Magical trick for gating out cymbal bleed w/ Beau Burchell of SAOSIN
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- Beau Burchell of Saosin shares his ninja method of using stock plugins + some phase cancelling magic to gate out cymbal bleed in a super powerful yet flexible way.
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This tutorial just saved the mix I am working on, literally.
This trick is brilliant. A great transparent fix to a common problem.
My literal reaction was "holy fuck, that is brilliant!"
Hahaha same🎉
got that trick from Nolly, awesome especially for the Glenn Fricker types (people who basically try to avoid sample augmenting/replacing especially the shells' close mic)
Good trick, but multiband compressor works better in this example. Phase cancellation method made it sound like snare with snare strainer turned off.
Update year later: both methods actually working pretty well, especially if you set Pro-MB to Linear Phase mode and dial in 5ms lookahead.
and another year later, did you stop using linear phase due to pre-ringing? Or still use it?
@@JParryPhotography actually what's weird for me, Pro-MB doesn't have pre-ringing in linear phase mode, and I tried to push this plugin to an extreme settings (maximum filter slopes, hard knee, 100 to 1 ratio, zero attack and release) in compress and expand modes. I tested this as soon as I saw your comment :D
@@nickcollins9893 hm, I'm yet to find a linear phase setup that doesn't, but who cares! As the saying goes, if it sounds good, it is good! :D Keep rocking' it buddy!
Beau is so great. One of the best mixers and teachers to ever appear on NTM
Does make sense and works well! The thing is to get the principle of duking and phase cancelation. You can use it understanding the variables in many ways. This is one great way!
I still come back to this video when I can't get my gates to work right to remind myself that everything is going to be okay.
Dude, you saved my mix. Since I was starting to produce this album, I was seeking THAT SNARE SOUND, I tried everything and only this tutorial gave me what I wanted. Thank you A LOT
Fluff is in the background of so many of these!
This is the one time going to CZcams in the middle of a mix has helped me
And here I was thinking that you were going to slide the duplicate backward like 20ms, then use it as the key to side chain the gate on the keeper snare track. It resolves that problem you were having with the clickiness of the gate opening because it opens the gate faster than the actual snare track can do it. But I like this method a lot and I definitely learned something new!
or just get a gate with preopen
Fluff's just sitting there taking it al in! love it!
Still one of the best tricks I think for cymbal bleed, thank you!
I used Slates fg 401 compressor and the custom series eq and this trick worked great for me. I've been duplicating tracks with various noise gates set at different times and it works fairly well. But this works so much better. Great tip!
Holy shit this trick is something I just tired for the first time and I will remeber forever. Thanks for sharing!!!
Incredibly smart
These blew my mind 😮 thank you!! My preferred method would be the 1st trick. Compression + EQ & polarity switch = phase cancellation 🎉
Fantastic! Great explaination, totally doable, and will try it for sure
Yeah this is one of the greatest production tricks ever. Thank you.
This is mind blowing! Thank you for sharing.
Awesome trick! That's some knowledge
I just tried this on a mix, it really is magical
Wow, I just tried this method and it works very well. Thanks for the tip!
I do this with X-Noise
Learn the curve on a loop that's just lets say hi-hat
and then apply the removal effect on the whole track.
Absolutely amazing tutorial.. thank you SO much
If you combine this with another popular tech - Wade's Dream Gate - you end up with really nice and bright, crisp transients.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you phase cancel all the cymbal frequencies, you also cancel all the high end frequencies in the toms as well. Also, this is not at all how the Fabfilter Pro MB trick works. If you want to do the FF Pro MB trick but don't want to spend $200, download the Nova plugin from TDR. It's free and can do pretty much the same thing as the Pro MB.
Why would you be cancelling high-end frequencies in the toms? This is a technique applied solely to the snare top close mic in this example.The cymbals and toms aren't going anywhere, he's just taking them out of the snare track...
I tried it setting the threshold setting wasn't going well, maybe my plugins. But your idea helped me to come up with an idea. Duplicate the snare inverse one put a gate on one, than set the gate so all you hear is the bleed that you don't want including the "shhh" at the end of the snare. Than mute the one without a gate, it's really precise gating for my ears anyways.
This is FUCKING GENIUS and worked way better for me than Beau's trick. I pretty much did exactly Beau's trick except I replaced his compressor on the duplicated track, with Logic's built-in gate set as a ducker. Flawless!
I didnt get this right...hmm
The gate from the fab filter in ducker mode instead of the compressor also works fine
Oh man, that is great. Gotta try it and compare to my methods
This is absolute gold.
Awesome trick! I've been using this since I saw this video.
Hm, why not just use a gate plugin with a filtered sidechain. Or increase the "lookahead" on the multiband compressor?
Awesome tricks 🔥🔥🔥
duplicate track and nudge back xx milliseconds side chain to Pro-MB so theres no swiissshh
Nope, you'll hear the swish a millisecond before the snare and that's way worse
this is unbelievably smart
This is awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks so very much for this tip!!!!!!
Awesome trick
Can everyone not hear that along with reducing the cymbal bleed it also takes away a good deal of the high end from the snare? (Which the Fab Filter trick does not). 🤔
I think most people aren’t listening on studio monitors but yes, this trick has destroyed the tone of the drum every time I’ve tried it.
THIS IS A GAME CHANGER
BrillIant! Classic!
Great trick!
Great trick! Thank you!!!
Use a linear phase eq and peak compression though
Late on comments; use waves C1 as it has look ahead on the comp
great tip..thnx!!!
Hey! There's Fluff again!
awesome trick !!!!!!
just find new meaning of my life !!!
thank you
Incredibly efficient! Thanks!
well, this is just like spectral gating in my book. Just put a filter on the sidechain and optionally use the preopen parameter from your gate.... or am I missing something??
Trying to figure out if I can modify and use this technique to get excess cymbal and snare out of a live vocal track and keep the vocal sounding decent.
Anyone else NOT getting the same outcome he has?
it wasn't working for me in reaper, i put the comp at the end of the chain, then it worked. /shrug YMMV
@@jherman Interesting, I'll give it a shot!
So what is the problem with the Multiband only?))
If adjust attack to pass snare hi frequencis
from 5 to 10 ms
and thats all i think
I wish I bought the subscription in time to get this. I love this album so much.
URM Academy Awesome!! Thank you
Pretty cool. Would this work for trying to take bleed out of a vocal mic in a live recording?
Probably not. This trick relies on the extreme attack and releasenof a drum hit. Vocals are usually the exact opposite
This is a sick trick, but as many times as I've watch this grainy video, I still have some confusion. Haha. He said we place a compressor before the eq's on which track, the original or the duplicate?
Genius
What about bringing in bleed from other shells into the snare from all the compression? There's no kick or toms being played so it works in this example, but I'm trying to think of how I'd apply this do a busy drum section? You smash a snare that hard and it turns into a room mic
Yeah! This is actually what midi means.
Does the phase have to flipped in there in the eq plugin to just cancel out the part that is high passed?
Dayummmmm
sick!!!!
Best magic trick ever! You should audition in XFactor and beat the s**t out them!
Would this work on Guitar tracks that have drums bleeding in aswell?
G E N I U S
you blend them in after u say?
In the mix this gated track sound like a crap..how do you extend snare and make it natural?
Zvonimir Sarcevic Some ideas...samples? room mics?
gates that have noise floor like FabFilter Pro-G really helps if you don't want total silence, which also helps on letting those finicky ghost notes cut through.
wouldn't better initial recording with better mic choice and placement to avoid picking up as much spill in the first place be better???
yes but that aint the case right here
te amo
But that changes how that snare is sounding after adding phase flipped track🙄
Fluff!
Why is Anthony Green in the thumbnail? lol
Can we use the Same Technique On Toms ??
he did it on this same video wtf
You can just cut and fade the Tom tracks.
Anyone still here? Not working for me ...
For some reason when I add the high-pass, it adds a crackling noise to the snare. Anyone know how to fix that? I 've been playing around but can't figure it out
Probably because you use a linear phase EQ, which adds some pre-ringing effect
I clicked for snare bleed not to end up with a tittle called cymbal bleed
...aaand you killed your snare high end.
Marius Strand if you watched til the end, you will learn how he bring back the top end
but the snare lost its clarity
neat-o
guy in the background looks bored af lol
Well I for sure does not make it work..
Give credit to Mannie Fresh cuz this is his ‘trick’.
And the end result is... the worst snare sound I've ever heard in my life.
Stop castrating your overheads and you won’t need to do as much of this surgical trickery.
This. Absolutely this. Every time I try this trick with toms, it just goes all nasty and distorted. I personally prefer to use Drumatom to isolate as much drum as possible (kicks, snares, and toms) and use that signal to key a multi-band EQ like Izotope Neutron's.
So much messing around, just use DeBleeder, quicker, easier, better
the point of the trick is that you do it with whatever comes in your DAW
Gate..........why is this even a thing. You just gate it
and either get a high end spike every time it opens or cut the snare too short.
This in essence IS using a gate: just in a more specific, much more functional way for the task.
lol, how non musicians and computer people approach music... everything is an equation on paper...and then it sounds like life gets pulled out of it. Just record it right.
Love ya