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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- I summarise a debate between myself and a flight sim friend on the value of small airport add-on's for Microsoft Flight Simulator. Are they worth the money? We also take a short flight in the Cessna 172 from KPAG to Bryce Canyon (KBCE), and compare Default scenery for Bryce Canyon to the recent ORBX release.
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Great review, thank you,
This is new territory for developers, before starting this project I had to make decisions on what was best to spend time on. I did add a smallish section of photo real around the immediate airport and approaches, it allowed me to clean up the areas in the default without hand placing patches of grass in the editor, but overall the default PR was pretty good. So I was able to then focus on what I believe were the defining points of this airport. The buildings are so full of character, everywhere I looked there was something of interest, from the historic hanger to the awesome FBO building and the outbuildings with rusty metal features and the fuel depot that kinda summed up the age and character of this little piece of Utah.
Every object was modelled in as much detail as I could see in the great photos supplied by Jarrad . His eye for details made sure nothing was missing. Just check out his version of LOWI Innsbruck and you can see how he sees all.
My favourite part of developing this airport was launching the sim at sunrise and just quietly watching the sunrise, and listening to to sounds, Asobo has given us an amazing platform to develop for, I finished the project feeling very happy that I had created something worth visiting and spending time with a cuppa and just enjoying the ambience.
That’s for the very upfront and unbiased review and to give me the opportunity to make a comment, and thanks to all the pilots out there that have supported this release.
Cheers
Ken
Ken Hall , hi Ken, thank you for commenting and I can attest to the fact that you have created an environment that sums up the character and ambiance I was looking for. Keep up the amazing work your doing. Regards
Hello, nice work! Definitely an airport with character and that's what your add-on does, it adds on the character, which in the default scenery is missing. In my opinion that's where the added value will be for further developments. Take airports that have special characters and bring them to display. A nice example I would love to see is Hilo (ITO) or Kona (KOA) airport on Hawaii, as they're almost open air, a completely different feeling and atmosphere.
Thanks for the airfield. This was for me a sudden buy. First Claas Superb 1a airfield👍
Beautiful work!
I've not started flying in FS2020 yet (waiting on my GPU of choice to become readily available), but I definitely plan to pick this one up once I do.
As a software developer, myself, I know all too well how often end consumers are unwilling to pay an amount commensurate with the amount of work/effort needed to create a polished product. This is very much the case in the particular subset I work in (iOS development).
By chance, do you know if there are any plans by ORBX to update the Catalina Airport (KAVX) product for FS2020? It'd be another wonderful "small airport" showcase, and probably garner some attention from flight simmers here in Southern California. I know that I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
We’re working on Catalina now, so hope you’re gpu arrives soon.
Thank you for your feedback.
Cheers
Ken
I think it might be better for all of us if these small airport developers offered bundles of airports in the same geographical regions. It would be more entertaining to have four to six airports to fly between.
William Barnes , great idea, it would be a brilliant offer. 👍
That is a great idea! Totally agree. It's not like were talking big bucks here but yes a bundle would be best .
Yes! That would make more sense for sure.
this idea is truly epic. if there was a bundle of 3-6 local airports, i would be very interested. in saying that though, my local airport isn’t even in the game (damn you bing), so i could not care less about additional airports.
My view for years William. It's pointless having an upgraded airport if you have to fly to it from a default airport or fly for hours! Having said that, Orbx in particular have indeed released such products, but they are the exception rather than the rule.
Unless the airport has a significant importance to you, I can't see it being worth purchasing. You're going to spend 60 seconds there and then fly off to explore the rest of the planet which already looks so amazingly good. I've explored about 0.1% of a world which cost me $80. I'm not spending $20 or $30 on scenery that covers about 0.0000000001% and that I will not use often. It's just not worth it. We need new planes more than new scenery.
IMHO it's only worth the money if it's your "home airport".
I'd agree. It's not a bad option if you want to simulate a small ferry operation in and around the Grand Canyon area. If not however just buying it to visit once or twice before disappearing to other parts of the world never to be seen again does seem a tad profligate. It will be interesting to see how much the USA "upgrade" improves the default scenery making this airfield seem even more "overpriced".
For me, I'll happily sink money into airfields in the UK and Europe since its my favourite regions to fly. Furthermore if I'm planning a specific regional tour, addon airfields really add to the immersion. The new price modelling seems very fair and well worth trading in those 3 cups of coffee. Thanks for the video Mark I enjoyed it as always.
VR Flight Sim Guy , thanks for watching. 😃
VR Flight Sim Guy hi Steve, now I’m up and running, let me know which airfields and when you’re looking to include in your tour, we could meet up online for a fly-in
@@andybeckett6508 Sounds good Andy. I'm thinking of arranging a group flight soon 👍
VR Flight Sim Guy awesome 👏
I have to agree with you, I too, enjoy flying to out of the way airports in smaller GA aircraft. And I would and do pay for the privilege. I enjoy seeing the scenery around and the layouts of various airports, many of which I’ve visited in real airplanes and many more I never got to see. Since. I’m disabled now and can not go jump in my plane and go sightseeing, I now have to rely upon my simulator. So 👍 yes, I will pay extra the privilege of flying into more realistic options.
Steve Bodine , thanks for your feedback, much appreciated.
Totally agree with you. I will never see those airfields in real life. The only chance to see is in the simulator. It is like a journey, like a dream. It is total relaxing thing to go outside the plane listen to the sounds (in XP with xp-realistics) and looking what happens. Than starting in the morning to explore landscapes I will never see in real life is beautiful. This smaller airfields give me the Illusion to be there. A virtual dream. Those smaller airports with its own character calm me down.
Sorry for my english. I am not a native speaker.
4SecShark Mr , native English speaker or not you captured the very essence of flight sim for many people. Cheers 👍
After reading the comments I have come to realize that most simmers have no idea of the time and cost involved in super detailing an airport. If you use software for commercial purposes you are required to purchase the commercial versions of it. You have to obtain photographs and aerial photos are not cheap. Some of the airports take over a year to complete and the developer's time is worth what he values it at.
All of us can upgrade any airport we choose to do but that takes a lot of time and all objects included must be original if you wish to publish them.
Did you notice that the hangar door was open and the interior was detailed? Not only that but Mark was able to taxi into the hangar without losing the details. This airport is well worth the cost and I will purchase any future airports Ken publishes.
I do not fly Tube-Liners so these small airports are important to me. Before I purchase an airport I always check the screenshots to see how much GA there is at the airport. The major airports do not want you there unless your approach and landing speeds are around 737 speeds. When I arrive at the airport I want it to look as much like the real thing as possible.
Dale Evans , hi Dale, I completely agree with you. Regards
Should you spend your money on small airports in MSFS? Is it worth the money? What are your views? Thanks for watching.
There is a world of difference between between this orbx scenery and the default, worth every penny and a great review, thank you Mark👍
AMEN
If the small ones were super detailed and animated, then I would easily pay up to 2.99 CDN. They can make their money with quantity. Even a large international one, maybe 10 bucks CDN max. The new Mooney plane, $40 CDN is too much for me.
Id say you have to pay for the privelegde to upgrade an airport close to where you live, as they probably wont sell as much as the bigger ones. I have no problem paying 10-20$ for a small airport close to where i live, as i know the market for that airport probably is pretty narrow, and i want to show my appreciation to the devs for taking the time to make it :)
Mr. Thor , completely agree.
Me too. My home base was KPOC for all training. Would like to see that upgraded.
Very good points Mark! I am a GA and low and slow pilot. Makes a lot of sense to me since I like out of the way places rather than big cities.
Would love to see more Southern California airports development? Don’t mind to pay for them.
Looks well worth it to me. I really just want everything to look as real as possible. The correct rendering of the buildings is totally different from the default and much improved from what I see!! Thanks for the review!!
Jason Starbird , thanks for watching 😁
Yep exact replica. Was ferrying the new owner to Oregon when forced to land there and overnight. Fella got airsick and we had to stay at a motel close to the airport in the middle of nowhere. FBO still looks the same. MSFS use to sell regions back in the day. We all had little 3 ring binders with floppy disks to load different regions of the country. Crazy how far it's come.
I remember.....😁
Great review. Thanks so much for demonstrating the differences. I especially like the buildings that were added and how much more realistic looking they are. The default had a number of "missing" buildings in addition to the generic hangar. I appreciate sims that are real as possible and ORBX certainly did that with this airport. Now, if they would just make more in the area that I fly (Mid-Atlantic USA) I would be happy. 😊
Regardless of any opinion on whether to purchase this airport or not, your video was wonderful--entertaining and educational as well.
Great job Mark!
Thankfully, the only small airport I was interested in, was free! KHIO. Hillsboro, Oregon. 😀
Totally agree with you.... Roger... Pembrokeshire
Love all your videos, thank you so much. You explain and update the future of MFS2020 in a way that it makes the SIM so exciting.
265petsar , thanks for watching, much appreciated. Regards
I would like to see more videos like this one, with scheduled departure and arrival, a brief introductory overview of the areas we will cross, and the flight with detailed explanations of the various procedures ... I could even imagine a tour in various stages in a geographical area you know ... it would be nice and interesting for many !!!
Thank you.
Aurelio Marsili , hi I have one coming up soon ....featuring EGTB Wycombe Airpark Park....stay tuned. 👍
Great review! I will be getting this dlc very soon
It's always a pleasure see your videos ... thanks !!!
all boils down to what it's worth to the user... I'd easily pay $30-40 for any of my past "home airports" IRL, since I'd use them a lot, and it'd be worth it to me. I would, however, expect high res custom runway and taxiway + ramp textures - since that's where I notice the biggest difference. There's a lot of beautiful 'major airport' packages out there, that I wouldn't spend anything on - because I just wouldn't fly there that often.
I don't envy the developers here... I think you have to pick an airport that you're passionate about and hope enough other people feel the same. There was already a thread on ORBX forums about Bryce - and a lot of people were disappointed that the scenery only includes the airport, and not improvements for the National Park... which sorta makes sense, since if you're buy Bryce Canyon, you probably plan to fly over the canyon at some point ;)
Also, in your A/B comparison - I'm pretty surprised to see not much improvement on the runway / taxiway texturing. The real airport has some interesting patchwork pavement and cracking - none of which I see in the add-on. goo.gl/maps/phF5tHtk9cLexp6Z8
ravenn22 , thanks fair comment.
😎Hi Mark,...I’m Relatively New to your Channel But Enjoying your Videos, 👍🙋♂️Thanks ! ...It’s Good That you Created this Review of Sorts about Smaller Detailed Airports...👏👏👏 What a Coincidence that I Just Purchased (20) “discounted” Sceneries from ORBX Just Last Night, Bryce being one of them ...lol. I Agree that These Developers Put in a lot of Their Time Creating these Small “GEMS”, & of Course They deserve the Monetary Rewards as Well !! I Just Came from Xplane11, So With the Added Realism of MSFS, I really appreciate the Many Important & Sometimes Striking Details in these Smaller Airports !!! Happy Flying Mark !!👏👏👍✈️✈️✈️
Hi Paul, thanks for your feedback and welcome to the channel. 👍😁
Very imformative and very helpful. Thanks for the video
Thank you for all your awesome video's, I have to agree with you, everything that looks more realistic is well worth the Investment for us to enjoy, I really wish they would update my Airport In British Columbia, Kelowna is already done, Now I would love to see Penticton done.
Victoria too : )
Hi Mark. I always tell people, the 'worth' of buying an airport scenery is in how often you will fly from there. If you use the airport as a regular hub, sure! (big airports are easier hubs in that regard). Airports for me have been the biggest waste of money. I have bought quite a few desirable airports from Orbx in P3D. Not only do I not use P3d any more, but most of those purchases I have only visited once (and one or two not at all because I forgot I had them. As such, I tended to focus on regional / international where I would visit (San Diego, Palm Springs, and Monterrey were the only I got value from). Now that I have True Earth for xplane, at least my region is more focused and may make use of airports better (though Orbx does a great job of touching up default fields). I like exploring the world, and my xplane setup makes it more difficult... Which is why MSFS will be used alongside. ORBX in general is too expensive, and the cost of small airports needs to be considered to attract sales. I am a GA pilot primarily.
Thanks for your views, shared by many I believe. Take care.
Definitely worth having a look at smaller airports! ...
I'm from Scotland living in Germany but at the moment i'm loving the Alaskan and Norwegian area's and have some of the "enhanced" airport's like Alesünd and Notodden as well as a couple of "Bush" airfield addons
So i certainly enjoy the smaller more " unique" addons..
Good review, I like all types of airfield/ Airports, My home airfield Lilydale in Melbourne was a free add-on from Orbix with the Australian scenery and was very well done for FSX, I miss those airfields with the new Simulator and hope Orbix will do Australian airports again. I agree with you Mark, I love hangers that you can go into. There was one for Seattle that was done for FSX had all the Boeing airfields/plants with views inside the main assembly hangers. I would certainly buy small airfields in my own country or really interesting ones outside of it. The three versions of MSFS have a large cost to up-grade, I originally went for the premium Deluxe but realized my PC specs were not good enough. The cost of upgrading is pretty expensive and I wonder why MS do not allow parts of the upgrades to be bought, there are only a few things that I would really want , one aircraft and London Heathrow ?
Thanks for commenting
Right off the bat, pleasant demeanor. Subbed.
Thanks Ron. 👍
I fly general aviation almost exclusively, so for me, the larger airports give me far less bang for the buck, because I rarely fly into any airport that large jets fly into.
Mark, yet again another balanced informed video. I really love this channel. Presented by a decent guy, great work.
billy M kirkwood , hi Billy, thank you for your support, it means a lot ! 😃👍
@@SimHangerFS no worries Mark, my pleasure.. im in the twilight zone of flight sim at this time. I am saving up for a PC upgrade yet since I moved house I have less space for my set up right now!! Very depressing indeed . I have everything I need when I finally do get that space again apart from the upgrade 😭😭 I really badly want to own MSFS. Im still in to minds to go for the 3 series nvidea or stay with the 2 series as it will be cheaper.. but the 3 series is excellent priced also! Hmmm.
billy M kirkwood , hi Billy, look at the RTX 3070. Best value. Regards
@@SimHangerFS thankyou it had very much crossed my mind for price and technology value now compared to the 20 series 👍👍 appreciated input 😎
Mark, another awesome video thanks you for your insights on the channel.
As an ex Microsoft employee, I managed to pick up a copy of MS FS Premium Deluxe this week and installed it overnight (boy it took ages). I have to admit, I’m impressed and frustrated at the same time. However, I will not pass comment until I’ve had much longer to play with the new sim. Default EGPF is pretty darn good for a default airport but I still expect I’ll be spending a few quid with Gary @ UK2000 before the year is out. Glasgow was just autopen so not great but hey: I’m used to True Earth on P3D. Where the sim really impressed me was around my own town of Strathaven, where our little airfield (where I fly from) is there and again the default scenery isn’t too bad at all. The local windfarms were not really depicted that well and with Lanarkshire having more windfarms than any other county in Europe, I guess we’ll still have to wait on Orbx working their magic. What was disappointing and where I shut down MSFS was the poor detail around Edinburgh. Two default bridges, instead of the three iconic bridges? Even FSX had the two original bridges.
So, back to your awesome video: I think our community is spread quite evenly: some enjoying the tube liners and others enjoying low and slow. I therefore think small airport scenery has its place and I know I’ll buy up airports large and small across the UK when they’re available because I do love to fly VFR around this beautiful part of the world, as much as I love the study level tube liners. And, this is where MSFS will conquer the future (in my opinion). As you rightly said in this video: MFS has a much, much, much, much higher base platform to start with, the add-ons will be cheaper and without a doubt make this sim what it is and what it will become over the next ten+ years.
Keep up the god work my friend. You add so much value to this great community. Graeme
Liv'n The Dream , I know your part of the world and I will take a flight over there soon...you have tempted me 😁 Thanks for your support. Regards
Hi, i'm been a flight simmer since the days of Microsoft FS98. The basic sim was exactly that, so the addition of a third party photorealistic airport really did help the level of immersion, as did the appearance satellite ground imagery some years later. If you are primarily into flying the larger commerical aircraft then a small airport scenery makes little or no sense, although it could be argued that you don't really need detailed enroute ground imagery at 35,000ft either. The immersion really comes on that final approach to an airport - of any size. Who wants to see a flat and empty world on a final approach. The smaller airports/airfields are only value for money if these are on routes you regularly fly between. An airport you might only ever fly into once or twice is not Value for Money. The developers of these add-ons generally know their market, the likes of ORBX airfields/airports previously being scenery sold in X-Plane.
I did indeed enjoy the purpose and presentation of this exploratory video. Its introduction of the discussion of small airport cost versus experience enhancement is most welcome. I attended a group flight last night with pilots from msFLIGHTS.net terminating at KBCE. Its flight lead, gamertag Waterman, had just purchased Bryce Canyon and was very happy with the rendering and the price. Several pilots on that flight, seeing Waterman's screenshots of KBCE, determined to purchase the airport thru Orbx direct.
I personally think the price is fair for the obvious quality of the work. I have seen other small payware airports earlier in this sim's release that I did not think worth the money being asked. I will agree with those who suggest clusters of small airports, whether sold separately or in bundles. Bryce Canyon lends itself to excursion to Zion National Park as well as the in-video mentioned Grand Canyon. Our group flight was from Las Vegas area to KBCE, VFR sightseeing.
Thanks Mark and thank you, Mr. Hall, for the work and the explanatory post.
ROBERT DUNN 2 , wonderful comments, thank you. 😁
Thanks for the great feedback it makes me feel good knowing you guys flew in there. I also would like to do a group of airports as a pack, all I need is photos, anyone who can supply photos it would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Ken
Kindly make video on handcrafted airport in premium edition Vs standard airport in standard version of MSFS.
I prefer ga flying and so these hand-crafted airfields are much appreciated. I know from firsthand experience how much time they take to build and so I’m happy to pay the asking price.
I’ll certainly get this. I can also recommend C16 Frasca Field.
There’s nothing wrong in the way MSFS generated the world. It’s impressive. But in the detail it falls short. Those details are the smaller and regional airports. This also is only logical. It takes a lot of effort to create the amount of detail in every airport like a ORBX does. I will certainly spend money on the small airstrips from third parties, because they add to the feeling of flying. In my country only one airport is handmade. I fly GA aircraft (single engine) . I’ll never use the large airports, so I appreciate the small airports a lot.
Thanks Mark. I'm very impressed with your professionalism. Are you a journalist by trade?
I've subscribed to make sure I get your next informative sequel!
Wayne Freestun , thanks for your comments. No, not a journalist. Thanks for the sub 😁 Regards
In my many years in the simulation hobby, I’ve spent a LOT of money on third party scenery software, mostly from ORBX. The scenery in MSFS2020 is certainly a step-up from simulation platforms of the past. However, given my use of flight simulation primarily as a training tool for my job as an airline pilot, I’ve decided to limit my purchase of third party scenery in MSFS2020 to those larger airports where my company has hubs and airports that the company uses in simulator training. I may indulge in purchasing those airports that I owned in previous sims platforms and am offered discounts as a previous owner. In fact, I’ve already done so with KMIA (my real world home base), KDEN and KORD. I’m currently looking for the release of KDFW, KSEA, KRNO, KIAH, KSNA, and KDCA. My company uses these airports in simulator training. While I mentioned my use of flight simulation primarily as a training tool, I have to say that I’m thoroughly enjoying MSFS2020 recreationally. It’s simply beautiful! I’m really looking forward to the release of VR for MSFS2020!
With all the hype it's had I though Microsoft had created the ultimate flight simulator,now we are already talking about add on's.
Bet the Bryce Canyon scenery lasts longer than the 3 cups of coffee, Mark! There are some really high quality airports either available, or on 'final', and purchase is always at the discretion of the buyer. BUT! I have seen some absolute shockers around the US$ 10 to US$20 bracket that really look like they are releases from primary schools, so, buyer beware! All published advertisers pictures need really close examination. Thank you, and as always, stay well.
Patrick Smith , hi Patrick, thanks for sharing your views, I agree with you 👍
Hi Mark,
thanks very much for this great review.
Since I've finally finished to build my new FS computer wich I fired up yesterday I think I'll install those little gems made by Orbx ASAP. I flew my first flight with MSFS today, it's absolutely stunning. Hope to see you in flight if it's possible.
Sincerely yours.
Look forward to flying with you one day :)
I think you make valid points Mark, it beats me why addon anything for P3D / X plane are so expensive still?
Like you I would invest in such VFR airports for the immersion factor. Good review Mark Thanks B/R Charlie
Hi Mark, thanks for the video, fun to watch. I also like that type of flying, but there is so much on offer OOB that I wouldn't pin myself down to one airport, to "make back" the investment. Looks like the runway and taxi area are very similar, but buildings make the diff. For me, a 90/10 effort for a 10/90 purpose. I'd consider paying $5 if they gave me 5 small, attractive airports.
georgesiebes , fair comment, different simmers, different expectations. 👍
I like to buy small ones for detail, animated people etc. For flyin GA airplanes. Then, if flying jets you would buy bigger ones for gates etc. KFAY and small ones I bougt in thw a4ea down through Florida give you places to land making rhe realism stick more along routes. 😊
Best value, IMHO, are ORBX's English airfields, once they start releasing for this platform. They are all very close together, super immersive, and, if you like flying England's green and pleasant land, you'll get a lot of use out of them.
hypercide ,hi I have Wycombe coming up in a few weeks 😁 review and short hop to Connington. Regards
I’m all for payware add-on airports, and I enjoy the smaller GA airports in remote areas for VFR as well as the bigger hubs for IFR. I do however think that the pricing levels for the smaller GA airports should be somewhat less for MSFS as the default surrounds and PR terrain are already there (as you have mentioned and demonstrated in the video). It seems that this is the case but I think for a really small 2 to 3 building airport like this, the pricing is still just a little too high for what you are getting (albeit as great as it is). I think the range of US$ 5 to 8 would seal the deal for me. Coffee in South Africa is thankfully quite a bit less than overseas - so still about 3 coffees worth in South Africa @ US$2 each. 😉 thanks again for an enjoyable and relevant topic.
Rhett Kelly , hey Rhett, great to hear from you again and thanks for sharing your views. Regards
Yeah...
It all depends on how often you would use a particular airport...
Take KCBE, If you buy it and land once, it has cost you £10:00
If you land at it 10 times it has cost £1:00...
50 landings, then it has cost 20p per landing...
This is how I work out weather a a payware addon is worth the cash or not...
For example, my local airport is BRISTOL UK EGGD...
I would buy this airport, weather I fly it often or not, so would be breaking my own rule just on this occasion!
Sadly I don't think there is one!
Frank...
Frank James , hi Frank, check out UK2000 www.uk2000scenery.co.uk/products2
I would love to buy it but like you said I’m just not sure how often I would fly into it.
I think they're only worthwhile if it's a airport you've flown from/to in real life. I purchased Wycombe Air Park because that's where I got my PPL. Happy at the price.
One point in your video: shouldn't you richen the mixture for landing (or at least 'warm' the engine if field elevation is similar to departure airport)?
Colin Dyckes , hi Colin, the landing elevation was 7600’ so mixture set to max rpm only, the landing part of the video was edited (shortened) for the sake of brevity. Thanks for watching, much appreciated. Regards
Hi Mark, nice to see you on YT again and you've raised an interesting question here! Personally I have just thrown my lot in with MSFS2020 and have taken the bold step of completely archiving X-Plane 11 and all of the addons that I've purchased over recent years. I firmly believe that with constant development, MSFS will be the way forward and in that respect, I'm very pleased to see that third party scenery packages are being made available at a pretty low cost. Having said that, would I still buy them given how good the default scenery is? Maybe I would, but only if the quality was really there and only for airports of particular interest and/or those in the UK where I live. Keep up the good work Mark :-)
Paul Fisher , hi Paul, thanks for commenting. 👍
Good explanation for us to decide. Thanks Mark.
I'm strictly a GA pilot, I have little interest in trying to emulate the feel of flying an Airbus 320. I fly my simulated GA planes pretty much domestically, and while I may sometimes choose to fly, say, LAX to Catalina Island, it's the Catalina experience that I'm most interested in. LAX, of course, is already one of the included handcrafted terminals in MSFS, and that's nice, but I wouldn't pay extra for the enhancement... I wouldn't know the difference, anyway. I think I would be more likely to pay for a small airport (yeah, Catalina, I guess), or perhaps one that I have actually flown to (I'm glad Sedona is already included) rather than a large airport.
Charles DeVore , we think alike! 👍
Were doing Catalina now, stay tuned
Check nexus mode. Catalina upgrade is free to download. I used to fly cargo out there 5 times a day from Long Beach.
@@buikhan I have looked at it , our version is 100 times more detailed the runway slope is spoton with the real world profile, Avalon harbour has the tuna club, yatch club,the waterfront restaurant, fishermans wharf, wrigleys house, the main wharf, pebbly beach helipa with buffao inn restaurant and island helicopters, plus much more at pebbly beach, thr two harbours area has been totally upgraded with the reataurant, and the big jetty, including the crane, the Wigleys dive centre has been accurately modelled even the skuba tanks and the jetty all done, did I mention that every jetty has been modelled, even the Nautilus sub has been modelled and tied up at fishermans wharf, the Airport itself has been completely remodelled in extremely high detail with all PBR textures, right down to the bolts holding the timbers together. custom vegetation. I'm just pointingout that there is a huge difference between the freeware and the payware version. and I am in no way critisizing the freeware version, just pointing out that the payware version has hundreds of man hours in making it. I have lost count of the number of texture sheets used, well over 300 and still counting. this is a complete package of the whole Island .
cheers
Great video, thanks. I've been an Orbx fan for ther past 12 years, and continue to be so. On a pointer of the scenery, it seems somewhat 'cheap' to sacrifice the interior of the hangar and use low resoulution textures. I suspect most people would want to taxi into the hangar at some point and some maybe regulalry. Being surrounded by low res textures I think is disappointing. Having said that, I fly regulalry with both the NGX out of big airports in P3D and now GA in MSFS2020, so building a collection of good looking payware GA/bush airports in this new and exciting sim, is on my agenda.
Howard Rockliffe , on the interior of the hanger, raise the question with the developer, Ken, his comment is pinned to the top of this comments section. Regards
while you were rolling into the hangar, I could see the mushy textures they used (again)... when will they learn to use good quality textures for their buildings like asobo did. It already was a major downer for the London scenery...
Definitely won't go for ORBX, sry
Interesting to see the difference between the default and the payware airports, but I have to say that I would agree with your friend that they aren’t worth it for me. Other than a few airports with my virtual airline, I really don’t fly in and out of the same places all the time. So far the attraction for me in the sim is being able to go anywhere. So it doesn’t matter that much to me if the airport on either end of my journey is just passable rather than a work of art. I would probably visit Bryce Canyon a few times and then explore other parts of the world, maybe only returning very occasionally.
Paul Kroeger , hi Paul, fair comment and yes KBCE would not represent value for you.
I can honestly say that I spent over $2 grand in addons for FS9/FSX/P3D.
DCS I have every module except for a few Russian planes + all their regions. My guess is I am rapidly approaching $1000 in it.
I have the full TM Warthog HOTAS including their high end rudder pedals. Of course a NASA computer to run it.
I flew IRL 30+ yrs before losing my medical. Simming is a great hobby and I enjoyed every penny I spent.
JIMJAMSC , you and me too 😁👍
Hi Mark, great review. I have to agree with you, I love flying ga and flying into small airports. I would buy add on airports if they were where I fly. Thanks John
John Ambler , thanks for your feedback 😁
Can someone please tell me why I'm seen the default scenery instead of the FS2020 scenery? I already went to "Data" and deleted the "cache", and still have the default scenery (no more satellite scenery) please help...
Interesting video and cool registration number on the 172 which suits your channel very well😁👍🏻. How did you manage that?
Lorentz Lindholm , hi, you can set your own registration for all default aircraft I believe. From the world map click on your aircraft in top right hand, then click on ATC OPIONS...add your tail number! 😁
SimHanger Flight Simulation That’s great! I will definitely try that... Thanks Mark👍🏻
Hi There, great video as usual, very concise, I have purchased many of the airports from Orbx as they are more detailed compared to the originals, but this brings me on to a point that I have come across on forums and on the internet that users cannot seem to grasp or get there head arround and I can't seem to find a video on youtube that I can point them too, so maybe someone reading this could help.
This video clearly shows Bryce Canyon from Orbx and the original Bryce Canyon from Asobo, and the question I see posted the most is that users are seeing aanomalies in both graphics of buildings and performance, I think this comes down to users not knowing weather to delete the asobo version and then install the Orbx version or have them both running at the same time, case in point is a recent Froogle video showing Innsbruck -- title here (MSFS HOW TO: FIX BROKEN SCENERY) he showed how installing a new scenery on top of the original scenery causes problems, now I have found this myself on some newer sceneries but not all, my case in point is YSSY by flyTAMPA, this can be installed and both files can be run together with no problems. But which is the best way to do it, add a new addon airport and delete original, or have both running together, there just does not seem to be a video pointing this out for new comers to the sim, I always delete the Asobo file before adding a newer scenery of the same type, but what do you all think is the best way to do it, I think some clarity needs adding.
Hi Jason, my understanding (and this is more an assumption than anything else so I stand to be corrected) is in MSFS if the add on is a DLC based scenery package, and most are, you should install over the top of the Asobo scenery as the scenery is likely to utilise some assets or data from the base files. I have had occasion in P3D and Xplane where I have had to delete the base files, and in FSX it was fairly common occurrence. Regards
Thank you for the video.
I wish you could place an order for specific airport scenery, that would rightly cost more than 10 quid. My default home airport has all structures pancaked, it’s just sad.
Jim Mitchell , sorry to hear that, hopefully one of the world updates in the future might address this. Regards
"Small Airports | Are They Worth Paying For?" Only if you fly that area a lot...
As Stanly Unwin once said "deep joy" lol 👍
I am annoyed at the lack of ATC at smaller airports/strips so that a simple call of intent to land doesn't receive a reply of any kind.When I've landed I can't ask for taxiing to parking.I hope either Microsoft or a plugin will cure this soon.................
Russell Harris , agreed....frustrating.
@@SimHangerFS I'm also not amused by the amount of aircraft that have "glass cockpits." In order to make any sense of them I would have to be zoomed in so close that I wouldn't really be doing VFR,but IFR.So at my preferred viewing distance I have to fly by instinct,I prefer normal analogue instruments that are easily read for VFR so am stuck with the Cessna 152.......................................
Most small airports do not have ATC in real life.
@@daleevans3250 I'm sure that's true in many cases,but not all.The locaL airport I fly to does in real life,but not in FSX or MSFS.......
Well if you ask me they are well worth paying for.
No disrespect to Simhangar but Skip to 8 minutes guys if you want to get straight to the point.
3 cup of coffeee !!!
I have never seen somebody entering in an hangar this way in real life. It's too dangerous. Wings damage almost sure in real life, and aircraft are really expensive to repair.
at this stage, many airports are average but ok. if much rather pay for a pack to fix scenery. sports stadiums, castles etc are truly awful. i’d pay to get them fixed first.
I got ole BWI 1935
I'm sorry Mark, but I must disagree with you. Orbx aren't developing new scenery for MSFS 2020, they are only converting it from previous simulators. This is clearly visible if you look at the London scenery package. Because of the excellent default scenery from MSFS 2020, this was a downgrade, not an enhancement. It was obviously a scam. This has led me to be very weary of their packages in future. From reading other comments, I'm not the only one to think so. I like your videos, and your advice gets followed, often to my advantage. Thanks.
Valid view 😁 thanks for watching
I will gladly pay for good quality scenery content, but i think the pricing of the scenery and airports should reflect the amount of detail and work put into it. Big international airports like the Suvarnabhumi in Thailand as an example of the should of course be higer than the smaller regional ones etc. In the case of Bryce canyon airport, that one is overpriced. Its priced almost as high as big one. Thats a no go for me. I think The bryce airport should be priced the same as the Key west airport. Thats a fair price. Orbx over priced this one .
David Neraas , hi David, fair comment, we all have different views and expectations. Thanks for watching. Regards
Do you really pay £3.33 for a cup of copy? I can get 5 pints of real ale at my local Wetherspoons for that and some change.
alrafter 😂🤣😂
@@SimHangerFS I wonder what a cup of copy is. Damn keyboard 😀😀🙂🙂
Is anybody out there anxious to see dune buggies?
I'm on the ground for such a short time I decided to stop buying airports.
Lost all my comments again !
No I didn't, idiot !
1 hour into MSFS and finding Wellesbourne Mountford, Wolverhampton/Halfpenny Green and Coventry/Baginton didn't have active control towers, I got an immediate refund from Steam.
MSFS don't care much for small airfields. This is GAME for kids who want to be an airline pilot.
Don't take it too serious, it's an 'Aeroplane flying Game'.