in the same way Space Paranoids is attached to Hollow Bastion. But yes, The Grid is real but is still in the Realm of Sleep because the world that Sam and his father reside from, fell to darkness, so they're possibly real too and not dreamed up versions.
My belief is that The Grid as depicted in KH3D is generated by the dream of the world in which the ENCOM database existed, while the actual version of The Grid was created BETWEEN Ansem The Wise copying the data to create Space Paranoids and the Tron world being lost during Xehanort's rampage just prior to the events of KH1. Only if they ever send us back to the Tron world will we see the "real" version of The Grid as defined in the KH series.
This theory has a huge potential to explain the secrets of the Keyblades, and the World of KH in general. With the evidence provided by the Secret Reports, I believe that to be "Unchained" means to be unrestricted by the reality, you know un-chained(therefore making every Keyblade wielder already Unchained, yet conditioned to use the powers based on the rules of the World, as well as the magnitude of their belief in that power i.e the strength of their hearts). And that's a possibility, if, and only if, dreams are involved. After all, the interesting thing about dreams is that people don't believe they are real. It's silly, because you can't say that something is real, if you can't materialize it. Yet, dreams are already a part that we can't control, an a part of this World that we're experiencing frequently. They are undoubtly true, therefore they are real. There are clues all over in regards to dreams being responsible for the fantasy of KH. Just looking at the first one, that is Sora's quote at the beginning of KH1. "I've been having this weird thoughts lately, like...is any of this for real, or not?" is sort of implying that Sora doubts the existence of the fantastical things that are happening to him. It's unreal, as he doesn't truly believe in what he's experiencing, and it goes directly against what he's used to. No magical keys. No blocky space ship. No talking ducks. I'm not sure, if the quote in the opening sequence of KH1 is chronologically at the beginning, or if it's something that sums up Sora's experiences after he got the Keyblade. It's important to note, because of the whole notion of precognition dreams. To that, I digress, at least for now. Back to the topic. What breaks' Sora's perception of the World is Station of Awakening. A place now known to be situated close to the Final World, which lies "where the edges of sleep and death touch." It specifically states "awakening" and is known to be accompanied by Destati, which means "awaken" as well. A call for breaking the shackles of reality, a call to accepting the World previously thought to be fantasy. Thanks to awakening, Sora is granted the potential to use the fantasy, in a form of a Keyblade. It is not up until he snatched it from Riku, that he fully gets the benefit of it. Could also argue, if the fact that Sora got the Keyblade, and later lost it, is due to the fact that Sora was baffled the entire time, and didn't really believe what's happening. His trust in his friends, as well as his own power was a form of acceptance of his own circumstances -- sort of anchoring him to the potential of using the power of dreams, the Keyblade. The other evidence is the the D23 2017 trailer for KH3. There's a quote at the beginning, just before we get the first glance at the diving mechanic in KH3. It says "Don't assume your dreams are just a fantasy. If you can imagine a World, belive in it...and dive in." It just screams the concept of Anima Mundi here, and even alludes to the Book of Prophecies, as a tool of realizing the future, which is connected to dreams. So, what does that mean? It means that the existence of the World is separated by how you see it, an what it can become. Both outcomes are real, and both can be real. Illusion, or a dream can become reality. Explanation. Anima mundi is a compound of three elements. An indivisible and unchangeable substance; basically the World as it is, dreams and reality(X). A substance that is divisible and generated by material bodies; a takeaway from the unseparable amalgamation of dreams and reality(Unchained). A third and intermediate kind of substance partaking of the nature of both the indivisible and the divisible; a cross between two that is visible and useable in its full potential(Union Cross) They'll start at X. Awaken, and realize the power of dreams, which cross the realm of reality. Become Unchained. Use the power of dreams. Later, directly visit the Dream, and get a feeling of the flow of things that are a fantasy. Manipulate it, as well. That'd make the Power of Waking a form of dream-reality manipulation, and explain why Yen Sid tested Sora and Riku through Sleeping World shenanigans in DDD. And fulfill their duty through Union Cross. Unify the dreams and reality, and create a World of possibilities. Probably what happened at the end of KHUX, and what further destabilized the World that was split after the Great Keyblae War. Also something that the Master may be planning with Sora, Riku and the rest in the current saga. Therefore, we may consequently state that: -Kingdom Hearts- this world is indeed a living being endowed with a soul and intelligence ... a single visible living entity containing all other living entities, which by their nature are all -connected- related -Plato Just a little note that the World here doesn't mean the planet. It means everything.
This seems to imply that "worlds" and "realms" are a lot like quantum fields and that accessing Unchained powers is simply "phasing" into that realms' field of influence. In this case, the Keyblade is like a tuning fork made to allow unfettered access to all of reality and linked to your hearts' ability to channel it. If so, this pretty much explains all the obscure wacky plot lines.
I'm sorry but what the hell are you even trying to say? You've typed out what is probably the longest CZcams comment I've ever read but the only thing that was effectively communicated through this acid-fueled sperg rant is the "theory" that cognition essentially dictates reality. Is that it? "Everything is real if you make it real so believe in it"? There's zero substance to saying that within the context of a universe whose metaphysical systems are as vague, obscure and seemingly inconsistent as Kingdom Hearts. It's hardly even conjecture, nothing can be corroborated, especially not on the basis of things as baseless as a line from a trailer. It's really not that complicated. Nomura isn't playing 4D chess here.
@@FarronMoon That really doesn't explain a single thing to any meaningful degree. "Anything is possible because Keyblades" is not writing, it's closer to a cop-out. All of the nonsensical plot lines and writing decisions are by all means still nonsensical and there will undoubtedly be more inconsistency and retconning in the future.
I can admit to the fact that my writing style is pretty chaotic, but I'm pretty confident I presented this idea in a very simplistic way. To put it into perspective, what I meant was that the everything that we experience(brushing teeth, eating, watching TV), and the things that we did not(magic, mecha, meeting alien civilizations) are real, because they are an idea that already exist. That's the collective unconscious theory of Carl Jung, mixed with innatism, empiricism and rationalism, which I believe are all equal in experiencing reality. So, cognition does not dictate reality(your idea is highly egocentric and pertains to the notion of godhood, not what I'm trying to say), its role is to discover, doubt and accept. In other words, to learn things that you do not know. Your comment is quite biased though. I'm pretty sure you put your own interpretation over doubt, just because you don't like something about my comment(idk, if it's because I lost your time or you're trying to unload stress, don't care). As for the "zero substance" part. That's exactly the reason why it's a theory. I have no way of confirming what this Universe is. Just using evidence provided by quotes that are canon to explain what KH may possibly be about. I agree that Nomura's story-writing is straight garbage, but anyone can at least educate themselves on mythology or other concepts and implement them, to some degree, into their creation. Even Nomura. He's not going to explain a lot of them anyways, since he's using references, because they are cool, not because he builds a didactive value for KH .
i love HMK & SarahKey videos but there is just something that is incredibly refreshing when you upload a video. Kinda like a professor teaching in a grad school. it's like all your videos go hand in hand with each other and i can see that you really worked hard on these videos. Because of that I am a huuuuge fan of all of your videos. Videos like yours keeps the Kingdom Hearts community very enriched. Good job! Please don't stop making high insane quality videos!
Oof, I can't watch HMK. He's very rude and completely dunks on anything and everything he hates. And doesn't leave Anything up for debate. At all. It's his way or the highway. Like his Terra video. He was paid to say nice things for 10 minutes, accepted that, and spent the entire 10 minutes complimenting those around him. And then dragging out very superficial sentences (like his physical build and traits). Like, you really took money from a Patron and didn't even do what they requested. SarahKey is absolutely lovely. So kind and caring and she truly cares about this series. She may not like everything about it, but she respects the game and Nomura's vision enough to not insult it. Very professional and I adore her.
7:36 A minor tidbit/correction: According to the movies, the Grid from Legacy and DDD is a second version, not the original. This lines up with Tron stating that the original System was destroyed. However, as the Grid was rebuilt/Version Upgraded by the original programmer, rather than a pirated copy like in Radiant Garden, the `Norts may not see enough of a distinction between the original and the Legacy/DDD iteration to bother bringing it up to Sora.
OOooohhhh!!!! Thank you very much for this! I love Tron Legacy but I will admit it's been a minute since I've last seen it. That's very interesting, it certainly explains WHY YX _and_ Xemnas would say what they say. Thank you again! I will write a note of this in a pinned updates comment.
Awesome video Mel, I especially like what you did with colors here! Regarding the Grid, I think Young Xehanort didn't mean that the World was in the Realm of Light but rather that "what was happening there was real". Space Paranoid is a program copied from the Grid by Ansem the Wise, possibly in a period in which he couldn't leave Radiant Garden (he couldn't use Corridors of Darkness and Gummi didn't exist yet), so I think that ENCOM was somewhere in the *World* Radiant Garden. This means that if I'm right the World in which The Grid resided (= Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden) never fell into the Darkness and that Tron was right, the original program was destroyed. So what's happening here? What Xemnas said, "Data cannot dream", was referred to the world itself and not to Data-people (Tron has a Heart, so he probably can dream). In other words, The Grid doesn't have a Heart = it can't dream = what happens there is real. The people that Sora meet here are real people that were locked in The Grid when it was deleted from the original ENCOM system. And when the program was deleted, the Grid went into the Realm of Sleep. I don't think EVERY data-world ever deleted/destroyed goes in the RoS but only the ones that during their demise contains people (or data-people) with Hearts. I mean, you can't just DELETE Hearts. What do you think?
You are absolutely right in thinking that The Grid was still probably located in Radiant Garden-- something I never even considered until you and another comment here! In my head, because Sam and Flynn are so modern and technical, in my head I thought the city they live in must be some random disney world like one similar to San Fransokyo. But you're right, that doesn't make sense since Ansem the Wise can't leave his world until he becomes DiZ. I still can't say for sure though if Tron can dream because even though Tron has _very_ probably grown a heart, his mind was still easily manipulated and recoded by CLU, showing that even if he does have a heart, he still maintains important traits of being data. Even Roxas, being a real person placed in Data Twilight Town in KH2's beginning, was still coded in not being able to say the word 'photo' and even forgot his past completely until he gradually began remembering again, ovewriting the code (like Rizler did when regaining himself with Sora). Entertaining the idea that the Grid IS in the Realm of Sleep, then I personally assume that Sam and Quorra (Flynn's up for debate since he never left the Grid at the end of the movie) aren't actually even there, but are figments of the dream repeating itself, like Jiminy and Pinocchio were in Prankster's Paradise. That is NOT confirmed at all, but I'm only thinking so based on how they get out of the Grid at the end of Riku's route. But I do see what you mean about not being able to just delete hearts-- as if the Grid was deleted, and went to the Realm of Sleep as a result, we would have to question the state of Flynn himself.
Loved your design choices, the saturation is perfect - it unites the art of the separate games in a very cohesive visual language. Using the guilt levels for your numbered lists was a really cute touch too! Loved the #BLM shoutout 🤜🏿🤛🏻 . . . . I’m gonna rewatch cause there’s a lot to chew on here, and I’m distracted by Isle of Armor release XD, but a couple things I’m already thinking about: - the fact that there are other elements related to sleeping power in kh3 like swimming, the change in Riku’s appearance, and the moments of “drop” that suggest unchained/sleeping state - the suggestion that data cannot sleep is really interesting considering the prevalence of data worlds and projections in the fairytale time/worldline - having sleep bleed into reality and become more prevalent/relevant seems important given chirithy’s warnings about the link between sleep and death
Another solid video. These always get me thinking. It would be so cool to discuss KH theories with you because of your perspective. Although I do have a question. If we take your theory of how the Sleeping/Unchained realm works...what state would you consider Sora to be in during the post credits scene in DDD? Before the credits rolled, Sora used the keyblade to return to the Sleeping World of Traverse Town to thank all of the Dream Eaters. Considering that Sora was awake in his regular clothes at the time but in a sleeping world, im not sure what to make of that. I feel it opens more questions than answers.
You sound like you've seen at least multiple of my videos, but on the chance that you haven't seen the one on Sora and Riku's appearance and clothes, I talk about how I really do not think the Realm of Sleep, or Sleeping Worlds specifically, are the reasons why Sora and Riku's clothes change. If it was, then we would see Sora's clothes change every time he goes to the Station of Awakening as well. But if you watch this video, then you can see that Sora's change of clothes is because of other reasons. czcams.com/video/Bj2Dmc3m0mU/video.html Because of this, I think Sora being in his regular clothes in Traverse Town is very normal. And even Sora visiting a sleeping world while being awake ( but the definition of that could very, as I personally would say anytime anyone visits the Realm of Sleep they fall asleep themselves ) isn't that strange since it's similar to how Sora has always visited the Station of Awakening, in KH2 when Sora fights Roxas, Donald and Goofy say Sora disappeared completely, meaning his body went TO the Station of Awakening-- in contrast to KH1, when we see Sora's body lying on the beach even though he dreams of the Station of Awakening. So it seems like you can visit the Realm of Sleep with and without your physical body leaving the Realm of Light.
The Secret Reports I have seen all of your videos. I do remember the video about Sora and Riku’s clothes. But I’m asking because we see Sora come in contact with the dream eaters at the end of DDD. Would that be an example of him in the unchained state. Your video says that because Riku was awake and he still had his dream eater powers, Riku could be considered unchained. However....for Sora at the end credits he was wearing his regular clothes and still being able to see the dream eaters(while I don’t know if he still has dream eater powers). I just found that scene interesting when I combine it with your theory.
@@Vexx109 Oooh I understand now! So I came to the conclusion ( which of course, could be an incorrect conclusion ) That Riku being a DREAM EATER changed his clothes, not Riku being the Realm of Sleep. And I also came to the conclusion that Sora being tracked by the Organization changed his clothes, not being the Realm of Sleep. So yeah once again, I think Sora being in his regular clothes, still being able to see the dream eaters, it makes sense to me personally. I hope this makes sense LOL
The Secret Reports And that’s just one of the reasons your videos remain unparalleled to any other because you put so much effort like this into them!! Keep killin it!!
Brilliant video! Very thorough, good work. I've had similar hunches in the past, that as the series goes on, "sleep/dreams" increasingly bleed into "reality" - had never thought to connect that to the Unchained state. I wonder if, on some level, this relates to what's going on with future-Sora in ReMind; I know he's strictly using the Power of Waking, but his actual metaphysical form is in and out of the real world, occasionally appearing to people but then re-entering the RoS at will (his friends' Stations, Xehanort's dream Scala, the Final World); there is also seemingly a relationship here with the ability to time-hop. Possibly similar to whatever state Ephemer is in, especially in his ability to appear to Sora during the Keyblade Graveyard - possibly Ava and some of the other Dandelions, as well, though they are, apparently, not simultaneously existing in the present reality as far as we know. Xehanort is also able to hop across space and time via versions of himself as Portals, which while not the same, is similar in that it suggests free movement between "reality" and "dreams," if I understand Portals correctly. Curious as to the overarching relationship between the Unchained state, the Power of Waking, time-travel abilities, Portals, and the Final World. Quite the puzzle
I think Sora summoning his dream eaters in KH3 is him using Unchained abilities, because while the other summons do seem like elemental representations of the characters, the dream eater summon is distinctly not that. They look exactly how they do in DDD, which makes me think he’s actually summoning them
This theory does a really good job of pulling together a lot of questions we've not been able to answer otherwise; Riku and Sora's weird appearance discrepancies in DDD, the random appearance of Ephemer, the PC in KHuX, Chirithy in general, and frankly just the whole "Unchained" concept in general, which as far as I know, almost no one's been able to really explain. You've really got a knack for theory-crafting!
You gotta make more content about the series. I can see that this will be a super reliable channel for questions about Kingdom Hearts. Glad to have found this.
You go so deep into subjects I never even knew could exist! I wish all Kingdom Hearts channels could be as thorough and thoughtful! But no, you're a step ahead of the competition.
One think it think worth mentioning is that the Meow-Wow summon is the only one that doesn't have that gritty elemental texture and the only one that actually seems to make "contact" with the real world, thus the more clearly physical visual/audio effects during combat. It really could be that Soras unsteady grip on his own abilities creates an odd mish-mash of accessible powers.
All this effort makes me think of KH in a more broader sense than I would have ever thought of. I appreciate all the details you give us in these videos.
I think the reason Riku didn't have the sigil outfit is of a similar reason Dream Eater allies don't appear in most cutscenes in the game; Riku was in the awake Mysterious Tower, which has no threats. Most cutscenes are non-combative, so the Spirits hang out in their wielder's heart until it's time to fight.
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I’m still 3/4th through the video but I must say your editing style is inspirational I like how you use tools to make steel artwork animated and your sound effects and transitions are truly incredible. I’m enjoying your theories about Tron Legacy’s The Grid being a real world. Your templates for the top of your video are also appreciated!
the quality and love you put into them is sooo good! I can watch them all over and over again, thank you so much. Colors are fine they blend in just well
Good theory! The analogy of the pool and being wet was a good visual picture and totally makes sense to me 😄 I think personally I would argue for the Grid being a sleeping world as well as the unchained state being more about the presence of where that person is, but I can totally see “state” being used as like elements being in a liquid, solid, gaseous state; they still exist in the same location but are in a different state. Great to see you back with your amazing presentations and ideas!
*Nomura watching this video" ah yes, this sounds like a good explanation *makes notes* Seriously though, it's nice having another video from you :) your voice is still the best and now you have a well researched and analysed theory? What a start into the day! About the grid: well destiny island was technically destroyed, too or swallowed by darkness. World's can be restored especially one out of data. At least this is my guess
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Super excited to see a new video! I'll probably comment more after I watch the full video, but I was honestly ready to scream when I saw this in my recommendations!
I think there is layers to this, what the characters believe the state of the world is and what the actual state of the world is. I think the REAL world is where Xozora goes when he wakes up, the world of Daybreak town was a dream world created using data similar to Roxas's state in KH2 and later recreated with JUST data into a Data world, the original world before it was broken up was made using the memories and stories of the children in Daybreak town/Scala As Caelum and when a virus(Darkness) damaged the world--the world became the one from KH1, the world of Darkness is the junk data of all the deleted places by darkness(not including Traverse Town which appears to be a location pulled from the world of darkness and The World That Never Was which is likely the same). Stepping away from that theory stuff... I think the power of waking and being unchained are the same thing, to be unchained by the system of the world requires a key to unlock it and using that logic I would assume that keyblade wielders are those who are granted status as a moderator with the ability to lock and unlock parts of the world, those that possess the X-blade are given Admin access to actually make any changes they deem necessary. Yensid once had a keyblade which may be as a mod as well, and of course Mickey Mouse who may have needed it to be King of a data version of Disney World.
I think that the Unchained State it's just what the name implies. It's like similar to be open to a Dream state. It's be open to the connection between the worlds and transit between then. The Dream World/State is similar to get into a medidative state while being Unchained would be opening the third eye
This theory is very interesting. I love the way you explain everything and the way you present it. Thank you so much for all your hard work on these Dream Drop Discuss videos, they have helped answer some of my questions about DDD and Kingdom hearts in general.
This was a pretty good theory, I would say that Sora is in between the unchained state it just something he can't really control since the beginning of the game started. But that is my opinion
Very informative! This could have some radical implications for future KH entries if proven true, but I like those implications that I can think of so far! Thanks for uploading, & super eager to see your next!!!
In Dark Road, Young Nort and his fellow students did remark that the Heartless from KHUX were indeed projections from the Book of Prophecies with the rest of the projected worlds and characters, specifically noting that Emblem Heartless aren't supposed to exist yet, and are seen only because of the Book's projection of the future.
Yeah haha, I got lucky posting this right before DR was released in saying that haha! I would have been annoyed need to update the video last minute had DR come out before this video’s release lol. I will probably make an update pinned comment soon with that point being apart of it :)
Nice i like the opening but the unchained state is when a heart is outside of the body. The heart can move around and you can do what you need to, but your vessel is waiting for you, and sometimes your heart can be lost. This is how xehanort moves through bodies, the same with sora in Re:Mind, and of course ventus
Hi Gabriel! That is nowhere stated or confirmed that Xehanort nor Sora are 'unchained'. So far the only people who have been stated to be unchained are Player (after our first fight with Ava) and the Dandelions (one of the flashbacks between MoM and Luxu). Other than that, saying anyone else is unchained is only conjecture and not confirmed, since the term is never specifically used in any title outside of X/UX.
Mini real world grid theory in the unchainedstate theory lol loved the video you’re always so thought provoking and always have great evidence to back it up
Could I be so bold as to ask where you get your sound effect assets? I don't even know what I'd do with them if I had them, but having access to all those KH sound effects seems like something very useful and fun.
A few places! multiple KH titles (search via platform): www.sounds-resource.com/ KH1 system sounds: czcams.com/video/5SbWKhQ2wJQ/video.html a few DDD sounds: czcams.com/video/m-HFSxFeZtQ/video.html
I still believe that summons are technically "canon". Sora is able to summon Simba in KH1. When he reaches Simba's world in KH2, Sora recognizes him as a friend who helped him in the past (KH1), he already knows Simba, so he behaves as if he actually summoned him in the previous game. Excellent video btw! :D
The summons in KHIII are different from the ones in KH1 & II. In KH1, the summon gems were basically people who survived their world's destruction, but weren't strong enough to keep their forms (Genie and Tinkerbell are the only exceptions); thus could only appear as spirits when summoned by Sora. The summon charms in KHII just seem to pull people from their respective worlds to aid Sora (Stitch is kind of iffy since he was already in Hollow Bastion when Sora got his summon charm). The summons in KHIII seem to be more like the summons from CoM, memories of those characters given physical form, since Ariel appears as a mermaid despite having already become human at this point. Not to mention that KHIII's summons (mainly Simba, Ariel and Stitch) seem to be comprised entirely of some elemental force, when in past games they just seemed to be the normal characters.
What an amazing well thought out theory! The way you make your videos and explain things is an inspiration! Earned my sub😁. Continue this great content and I'll know you'll make your channel known highly amongst the Kingdom Hearts Community!
Let's also not forget that at the very end of DDD, Sora returned to Traverse Town to find a large gathering of Dream Eaters, seemingly the ones he's gained as allies throughout the game, despite Traverse Town having been woken up by now. So I think it's pretty clear that once Sora was woken up for good, he himself was Unchained. Whether or not that has any effect on how Ephemer may interact with somebody, who knows? But it's something I noticed after watching this video. Gotta love when a theory makes you think things differently. ;)
Me: *watching Kingdom hearts 2020 trailer back to back to back* CZcams: The Secret Reports Drop 3 days ago Me: Stop watching watching the trailer, and clocks on The Secret Reports, MAD that im 3 days late O_O
So, Riku was in an unchained state because Sora was still sleeping. I think that happened because their hearts were connected with a strong bond. What if the player had a bond like that with Strelitzia??? We know that Strelitzia was very fond of the player. She may not be dead, but in a sleeping state. That would explain why the player gets drawn into the unchained state.
Hey so I’m a 26 yr old KH fan, I’ve played the game since it came out when I was a kid and I stumbled upon your channel and checked some of you videos brilliancy in these videos are incredible actually I have theories like this too but usually nobody listens to my theories and I’m usually just the crazy guy in the comment section like I think the new characters Hermod, Urd, Vor, and Bragi and xehanort’s master and Ava are stars in the final world in KH3 and I think darkness is either Brain or somebody new from dark road but I can’t wait for you next video and in the mean time I’ll just binge watch your videos
I wonder, if xehanort told that the grid was real, then maybe KHX was really on dream world, so ephemer contact they by dreams but from real world, cuz there's the discussion of then if they're on data world or real when the glitches happens in khux, so they're in real world, that's data, they traveled to data world, I mean arghh so confusing
I think that someone unchained because he entered the realm of sleep can be chained again because you enter the realm of sleep and dreams are projected through Memories of the hearts in the realm of sleep so If you made the reverse way using the chain of Memories you can re-chain the unchained
You forgot to point out the secret ending of DDD where Sora retains his KH2 outfit and visits the real version of Traverse Town to reunite with his...surprisingly big amount of dream eaters(Seriously, Sora, how long were you in the Sleeping Worlds to get all those dream eaters?!)
These videos are beautifully (and feel lovingly) edited... And they make me feel in touch with the energies that drew me to KH in the first place ✨ I've really grown apart from the series over the years (especially with III) due to the hyper-commercialization and what felt to me like frustratingly poor writing and one dimensional characters 😞 As long as there're analysts, essayists, and deep-fans holding the torch like yourself however, I'd like to re-immerse myself in the series and try to find what I love about it, making it my own again 💜 Thank you 🙂
Have you ever stopped to think that Sora might still be in an unchained state? Because we see him at the end of DDD, in Traverse Town, in his KH2 design, with his Dream Eaters.
Scorchlette Hi! In my Sleeping Keyholes video, I imply that Traverse Town at the end of DDD may still be a dream version since Sora entered it via a Sleeping Keyhole from the Mysterious Tower. Hope that helps!
Here's something I still don't understand. How does this relate to the datascape of Data Daybreak Town. The way Ava and others talk about the Unchained state makes it seem like THATS the way the Dandelions enter the digital town. My thoughts are that Data Daybreak Town is somehow a data world that combines itself with the Realm of Sleep. This might explain why the Dandelions and Chirithies are then able to combine into Dream Eaters as the program shuts down. They simply slip away into the Realm of Sleep. I feel like a datascape combined with a Sleeping World might even be precedented if The Grid is anything to go by- But this all hinges, of course, on Xehanort being wrong that data doesn't 'dream.' Perhaps something like Tron or Data Daybreak Town, is something different from either dreams or datascapes on their own. Perhaps this is what an 'Unchained' Realm is. This would be consistent with Ava and others in KHUx talking about Data Daybreak Town not just as a data projection but as if it's a complete alternate dimension. I feel like I'm talking gibberish at this point. Does ANY of this make sense?...
you really put a lot of effort in your videos and i really like your voice, hope to see more of them, about the unchained state: what if it's affected by external factors Like, if we say, that the unchained state can be achieved by entering the RoS, sora should be in the unchained state since from the first kh, but as we see, he soon get attacked by heartless etc... that's because he doesn't know about the "unchained form" so he can't use it, once sora start his training he recognize this new power and use it, riku does the same and knowing that, he remain in the unchained state until he get back to yen sid's tower "escaping" from sora's dream and that's why he get his normal aesthetic, we also see sora going to traverse town and summoning all the dream eaters. I know it doesn't make a lot of sense, but i'm pretty sure all these plot holes are in there because nomura like to change too much things.
Hi Francesco! You've mentioned a couple things I've explored in previous videos of Dream Drop Discuss, so if you haven't yet, I really suggest checking out the entire playlist. It may answer any questions you have so far and address what you consider to be plot holes :)
I love how you use in game graphics to show stuff, like how you used the World Map images of TWTNW and The Grid when you summarized when Sora and Riku were in the Realm of Light (awake world).
Crazy theory.... i think Skuld might be Ava. We never see Avas face. And there are no scenes in union cross with both Ava and skuld in them together. She coupd be infilteating the dandelions to change the masters plans. This would also end the debate of "subject x", since both ava and skuld would be correct. She could wven also be darkness, symbolized by her white and pink forteller outfit changing into the dark black skuld outfit. When she found out the masters plan, and that she had a hand in it, it could of opened her heart to darkness and shes using thay to tey to stop the master.
I just really don't think Ava is Subject X, because of the Epilogue. Xigbar saying "I guess Ava didn't make it after all" and "I told her, clear as day, what it is I had to do" implies that Ava would indeed know that Luxu's summoning the Foretellers. But Subject X in her entry barely remembers her "four friends" -and if Subject X was Ava, and her "four friends" were the Foretellers, and Xigbar told Ava he would summon the Foretellers, then Subject X would have stated so in her entry. But Subject X made no mention of her "four friends" being summoned in her entry. So one can ask, well maybe Luxu told Ava that BEFORE she lost her memories. But then Xigbar in the Epilogue would KNOW Ava lost her memories and wouldn't come to the reunion anyway because Xigbar carried Subject X away from Ansem the Wise's lab. So Ava being Subject X just doesn't make sense because Subject X's entry and Xigbar's lines in the epilogue don't line up. SO because of that, we can be sure that if Ava isn't Subject X, then that leaves only Skuld to be Subject X. And this also means that Ava and Skuld are indeed two different people.
I don't know if you'll read this, but: how do you think the ending of KHUX (the dream eaters part) afect this theory? Do you think it kinda needs an update? Thanks in advance. Edit: okay, I also think the Ephemer part may be diferent. I really like this theory and come back time to time, sorry.
Hi! I think this is a great question, and I would like to give a new “updates” pinned comment on all, if not most, DDDiscuss videos now that KHUX is over. In a way, I dont think the ending contradicts this theory, but I dont know if it goes out of its way to support it either. To me personally, this theory is still just “possible” like it was before KHUX’s finale. The only particular point I feel the need to make is to remind people that the dream eaters we use in our DDD party are still created from dream pieces and recipes, so I don’t think Sora and Riku fought along side Chirithies or Dandelions in DDD, personally. I do think that it was the bridge though, and that its possible in KH3 that the spirits Sora summons are dandelions, since I personally think Sora leaving between DDD and 0.2, Sora getting the dream eater heartbinder, and Sora talking to Ephemer are all connected. Especially since Sora never said anything like “wait, who are you??” to Ephemer, I think there’s a chance they’ve met before. But thats just me personally, I dont have anything to back that up LOL
Well for the Grid Discussion, in Tron Lore Flynn destroys the OG World and remakes it only bringing Tron over. This what Tron said in II and the Grid being Real in DDD are both correct.
Thank you very much for letting me know! You and another comment mention this and it makes things make a LOT more sense. I will write about this in an pinned update comment!
Quick question, it seemed you assumed that the data worlds in KHUX were not in the realm of sleep but I was under the impression that entirety of KHUX occurs in the realm of sleep, with the data worlds existing as a loophole so the worlds would seem to continue instead of endlessly looping. On the other hand maybe I missed some big story elements because that would make Game Central Station connecting to Data Daybreak Town much more of an anomaly.
It has never been confirmed that KHUX occurs in the realm of sleep, so I do not know how you came to this impression, sorry! You may be thinking about Ava giving her speech to the dandelions where she said the training would take place in the Realm of Sleep ("Today you're here to continue with your training for our mission. This session may seem like it's familiar to you, but in a world that is different, one made of dreams.") However, that was TRAINING, and the actual execution was during the scene that Ephemer and Skuld came to Player at the end of the Keyblade War. I will admit that other than a bright flash of light, how the Dandelions actually ENTERED the data worlds is a mystery (especially since they did not know they were in a data world until much later in KHUX's story). Even in very expositional scenes, like the MoM talking to Luxu in Quest 910, MoM never states that the Dandelions would enter the Realm of Sleep after the war.
Amazing theory. Now I kinda wonder if Sora going to the final world and/or what he did their helped him be unchained in order to talk to ephemer. Would explain why things were differnt the second time as well. Chirithy in the final world does say the realm of death and sleep touch or something like that. It seems odd to me that Data can't dream though. Data has light, darkness, and hearts. Why can't a Data world dream. But I can't deny you're evidence that it's a real world is more compelling than not.
Once again, lovely gorgeous video as always Onto the problem i may have about the theory now, about the dream eaters, so Ive noticed one of your main point here was to come to the conclusion that dream eaters, mainly the ones from ddd, cannot exist in the real world, and tried to explain the moments where they are in it as exceptions and such. And you were doing a very good job with it, but i realized something when you brought up the pet spirits. We were never... Given a confirmation that dream eaters can naturally be born naturally from dreams, like from yen sid at the start of ddd. Which is what i assume you were considering dark chirithy and ddd's spirits to be. But.. They arent really. At least, not ddd's! Just like chirithy and the pets, they also need a recipe, and materials! Sora and riku may not used a bottle, but they are still only artificially created. Ive just rewatched all the cutscenes where it appears, and the dark chirithy sure seem to know an awful lot about the master of masters' intention and how he used them. They do say they were born by the player's darkness, but even before that, originally, they were a normal actual chirithy, when we see them in the cutscenes, which slowly turned dark. They may even have been the one that faked to be the player's chirithy who gave them the bangle as well, that would make chirithy's reaction when they first see the other chirithy more believable, they arent as surprised as they would be, they noticed them giving the bangle. It clearly goes through a corruption caused by the darkness of the player caused by the guilt, in that sense "born from their darkness". The clear thing that differentiates the chirithies from all the other spirits is really, just the fact that Chirithies, as they were made by the master, have way more powers than normal spirits, and can talk. As a side not, i would rule out the dream eaters in kh3 as not being summoned the same elemental way as the other disney summons, since they are notably the only one that look exactly like they did in ddd. So i do believe, from all of this, dream eaters arent really limited to live in the dream world, but can exist no problem in the real world, it would simplify the situation in general too. This fortunately doesnt seem to go against the rest of the unchained discussion, although i was hoping you could try giving your personal shot at the ither oddities going on with the characters of kh3, like riku changing hair after the bizzare "dream drop", the union keyblade and link block being used and stuff like those.
Joshua says to Riku, _"Why don't we give your dreams shape? In this world, they take form as dream eaters."_ This is where I get the foundation that spirits (at least those in DDD) typically are from a specific person. czcams.com/video/RDHOe9vHIOQ/video.html I imagine when he says "this world" he means a Sleeping Traverse Town (or a Sleeping world in general), as he later says _"Imagine my surprise, when I found out dreams take physical form in this world"_ when talking about the TWEWY gang right before Sora and Riku unlock Traverse Town for the first time. czcams.com/video/_hOozHzCdK4/video.html I can you see with the "the 2nd Chirithy may be the one giving the bangle"! Someone else asked me "where do you think the bangles came from?" and I absolutely think the bangles are directly from the MoM, since Ira in back cover (when talking about the dark Chirithy) says he and the others don't concern themselves with the tools at the wielders disposal, so I could easily imagine it was the MoM himself who distributed the bangles among Chirithies, and may have purposely given 1 to our 2nd chirithy rather than our first. Either way, I do think that 2nd Chirithy was born from our Player's dreams, since they show up after our character is in the Station of Awakening (when we choose our unions starting the game; it's not on the story quest list in UX unfortunately so we only see the scene once).
Also I think Riku getting his hair changed is only as strange as when Mickey loses his shirt in 0.2-- both are causes by a Demon Tower, so I think while they're both... really weird, I personally don't think Riku's hair has anything to do with the Realm of Sleep or being unchained. I will say I *COMPLETELY* forgot about the rainbow keyblade (and link block) in KH3! I personally think that only emphasizes _more_ that Sora and Riku could _still_ be unchained, if Reality Shift is truly a power only associated with dreams. I want to say that the case is stronger for the Keyblade more then the Link block, only because the Keyblade is associated with Reality Shift, while the link guard seems to only be a standard move that Sora can learn (though it does power up Dream Eaters in gameplay, so maybe it IS associated with sleeping as well).
@@TheSecretReports i see, but honestly, the Joshua dialogue REALLY does sound like all of those are just HIS suppositions based on his direct observations, he doesnt really know exactly how all of this dream stuff work. He says, imagine my surprise, and all of that. Especially because there he was referring to the fact neku and the gang's actual dream took shape as themselves, not really the dream eaters. Even later in ddd he does realize he made various mistakes in his observations since he really had 0 clues or knowledge about how the dream world works. He arrived in this weird place populated by these beings, i would assume that as well, before further investigations that they are animated pieces of material that someone or something mixed up. The clear cut explanation so far as to dream eaters being made is just from mom creating them in the lab or recipes. Otherwise there would be more weird confusing stuff, like if that second chirithy was made naturally, does that mean all the other wielders had a second chirithy(which doesnt seem to be the case in back cover and chi) ? Why doesnt sora, riku, kairi have one? Are they just for wielders, people who go to the sleeping realm, or anyone that dreams? It seems a bit bizzare, especially when the dream eater created isnt even a simple one like ddd's, but a chirithy even, which really seem exclusive to mom, made by him with no natural observations of similar stuff beforehand. Ava and everyone didnt know what those were, mom had to explain it to them. Same for spirits, they didnt exist at all before MoM made Chirithies out of nothing, since they are based on Chirithies, while dreams and sleeping realm was very much a thing beforehand.
Hi, Mel! First of all, I LOVE your videos. I've always been frustrated by other videos who put their own interpretations without saying why they think the way they do, so thank you! I have been rewatching all of your videos, and I had a couple of questions. Note: I do not at all want to act like I'm an immovable force on KH lore. I'm just a curious fan! Statement/Question 1: I may be late to the game, but I have been on board the "Ava is Darkness" boat ever since I first heard about it. In your video, "Ava is incognito as Darkness", you mention how Luxu had to transfer his heart from vessel to vessel for all of those centuries and that Ava is possibly hiding in the Realm of Darkness. It seems that whenever Luxu transfers his heart to another vessel, he retains all of his memories and powers. Is it possible that Ava can do this as well. I strongly believe that Ava is Darkness, but this could also explain why we haven't seen Ava after all these years, and possibly why she wasn't summoned back at the end of KH3 as you said. Because she didn't need to be brought back with the other Foretellers. She is already alive, and watching from a distance or maybe even from up close. Because if she transferred her heart to new vessels like Luxu, she would also retain her power of illusion as well and be able to take on a new persona to stay hidden if necessary. Statement/Question 2: In your video on the Sleeping Keyholes, you mentioned a couple different ways that there are more than 7 sleeping keyholes. However, is it possible that there really are only 7 sleeping keyholes. Each one tied to a different Guardian of Light? For instance throughout DDD, every time sora/riku locked or unlocked a sleeping keyhole it was the same keyhole, but it is tied to them. Almost like the keyhole itself, which again is tied to each guardian of light, is part of the key to awaken the sleeping world/sleeping heart. Then each Guardian can learn to facilitate travel between sleeping worlds, between the sleeping world and the real world, and into sleeping hearts to awaken them using the sleeping keyholes power if they gained the Power of Waking. This would mean that there are actually 7 sleeping keyholes, while still allowing much of your extremely well thought out theories remain true and also giving truth to the statements about sleeping keyholes that Yen Sid makes. I hope these questions make sense!
Heya~ This is just something j wanted to leave here for...discussion thinking or whatever. It's something I wrote in my party chat for KHUx as I got thinking about stuff. Just know some of it may be answered as I barely remember stuff from interview videos that discuss the Utimania. Anyways here it is: "Also something I realized as a theory. What if the "X" symbol belongs to someone else. We the fans knew the X symbol belongs to anyone that is affected by Xehanort. But if you think about it, before he knew of time travel how would he know what/(about) the sigil? And how would he place it on people's clothing that would be otherwise out of place. Unless people saw it as an aesthetic design or it something reminiscent of the old culture or something. Otherwise it's out of place. Anyways my point is what if the "X" symbol belongs to Darkness or any ancient evil of darkness? Basically anything before MoM. But that leaves that one problem. How was it before the MoM came to be. And what was the most ancient keyblade war about. And what was the reason for it? Good and evil? Opposing views? It's that one piece of the very beginning or the genesis of the KH universe that we're losing that gives us the very foundation of a context clue of why everything is happening in Sora's timeline. But then again there's the technical FF univeese now, so I wonder how that plays out. And how it makes sense for the KH universe. Unless it's a shared universe. But I'm going with the 2 different universes idea just in case. Because MoM is (in) Shibuya/Yorzora's world. An if it's 2 different universes, are we going to get that context clue of how everything started? And another thing. What exactly are Keyblades and why are they sentient in a sense? Why do they exist? Why can they choose their master regardless if they turn out evil? This reminds me of my story idea(s)of sentient swords/weapons of why they exist and why they have intelligence to communicate with their chosen wielder. Then again that concept isn't new. But now I got myself thinking now~ What exactly are Keyblades. Are they created or forged weapons that someone special made that might have divinity and thus they have intelligence to choose their master. Or they always around, but dormant till humanity came into existence. But why would they exist then. Arrghhh! I hope Nomura answers these questions! I really got myself thinking now of these concepts and theories! I edit in the () as add-ons to my incorrect grammar structure. That or sentence structure. Anyways, I tend to think about these kind of things, especially when I'm creative thinking for creative writing. Although I have the Nomura kind of writing as I don't like to kill off my characters permanently as I want to use them later in the future for my huge cross-over universe that I call the Fan Fiction Universe, due to me crossing stories with new or existing characters for the story idea. And when I'm done with those characters, I tend to ad them to the bigger plan of said universe~ Heck I even created arcs that revolve around a universes tournament of which character will end up winning bragging rights if being the strongest being. Of course there's more to it and in said tournament, no one can does it's just video game mechanics when they fight. Which doesn't translate well into books, but I'll figure it out~ otherwise, everything is just head cannon so far~ Other than that, anyone got anything similar to what I thought of or their own theories and ideas they want to share? I known I should put this stuff in a forum on Kh13.com or something. But I lack the means to make that easier for me.
Okay 2 things to say about this: 1: I think the DE not apearing on cutscenes is just because some of them are so big and others are so small that they could give problems. Also since they don't have the same animations, it would be really dificult (and very storage expensive since 3ds could only handle 4gb games) to have them in scenes. 2: The problem with The Grid is that Riku and Sora really have diferent adventures in theyr time there. This can easly be solved since Riku is not in the real world, but in Sora's dream of that real world, right?
Right I see you with the dream eater thing. But it still only emphasizes the idea that there are scenes where Riku should still have Dream Eaters around, even in the real world. And with the Grid, I also see you. But their stories never actually align, so they go to the same places, but it's at different times, and that could explain why we never see them together IF the Grid is a real world after all. I double checked both Sora and Riku's cutscenes before replying just to make sure ;)
Thank you for the video! This is really cleverly articulated. I like the tie-ins to the Grid and to KH3. I don't think it makes sense, though, that heartless and nobodies cannot "detect" someone who is unchained. This (1) is incongruent with Player fighting heartless after becoming unchained, though this could be explained by BoP/Data boondoggle; and (2) obviously runs afoul of your notion that Sora may be unchained in KH3. So, I think it may be simple enough to say that TWTNW was "cleared out" or abandoned after the events of KH2. Besides, Riku sees nobodies just prior to the YMX fight. One more unexplained event that points toward Sora (and Riku) being unchained in KH3 is the reality shift in the Realm of Darkness. There could be something unique about the RoD which aligns it more closely to the Realm of Sleep (like the Final World), but I can't recall any evidence we have of that. Thanks! This is good food for thought, and looking forward to the next series. And the saturation is very good.
A few updated thoughts, thanks to feedback from comments!
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*The Grid:* According to Tron Legacy, the Grid we see in the movie (as well as DDD) is actually an updated system by Flynn, CLU, and Tron. I'm assuming the original system is the Space Paranoids from the first movie (which is still different from Radiant Garden's space paranoids). If DDD's The Grid is an updated version of the original system from the 1st movie, then that does make consistent sense between what Xemnas says in DDD, and what Tron says in KH2. I was also informed that while Sora may have been in the real world, it's still probably that Riku himself was inside Sora's dreams, and thus still in Sora's dreams of The Grid. And that would actually make more sense of the Commantis that Riku alone fights.
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*Reality Shift in KH3:* Another hint that Sora and Riku may still be unchained even in KH3 is the use of Nightmare's End and Mirage Split to create the rainbow Keyblade against the Demon Tower when saving Aqua. "Reality Shift" I'm assuming in DDD is a play on the idea that dreams are just that-- dreams where reality can be bent and twisted. So the idea they still have a power like this in real world may be because they're Unchained.
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*Heartless projections:* It has now finally been confirmed in Kingdom Hearts Dark Road that the Heartless that appear before Apprentice Xehanort's experiments in Hollow Bastion are in fact projections from the Book of Prophecies.
Underrated theory channel. I love your work and I ESPECIALLY love your audio/video work! You put a lot of time and effort into it to ensure it's clear and crisp.
Wait... That third point. So even the Neoshadows in the flashback scene in BBS are just projections? It's safe to assume Heartless exist in the Dark Realm naturally, so Zero Point and 0.2 are real heartless hours, but those Neoshadows are the only Heartless in the Realm of Light in the main games chronologically.
That’s theory is wonderful
@@liamwhite3522 Neoshadows are Pureblood, they've always existed so long as Darkness has. The Neoshadows in BBS were real.
This last point brings up something interesting to me. I was going to argue that the Heartless appear not just in projected worlds but in Daybreak Town as well. But that's not JUST the Heartless. This DOES hold up because OTHR projections show up there as well- Donald, Goofy, and Mickey, in the Gummi ship. If I remember right, these were also projections from the book.
This brings something to mind. How REAL are these projections of the future? Is Data Daybreak Town a construct ALSO created by the Book and just digitized. That wouldnt be the FIRST time a book has been digitized to be projected in this canon, right?
This video really experiments with the saturation of colors, I wanted to go a "DDD hot pink, lisa frank"-esc look. But let me know if it's a miss and I will refrain from doing it again!
I like it a lot, though you could tone the saturation just a tad :)
I think it looks great!
Hey it's your videos 😄, I think you made an interesting decision. I like the nice hue, glad you are back! 😁
just looks a bit ood in the game cutscenes but the video overall looks good
it was great
That pool analogy really helped me understand what the Unchained state means. I had no idea how to visualize it before, so even if it’s just a theory for now, thank you for clearing it up!
I literally don't care what I'm doing , if secret reports drop, I'm dropping every else 😤
Amazing theory, thanks a lot for all the effort that you put into this! 💙
Thank you for all your dialogue rips, they are just so, SO, incredibly useful!!
I just want to say that your videos are simply brilliant. I don't care if your (very interesting) theories might happen to be wrong or farfetched. Your videos are done so well: The editing is awesome, you create own graphics/animations, make good use of sound effects, and the content is very structured. And most importantly, you're always factual, you use references, replay in-game dialogues, investigate deeply, include all possible possibilities, and manage to explain everything easily.
It's always a great joy to watch your videos and I really hope that your hard work will pay off one day.
Nice theory. I'm personally inclined to believe that yes, The Grid is in the real world and that Tron was mistaken.
It would be a very simple mistake on his part as well. Assuming he had data on the destruction of Radiant Garden, it's logical for him to assume that his user: Ansem/Apprentice Xehanort, destroyed the world from which the Grid was copied from.
The Grid itself is data found on a computer that exist in Sam Flynn's world, which would be the world that is actually asleep, Data cannot be put to "'sleep" as YX established, but the Grid is still attached to SF's world, in the same way Space Paranoids is attached to Hollow Bastion.
But yes, The Grid is real but is still in the Realm of Sleep because the world that Sam and his father reside from, fell to darkness, so they're possibly real too and not dreamed up versions.
Maybe The Grid is a data world, a placeholder for the original that was destroyed, but technically can't exist in the real world?
My belief is that The Grid as depicted in KH3D is generated by the dream of the world in which the ENCOM database existed, while the actual version of The Grid was created BETWEEN Ansem The Wise copying the data to create Space Paranoids and the Tron world being lost during Xehanort's rampage just prior to the events of KH1.
Only if they ever send us back to the Tron world will we see the "real" version of The Grid as defined in the KH series.
This theory has a huge potential to explain the secrets of the Keyblades, and the World of KH in general.
With the evidence provided by the Secret Reports, I believe that to be "Unchained" means to be unrestricted by the reality, you know un-chained(therefore making every Keyblade wielder already Unchained, yet conditioned to use the powers based on the rules of the World, as well as the magnitude of their belief in that power i.e the strength of their hearts). And that's a possibility, if, and only if, dreams are involved. After all, the interesting thing about dreams is that people don't believe they are real. It's silly, because you can't say that something is real, if you can't materialize it. Yet, dreams are already a part that we can't control, an a part of this World that we're experiencing frequently. They are undoubtly true, therefore they are real.
There are clues all over in regards to dreams being responsible for the fantasy of KH. Just looking at the first one, that is Sora's quote at the beginning of KH1.
"I've been having this weird thoughts lately, like...is any of this for real, or not?" is sort of implying that Sora doubts the existence of the fantastical things that are happening to him. It's unreal, as he doesn't truly believe in what he's experiencing, and it goes directly against what he's used to. No magical keys. No blocky space ship. No talking ducks.
I'm not sure, if the quote in the opening sequence of KH1 is chronologically at the beginning, or if it's something that sums up Sora's experiences after he got the Keyblade. It's important to note, because of the whole notion of precognition dreams. To that, I digress, at least for now.
Back to the topic. What breaks' Sora's perception of the World is Station of Awakening. A place now known to be situated close to the Final World, which lies "where the edges of sleep and death touch." It specifically states "awakening" and is known to be accompanied by Destati, which means "awaken" as well. A call for breaking the shackles of reality, a call to accepting the World previously thought to be fantasy. Thanks to awakening, Sora is granted the potential to use the fantasy, in a form of a Keyblade. It is not up until he snatched it from Riku, that he fully gets the benefit of it.
Could also argue, if the fact that Sora got the Keyblade, and later lost it, is due to the fact that Sora was baffled the entire time, and didn't really believe what's happening. His trust in his friends, as well as his own power was a form of acceptance of his own circumstances -- sort of anchoring him to the potential of using the power of dreams, the Keyblade.
The other evidence is the the D23 2017 trailer for KH3. There's a quote at the beginning, just before we get the first glance at the diving mechanic in KH3.
It says "Don't assume your dreams are just a fantasy. If you can imagine a World, belive in it...and dive in."
It just screams the concept of Anima Mundi here, and even alludes to the Book of Prophecies, as a tool of realizing the future, which is connected to dreams.
So, what does that mean? It means that the existence of the World is separated by how you see it, an what it can become. Both outcomes are real, and both can be real. Illusion, or a dream can become reality.
Explanation. Anima mundi is a compound of three elements. An indivisible and unchangeable substance; basically the World as it is, dreams and reality(X). A substance that is divisible and generated by material bodies; a takeaway from the unseparable amalgamation of dreams and reality(Unchained).
A third and intermediate kind of substance partaking of the nature of both the indivisible and the divisible; a cross between two that is visible and useable in its full potential(Union Cross)
They'll start at X. Awaken, and realize the power of dreams, which cross the realm of reality.
Become Unchained. Use the power of dreams. Later, directly visit the Dream, and get a feeling of the flow of things that are a fantasy. Manipulate it, as well. That'd make the Power of Waking a form of dream-reality manipulation, and explain why Yen Sid tested Sora and Riku through Sleeping World shenanigans in DDD.
And fulfill their duty through Union Cross. Unify the dreams and reality, and create a World of possibilities. Probably what happened at the end of KHUX, and what further destabilized the World that was split after the Great Keyblae War. Also something that the Master may be planning with Sora, Riku and the rest in the current saga.
Therefore, we may consequently state that: -Kingdom Hearts- this world is indeed a living being endowed with a soul and intelligence ... a single visible living entity containing all other living entities, which by their nature are all -connected- related
-Plato
Just a little note that the World here doesn't mean the planet. It means everything.
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This seems to imply that "worlds" and "realms" are a lot like quantum fields and that accessing Unchained powers is simply "phasing" into that realms' field of influence. In this case, the Keyblade is like a tuning fork made to allow unfettered access to all of reality and linked to your hearts' ability to channel it.
If so, this pretty much explains all the obscure wacky plot lines.
I'm sorry but what the hell are you even trying to say? You've typed out what is probably the longest CZcams comment I've ever read but the only thing that was effectively communicated through this acid-fueled sperg rant is the "theory" that cognition essentially dictates reality. Is that it? "Everything is real if you make it real so believe in it"? There's zero substance to saying that within the context of a universe whose metaphysical systems are as vague, obscure and seemingly inconsistent as Kingdom Hearts. It's hardly even conjecture, nothing can be corroborated, especially not on the basis of things as baseless as a line from a trailer. It's really not that complicated. Nomura isn't playing 4D chess here.
@@FarronMoon That really doesn't explain a single thing to any meaningful degree. "Anything is possible because Keyblades" is not writing, it's closer to a cop-out. All of the nonsensical plot lines and writing decisions are by all means still nonsensical and there will undoubtedly be more inconsistency and retconning in the future.
I can admit to the fact that my writing style is pretty chaotic, but I'm pretty confident I presented this idea in a very simplistic way.
To put it into perspective, what I meant was that the everything that we experience(brushing teeth, eating, watching TV), and the things that we did not(magic, mecha, meeting alien civilizations) are real, because they are an idea that already exist.
That's the collective unconscious theory of Carl Jung, mixed with innatism, empiricism and rationalism, which I believe are all equal in experiencing reality. So, cognition does not dictate reality(your idea is highly egocentric and pertains to the notion of godhood, not what I'm trying to say), its role is to discover, doubt and accept. In other words, to learn things that you do not know.
Your comment is quite biased though.
I'm pretty sure you put your own interpretation over doubt, just because you don't like something about my comment(idk, if it's because I lost your time or you're trying to unload stress, don't care).
As for the "zero substance" part. That's exactly the reason why it's a theory. I have no way of confirming what this Universe is. Just using evidence provided by quotes that are canon to explain what KH may possibly be about. I agree that Nomura's story-writing is straight garbage, but anyone can at least educate themselves on mythology or other concepts and implement them, to some degree, into their creation. Even Nomura.
He's not going to explain a lot of them anyways, since he's using references, because they are cool, not because he builds a didactive value for KH .
i love HMK & SarahKey videos but there is just something that is incredibly refreshing when you upload a video. Kinda like a professor teaching in a grad school. it's like all your videos go hand in hand with each other and i can see that you really worked hard on these videos. Because of that I am a huuuuge fan of all of your videos. Videos like yours keeps the Kingdom Hearts community very enriched. Good job! Please don't stop making high insane quality videos!
Oof, I can't watch HMK. He's very rude and completely dunks on anything and everything he hates. And doesn't leave Anything up for debate. At all. It's his way or the highway.
Like his Terra video. He was paid to say nice things for 10 minutes, accepted that, and spent the entire 10 minutes complimenting those around him. And then dragging out very superficial sentences (like his physical build and traits). Like, you really took money from a Patron and didn't even do what they requested.
SarahKey is absolutely lovely. So kind and caring and she truly cares about this series. She may not like everything about it, but she respects the game and Nomura's vision enough to not insult it. Very professional and I adore her.
7:36 A minor tidbit/correction: According to the movies, the Grid from Legacy and DDD is a second version, not the original. This lines up with Tron stating that the original System was destroyed. However, as the Grid was rebuilt/Version Upgraded by the original programmer, rather than a pirated copy like in Radiant Garden, the `Norts may not see enough of a distinction between the original and the Legacy/DDD iteration to bother bringing it up to Sora.
OOooohhhh!!!! Thank you very much for this! I love Tron Legacy but I will admit it's been a minute since I've last seen it. That's very interesting, it certainly explains WHY YX _and_ Xemnas would say what they say. Thank you again! I will write a note of this in a pinned updates comment.
Awesome video Mel, I especially like what you did with colors here!
Regarding the Grid, I think Young Xehanort didn't mean that the World was in the Realm of Light but rather that "what was happening there was real".
Space Paranoid is a program copied from the Grid by Ansem the Wise, possibly in a period in which he couldn't leave Radiant Garden (he couldn't use Corridors of Darkness and Gummi didn't exist yet), so I think that ENCOM was somewhere in the *World* Radiant Garden.
This means that if I'm right the World in which The Grid resided (= Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden) never fell into the Darkness and that Tron was right, the original program was destroyed.
So what's happening here?
What Xemnas said, "Data cannot dream", was referred to the world itself and not to Data-people (Tron has a Heart, so he probably can dream). In other words, The Grid doesn't have a Heart = it can't dream = what happens there is real. The people that Sora meet here are real people that were locked in The Grid when it was deleted from the original ENCOM system. And when the program was deleted, the Grid went into the Realm of Sleep.
I don't think EVERY data-world ever deleted/destroyed goes in the RoS but only the ones that during their demise contains people (or data-people) with Hearts. I mean, you can't just DELETE Hearts.
What do you think?
You are absolutely right in thinking that The Grid was still probably located in Radiant Garden-- something I never even considered until you and another comment here! In my head, because Sam and Flynn are so modern and technical, in my head I thought the city they live in must be some random disney world like one similar to San Fransokyo. But you're right, that doesn't make sense since Ansem the Wise can't leave his world until he becomes DiZ.
I still can't say for sure though if Tron can dream because even though Tron has _very_ probably grown a heart, his mind was still easily manipulated and recoded by CLU, showing that even if he does have a heart, he still maintains important traits of being data. Even Roxas, being a real person placed in Data Twilight Town in KH2's beginning, was still coded in not being able to say the word 'photo' and even forgot his past completely until he gradually began remembering again, ovewriting the code (like Rizler did when regaining himself with Sora).
Entertaining the idea that the Grid IS in the Realm of Sleep, then I personally assume that Sam and Quorra (Flynn's up for debate since he never left the Grid at the end of the movie) aren't actually even there, but are figments of the dream repeating itself, like Jiminy and Pinocchio were in Prankster's Paradise. That is NOT confirmed at all, but I'm only thinking so based on how they get out of the Grid at the end of Riku's route. But I do see what you mean about not being able to just delete hearts-- as if the Grid was deleted, and went to the Realm of Sleep as a result, we would have to question the state of Flynn himself.
I love how well edited these videos are. I must say you have incredible talent! Keep up the amazing content!
Loved your design choices, the saturation is perfect - it unites the art of the separate games in a very cohesive visual language. Using the guilt levels for your numbered lists was a really cute touch too! Loved the #BLM shoutout 🤜🏿🤛🏻
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I’m gonna rewatch cause there’s a lot to chew on here, and I’m distracted by Isle of Armor release XD, but a couple things I’m already thinking about:
- the fact that there are other elements related to sleeping power in kh3 like swimming, the change in Riku’s appearance, and the moments of “drop” that suggest unchained/sleeping state
- the suggestion that data cannot sleep is really interesting considering the prevalence of data worlds and projections in the fairytale time/worldline
- having sleep bleed into reality and become more prevalent/relevant seems important given chirithy’s warnings about the link between sleep and death
Another solid video. These always get me thinking. It would be so cool to discuss KH theories with you because of your perspective. Although I do have a question. If we take your theory of how the Sleeping/Unchained realm works...what state would you consider Sora to be in during the post credits scene in DDD?
Before the credits rolled, Sora used the keyblade to return to the Sleeping World of Traverse Town to thank all of the Dream Eaters. Considering that Sora was awake in his regular clothes at the time but in a sleeping world, im not sure what to make of that. I feel it opens more questions than answers.
You sound like you've seen at least multiple of my videos, but on the chance that you haven't seen the one on Sora and Riku's appearance and clothes, I talk about how I really do not think the Realm of Sleep, or Sleeping Worlds specifically, are the reasons why Sora and Riku's clothes change. If it was, then we would see Sora's clothes change every time he goes to the Station of Awakening as well. But if you watch this video, then you can see that Sora's change of clothes is because of other reasons.
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Because of this, I think Sora being in his regular clothes in Traverse Town is very normal. And even Sora visiting a sleeping world while being awake ( but the definition of that could very, as I personally would say anytime anyone visits the Realm of Sleep they fall asleep themselves ) isn't that strange since it's similar to how Sora has always visited the Station of Awakening, in KH2 when Sora fights Roxas, Donald and Goofy say Sora disappeared completely, meaning his body went TO the Station of Awakening-- in contrast to KH1, when we see Sora's body lying on the beach even though he dreams of the Station of Awakening. So it seems like you can visit the Realm of Sleep with and without your physical body leaving the Realm of Light.
The Secret Reports I have seen all of your videos. I do remember the video about Sora and Riku’s clothes. But I’m asking because we see Sora come in contact with the dream eaters at the end of DDD. Would that be an example of him in the unchained state. Your video says that because Riku was awake and he still had his dream eater powers, Riku could be considered unchained. However....for Sora at the end credits he was wearing his regular clothes and still being able to see the dream eaters(while I don’t know if he still has dream eater powers). I just found that scene interesting when I combine it with your theory.
@@Vexx109 Oooh I understand now! So I came to the conclusion ( which of course, could be an incorrect conclusion ) That Riku being a DREAM EATER changed his clothes, not Riku being the Realm of Sleep. And I also came to the conclusion that Sora being tracked by the Organization changed his clothes, not being the Realm of Sleep. So yeah once again, I think Sora being in his regular clothes, still being able to see the dream eaters, it makes sense to me personally. I hope this makes sense LOL
That last quote gave me chills. It ends your video in a conclusive, yet mysterious way and it's amazing. Fantastic work as always Mel!
Thank you!! When I realized it would end up aligning with the music too I was like "oh, fuck yeah"
The Secret Reports And that’s just one of the reasons your videos remain unparalleled to any other because you put so much effort like this into them!! Keep killin it!!
Worlds can't express how amazing your theories are, amazing job !
Brilliant video! Very thorough, good work. I've had similar hunches in the past, that as the series goes on, "sleep/dreams" increasingly bleed into "reality" - had never thought to connect that to the Unchained state. I wonder if, on some level, this relates to what's going on with future-Sora in ReMind; I know he's strictly using the Power of Waking, but his actual metaphysical form is in and out of the real world, occasionally appearing to people but then re-entering the RoS at will (his friends' Stations, Xehanort's dream Scala, the Final World); there is also seemingly a relationship here with the ability to time-hop. Possibly similar to whatever state Ephemer is in, especially in his ability to appear to Sora during the Keyblade Graveyard - possibly Ava and some of the other Dandelions, as well, though they are, apparently, not simultaneously existing in the present reality as far as we know. Xehanort is also able to hop across space and time via versions of himself as Portals, which while not the same, is similar in that it suggests free movement between "reality" and "dreams," if I understand Portals correctly. Curious as to the overarching relationship between the Unchained state, the Power of Waking, time-travel abilities, Portals, and the Final World. Quite the puzzle
I think Sora summoning his dream eaters in KH3 is him using Unchained abilities, because while the other summons do seem like elemental representations of the characters, the dream eater summon is distinctly not that. They look exactly how they do in DDD, which makes me think he’s actually summoning them
This theory does a really good job of pulling together a lot of questions we've not been able to answer otherwise; Riku and Sora's weird appearance discrepancies in DDD, the random appearance of Ephemer, the PC in KHuX, Chirithy in general, and frankly just the whole "Unchained" concept in general, which as far as I know, almost no one's been able to really explain. You've really got a knack for theory-crafting!
Literally just found your channel yesterday and I’m glad I found it :)
You gotta make more content about the series. I can see that this will be a super reliable channel for questions about Kingdom Hearts. Glad to have found this.
You go so deep into subjects I never even knew could exist! I wish all Kingdom Hearts channels could be as thorough and thoughtful! But no, you're a step ahead of the competition.
One think it think worth mentioning is that the Meow-Wow summon is the only one that doesn't have that gritty elemental texture and the only one that actually seems to make "contact" with the real world, thus the more clearly physical visual/audio effects during combat. It really could be that Soras unsteady grip on his own abilities creates an odd mish-mash of accessible powers.
All this effort makes me think of KH in a more broader sense than I would have ever thought of. I appreciate all the details you give us in these videos.
Damn, the editing skills are amazing. Awesome video😃🤩 I legit keep rewatching the introduction because the editing is amazing 🤩🤩
This is awesome. On top of all the new KH news, a Secret Reports video is a nice cherry on top.
Your videos are AMAZING in every single way. You put so much effort on them that I've never seem before.
Seriously, how are your videos always so good?
I don't think I've ever commented on a video of yours, but wow I'm always impressed with the production quality.
I think the reason Riku didn't have the sigil outfit is of a similar reason Dream Eater allies don't appear in most cutscenes in the game; Riku was in the awake Mysterious Tower, which has no threats. Most cutscenes are non-combative, so the Spirits hang out in their wielder's heart until it's time to fight.
I’m still 3/4th through the video but I must say your editing style is inspirational I like how you use tools to make steel artwork animated and your sound effects and transitions are truly incredible. I’m enjoying your theories about Tron Legacy’s The Grid being a real world. Your templates for the top of your video are also appreciated!
Thank you so much!!!! 🥺😭💖🥺💕💖😭
the quality and love you put into them is sooo good! I can watch them all over and over again, thank you so much. Colors are fine they blend in just well
your videos are extremely well produced
Good theory! The analogy of the pool and being wet was a good visual picture and totally makes sense to me 😄 I think personally I would argue for the Grid being a sleeping world as well as the unchained state being more about the presence of where that person is, but I can totally see “state” being used as like elements being in a liquid, solid, gaseous state; they still exist in the same location but are in a different state. Great to see you back with your amazing presentations and ideas!
Incredible video and really good theory. I love the way you make the videos. So professional ❤
Thanks for everthing that you do. The love that you have for Kingdom Hearts really seems to shine through every one of your videos..
why is this so well made i love it
*Nomura watching this video" ah yes, this sounds like a good explanation *makes notes*
Seriously though, it's nice having another video from you :) your voice is still the best and now you have a well researched and analysed theory? What a start into the day!
About the grid: well destiny island was technically destroyed, too or swallowed by darkness. World's can be restored especially one out of data. At least this is my guess
Wow this video is put together so well, both content-wise and the layout. Keep up the good work. Subscribed!
AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Super excited to see a new video! I'll probably comment more after I watch the full video, but I was honestly ready to scream when I saw this in my recommendations!
I think there is layers to this, what the characters believe the state of the world is and what the actual state of the world is. I think the REAL world is where Xozora goes when he wakes up, the world of Daybreak town was a dream world created using data similar to Roxas's state in KH2 and later recreated with JUST data into a Data world, the original world before it was broken up was made using the memories and stories of the children in Daybreak town/Scala As Caelum and when a virus(Darkness) damaged the world--the world became the one from KH1, the world of Darkness is the junk data of all the deleted places by darkness(not including Traverse Town which appears to be a location pulled from the world of darkness and The World That Never Was which is likely the same).
Stepping away from that theory stuff...
I think the power of waking and being unchained are the same thing, to be unchained by the system of the world requires a key to unlock it and using that logic I would assume that keyblade wielders are those who are granted status as a moderator with the ability to lock and unlock parts of the world, those that possess the X-blade are given Admin access to actually make any changes they deem necessary. Yensid once had a keyblade which may be as a mod as well, and of course Mickey Mouse who may have needed it to be King of a data version of Disney World.
I think that the Unchained State it's just what the name implies.
It's like similar to be open to a Dream state. It's be open to the connection between the worlds and transit between then. The Dream World/State is similar to get into a medidative state while being Unchained would be opening the third eye
I love this! Thank you for making these. I had never thought about them being unchained before. It would certainly explain a few things.
This theory is very interesting. I love the way you explain everything and the way you present it. Thank you so much for all your hard work on these Dream Drop Discuss videos, they have helped answer some of my questions about DDD and Kingdom hearts in general.
Where has this channel been all this time? I’ve been looking for more content like this for ages.
This was a pretty good theory, I would say that Sora is in between the unchained state it just something he can't really control since the beginning of the game started. But that is my opinion
Man these videos are *chef's kiss*
Very informative! This could have some radical implications for future KH entries if proven true, but I like those implications that I can think of so far! Thanks for uploading, & super eager to see your next!!!
In Dark Road, Young Nort and his fellow students did remark that the Heartless from KHUX were indeed projections from the Book of Prophecies with the rest of the projected worlds and characters, specifically noting that Emblem Heartless aren't supposed to exist yet, and are seen only because of the Book's projection of the future.
Yeah haha, I got lucky posting this right before DR was released in saying that haha! I would have been annoyed need to update the video last minute had DR come out before this video’s release lol. I will probably make an update pinned comment soon with that point being apart of it :)
@@TheSecretReports Neat, its pretty accurate anyway, that the Heartless are from the Book of Prophecies
Very well researched video as usual
Nice i like the opening but the unchained state is when a heart is outside of the body. The heart can move around and you can do what you need to, but your vessel is waiting for you, and sometimes your heart can be lost. This is how xehanort moves through bodies, the same with sora in Re:Mind, and of course ventus
Hi Gabriel! That is nowhere stated or confirmed that Xehanort nor Sora are 'unchained'. So far the only people who have been stated to be unchained are Player (after our first fight with Ava) and the Dandelions (one of the flashbacks between MoM and Luxu). Other than that, saying anyone else is unchained is only conjecture and not confirmed, since the term is never specifically used in any title outside of X/UX.
Mini real world grid theory in the unchainedstate theory lol loved the video you’re always so thought provoking and always have great evidence to back it up
You’re videos are amazing!!!
You’re really helping me to understand kingdom hearts
It's hard to not agree with you, your theory is very well written and i believe it to be true
Could I be so bold as to ask where you get your sound effect assets?
I don't even know what I'd do with them if I had them, but having access to all those KH sound effects seems like something very useful and fun.
A few places!
multiple KH titles (search via platform): www.sounds-resource.com/
KH1 system sounds: czcams.com/video/5SbWKhQ2wJQ/video.html
a few DDD sounds: czcams.com/video/m-HFSxFeZtQ/video.html
Man I love your design so much. So appealing :)
I still believe that summons are technically "canon". Sora is able to summon Simba in KH1. When he reaches Simba's world in KH2, Sora recognizes him as a friend who helped him in the past (KH1), he already knows Simba, so he behaves as if he actually summoned him in the previous game.
Excellent video btw! :D
The summons in KHIII are different from the ones in KH1 & II. In KH1, the summon gems were basically people who survived their world's destruction, but weren't strong enough to keep their forms (Genie and Tinkerbell are the only exceptions); thus could only appear as spirits when summoned by Sora. The summon charms in KHII just seem to pull people from their respective worlds to aid Sora (Stitch is kind of iffy since he was already in Hollow Bastion when Sora got his summon charm). The summons in KHIII seem to be more like the summons from CoM, memories of those characters given physical form, since Ariel appears as a mermaid despite having already become human at this point. Not to mention that KHIII's summons (mainly Simba, Ariel and Stitch) seem to be comprised entirely of some elemental force, when in past games they just seemed to be the normal characters.
@@thedothackerkeyblademaster Got it, thanks for the explanation :)
What an amazing well thought out theory! The way you make your videos and explain things is an inspiration! Earned my sub😁. Continue this great content and I'll know you'll make your channel known highly amongst the Kingdom Hearts Community!
Your editing is so clean omg :O
You’re back! With a fantastic theory
The way you edit your videos is beautiful
Let's also not forget that at the very end of DDD, Sora returned to Traverse Town to find a large gathering of Dream Eaters, seemingly the ones he's gained as allies throughout the game, despite Traverse Town having been woken up by now. So I think it's pretty clear that once Sora was woken up for good, he himself was Unchained. Whether or not that has any effect on how Ephemer may interact with somebody, who knows? But it's something I noticed after watching this video. Gotta love when a theory makes you think things differently. ;)
You are always on point with all these videos thank you so much for being this amazing!!!!
Beautifully made
I wonder if the concept of unchained will come back and be explored. We haven’t seen it mentioned since Unchained, so I can see it being discarded
Great theory video so much care was put into it, subbed!
Me: *watching Kingdom hearts 2020 trailer back to back to back*
CZcams: The Secret Reports Drop 3 days ago
Me: Stop watching watching the trailer, and clocks on The Secret Reports, MAD that im 3 days late O_O
So, Riku was in an unchained state because Sora was still sleeping. I think that happened because their hearts were connected with a strong bond. What if the player had a bond like that with Strelitzia??? We know that Strelitzia was very fond of the player. She may not be dead, but in a sleeping state. That would explain why the player gets drawn into the unchained state.
Hey so I’m a 26 yr old KH fan, I’ve played the game since it came out when I was a kid and I stumbled upon your channel and checked some of you videos brilliancy in these videos are incredible actually I have theories like this too but usually nobody listens to my theories and I’m usually just the crazy guy in the comment section like I think the new characters Hermod, Urd, Vor, and Bragi and xehanort’s master and Ava are stars in the final world in KH3 and I think darkness is either Brain or somebody new from dark road but I can’t wait for you next video and in the mean time I’ll just binge watch your videos
I wonder, if xehanort told that the grid was real, then maybe KHX was really on dream world, so ephemer contact they by dreams but from real world, cuz there's the discussion of then if they're on data world or real when the glitches happens in khux, so they're in real world, that's data, they traveled to data world, I mean arghh so confusing
Wow it's been a while! Great video!
I'm a simple man. Mel drops a video? I fanboy
I think that someone unchained because he entered the realm of sleep can be chained again because you enter the realm of sleep and dreams are projected through Memories of the hearts in the realm of sleep so If you made the reverse way using the chain of Memories you can re-chain the unchained
You forgot to point out the secret ending of DDD where Sora retains his KH2 outfit and visits the real version of Traverse Town to reunite with his...surprisingly big amount of dream eaters(Seriously, Sora, how long were you in the Sleeping Worlds to get all those dream eaters?!)
These videos are beautifully (and feel lovingly) edited...
And they make me feel in touch with the energies that drew me to KH in the first place ✨
I've really grown apart from the series over the years (especially with III) due to the hyper-commercialization and what felt to me like frustratingly poor writing and one dimensional characters 😞
As long as there're analysts, essayists, and deep-fans holding the torch like yourself however, I'd like to re-immerse myself in the series and try to find what I love about it, making it my own again 💜
Thank you 🙂
Have you ever stopped to think that Sora might still be in an unchained state? Because we see him at the end of DDD, in Traverse Town, in his KH2 design, with his Dream Eaters.
Scorchlette Hi! In my Sleeping Keyholes video, I imply that Traverse Town at the end of DDD may still be a dream version since Sora entered it via a Sleeping Keyhole from the Mysterious Tower. Hope that helps!
Oh shit- that's actually a good point I completely forgot about that.
Here's something I still don't understand. How does this relate to the datascape of Data Daybreak Town. The way Ava and others talk about the Unchained state makes it seem like THATS the way the Dandelions enter the digital town.
My thoughts are that Data Daybreak Town is somehow a data world that combines itself with the Realm of Sleep. This might explain why the Dandelions and Chirithies are then able to combine into Dream Eaters as the program shuts down. They simply slip away into the Realm of Sleep.
I feel like a datascape combined with a Sleeping World might even be precedented if The Grid is anything to go by- But this all hinges, of course, on Xehanort being wrong that data doesn't 'dream.' Perhaps something like Tron or Data Daybreak Town, is something different from either dreams or datascapes on their own. Perhaps this is what an 'Unchained' Realm is. This would be consistent with Ava and others in KHUx talking about Data Daybreak Town not just as a data projection but as if it's a complete alternate dimension.
I feel like I'm talking gibberish at this point. Does ANY of this make sense?...
you really put a lot of effort in your videos and i really like your voice, hope to see more of them, about the unchained state: what if it's affected by external factors Like, if we say, that the unchained state can be achieved by entering the RoS, sora should be in the unchained state since from the first kh, but as we see, he soon get attacked by heartless etc... that's because he doesn't know about the "unchained form" so he can't use it, once sora start his training he recognize this new power and use it, riku does the same and knowing that, he remain in the unchained state until he get back to yen sid's tower "escaping" from sora's dream and that's why he get his normal aesthetic, we also see sora going to traverse town and summoning all the dream eaters. I know it doesn't make a lot of sense, but i'm pretty sure all these plot holes are in there because nomura like to change too much things.
Hi Francesco! You've mentioned a couple things I've explored in previous videos of Dream Drop Discuss, so if you haven't yet, I really suggest checking out the entire playlist. It may answer any questions you have so far and address what you consider to be plot holes :)
Such quality 🙌🏿 appreciate your work
I love how you use in game graphics to show stuff, like how you used the World Map images of TWTNW and The Grid when you summarized when Sora and Riku were in the Realm of Light (awake world).
Love your videos great job
Crazy theory.... i think Skuld might be Ava. We never see Avas face. And there are no scenes in union cross with both Ava and skuld in them together. She coupd be infilteating the dandelions to change the masters plans. This would also end the debate of "subject x", since both ava and skuld would be correct. She could wven also be darkness, symbolized by her white and pink forteller outfit changing into the dark black skuld outfit. When she found out the masters plan, and that she had a hand in it, it could of opened her heart to darkness and shes using thay to tey to stop the master.
I just really don't think Ava is Subject X, because of the Epilogue. Xigbar saying "I guess Ava didn't make it after all" and "I told her, clear as day, what it is I had to do" implies that Ava would indeed know that Luxu's summoning the Foretellers. But Subject X in her entry barely remembers her "four friends" -and if Subject X was Ava, and her "four friends" were the Foretellers, and Xigbar told Ava he would summon the Foretellers, then Subject X would have stated so in her entry. But Subject X made no mention of her "four friends" being summoned in her entry. So one can ask, well maybe Luxu told Ava that BEFORE she lost her memories. But then Xigbar in the Epilogue would KNOW Ava lost her memories and wouldn't come to the reunion anyway because Xigbar carried Subject X away from Ansem the Wise's lab. So Ava being Subject X just doesn't make sense because Subject X's entry and Xigbar's lines in the epilogue don't line up.
SO because of that, we can be sure that if Ava isn't Subject X, then that leaves only Skuld to be Subject X. And this also means that Ava and Skuld are indeed two different people.
I don't know if you'll read this, but: how do you think the ending of KHUX (the dream eaters part) afect this theory? Do you think it kinda needs an update? Thanks in advance.
Edit: okay, I also think the Ephemer part may be diferent. I really like this theory and come back time to time, sorry.
Hi! I think this is a great question, and I would like to give a new “updates” pinned comment on all, if not most, DDDiscuss videos now that KHUX is over. In a way, I dont think the ending contradicts this theory, but I dont know if it goes out of its way to support it either. To me personally, this theory is still just “possible” like it was before KHUX’s finale.
The only particular point I feel the need to make is to remind people that the dream eaters we use in our DDD party are still created from dream pieces and recipes, so I don’t think Sora and Riku fought along side Chirithies or Dandelions in DDD, personally.
I do think that it was the bridge though, and that its possible in KH3 that the spirits Sora summons are dandelions, since I personally think Sora leaving between DDD and 0.2, Sora getting the dream eater heartbinder, and Sora talking to Ephemer are all connected. Especially since Sora never said anything like “wait, who are you??” to Ephemer, I think there’s a chance they’ve met before. But thats just me personally, I dont have anything to back that up LOL
(great coloring in the clips!!)
This channel is so great and underrated
Well for the Grid Discussion, in Tron Lore Flynn destroys the OG World and remakes it only bringing Tron over. This what Tron said in II and the Grid being Real in DDD are both correct.
Thank you very much for letting me know! You and another comment mention this and it makes things make a LOT more sense. I will write about this in an pinned update comment!
Quick question, it seemed you assumed that the data worlds in KHUX were not in the realm of sleep but I was under the impression that entirety of KHUX occurs in the realm of sleep, with the data worlds existing as a loophole so the worlds would seem to continue instead of endlessly looping.
On the other hand maybe I missed some big story elements because that would make Game Central Station connecting to Data Daybreak Town much more of an anomaly.
It has never been confirmed that KHUX occurs in the realm of sleep, so I do not know how you came to this impression, sorry! You may be thinking about Ava giving her speech to the dandelions where she said the training would take place in the Realm of Sleep ("Today you're here to continue with your training for our mission. This
session may seem like it's familiar to you, but in a world that is different, one made of dreams.") However, that was TRAINING, and the actual execution was during the scene that Ephemer and Skuld came to Player at the end of the Keyblade War. I will admit that other than a bright flash of light, how the Dandelions actually ENTERED the data worlds is a mystery (especially since they did not know they were in a data world until much later in KHUX's story). Even in very expositional scenes, like the MoM talking to Luxu in Quest 910, MoM never states that the Dandelions would enter the Realm of Sleep after the war.
Amazing theory. Now I kinda wonder if Sora going to the final world and/or what he did their helped him be unchained in order to talk to ephemer. Would explain why things were differnt the second time as well. Chirithy in the final world does say the realm of death and sleep touch or something like that.
It seems odd to me that Data can't dream though. Data has light, darkness, and hearts. Why can't a Data world dream. But I can't deny you're evidence that it's a real world is more compelling than not.
Once again, lovely gorgeous video as always
Onto the problem i may have about the theory now, about the dream eaters, so
Ive noticed one of your main point here was to come to the conclusion that dream eaters, mainly the ones from ddd, cannot exist in the real world, and tried to explain the moments where they are in it as exceptions and such.
And you were doing a very good job with it, but i realized something when you brought up the pet spirits.
We were never... Given a confirmation that dream eaters can naturally be born naturally from dreams, like from yen sid at the start of ddd. Which is what i assume you were considering dark chirithy and ddd's spirits to be.
But.. They arent really. At least, not ddd's! Just like chirithy and the pets, they also need a recipe, and materials! Sora and riku may not used a bottle, but they are still only artificially created.
Ive just rewatched all the cutscenes where it appears, and the dark chirithy sure seem to know an awful lot about the master of masters' intention and how he used them. They do say they were born by the player's darkness, but even before that, originally, they were a normal actual chirithy, when we see them in the cutscenes, which slowly turned dark. They may even have been the one that faked to be the player's chirithy who gave them the bangle as well, that would make chirithy's reaction when they first see the other chirithy more believable, they arent as surprised as they would be, they noticed them giving the bangle. It clearly goes through a corruption caused by the darkness of the player caused by the guilt, in that sense "born from their darkness".
The clear thing that differentiates the chirithies from all the other spirits is really, just the fact that Chirithies, as they were made by the master, have way more powers than normal spirits, and can talk.
As a side not, i would rule out the dream eaters in kh3 as not being summoned the same elemental way as the other disney summons, since they are notably the only one that look exactly like they did in ddd.
So i do believe, from all of this, dream eaters arent really limited to live in the dream world, but can exist no problem in the real world, it would simplify the situation in general too.
This fortunately doesnt seem to go against the rest of the unchained discussion, although i was hoping you could try giving your personal shot at the ither oddities going on with the characters of kh3, like riku changing hair after the bizzare "dream drop", the union keyblade and link block being used and stuff like those.
Joshua says to Riku, _"Why don't we give your dreams shape? In this world, they take form as dream eaters."_ This is where I get the foundation that spirits (at least those in DDD) typically are from a specific person.
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I imagine when he says "this world" he means a Sleeping Traverse Town (or a Sleeping world in general), as he later says _"Imagine my surprise, when I found out dreams take physical form in this world"_ when talking about the TWEWY gang right before Sora and Riku unlock Traverse Town for the first time.
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I can you see with the "the 2nd Chirithy may be the one giving the bangle"! Someone else asked me "where do you think the bangles came from?" and I absolutely think the bangles are directly from the MoM, since Ira in back cover (when talking about the dark Chirithy) says he and the others don't concern themselves with the tools at the wielders disposal, so I could easily imagine it was the MoM himself who distributed the bangles among Chirithies, and may have purposely given 1 to our 2nd chirithy rather than our first. Either way, I do think that 2nd Chirithy was born from our Player's dreams, since they show up after our character is in the Station of Awakening (when we choose our unions starting the game; it's not on the story quest list in UX unfortunately so we only see the scene once).
Also I think Riku getting his hair changed is only as strange as when Mickey loses his shirt in 0.2-- both are causes by a Demon Tower, so I think while they're both... really weird, I personally don't think Riku's hair has anything to do with the Realm of Sleep or being unchained.
I will say I *COMPLETELY* forgot about the rainbow keyblade (and link block) in KH3! I personally think that only emphasizes _more_ that Sora and Riku could _still_ be unchained, if Reality Shift is truly a power only associated with dreams. I want to say that the case is stronger for the Keyblade more then the Link block, only because the Keyblade is associated with Reality Shift, while the link guard seems to only be a standard move that Sora can learn (though it does power up Dream Eaters in gameplay, so maybe it IS associated with sleeping as well).
@@TheSecretReports i see, but honestly, the Joshua dialogue REALLY does sound like all of those are just HIS suppositions based on his direct observations, he doesnt really know exactly how all of this dream stuff work. He says, imagine my surprise, and all of that. Especially because there he was referring to the fact neku and the gang's actual dream took shape as themselves, not really the dream eaters.
Even later in ddd he does realize he made various mistakes in his observations since he really had 0 clues or knowledge about how the dream world works.
He arrived in this weird place populated by these beings, i would assume that as well, before further investigations that they are animated pieces of material that someone or something mixed up.
The clear cut explanation so far as to dream eaters being made is just from mom creating them in the lab or recipes.
Otherwise there would be more weird confusing stuff, like if that second chirithy was made naturally, does that mean all the other wielders had a second chirithy(which doesnt seem to be the case in back cover and chi) ? Why doesnt sora, riku, kairi have one? Are they just for wielders, people who go to the sleeping realm, or anyone that dreams? It seems a bit bizzare, especially when the dream eater created isnt even a simple one like ddd's, but a chirithy even, which really seem exclusive to mom, made by him with no natural observations of similar stuff beforehand. Ava and everyone didnt know what those were, mom had to explain it to them. Same for spirits, they didnt exist at all before MoM made Chirithies out of nothing, since they are based on Chirithies, while dreams and sleeping realm was very much a thing beforehand.
Hi, Mel! First of all, I LOVE your videos. I've always been frustrated by other videos who put their own interpretations without saying why they think the way they do, so thank you! I have been rewatching all of your videos, and I had a couple of questions. Note: I do not at all want to act like I'm an immovable force on KH lore. I'm just a curious fan!
Statement/Question 1:
I may be late to the game, but I have been on board the "Ava is Darkness" boat ever since I first heard about it. In your video, "Ava is incognito as Darkness", you mention how Luxu had to transfer his heart from vessel to vessel for all of those centuries and that Ava is possibly hiding in the Realm of Darkness. It seems that whenever Luxu transfers his heart to another vessel, he retains all of his memories and powers. Is it possible that Ava can do this as well. I strongly believe that Ava is Darkness, but this could also explain why we haven't seen Ava after all these years, and possibly why she wasn't summoned back at the end of KH3 as you said. Because she didn't need to be brought back with the other Foretellers. She is already alive, and watching from a distance or maybe even from up close. Because if she transferred her heart to new vessels like Luxu, she would also retain her power of illusion as well and be able to take on a new persona to stay hidden if necessary.
Statement/Question 2:
In your video on the Sleeping Keyholes, you mentioned a couple different ways that there are more than 7 sleeping keyholes. However, is it possible that there really are only 7 sleeping keyholes. Each one tied to a different Guardian of Light? For instance throughout DDD, every time sora/riku locked or unlocked a sleeping keyhole it was the same keyhole, but it is tied to them. Almost like the keyhole itself, which again is tied to each guardian of light, is part of the key to awaken the sleeping world/sleeping heart. Then each Guardian can learn to facilitate travel between sleeping worlds, between the sleeping world and the real world, and into sleeping hearts to awaken them using the sleeping keyholes power if they gained the Power of Waking. This would mean that there are actually 7 sleeping keyholes, while still allowing much of your extremely well thought out theories remain true and also giving truth to the statements about sleeping keyholes that Yen Sid makes.
I hope these questions make sense!
Me watching this video pretending I can follow everything you are explaining so well
Also me: OK I believe you!
There's a hidden mickey at 7:07
"Look, a lucky emblem!"
Heya~ This is just something j wanted to leave here for...discussion thinking or whatever. It's something I wrote in my party chat for KHUx as I got thinking about stuff. Just know some of it may be answered as I barely remember stuff from interview videos that discuss the Utimania. Anyways here it is:
"Also something I realized as a theory. What if the "X" symbol belongs to someone else. We the fans knew the X symbol belongs to anyone that is affected by Xehanort. But if you think about it, before he knew of time travel how would he know what/(about) the sigil? And how would he place it on people's clothing that would be otherwise out of place. Unless people saw it as an aesthetic design or it something reminiscent of the old culture or something. Otherwise it's out of place. Anyways my point is what if the "X" symbol belongs to Darkness or any ancient evil of darkness? Basically anything before MoM. But that leaves that one problem. How was it before the MoM came to be. And what was the most ancient keyblade war about. And what was the reason for it? Good and evil? Opposing views? It's that one piece of the very beginning or the genesis of the KH universe that we're losing that gives us the very foundation of a context clue of why everything is happening in Sora's timeline.
But then again there's the technical FF univeese now, so I wonder how that plays out. And how it makes sense for the KH universe. Unless it's a shared universe. But I'm going with the 2 different universes idea just in case. Because MoM is (in) Shibuya/Yorzora's world. An if it's 2 different universes, are we going to get that context clue of how everything started? And another thing. What exactly are Keyblades and why are they sentient in a sense? Why do they exist? Why can they choose their master regardless if they turn out evil? This reminds me of my story idea(s)of sentient swords/weapons of why they exist and why they have intelligence to communicate with their chosen wielder. Then again that concept isn't new.
But now I got myself thinking now~ What exactly are Keyblades. Are they created or forged weapons that someone special made that might have divinity and thus they have intelligence to choose their master. Or they always around, but dormant till humanity came into existence. But why would they exist then. Arrghhh! I hope Nomura answers these questions! I really got myself thinking now of these concepts and theories!
I edit in the () as add-ons to my incorrect grammar structure. That or sentence structure. Anyways, I tend to think about these kind of things, especially when I'm creative thinking for creative writing. Although I have the Nomura kind of writing as I don't like to kill off my characters permanently as I want to use them later in the future for my huge cross-over universe that I call the Fan Fiction Universe, due to me crossing stories with new or existing characters for the story idea. And when I'm done with those characters, I tend to ad them to the bigger plan of said universe~ Heck I even created arcs that revolve around a universes tournament of which character will end up winning bragging rights if being the strongest being. Of course there's more to it and in said tournament, no one can does it's just video game mechanics when they fight. Which doesn't translate well into books, but I'll figure it out~ otherwise, everything is just head cannon so far~
Other than that, anyone got anything similar to what I thought of or their own theories and ideas they want to share? I known I should put this stuff in a forum on Kh13.com or something. But I lack the means to make that easier for me.
Really nice channel I enjoy your video theories I hope you make more videos soon keep it up I like the intro 👍🏿💕🥰
Okay 2 things to say about this:
1: I think the DE not apearing on cutscenes is just because some of them are so big and others are so small that they could give problems. Also since they don't have the same animations, it would be really dificult (and very storage expensive since 3ds could only handle 4gb games) to have them in scenes.
2: The problem with The Grid is that Riku and Sora really have diferent adventures in theyr time there. This can easly be solved since Riku is not in the real world, but in Sora's dream of that real world, right?
Right I see you with the dream eater thing. But it still only emphasizes the idea that there are scenes where Riku should still have Dream Eaters around, even in the real world.
And with the Grid, I also see you. But their stories never actually align, so they go to the same places, but it's at different times, and that could explain why we never see them together IF the Grid is a real world after all. I double checked both Sora and Riku's cutscenes before replying just to make sure ;)
Keep the good job as always!
Thank you for the video! This is really cleverly articulated. I like the tie-ins to the Grid and to KH3. I don't think it makes sense, though, that heartless and nobodies cannot "detect" someone who is unchained. This (1) is incongruent with Player fighting heartless after becoming unchained, though this could be explained by BoP/Data boondoggle; and (2) obviously runs afoul of your notion that Sora may be unchained in KH3. So, I think it may be simple enough to say that TWTNW was "cleared out" or abandoned after the events of KH2. Besides, Riku sees nobodies just prior to the YMX fight.
One more unexplained event that points toward Sora (and Riku) being unchained in KH3 is the reality shift in the Realm of Darkness. There could be something unique about the RoD which aligns it more closely to the Realm of Sleep (like the Final World), but I can't recall any evidence we have of that.
Thanks! This is good food for thought, and looking forward to the next series. And the saturation is very good.
The reality shift is an ability they learnt from being in the realm of sleep
@@gracekim25 that's right Grace.
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Great video 👍
I love the colors omg