"Rockets" most of the time characterize the lack of guidance, because they're just that - payloads with rocket thrusters behind. Missiles relate to anything that have guidance and/or specialized payload and fuses (nuclear missiles, EMP missile, ballistic missile). So it is kinda the other way around.
Old school Total Annihilation called the "up-and-down" rockets launched by units like the Ambassador and Possum "Starburst Missiles." While this is a great way to differentiate them from rockets launched by Aggravator/Rocketeer bots, this continues the fine TA/BAR tradition of mixing up the terms. :(
@@BenLoula Thing is, the vertically launched rockets ARE guided, as they do not follow a ballistic trajectory, they are simply guided to a stationary point on the ground rather than a moving target, so they certainly qualify as missiles even though they're called rockets. The rocket bots' weapons appear to be completely unguided as they simply fly in a straight line, so they're correctly named. The Janus is wrong since it fires homing missiles, and the "missile" ships are the most egregious offenders because their "missiles" aren't even self-propelled, instead leaving the barrel at full velocity and following a natural ballistic arc, which means they're mortars (assuming the "missile" tubes are smoothbore).
Out of all the crazy stuff that happened that game, my favorite part by far is still when I managed to take down a dragon with shurikens. That was hilarious.
He's been frequently uploading on his main channel though. I really do think the hate he got in his comments put him off the game and its community. Also where did you hear he had another kid? His Twitter post about it is for June of 2022.
as someone who has only watched youtube videos of this game the distinction between rockets and missles would be greatly appriciated, Thank you for thinking about it!
I did not expect the come back, and I did not expect the come back's come back. What a game! Every time I see Dragons I'm amazed at how useless they feel. Such an expensive unit, so little dps, so easy to shoot down. Maybe not the best late game option unless there's a gap they can slip through to hit some juicy target I guess.
Something to note is that their lasers do A LOT more damage the closer the dragon is to what they are firing at. But their default behavior puts them at max range, effectively making them tickle whatever they're fighting. Sitting a Dragon up and personal against things makes them actually punch at their weight, but I totally agree that Dragons are a really bad unit. For how easily T1 fighters can shoot it down, its metal cost seems way, way too high
Dragons aren't like Juggernauts, that's for sure. I see them as an air unit that's a linebreaker/exploiter. They have the HP to get past an initial bit of AA defenses, and the DPS to raid but especially in the late game they are not mainline units. I'd only suggest/recommend their use when you have air superiority and the enemy has bases to raid. Essentially from a mechanic's standpoint, they're like a sustained bomber which can penetrate a basic line of AA defenses reliably more than anything else.
I think the missile vs rocket distinction works fairly well. If we assume missile means guided and can track targets, and rocket means limited/guidance then all the units fit. All the AA bots, fighters, turrets etc. are missiles, the pink attacks. As are the T1 missile vehicles which have amazing unit tracking. T1 rocket bots, janus, and banishers as well as the spiders all do some some guidance, but it isn't really enough to track moving targets. The rocket artillery bot, hover and vehicles all technically 'guide' on the trajectory but have zero unit tracking. I guess the only thing that doesn't fit in my head would then be nukes. Antinukes guide, but nukes and tactical 'missiles' are more like the artillery rockets.
A "resources lost/sec" graph or something similar would be great for post-match analysis. Fiends look about 20% more efficient than Stouts in a 1v1, but with a lot more of their expense coming from build cost rather than metal cost, so it's confusing
You missed a great pun at 34:15. You said, "..as some more Thor's are pushing forward." You should have said "as some more Thor's are pushing thorward." /trollface
Could you turn on the widget in your game that shows the damage each hit is doing to particular units? I never get a chance just sit there and watch engagements unless I’m watching your channel.
53:33 no actually you should do both! You make just Tzars first than when you attack you switch into pure tiger production because tigars are much faster and can easily reinforce your front lines!! That's what I do! IT really works!! I'd even do a 5 Afus timing attack with the Tzars, flak, banishers and switch into tigers only when I attack and I've had great success doing that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ive actually played against this alaskan war wolf guy before and guess what he did,,, another nuke rush lol. its also funny seeing him transition to nuclear bombers after getting his base destroyed. he sure likes his nukes huh🤣
Wolf shot it in the very back corner where there was no antinuke coverage. I don't know if he knew it was vulnerable or was just taking a gamble but it paid off.
I'd much rather someone has a bad game than you don't get a chance to enjoy this lovely game. Don't worry about others just let them know you're new and I'm sure some will be able to help. You can also just watch some games and copy what you see
Hey, I'd like to see some experimenting with no rush timers at 10 minutes, for epic clashes. 😎 just a random suggestion for content. The battles immediately after that timer ends will be intense with good players.
The biggest problem I'd see in it is balancing the the area. I think you could set it to 50 so they can have skirmishes at middle with no passing the 50 yard line
"Rockets" most of the time characterize the lack of guidance, because they're just that - payloads with rocket thrusters behind. Missiles relate to anything that have guidance and/or specialized payload and fuses (nuclear missiles, EMP missile, ballistic missile). So it is kinda the other way around.
yea was thing that the whole time lol, missiles track rockets don't
Old school Total Annihilation called the "up-and-down" rockets launched by units like the Ambassador and Possum "Starburst Missiles." While this is a great way to differentiate them from rockets launched by Aggravator/Rocketeer bots, this continues the fine TA/BAR tradition of mixing up the terms. :(
@@BenLoula Thing is, the vertically launched rockets ARE guided, as they do not follow a ballistic trajectory, they are simply guided to a stationary point on the ground rather than a moving target, so they certainly qualify as missiles even though they're called rockets. The rocket bots' weapons appear to be completely unguided as they simply fly in a straight line, so they're correctly named. The Janus is wrong since it fires homing missiles, and the "missile" ships are the most egregious offenders because their "missiles" aren't even self-propelled, instead leaving the barrel at full velocity and following a natural ballistic arc, which means they're mortars (assuming the "missile" tubes are smoothbore).
lol I never paid very close attention and just assumed starbursts were ballistic! 🤣
Ahh then I inverse my argument haha
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Out of all the crazy stuff that happened that game, my favorite part by far is still when I managed to take down a dragon with shurikens. That was hilarious.
Drongo became father, so guess he is APM stalled right now.
Was that drong?
LMAO ahh good for him!
He's been frequently uploading on his main channel though. I really do think the hate he got in his comments put him off the game and its community.
Also where did you hear he had another kid? His Twitter post about it is for June of 2022.
@@Argonwolfproject Someone wrote this on Reddit, it's not like i know him personally or something.
Who was Drongo in this match?
Algo love
as someone who has only watched youtube videos of this game the distinction between rockets and missles would be greatly appriciated, Thank you for thinking about it!
Great video! 🙌🏾 🔥 thank you for these recaps. Your commentary is amazing
I did not expect the come back, and I did not expect the come back's come back. What a game! Every time I see Dragons I'm amazed at how useless they feel. Such an expensive unit, so little dps, so easy to shoot down. Maybe not the best late game option unless there's a gap they can slip through to hit some juicy target I guess.
Something to note is that their lasers do A LOT more damage the closer the dragon is to what they are firing at. But their default behavior puts them at max range, effectively making them tickle whatever they're fighting. Sitting a Dragon up and personal against things makes them actually punch at their weight, but I totally agree that Dragons are a really bad unit. For how easily T1 fighters can shoot it down, its metal cost seems way, way too high
I agree, they seem to suck... unless they're used against me!
Dragons aren't like Juggernauts, that's for sure. I see them as an air unit that's a linebreaker/exploiter. They have the HP to get past an initial bit of AA defenses, and the DPS to raid but especially in the late game they are not mainline units. I'd only suggest/recommend their use when you have air superiority and the enemy has bases to raid.
Essentially from a mechanic's standpoint, they're like a sustained bomber which can penetrate a basic line of AA defenses reliably more than anything else.
Excellent video and amazing match! Thank you for entertaining me while I work!
Hahaha happy to help
Good match and good commentary. Love these fights that go back and forth.
Thank you mate :)
absolutely fantastic win, and from the "weak" position too
That was a banger game
I think the missile vs rocket distinction works fairly well. If we assume missile means guided and can track targets, and rocket means limited/guidance then all the units fit.
All the AA bots, fighters, turrets etc. are missiles, the pink attacks. As are the T1 missile vehicles which have amazing unit tracking. T1 rocket bots, janus, and banishers as well as the spiders all do some some guidance, but it isn't really enough to track moving targets. The rocket artillery bot, hover and vehicles all technically 'guide' on the trajectory but have zero unit tracking.
I guess the only thing that doesn't fit in my head would then be nukes. Antinukes guide, but nukes and tactical 'missiles' are more like the artillery rockets.
It's these minor discrepancies with no real effect on the game that keep me up at night :D
Assault --> artillery--> rockets --> turrets ---> assault. At T1. T2 gets more complicated. And Mass --> all.
Artillery is "Area denial" or static defense killer.
Razorback counters mass
I find it funny people don't build anti nukes units which are cheaper than citadels and can defend the earliest nuke units and are mobile to boot
True but i most of the time go vehicle, and you only get it from T2 Botlab.
They are much smaller area, so I wouldn't want to rely entirely on them.
@@3komma141592653 not if you are Cortex, those are from t2 vehicle lab
Tremendous video!
Thank you :)
98 % don't know the difference between rocket and missile and Rocket Bot just sounds cool. End of the story.
Fair counterpoint hahaha
Rockets are dumb, missiles are smart.
A "resources lost/sec" graph or something similar would be great for post-match analysis. Fiends look about 20% more efficient than Stouts in a 1v1, but with a lot more of their expense coming from build cost rather than metal cost, so it's confusing
I agree, that'd be a super helpful tool
If only green air guy would build a few EMP bombers that game would be so free lol
You missed a great pun at 34:15. You said, "..as some more Thor's are pushing forward." You should have said "as some more Thor's are pushing thorward."
/trollface
Nice XD
30:18 theres a widget that shows metal loss per team in an engagement
Could you turn on the widget in your game that shows the damage each hit is doing to particular units? I never get a chance just sit there and watch engagements unless I’m watching your channel.
31:30
Propa ork tactics, fight the enemy, loot the enemy, repeat
53:33 no actually you should do both! You make just Tzars first than when you attack you switch into pure tiger production because tigars are much faster and can easily reinforce your front lines!! That's what I do! IT really works!! I'd even do a 5 Afus timing attack with the Tzars, flak, banishers and switch into tigers only when I attack and I've had great success doing that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ive actually played against this alaskan war wolf guy before and guess what he did,,, another nuke rush lol. its also funny seeing him transition to nuclear bombers after getting his base destroyed. he sure likes his nukes huh🤣
41:00 YEAH the Tzars!!! Cortex knows how to wage war!!!!
There is a widget to compare metal lost from engagements between friendlies and enemies.
Ohh man I need to look into this!
@@BrightWorksTV Its on the discord in the widgets tab. I dont know if it works for spectators though.
30:38 how did the nuke hit blue? EMP'd anti?
Nope, if you pause at 30:11 you can see the corner isn't covered and that's where the nuke hits
Wolf shot it in the very back corner where there was no antinuke coverage. I don't know if he knew it was vulnerable or was just taking a gamble but it paid off.
Anti nuke has limited range, people like to target just outside of the range of scouted antinukes
hi i wana start plaing pvp but im afraid i'll just destroy fun of plaing to my teammates... i never playd before this kind of game
I'd much rather someone has a bad game than you don't get a chance to enjoy this lovely game. Don't worry about others just let them know you're new and I'm sure some will be able to help. You can also just watch some games and copy what you see
Hey, I'd like to see some experimenting with no rush timers at 10 minutes, for epic clashes. 😎 just a random suggestion for content. The battles immediately after that timer ends will be intense with good players.
The biggest problem I'd see in it is balancing the the area. I think you could set it to 50 so they can have skirmishes at middle with no passing the 50 yard line
Hmm now this is interesting, I think I will experiment with that, yes
First :)
Nice :)