Living with an EV for a week didn't go well !!! [AUDI e-tron]
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- čas přidán 30. 05. 2019
- Thanks to Audi UK I had the chance to live with their stunning new e-tron. I had lots of plans for the week and hoped to take you along for the ride during a typical week for me as a CZcamsr...I didn't work out that way !!
The car itself is truly impressive but what gave me the biggest challenge was charging infrastructure. If the UK government want us all to be driving electric or hybrid cars in the next 20-30 years we have a lot of work to do !
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I ran out of fuel in an ICE car because I didn’t check the fuel gauge. Living with an ICE car for a week didn’t go well !!!
Did you forget how to put in the fuel nozzle too?
Such a shame these ICE cars get such low mileage.
Hector Andem ‘I walked away and came back and found petrol all over the floor. My cigarette fell out of my mouth I was so surprised’.
The person who can’t remember to plug in their electric car every night is the same person who runs out of petrol on the motorway and buys fuel 5 pounds at a time. They don’t ever learn.
I would say if you have 30 grand so spend on a EV you would also have more than 5 pounds in your pocket to buy fuel for your other car, what a very silly childish comparison.
@@robbeard6929 Never think you know better... you'd be amazed how stupid are some !
@@voldar70 To be honest I don't get that.
Not up to your normal standards.
You left the car at home for a day and didn’t plug it in, then you complained about going to search for a charger?
ABC of electric car ownership. Always be charging.
Even if he did plug it in, no way he'd have had the juice for the mclaren trip anyway.
Chris Holloway , and your maths behind that would be? On a standard EV Home Charger the I-Pace adds around 8% of range per hour.
John W just a hunch. I don't think it'll ever give you the quoted range it says, so you'd want a bit in reserve.
Chris Holloway. I own an I-Pace. I easily achieve 250 miles range in the winter. As the weather is warming up I have now made a 282 mile journey on a single charge.
The eTron is known to be around 10% less efficient than the I-Pace. As such, it would have been possible (in my opinion) for the car to have allowed PP to do his trips if he had bothered to ensure he has plugged the car in properly. This is an easy thing to check as the car comes with an App that you can monitor charging on. None of this is rocket science, it is just a learning and understanding process that anyone new to EVs has to go through. Don’t let a video like this taint your idea of what ownership of an EV is like.
Try and get a test drive. Certainly your local Jaguar Dealer would be happy to let you have one. You might be more surprised than you think.
No, you don't need to plan. Your 3 trips that week were all within the range of that car. You had 0 planning for that and it was possible even on the plug you had if only you had plugged in the car the evening before your second trip. And while being on location, have a look if there are any chargers nearby that can even help you out further. The reason you didn't do that on your first trip was because you said to yourself: plenty of range left. When you own a plug-in car, think about the ABC: Always Be Charging.
You also mentioned multiple times how Tesla has its charging infrastructure in order. My question then becomes: how far is the nearest supercharger from your location?
And remember that fast/super charging is only there for long trips. Your primary charging source has to be your home plug. Otherwise, it would simply be too damn expensive.
Hans So, actually, you do need to plan then? Say his first trip was twice the length in the video, he would have (maybe) just had enough to get back home. At which point, with his 3 pin charger, it would have taken him 40 hours plus to fully charge the vehicle again. This would have meant he would not have been able to make his day 2 journey.
If this was the case, he absolutely would have had to plan, otherwise he could have been left without transportation for a whole day. In this video he has brilliantly highlighted the biggest issue with ev’s in today’s market and it’s an issue that people all too often overlook.
@@lewishill87 the first trip was the one he did, so no issue there. His second trip was in total twice the range left in the car, but only because he didn't charge the car. Had he plugged it in correctly he wouldn't have had an issue. Of the 3 trips he was planning to do, none were out of reach for a fully charged car.
Hans I acknowledged that and yes, he should have made sure it was plugged in properly. However, using my example, whether he had plugged it in properly or not if the first journey was twice the distance he would have been stuck at home for day 2. He conveyed in his video the issue with constantly having to prepare and plan for journeys and that for some people that just isn’t practical.
@@lewishill87 In the hypothetical case his first journey was twice the distance it still wouldn't have been a real issue. He probably would have had to look for a destination charger to make sure he got home all right but since his second trip was only 2 days later, the car would have had time enough to go back to 100% even if the battery was almost depleted when parking it in the evening, but you have to plug the damn thing in.
Real planning with an EV comes into play when your drive goes far beyond the range of your battery. Let's say you want to do a 250 mile drive in a car that will only do 200 miles. Does that require a lot of planning? Not really. You know you'll only need 1 stop, preferably between the 150 and 200 mile mark.
Wanna go further than that? Let's say 800 miles? Make sure you get the right app or website, plug in your start point and destination and it will offer you all you need to know. An ever improving service for this is abetterrouteplanner.com . Select your car type and it takes everything into account, including elevation and if you give the right parameters it can even account for the weather. It will tell you how long to drive, how many stops, where to stop and all you have to do is leave on time and make sure you have an app with you to find available, working alternative chargers in case there is an issue with the one abrp suggested.
When people start saying things like you need to plan, they make it sound like you need to be a rocket scientist. No, most people don't need to plan most trips and when planning is required, they simply need to put some details in an app or website that will do the work for them.
Tesla have Superchargers at Havant, Sutton Scotney and Liphook, The nearest some 10 miles from Chichester.
Millions in the UK live in terraced houses with no off road parking, like me. For us I cant see an EV ever being an option
...and for tens of millions in the U.S. too, who live in apartments, townhouses and condominiums with no garage parking.
Very true, a potentially big problem down line line 👍
Peasant. Just make sure you know where all your local chargers are and you'll be fine.
This is where the Public Charging Infrastructure comes into play, you would simply need to find a Public charging station once a week and charge up your EV. It would not be much different than you currently do for your Petrol car. Additionally, workplaces and car parks will eventually install charging stations for those who don't have the option of home charging. It will take time, but EV chargers will eventually become more commonplace than existing Petrol stations.
@@zoidburg2975 There going to have to be a lot more numerous than they are now....scumbag
Watched this whilst having my breakfast and coffee. This is more like an awareness video. Chances are many people who have little experience when it comes to EV cars, can run into the same problem as well. The whole planning ahead and charging infrastructure when it comes to EV cars is something I'll be considering when buying an electric car. You made the mistake so we can learn from it. Thx for the video.
Thank you. That is great to hear and one of the reasons I made the video 👍
This reminds me of:
"I'm sure in 1985, plutonium is available at every corner drugstore, but in 1955 it's a little hard to come by." - Dr. Emmett Brown:
'if you don't plan for an EV you are stuffed' that is the killer fact. Enjoyable vid Pete, good seeing your work, great watching your EV adventures
Roger Bailey agreed. I’ve watched several “Tesla road trip” videos and the overriding obsession is to drive from supercharger to supercharger putting in, what the computer calculates, is enough charge to get to the next supercharger. I couldn’t live like that. The anxiety, the wasted time, the wasted miles going out of your way… My car will do 800 miles on a tank on the motorway. No range anxiety in this lad 😂
Thanks Roger. Planning is everything 😬
yes it is hard to put a plug in a socket
Roger your a sensible bloke knows about cars & an electrical engineer so how many extra power stations, cable rewiring etc is needed in the near future
You are a clot for not making sure it was not plugged in correctly!
or perhaps this was an anti ev video ... notice when he says doh i did not plug it in correctly i will use it tomorrow he still did not plug it in...
@@teslatrev5764 No, he realized it wasn't plugged in and charging the NEXT morning, when he was about to use it.
@@billcichoke2534 yes when he realised it was not plugged in the obvious thing to do was to plug it in while he used his fossil car ...
Why would he make sure it was not plugged in correctly?
@@Mrtweet81 To all replies....and what happens if you do forget to plug it in or make mistakes? You get up in the morning and look at the battery level and you think, oh bugger! You are catching a ferry to France, you have a hospital appointment, etc, etc, the list is endless, go on, I'm all ears.
Can you post a link to the video where you first drove a petrol car and also happened to forget to make sure the petrol pump was inserted properly when you filled it up? You know the one where you covered the forecourt floor in 50 litres of unleaded and then later concluded that the car you were driving had poor range.
Nurton83 could you make a video of how you do your “man” buns and prepare your tofu?
I made a long posts in reply to another comment but just wanted to comment on one thing you said in the video. Please remember, once you have a home charger installed, you won’t care if the nearest charger is 30 miles away. Close to home is not where you need rapid chargers to be. Was a good video, and many of your points are valid, but most of your issues would have been non-issues if a) you had a home charger and b) you actually plugged the car in!!! 😆 I know you yourself did make that point but as someone who recently made the switch, I get it worth emphasising. I’m surprised at how easy the change was. Didn’t require much of a change, and in fact it made life easier in many ways.
Correct the expert: your charging/range issue is not “an EV problem” your problem is limited to that Audi eTron.
I’m a London Cabbie and the Government is desperate to force us into hugely expensive Electric cabs with an appalling infrastructure, no thanks, I’m going to keep my smelly diesel for as long as I can.
(The new TXe only has a 50 Mile range)
As long as you put the exhaust pipe in front of a driver in a cab itself we are good.
x Peryskop who’s we?
"Plan ahead with an EV and you will be fine" FFS check you plugged it in correctly and you would also be fine......
I thought I had, honestly still not sure what went wrong as I didn't do anything different from the other times I charged it. Just one of those things 😥
@@PetrolPed Honestly mate , I've had a leaf 30 and now have a leaf 40 kWh . Never ran out in 2yrs used the three pin charger for six months. I'm thinking that this was deliberately done. I'm fed up of journo,s doing these reviews who do no planning and don't even do any research before buying an EV. Then complain . I get exasperated with your antics.
Petrol Ped
I had a i-pace for a few days, had the same problem. Plug it in, see the lights, walk away and come back to find you're in the same situation as when you left.
Basically whilst it was charging you had to be there to confirm it stays that way.
Paul Carnall did you watch the video?
You didn't plug the damn thing in properly, do not blame it on poor planning, my god.
Point is, with and EV you cannot forget. Unlike Petrol vehicles, someone used it and forgot to fill it up, no worries, just fill it on the way, just a few minute deviation.
You or someone forgets to plug it (like a teenage child) because they came in at 4am in the morning and the next person using it (for work) is screwed.
@@crxdelsolsir - no worries, the general population can easily be indoctrinated to accept this technology in lieu of old fashioned fossil combustion engines. Some slick advertising, the necessary gov't mandates, maybe perfunctory tax breaks ... the future is electric.
John Gagnon when you charge your phone you make sure it is charging, he doesn’t think it is different..
@@crxdelsolsir Unless you work at 200 miles away from home, nothing is impossible. Just plug it in for 15 mins on a L3 and you can make it to work.
Now try and get a week with Kona, E Niro or Model 3. They are more efficient and fit into parking bays better. Easier to live with and more forgiving when forgetting to plug in. Oh and cheaper.
Yes! Model 3 for the win.
Jonathan Meazza 😂🤮🤮🤮🤮
For EVs to be practical we need to be able to charge at the same speed as filling up a petrol car, say 5 minutes charge for a range of 500 miles (like my current car). Thank you to all you early adopters but UK not ready for mass EV usage yet.
100% Agree!! If car manufacturers want us to transition to EV's, it HAS to be a complete "apples to apples", "oranges to oranges" lateral transition, with no drawbacks or inconveniences. Price, range and 'refuel' time all have to be the same as ICE vehicles, otherwise the general consumerate is not going to switch powertrains just to have a horrible, lesser, more troublesome experience. Nope...
@@jaroessa294 Agreed Elon knows better than most that disruptive digital technology only works well when it transitions seamlessly into the users life adding real VALUE.... currently it's just to disruptive and people won't engage with disruption if it's going to create friction and minimal VALUE. Right now I think his main interest is to extend life on our planet with E'Vs while he find's a new home for us to live on like Mars. .. :-)
Won't happen... well it can't for the foreseeable future. Due to physics of heat generation to charging rate and energy density.
EVs are still in the hands of enthusiasts and there are issues, imagine when those that can't be bothered to but their phone down start operating them.
@@bowez9 You are right, which is why most people will hang back until they are nearer to ICE in usage.
@@CliffDaviszootour Yep, people will just hang back, as Cliff said. And that is already being seen here in the U.S. In 2018, all of the EV auto sales only totaled ~2%, 98% of consumers snubbed EV's as they still preferred an ICE vehicle for their primary source of transportation. And according to industry analysts, 2019 will also come in at 2% for EV sales, even possibly lower, as the fat gov't tax-incentive goes bye-bye.
You didn't plug the car in stop being silly.
Had he plugged it in correctly, he would have had 15h of charging. With 6 miles per hour that would have given him 90 miles, plenty to make it there and back again. And this is exactly how people are getting talked out of buying an EV. Spreading misinformation. He talked for minutes about how this is impractical but only spend 10 seconds on correcting his mistake.
@@Hans-gb4mv The other thing is when he didn't take the car for the day he didn't seem to leave it charging then either. Seems he's using lack of planning as a synonym for pure stupidity.
@@lozzamanuk He's another anti EV knob head . Before I bought my leaf I did loadsa research so knew where all the chargers were and had all the apps I needed.
@@paulcarnall791 He said the EV was great and thinks other EV's are also good, so how does that make him an "anti EV knob head" ?
Hans so, what do you do when you decide to make a detour ?
Or when you have to make a detour ?
Do you push the rest home ?
He has a point be saying that the infrastructura is not yet enough.
Same here in Belgium.
Also for the enviroment am not sure that these cars are better than petrol or diesel, Co neutral is more than just driving electric.
if you had plugged in there would be no problem .....
And if you brought Japanese you would not even need a plug to charge it. You have all been fed German, German and German for years, when the best cars in the World actually come from Japan and when you consider EV cars, Japan is so far ahead, even over Tesla that it is a no brainer when buying an electric car, there is only one country that does them properly and have self-charging ability. That is not Germany, certainly is not America but Japan are the ones who are ahead with EV. Look outside that box to see where the best vehicles are made these days.
@@KiwiGraggle Japanese EV car?
Do you mean the old rav 4 thing?
@@joneirikfardal5826 I think he means the 'self charging electric" from Toyota :') Which is just a hybrid and you fuel them with petrol so it can charge a battery. Great tech.. /s. Also from the comments he makes he is just an anti EV guy.
@@KiwiGraggle Actually I'm just a IT specialist who drives an I-pace and I'm from Belgium. The I-pace which is not the best Ev but nonetheless a great car and in terms of quality far above Tesla. I do longer distance to the south part of Germany/France or up north to Sweden/norway. And with the networks that are available in those countries I have not a problem getting where I need to be on time. And I don't leave earlier than I did driving my previous diesel car. Ionity, Fastned and many others are available to me to use. And you start calling names which is not a good behaviour. If this person who lives in the Uk and not Australia, had plugged it in he could have driving to where he needed to be. Or go already and use a fast charger while having a coffee. Last autumn we went to St Davids in Wales without any problem from Luxembourg. Wonderfull drive.
@@KiwiGraggle You idiot, Self charging is a marketing scam. All EVs are charge themselves with regeneration when slowing down or going downhill. Toyota Hybrid "self charging" use a petrol engine fitted in the car to self charge!! you still have to fuel the car with petrol. Are you this reviewers brother?
Thats nonsense you hadn’t enough charge in your car, not through any lack of planning but because you hadn’t plugged it in properly. That’s not anything to do with planning it was down to you being careless. If you’d fill a diesel car with petrol, I’ve done that🤭 you’d be equally stuffed. At least you can go and rapid charge for 10 minutes to get out of trouble. Try doing that if you make a mistake with your ice car.
Completely agree with you Colin.
You nailed it!
The car is used completely unprepared.
Making beginner mistakes is not a fault of the car............
RVO nah 200miles tops is what people are getting on a full charge in real world driving which is still not very practical, factor in cold weather conditions,rain, or heavy traffic hot weather +air conditioning that will tumble
Colin. You do not get it......the problem is how you have to change and be prepared rather than the flexible possibilities that the fuel concept provide. There are so many issues and wasted time used to plan with Electric concept rather than just go....I would prefer Hydrogen.....
Kim Christofte
Good luck in finding a hydrogen station! What planning is there to plugging the car in to a 7 kWh home charger. The only thing that I would agree with you on is if you arrive home with a depleted battery and need to go out in an emergency on a long run, but how often is that? However at the moment an electric car isn’t for everyone I can understand that, but the future is electric ⚡️👍
this is silly, it is like testing a ICE with a 5 litre can of fuel....and saying it did not go well... well duh!
At least you can carry a spare can of fuel in the boot, you cannot keep a spare can of electric can you?
@@robbeard6929 This only if you are smart enough to remember to get one. From what I see, this dude is not able to this task.
Rob Beard I have a “spare” battery pack in my backpack that can jumpstart a car, run/charge my laptop, and phone. Oh and there’s companies already producing portable EV charging stations. sparkcharge.io.
Except is nothing like that at all
@@vapouricksmith4410 portable ev chargers aren't really equivalent to a petrol can though. They would be incredibly heavy and big in comparison purely due to the nature of what they are.
This guy is still a pillock though for a) not plugging it in properly and not realising that 58 miles is definitely not a full night's charge (even on a 3 pin charger!) and b) for trying to assess EV performance based on not having a proper charger at home.
He says it himself, if you have an EV then you'll get a charger installed, so makes his point of not having enough charge completely moot
I drive a plug-in hybrid and for the first 6 weeks I had it, I didn't have a charger at home. Once I installed the home charger, it was a world of difference.
Not everyone has a garage people live in flats apartments or even homes on normal streets where any car can park outside your house like terraced streets. This plug it at home is a solution that works 10% of scenarios. Its dumb
when you said oh i wont be able to use the clean car today as i did not plug it in .... you still did not plug it in .... still ice car fans will love this tale...
No, he's just telling you like it is. Without the spin.
@@shadowx2k2007 I was correct .... you did love this tale....
My nokia 3310 lasted a week without a charge. Now i learned to plug in my phone everytime i get the opportunity. It is the same thing with an electric car. It only takes a few days to adapt.
The whole point about Rapid charging is that they are NOT on your doorstep. They are placed at strategic distances en route. So that a driver leaves for a road trip and fills when the car is down to 20% range left. And so on. And , of course the 3 pin charger is intended for emergency use. That's why we call it the 'granny charger' - to be used when visiting granny only.
Hitstirrer sounds like ur trying hard to justify the electric car, I live in Scotland seen like 3 so far at petrol stations ...... worlds not ready yet bro! Plus how many tonnes of li_ion gonna be driving about our roads? Gas is bad enough we just gonna turf them duff batteries in the ocean when done! Or get Elon to jettison them into orbit!
As I said in the video, as a reviewer I was hamstrung this week but in my final piece to camera di talk about this !
@@s500steve Sorry Stevie but you are so very wrong on all points raised. Scotland has installed hundreds of FREE to use chargers and take-up of EVs is very high there. Batteries will last many years beyond the life of the car itself and even then will be used in secondary use energy stores. Try a bit of research before sounding off.
@@PetrolPed - Yes I know. But the state of the infrastructure should have been the subject of a completely separate video so that the excellence of the car would have been the takeaway message. Instead, you managed to turn far more potential buyers away than creating a desire to try a test drive. Your own lack of preparation made you look quite foolish. All buyers of EVs will have done their own checks and never run into the basic errors you made. You managed to taint a positive review by a focus on charging which is nowhere near as bad as you painted it. Poor - but not as bad as you portrayed it. And getting better almost daily.
@@Hitstirrer Please watch this...czcams.com/video/T72zMFIEoZ8/video.html
This was a separate video !
A reasonable solution would have been to leave half hour early for Oxford, get a fast charge while having a coffee and catching up on your email, but that would have been for someone that wanted this to be a successful trip clearly not the case here.
You didn't listen properly did you. Not checking it was charging was his mistake. It clearly means you need to double check and not doing so is not a good reason to be against EV cars. The other issue is the EV owners job. A simple job means it's easier to live with an EV. A job where your going all over the country at short notice means its not. Jesus EV owners are so precious.
I have done 40k miles over the last 14 months in a Renault Zoe with a max range of 185 miles with no major issues. I have had very few problems with public charging but I live in Perthshire and the charging infrastructure here is pretty good, we also have far less traffic so no getting stuck in jams.
If they have a home charger, most people will seldom need to use public chargers because they will set out with enough range so I am not convinced that your conclusion is correct.
I agree , I public charge at rapids very rarely, my leaf 40 kWh gives me 150 miles every morning. My commute is 40 miles return . I've been to the east coast ,west coast, Birmingham,toured around lake District. Never had any range anxiety.
Oooh I like when cars give you bongs... and Audi's have the most polite, friendly bongs of them all
I'm going to make a video where I fill up my petrol car using a straw and forget to fill it up the day it needs it It'll prove how bad petrol cars are.
Antman4656 you don’t need a full tank to take your car to the nearest petrol station....
Absolutely what I was thinking
fm carv
That was my thing, imagine owning a petrol car and hoping when you get to the petrol station no one is there, then hoping you have the right app/rfid card, then hope the pump works, only to find out that the only one that works is a pump that trickles... Then come back to find the pump just stopped working while you were gone and only delivered 10miles of fuel.
@@fmsantoscar err, you don't need a full EV charge to get to the nearest EV charging point either so I don't understand what point you're trying to make there?
@@Robert-cu9bm Ever got to a filling station to find that it was closed? Or that the pump was out of order? Or that your payment card was not accepted because the Link network was down? I've had those, the last two within the last year more than once. However, you are also comparing a mature infrastructure with one that is emerging and not without problems but equally, lots of filling stations have closed down over the years. In my parents town, there's one filling station, the next one 10 miles away.
The infrastructure issue is crucial for many people in terraced houses or in flats or apartments as they will not be able to trail a cable out to the car. Thus public charging stations are essential. I would also worry about on street charging as at some point you can bet your life a vandal will take an axe to your cable one day.
I live in a Cul-de-Sac with no allocated parking - it's first come, first parked. I could never have an EV (even though it would be more practical than petrol) simply because my location (and many of my neighbours) would never support it.
As for taking an axe to the cable, I would be more worried (on a long trailing lead), of someone unplugging and using my electricity to fuel their own home or EV for the night (the EV equivalent of syphoning petrol?).
@@dome592 you can't unplug it without the key...
Jayne Vaughan not if your using a 3 pin, as you told need a extension lead to plug in. They'd just unplug that.
Finally a sensible comment rather than whiny fanboys just failing to understand how the UK isn't the same as America lol
@@dome592 This car is the first to do 150 kw+ sustained charging, so you can pull into a CCS Faster Charger, and get a fillup, almost like a petrol station in the amount of time it takes.
Your 2nd EV video and the second video where you forget to check the car is charging and then complain about the car.
Who is this clown? Never heard of him, does he just not charge EVs and then wonder why he can't reach his destinations?
Karl P oh Karl....I am sure your shift at KFC must start soon
As forgetful as he had, it will surely happen more often to a less-organized person. So to me it's still an useful information if I am considering buying an EV. The lessons I learned from here are 1) need to be a more organized person, 2) install a proper charging port at home 3) own another car that's petrol-powered!
When I run out of petrol I dont blame the car. If I try filling the car up without putting it in the filler I don't blame the car.
Er reply with a time code where is complains about the car.
There are three 50kW public chargers in Chichester, West Ashling and Emsworth. All three chargers are under 10 miles from Binderton.
Nick Morley let’s just hope all of the 3 people that own EVs in that area don’t remember to all go charging their cars at the same time
@@fmsantoscar They'd have no need, they'd be charging at home.
as long as ten EV owners dont want to charge at the same time. Or worse, the grid is down.
Rosalie Bent why not do some real research instead of being blinkered all your life. And I don't mean the daily mail.
@@colinnich so u dont think the power grid ever downs and you dont think people ever queue for fuel/power?
you are an ideoologue who never drives any real distance
You should attend Fully Charged Live at Silverstone Friday 7 to Sunday 9 June to learn more. All current UK EVs will be on display.
So he can learn how to plug it in?
In this instance, you didn't need to plan ahead. You just have to properly plug it in before you go to bed just like you plug in your phone or camera equipment. When you own an EV, you have a proper wall charger. For longer trips, that's where Tesla shines. I drive regularly from NYC to DC. In my i3 Rex, I used more gas than grid power because the chargers were unreliable and out of service for months along the turnpike. Meanwhile, the red glowing Tesla superchargers taunted me from across the parking lot. So I bought a Tesla. For my 300 mile trip, I charge my Model X once mid-way while I get a coffee at the rest stop. So it takes no added time. For longer trips, I fly.
I love owners experiences!
I agree.. I had a call 2 months ago saying that my mother was seriously ill.. 3.00am Sunday.. I jumped in the car and drove.. I couldn’t have factored in EV charging. I left the hospital at 11.00 that night... full EV will only work with decent network and much faster charging!
I think it's so great that Hugh Jackmann is taking us on a private tour while also talking about cars. Thank you, Hugh!
I think I made a comment when you first announced this review Peter that went something like;
“Cart before the Horse” & at the speed this country invests in infrastructure that’s where we will find ourselves - back to Horses & Carts” !! I feel privileged to have lived through an era where motorised transportation brought freedom of movement to the masses, sadly with no thoughts of how the resources would eventually run out, cause damage to the planet & just how quickly we would have to find alternatives. The latter have begun to arrive but we’re far from prepared to support their use. Bitching session over, very nice car, excellent review and thanks for sharing.
Cheers
Geof
Cheers Geof. Hope you are well 👍
That was a nice insight into electric car ownership, including to forget to connect it properly, as these things probably would happen. It highlights the importance of setting up the charger at home, need for planning ahead, understanding what chargers available at what distance to your home/work, and be prepared when chargers are broken or not working, someone using it, etc.
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it 👍
With the E-Trons speed recognition, it'll be interesting if you come across a sign saying, for instance, "Happy 100th B'day Gladys!" You're doing 60, your car see the sign and Woosh!! before you know what's happening, your doing the ton and Mr. Plods hot on your tail. Try telling them it wasn't you driving :-))...
You've hit the nail on the head with electric cars. Cannot fault what you've said.
As for the E-Tron. Lovely looking car both in and out. Not sure about the engine. Until they sort out more Electric places, I'm more than happy to go with a nice, simple fuel guzzling car.
Great video though Pete. Gotta be one of the best :-))...
Mate, that is funny 😂
I just don’t see how Audi can bring this “flagship” car out when it’s only got 200 miles of range. That’s not good enough especially when the competition are claiming 300 mile plus. No one seems to acknowledge this though but to me this would be a big blocker.
Totally agree. Tesla has cars rated for 375 almost double this? How can Audi be this far behind?
Five minutes of context squeezed into a 24 minute video
david UK welcome to CZcams
Yep, don't give a shit about this guy's day job.
ZapMap shows quite a few chargers around there. Even a 50kW in Petersfield - at Waitrose I believe. 50kW in West Meon and more 50kW at Liphook serivces up the A3 (on the way to Oxford?). Nice one :(
A lot of pretty silly comments in here. Yes, he didn't plug the car in and yes it wasnt charged.
But the point is that with a petrol car you dont have to fill it up every night before you go to bed, simply have enough fuel to get you to the nearest fuel station which is a 5 minute stop.
With an EV that stop for charging will take some time and as the videos points out the infrastructure isn't there.
If I remember rightly, he absolutely rated the car, its the UK EV infrastructure that is under critique here.
Cheers Bud :-)
You are correct that planning is needed. And anybody can accidentally find their overnight charge did not work. But for someone new to EV charging, you would check it was charging before going to bed. As others have said, that "slow" top-up on first night would have been enough to transform your week. And of course if you ever want a rapid charge, you'd build it into your route so it would not be a round trip of 70 miles to gain (unto) 200. You were right to explain the joy of not filling up (and paying for) petrol. In my 3.5 years I have saved £5,500 using a very modest ranged EV (even after paying for the electricity instead).
I agree. I didn't do anything different the second night I plugged it in and didn't think there could be a problem. A mistake you only make once 😥
If you'd actually done a little research before filming this you would have found zapmap, which shows all chargers, speeds and if they are working. Not really a difficult thing to do. I agree that infrastructure is a big issue, however it should not have hindered your experience at all. I no longer own a car, but my last was a full EV and I never had to use public chargers. Always managed by home charging every night. If you have a 7kw installed at home it's likely you'll rarely use the public charging network.
So you don't own a car now. Ok, don't comment on cars then you wanker!!!!
Why download an app? Then once he’s done that he’d have to download another and another for the various providers. What a joke
When you own this type of car you plan your charging accordingly. I top up whenever I have some dwell time. It’s second nature when you own one for more than a few weeks.
I did go all over Europe in a Tesla Model S for charity. 3500 miles to be exact in 6 days. But I did have free supercharging everywhere. Tesla Rocks! 😆👍
You will always have the uncertainty of not knowing how many others are also waiting for a charge too and the more people that buy them the longer the wait will be.
The lower range in the e-tron really compounds small problems into giant problems. Informative.
I did my pre Uni 9 months in '60, at BMW, Munich. Electric Motors were huge and noisy. Batteries were even bigger and very ineffective. Both have improved since. Electric Cars shall never replace the Internal Combustion Engine for two reasons: a 100 litres diesel weighs almost 100 kgs. If an LPG tank is installed, the weight shall only increase by 100 + kg making a total of 200 kgs for fuel. So, roughly, such a vehicle can be drive for 2,000 km (1 litre for 10 km) with one filling ...I drive to Sweden and Turkey, at least once in 2 months ...I have a BMW 750 il, V12 ...with an extra LPG tank installed ...I live in London. I fill both tanks at Dunkirk ...I need no filling until I get to Sweden ...for Turkey I need one more filling ...No Electric Car can give me that range ...
There should be a law forcing people to drive Electric Vehicles in Towns and Congested Areas like London to reduce Pollution. Most people do not drive more than 70 miles a day ...Electric Cars are ideally suited. Besides, Automotive Designers have to rethink Vehicle Design, making them lighter and functional. For tooling around town you need less gadgets and more room. Modern Cars are the leftover of the Iron age.
Notice how no one argues the point, all bloody brainwashed by the Global bullshit for EVs.
Cornelius Dr Vanderbilt you are still burning fossil fuels. The planet thanks you b
For something like 98% of most people's driving an EV not only works great but requires absolutely zero planning. The only "infrastructure" you require (and I do mean require) is a fast home charger. You simply plug in your EV every time you park the vehicle at home and every time you want to go anywhere you have the full 150 to 300 miles of driving range with zero planning required. Best of all no more wasting time stopped at a gas station and never ending up smelling of gasoline.
You need to stop thinking about a fill up as something you do when the "tank" is getting low and simply plug it in always and stop thinking about "how full is the 'tank'". This also allows you to benefit from pre-heating and pre-cooling so the interior and battery temperature is always perfect for your regular commute and cheap electricity is used to precondition the vehicle and battery.
One thing we (wife and I) don't understand is why everyone puts so much "value" on long trips. We never drive our EV on trips farther than its full battery range. For ALL of our longer trips we take our "old" gasoline powered car or SUV and if we didn't own one we'd rent a comfortable, luxury vehicle for all of our long trips.
For daily driving EVs are so incredibly superior once you get used to plugging them in every time you park at home, that we will never buy a new gasoline powered vehicle again. EVs have the following HUGE advantages for daily driving:
- Ultra quiet, provides an ultra-high end luxury car level of interior noise
- Due to the silence, audio systems sound fantastic
- Most EVs have exceptionally good throttle response and are fun to drive
- Never need to go to a stinky gas station
- Always have a full "tank" every morning
- Vehicle is preheated and precooled for all planned trips. For unplanned trips remote start for 10-15 minutes can be used for minimal cost in the winter and hot days in the summer and again provide an optimal interior and battery temperature.
- Cost per mile is a fraction of what a gasoline powered vehicle costs
- Vehicle maintenance is essentially not required compared to a gasoline powered vehicle. Even things like brakes simply don't wear out due to how regenerative braking uses the electric motors as generators every time you step on the brakes. We just did our front brakes for the first time at 175,000 km and the rear are still original (and this is ALL rush hour type stop/go driving). Oil changes are also a thing of the past, etc. The only typical maintenance that compares to a gasoline powered vehicle is tires.
- You save so much money driving an EV daily that you can afford to rent the most outrageously cool high performance vehicle for driving on longer trips and holidays - and still save a ton of money overall
One thing every EV owner needs to accept though is you do absolutely require a fast home charger. Having a slow charge rate at home totally kills the enjoyment and causes range anxiety. You need to be able to plug your EV in and within 30 minutes have enough energy to drive to the store, etc. and within less than about 10 hours be able to fill the battery from zero to close to full (or at least ~200 miles of range). The faster you can charge at home, the more you will enjoy an EV and the less you will even think about range.
Once you have an EV with a decent range (200+ miles IMO), have a fast home charger and you program yourself to plug it in every time you park at home, you almost never have to worry about things like "do I have enough in the tank to get me there and back", etc. Cost per mile is so low too that any time you feel the need to go anywhere (even just a "Sunday drive") you simply unplug and "go", guilt free.
Problem is it's EXPENSIVE to buy... not worth it!!
Dan G countless cost of ownership videos are out there. Watch some and quit displaying your ignorance.
I see your point of view but can't help thinking you are not a car enthusiast in any context, it's principally a nice safe tool to take you from A to B which is fair enough. When I heard Tesla had put fart software into their cars that told me everything I needed to know about cheap gimmicks and that they must be soulless.... otherwise why such a cheap gimmick... it's not even funny to me, just sad. Last point, I do admit I have only driven a first gen Prius twice and that was years ago, I was so shocked at the experience, I promised myself I would never do it again. It was literally a death trap trying to pull away onto a fast roundabout because it was slow. I mentally had to triple my timing to give it a gap to get into the flow of traffic. Thankfully it was only a pool car....
@@duracontractors IMO the real reason to buy an EV is the extremely low cost to operate; so low that if you drive a moderate amount, the savings more than pay for the purchase price. My wife drives about 40,000 km per year and until recently I drove about 30,000 km per year so the savings add up quickly.
EVs typically travel around 3 miles per kWh (actually slightly better than this in rush hour stop and go traffic). One kWh costs us about 9 cents (assuming we program our EV to charge during the night when electricity is cheapest). This works out to 3 cents per mile driven.
Reasonably efficient gasoline cars travel around 30 miles per gallon (although almost non get this in rush hour stop and go traffic). One gallon of regular locally costs us $5.85 (Canadian dollar). This works out to 20 cents per mile driven.
On top of this EVs have virtually zero maintenance compared to gasoline powered vehicles so you save another $1000 or more per year typically with an EV. Even brake pads tend to last a good 100,000 miles due to the regenerative braking.
So, ignoring maintenance (which can be very significant as gasoline powered cars age) and assuming a life of 100,000 miles (before selling/trading in), an owner would spend about $3000 in energy (electricity) with an EV compared to spending $20,000 in energy (gasoline) with a gasoline powered vehicle.
Add in another $5000 for maintenance for your gasoline powered vehicle over the 100,000 miles and you can afford to spend approximately $25,000 more on an EV to break even compared to buying a gasoline powered, reasonably efficient, daily driver.
On top of all this with an EV you benefit from:
- Never needing to waste time at a gas station (assuming you charge during the night at home and don't use the EV for long trips).
- Having your vehicle preheated and precooled for all of your planned trips (EVs use electrical power directly from the wall to cheaply heat or cool the interior if you tell them to).
- Having the ability to preheat and precool your EV using cost efficient battery power without having to run an energy hungry gasoline engine (almost all EVs have "remote start" that provides this feature).
- Excellent acceleration, especially at low speeds
- Enjoying near silent travel, comparable to a very high end luxury car.
- Being able to drive in the car pool lanes with only a single person in your EV.
- Government incentives and tax credits.
- Depending on the vehicle, many EVs have increased storage space (eg front storage where a gasoline engine would normally go).
In our case we tend to drive our daily driver cars at least 200,000 miles (320,000 km) before replacing them so we save even more. We also have a gas guzzling 1 ton pickup with 35" tires, detroit lockers (both ends) & 4.88:1 gears for a toy, home maintenance and plowing the snow from the driveway, an older, but excellent condition 8 passenger SUV for trips, and my 67 Olds Cutlass convertible summer toy (that I've owned for almost 40 years). I'd like to pick up a high performance (gas guzzling) toy one day too...
A bad workman always blames his tools.
I didn't blame my tools I admitted to making an error 🤔
You're a fucking idiot Dave.
@@PetrolPed Admitting you were a tool, but still keeping this video alive. What tool is this ?!?
@@voldar70 To tell people DON'T BE TOOLS!!! He's slagging the forgetfulness and the infrastructure which is NOT idiot proof. If the government are commanding the end of oil fuelled cars, the network needs to be idiot proof.
I totally agree. Had to train my mind when we had that Mitsy PHEV for 3 months. Great video as always pal, Thankyou.
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If he had the car for a second week he would have completely changed his mind. You can definitely over-think your charging routine starting out with an EV. I bought a 2018 Nissan Leaf (150 mile range) just over a year ago and was shopping around for a 240 volts charger and an electrician to install the line. In the meantime I used the included 120 volt charger. It turned out the I never even needed to buy the 240 volt charger. My daily commute is about 70 miles per day and then on weekends I drive the car another 70 or so miles on errands. I have 𝐧𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐫 needed to charge at a public station. I'm still using the trickle charger. The simple rule is; when the car is in the garage, it is plugged in.
I am sure another week would be a completely different story. I learned a lot during my time with the e-tron. I just happened to make my mistakes on camera 😜
If you don't plug in the charger correctly, *then* you are stuffed.
stuffed with what mate???
Reading through a lot of UNFAIR negative comments here, the point being made guys is it is VERY easy to forget to plug something in, we all do it, my phone was almost dead this morning, however Petrol Ped is highlighting the potential DISASTER if your car wont work in the morning due to lack of a decent charge. He makes clear that a decent over night charge will need a special charging port which could be tough luck if your not staying home that night. For EV transport to work the infrastructure needed is going to be enormous, our National Grid is currently over capacity by about 10% and for the EV future will require increasing multiple times, more power stations, more wind farms, more nuclear plants if it is to cope with powering all our transport needs. EV is the future but theres much work to do much money to find and NO forgetting to plug it in.
Tell me something if u forget to fill ur petrol/diesel car at the end of ur trip how will u commute with the same car the next day. 99.999999999% of the ev owners mite forget to charge their phones overnight but not their evs.
Peace.
How much did he beg you to write that? Petrol Ped is running out of credibility faster the Etron ran out of juice.
Question: once a car is fully charge does it still take power from the charger (thereby costing more money) or does it cut off?
No. It cuts off. There is also a technology called car to grid where your car charges when electricity is at it cheapest and then returns power to your house when it expensive 👍 A Tesla could power a typical family home for several days 👍
@@PetrolPed thank you.I always wondered
Thank you for your reply stating Tesla has build issues. I thought the same when I saw them in Hawaii and Sydney years ago . I bought my Metallic blue model S with cream interior sight unseen after going to an EV weekend and being a passenger in a Tesla and driving Leaf, BMW i3, Zoe, Kona, Ionique and later ipace. I was thrilled when the Tesla arrived on a truck after a 800km container journey and it is stunning and faultless build quality. Be fair Tesla has lead the field in sexy electric cars. If I , an old V8 petrolhead can release the noise and petrol fumes I’m sure you will in time and start to really live the future. You’ll just need to be more organised to drive the future . Cheers from South Island New Zealand
I learned a great deal and will approach my next EV review very differently. I LOVE NZ by the way 👌
Charge on your way home at the last fast charging point you pass, then connect at home to keep the batteries charged
Andre van Rijsbergen
All well and good if they work, but half the time they don't. And only the 7kw plug does, and frankly no one wants to sit at a services for a day.
You nailed it, there is no adequate or reliable infrastructure. I have a BMW i3, I took it on a journey beyond its range recently and needed to rely on the motorway fast charge (50Kw) network. I stopped well within the range of the next charging point and just as well because of the seven stops I made four of the chargers were faulty. To be fair phone support was excellent and two times the fault was cleared or the charge was free.
We need fast 50kw + chargers for motorway journeys (in a hurry) and 7kw for trickle charge for when you stop for a few hours (leisure times). Until this happens range anxiety will compromise EV adoption
WOW, really interesting. Thanks Phil 👍
I have owned a pure EV with a similar range for 4 months and have used a DC charger three times. Once for 30 minutes, once for 15 minutes and once for 10 minutes. I have 3,750 miles of range. Most anyone with any EV experience with your car and itinerary would have been just fine, particularly if you just remember to plug it in (and had a 7.5 kW charger which gives more like 25 miles/hour).
I did remember to plug it in...it just didn't charge !
Wow, a lot of harsh comments. Sorry for that. Nothing wrong with criticizing, but wish people would nicer about it. Just wanted to say if you're an average driver, driving 30 to 50 miles per day, you really don't need to be organized or think ahead, even with only a 3-pin "trickle" charger. Just plug in your car when you get home each evening, and at 6 miles of range gain per hour, in the morning you have 60+ miles of charge, which usually fills up the battery if you're driving 30 to 50 miles per day as most do. For my EV I didn't bother buying a faster charger. I just plug in to the standard 3-pin wall outlet, and wake up each morning with a full charge, and love never having to worry about stopping for gas like I used to. I actually have less range anxiety w/ my EV than I did with my gas vehicle, because sometimes with gas I'd let the tank go too low, then have to unexpectedly plan a gas station stop before it got to empty. Now I wake up with a full "tank" every morning! :-) Of course if you're driving more than 60 or 70 miles a day, you'd want to install the faster charger, or look into a long range Tesla Model 3, or if your very rich, Model S.
The most important message- it takes time to put electricity into a EV and that's the issue.
Goes very well when I'm asleep......
Yep 👍
@@rvo8915 Lets say you have a Golf E, they do around 100 miles and they cost £35,000, you want to drive from lets say, Derby to Dover to catch a ferry to go on holiday...................go on, i'm all ears. What car do you drive.
@Rob Beard You bought the wrong car for the wrong purpose.........a 100 mile EV is not made to go on long drive holiday trips.
It is possible of course, but then you need to plan some fast charging on the way.
I don't go on holiday with our Nissan Leaf 24kW, it is simply not designed for that, but the whole year round it is perfect for commuting and small trips around the area.
And if we need to go further, a fast charge under way you must accept and that is no problem, but for long holiday trips out of the country it would be the wrong choice for me.
With a model 3, kona or nero it wouldn't be a problem.............
204 miles with a 95kw pack is one of the problems...
True. The e-Tron is the most inefficent of the current EVs.
Best and most truthful comment here but also forgot the bloated $85,000 price.
Actually, ALL EV's have the same "Trio of Troubles" - Expensive/Unaffordable for the vast majority of consumers, extremely limited range and very slow recharge times. There will be NO mass adoption of EV's anytime soon until car makers can...1) get the price down to that of ICE vehicles - $25K 2) a 400-500 mile range 3) a FULL 100% recharge in 5-10 minutes - just like the time it takes to fill up your gas tank. Nope...EV's just aren't "there" yet!
@@jaroessa294 No complaining here; 300+ miles in my Model 3; fully charged within 20 minutes on a SuperCharger which I haven't needed a single time in the past 3 months since I have a charger at my work.
Its limiting the SOC window. Something Tesla does as well.
Can’t you install the Level 2 charger at your home? Here in the US Amazon home services installs it for you, I’m not sure about the UK.
We don't call this a weakness of the vehicle, but carelessness of the driver. It it understood that you are not used to EV. In these cases, you need to be bit responsible & careful. I am pretty sure that very early car users (in 1890's) had experienced the similar situations with petrol.
I am planning to move to EV with my next car. But I will buy the fast charger with it. Otherwise same thing which happened the mudaliyar (chieftain), who bought the elephant but did not by the goad (ankus) will happen to me.
Not everyone has a garage to charge their car. People live in flats apartments or terraced homes where anyone can park outside your home. 'Just charge it at home is a 10% solution thats not everyone". Home chargers are also slow even with a bloody box installed.
For all the haters- this is a real thing, I have a PHEV and forgot to charge a few times, in my case it didn’t matter because I could run in hybrid mode.
His experience is just one example of why EVs will take a long time to hit the mass market...
Thank you. Someone who sees my mistake as easy to do but one that has a dramatic effect on my plans 👍
Won’t work out people, imagine if there’s a lot of them queuing up at a charging station and the whole process takes 3-5 hours. Future is hydrogen/fuel cell. In the meantime, if one absolutely wants to drive an electric, buy a hybrid....
Whether you like it or not, the future is hydrocarbons that we dig up and refine into petrol and diesel. As long as you need tyres and as long as you need plastics and as long as you need aviation fuel, we will be drawing crude oil. The problem therein? When you crack crude, you get about 11 gallons of petrol per barrel and a slightly lower diesel yield. What to do with it all when we're all driving electric vehicles is the big question.
Even basic cruise control, which is all I have is a godsend when going through those smart motorway works. Set and forget 👌
Absolutely, but amazing the car adjusts the speed for you based on the road signs 👍
Driving BEVs is a state of mind, unless you have made the commitment and plan your route well its not going to work for you. I did over 500 miles in mine in a day in October & 400+ miles last Tuesday into a very remote area. Both journeys were a breeze and very enjoyable. I'm on my 5th BEV and the thing I love most is the way they hold their value.
Excellent video, demonstrating the plus and minus points of owning an EV. You hit the nail on the head when you were unable to charge at not one but two locations. This would NEVER happen with a petrol or diesel car as the chances of finding a fuel station that had no fuel at both locations is probably a million to one! The infrastructure is the major issue with these cars and this is why hybrids will dominate until such a time that the infrastructure is able to support these cars in the same way that petrol or diesel cars are at present
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it 👍
What you mean is, Charging infrastructure for anything Other than a Tesla is bad in the UK. I've driven 53,000 miles in 2 years for less than $1200. Never going back to a gas car
Michael Morrow total drivel. Publicly available Tesla infra is non existent within 30 miles of where I live in the South East. Their little supercharger map is all well and good until you realise over 70% of them are privately owned by companies so you can't use them. So it's not an option for many of us in the UK who don't have vast swathes of concrete to park cars on and charge them at home overnight like the US.
Great review from an non-electric owner. I really appreciate you recognizing the infrastructure is the lacking portion of EV ownership rather than just blaming the car or the whole idea of EV driving. I can say that I believe Audi missed a bit on this car by not doing a full re-tool and taking advantage of lightweight parts to increase the range. At just 200 miles, the e-Tron really does not work well for someone that does long journeys. It is still a great car for someone that can charge every night and only needs 50-75 miles a day. But, in Texas where I live getting anywhere on that range is nearly impossible. I drive a BMW i3 Rex and just getting to my annual maintenance is 120 miles each way. And they don't seem to have time to charge the car while I'm there. So I use the range extender and still get home with about 50 miles of 'original' charge, but having filled and emptied the 2.4gal fuel tank twice. I think that is a great option, but the push is for ALL electric and infrastructure really needs to improve if that is to be an reality.
Cheers Fred 👍
Thought provoking review, many thanks
Someone needs to make an in depth assessment of real life EV use including how the national electricity grid will cope with millions of 7kw chargers being added
Just drove to Silvestone from Utrecht in the Netherlands last weekend with a Hyundai Ioniq with a 28 kWh battery (3,5 times smaller) and back. Total trip of 1.400 km, haven't had any problems. It all comes down to knowledges about charging and having the right payments methods available!
So how much are the chargers and install costs for the home chargers
Really interesting video Pete ...how much extra are the quick charging stations for the home?
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Petrol Ped
i hope you have some coverage of fully charged live 7,8,9 june at silverstone.
Wasn't aware of the event. I'll check it out thanks 👍
@@PetrolPed It's with Robert Llewellyn and Jonny Smith
www.fullychargedshow.co.uk/fully-charged-live-2019
@@PetrolPed You must have been living under a stone.
So in other words, you forgot to charge it ... or in petrol terms. You went home and forgot to refuel it at a station.
@Robert-Jan Hoesman The infrastructure sucks? He was charging it at home. Like he mentions earlier in the video, if you buy one of these then you would have a fast charger fitted to your home, he was using a 3-pin because if was on hire. Even an overnight charge would have done it. Not all of us live 'two' miles from a petrol station.
@Robert-Jan Hoesman If you put diesel in the car instead of petrol, how far would you get? Its the same when you don't charge the car, it doesn't go anywhere. How can anyon justify putting their own ineptness in a video to slate the product??
@@mikeamor619 because there aren't inept people in the world now, and the push is for the majority of vehicles to be EV?
Personally I see the compromise being PHEV.
@@mikeamor619 You think if you gave an EV to everyone tomorrow not a single person would make the same mistake? HIs video is totally valid, you need to check and if you journey beyond the range, you need to plan.
Very good Mike 😉 nice real world test and very insightful. Nice to see you down with the SS crew on my turf too 👌
Who's Mike?
With reference to some of the critical comments below it is absolutely true that some of his problems were self inflicted but he nails the infrastructure thing. It absolutely is an issue and there are, still, charge deserts in the UK. As more chargers come on line, you'd think the deserts would disappear but they don't - check out the Peak District for example.
Cheers Peter 👍
Oh dear. You didn’t try very hard regarding looking for a public charger. There are two 50kW DC chargers in Chichester. One is about 200m up the road from Waitrose by the council office, and there is a Polar charger 1 or 2 miles up the A27 on the Concierge Camp site.
I driven 15k in an BEV in the last 12 months and although the Public charging network isn’t faultless, it’s not that bad. Use the Zap-Map app. When on the move, and yes, definitely install a 7kW wallbox at home.
To be fair, that charger you mentioned can't be used by the public during the week. His area is very poor for infrastructure
I just jump in my Tesla Model S and drive to Bangor and back to Woking without issues. I stop for 15 mins at Warwick and charge while getting a tea. Then 30 mins at Warrington get a drink and eat something then to Bangor. Collect son and stuff from Uni digs and the back with similar pattern. No issues or planning needed. Also I have to travel to Manchester from Woking on business and dont givw it a second thought. Stop twice at service stations for comfort break and tea top up and charge - 15 mins max- when I get home I have over 40% range left. I also have a home charger of 7kw and use when needed, but get free Tesla SuC usage. My range varies depending on route, temperature and how I drive. Recently I was getting 330 miles to the charge, around 226kwh per mile when motorway driving. So my experience of owning an EV, particularly a Tesla, has been great. Also bonus is I get free charging at SuC and get 45p per business mile so also find it pays for itself. 😊 But even without this gain, the experience is great!!
If the car had the range/efficiency Audi originally claimed you'd have had no problem - but it wasnt even close.
Get a Tesla. I am an Audi fan, but if I were buying an EV today, it would be a Tesla, because of the superior batteries, control logic, and motors.
People gripe that he didn't handle this properly but he still has a point. Charging infrastructure in nearly every country is inadequate at the moment. Not everyone can have a charging station at home, especially if you rent your accommodations.
Only when charging is as fast as filling a petrol car to capacity will they be proper replacements for internal combustion engines and hybrids. And those charging stations as common as petrol stations (I have 8 or 9 within 3 kilometres of where I live) so the need for home charging stations aren't needed at all. The nearest ev charging station near me is around 10 kilometres away...that might not seem like much, but it is a big pain in the arse when it's through city traffic and right out of the way of most of my travels.
So instead of “plan ahead”, you mean “check you connected the charger properly”...? ;)
Oh, and doing a quick trip search using the PlugShare app showed a number of rapid chargers on service stations between Chichester and Oxford, so it wouldn’t be as much of a stretch to stop and charge for even just a 15-20 mins or so at a rapid chargers to get there.
To me it seems like the reality is we still have some way to go with EV’s before they become a logical/necessary decision, more than an emotive decision. The average person fills their car up with fuel once a week. Not really much hassle. But EV’s needing daily/2 daily refill seems like an unnecessary problem for the average a to b drivers who may forget a charge. Perhaps wireless charging is a future pipe dream? Also some parts of the world only use coal fired power (like Victoria, Australia) - and charging regularly is more expensive long term and is shown to produce more co2 annually in comparison to the average petrol powered car - due to the lack of clean energy :(
Well said! High-price-to-purchase for your average consumer, extremely limited range and long/excessive recharge times...the 'Trio of Troubles' will keep the vast majority from adopting EV's, until they are addressed.
The long recharge time is somewhat irrelevant most days providing you can charge at home. Without home overnight charging it would certainly take some serious commitment at present.
Plugging the car in overnight providing you have the place to do it (driveway or garage) becomes automatic behaviour after a while. Also the preheat in the winter means no getting ice off screens etc.
But a lot of people live in places where they can't charge outside their houses. That problem does need to be addressed IMO.
Tesla is ahead of the game. They have the infrastructure at the beginning. They have chargers throughout the USA, Eu, China. You don't have worry, the car will direct you to a charger. Also, you didn't mention self-driving. During your heavy traffic, Tesla would taken control for you. Tesla is making all the other builders come to the table. Tesla has the technology and great cars. Audi advertisement makes you wonder if going electric is a good idea. Like you said infrastructure is needed for Audi and others.
They focus on the problems and solve them. They don’t wait for anyone to hand them infrastructure like electric charging stations.
I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with this video. There are a surprisingly large number of people on here commenting that you don’t need to plan ahead and that you should have made sure it was charging properly and that the current infrastructure is sufficient. But I disagree and personally think that the problems you faced in this video are indicative of the experience you would have from owning an ev. Yes, you would get used to it and grow out of the ‘range anxiety’ that people are first afraid of, but the problem still exists that you will have to plan ahead for every single journey.
Cheers Lewis. I learned a lot but as a CZcamsr happened to do that on camera for all to see 😂
A bit biased for your audience, don't really believe that you didn't plug it in properly.
Ridiculous comment
I agree , second time EV reviewed and second time not properly plugged in. Nobody’s that dim!
204 mile range! Madness. That price and only that rang.. It's only for short range trips. I have a petrol now that isn't super economic but I can do over 500km easily. My previous diesel did close to 1000km on a tank. The flexibility is just not there and yet they want you to buy them..
And check the price - he didn't state it so as not to shock the viewer.
I stated the price in my review video 👍
When was the last time you drove 500km in one trip?
Finally an unbiased real life "review". Fed up of all the EV fanboy videos in their perfect little EV worlds where the actual downfalls of EV ownership are not even mentioned....
fm carv What exactly are the "actual downfalls"? We have 2 BEVs and an ICE, and I am unfamiliar with the dowfalls.
J. Kevin McNary I think he explained very well in the video. The lack of infrastructure is the major one. Few and far in between charging points are a dealbreaker for many people especially on long journeys. It’s great for the daily commute when you come back home and are able to charge. But not everyone is able to do that.
Which takes me to the point of people living in flats and houses without drives/garages. How the hell are they supposed to charge their cars overnight?
This makes me think about emergency situations. All well and good to plan, but when the unexpected happens, and you have no choice but to get going now, that hour could be impossible to find. In cases of power outages, such as is happening right now in Texas, you are stuffed. I keep a pair of 20 litre Jerry cans of gas in case of emergency. I can top up the car in minutes if need be, and that gets me about 300 miles of range. Given the distances that are quite normal where I live, that is quite necessary. The full charge range on that Audi is barely adequate under ideal conditions. Add in -40 degree temperature and a snow storm, and all bets are off. It won't make it. Very often I drive were there is no chance of finding a rapid charger, and the chances of finding somewhere to plug in for hours, or even a day on trickle, are slim to none.
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Just plug it in on home charger when you put it in the garage in the evening....not exactly difficult
Hi PP - I watched this video & the others you made about the Etron. I'm a self confessed gear head and gone totally EV and have absolutely no regrets.
In order to make the review more realistic you should have had a wall charger available.
At the end of the day if you are driving more than 200 miles round trip per day then yes you will need to include en-route charging time or destination charging. However if you have a home wall charger and drive less than 200 miles on most days then you have an improved lifestyle as your total time & money invested in re-fuelling your vehicle is reduced. The time cost can be as little as the extra seconds plugging the car in at the end of a day & removing the plug at the start of a day. You can wake up with a full tank of fuel in the car every day. Something not possible with a fuel car.
Another way to look at it ... How much money do you earn per hour? How many hours or part there of do you have to work to fill your petrol tank? How much time do you take out of your week to travel to a petrol station & fill your vehicle? Add in the 6 monthly ICE service cost, lost time whilst vehicle is being serviced, & travel time for servicing. Total all that up and compare it against the cost of putting the energy in an electric car every night & not only is it a less fatiguing enjoyable drive with thrilling acceleration but it has not so obvious cost advantages.
The EV is going to use that cheaper energy source more efficiently at about 90+% vs the ICE which is going to operate at less than 40% efficiency burning a higher priced energy source.
You have to factor in the original price difference too. A brand new Nissan Leaf is 31k$, a brand new Nissan Versa Note (roughly the ICE equivalent) is 16.5k$. when they are in warranty, the only cost you have to really factor in are the tires, the gas, and the oil change. Let's say you get a 3 year warranty with both, and after those 3 years you sell it/trade it in. Does the electrix save me money in those 3 years, to offset the original purchase cost? I don't think I would spend more than 15k$ on fuel + the cost of electricity that I would use to charge my car.
People tend to forget where we come from! When the car started to replace the horse, there were no gas/petrol stations around. You had to buy the petrol at the local pharmacy - i small bottles. Any trip had to be carefully planned around the availability of petrol and pharmacies.
The reason range decreased more than the miles is because highway driving uses much more energy than 'average' city driving which is what the rangeometer basis it's prediction on. This seems contrary to petrol cars, as they're often though as 'MORE efficient' on highway driving but this is only because they're so rediculously innefficient at everything else. Town and city stop-start driving is where EVs excel. Also - great vid.
Not thought of it that way Mike. Thanks for that 👌👏
Even the 3 plug pin is able to deliver 3.6kw/h, mine is anyway ... so if you plugged in from 19h to 11h you easily would have charged 45kwh ... or 50% and you had 50 miles in the battery so at least 60 and closer to 70% charge ... problem solved ...
Actually it's more like 2kw/h but its what I use for my leaf and works fine.
I’m so sad that you don’t have a good charging infrastructure. I live in the San Diego area in southern California and there are fast chargers at most 10 miles apart from each other. Here driving a ev is very feasible, hopefully in the future with more a demand the infrastructure in your area can develop.
Do you have an EV? If you do...how much does it cost you to fully charge your EV at a recharging station and how long does it take? No videos on EVs that I've watched talks about those VERY IMPORTANT facts.
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I’ve a Model S and the charging is free - for lifetime of the car!
I believe the Audi gives you a couple of years’ free too - if you can find a suitable charger, of course.
You should try and find Istanvolt rapid chargers. They take around 40 - 45 minutes to charge. You do not need an app or company card; you can simply use your debit card at the machine. The cables are provided. Also, you can try Shell and Charge Master (BP) chargers. They are rapid chargers that do not need an app. Just scan your debit card and away you go.
Brilliant video on day to day life with an EV. Spot on about the info structure. Still work to do. I’d get a hybrid with the view of getting a full EV in the next 3 to 5 years. Nice one
Cheers Andrew 👍