Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal TIER LIST - Which Pokemon are the Best to Use In-Game?
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- čas přidán 7. 08. 2024
- In this video, I'll be taking a look at all 251 Pokemon in Pokemon Gold, Silver, and Crystal, and ranking them based on how helpful they'll be in your typical playthrough of the games. Which Pokemon will make it to S tier? Which ones are stuck in F? Find out, and lemme know what you think in the comments!
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro/What does "in game viability" mean?
3:12 Starters, Routes 29-31, Route 46, Dark Cave
17:35 Violet City, Routes 32-33, Union Cave
27:55 Ilex Forest, Slowpoke Well, Route 34
38:19 Goldenrod City, Routes 35-37, National Park
43:24 Ecruteak City, Burned Tower, Ruins of Alph (post Surf)
54:50 Routes 38-41, Olivine City, Routes 42-43, Mt. Mortar
1:01:32 Routes 44-45, Ice Path, Whirl Islands
1:07:57 Blackthorn City, Routes 26-27, Victory Road
1:10:34 Kanto, Unobtainable Pokemon - Hry
Geodude/graveler solos first 4 gyms. It should be a
Shuckle learning sweet scent via egg move implies that it's a naturally nice smell. You aren't exactly going to teach a worm how to smell nice, but it possible you might find one that does.
You know, you make a good point!
What is the point of this video? The whole point is that it's based on the pov of crystal. But then for every pokemon you just say "the moves are bad" ..... So if thats a common theme for all Pokemon in the whole game, shouldn't the list be based around that? So most of your rankings are just artificially lower one tier, just because everything has bad moves. If everything jas bad moves, then everything DOESN'T have bad moves....?
Nice tier list. Ranking a selection of Gen 2's scope definitely isn't something I'd wish on anyone. The main big thing I'd do differently at the top of my head is crank Feraligatr higher. The Special Attack stat is hard to ignore for sure, but has a useful tool for most stints of the game, especially early on. Rage can make short work of the first three gyms, Fury Cutter can let it cheese the infamous Silver fight, Headbutt comes in when Rage starts to decay, and being your starter will mean that Return is likely to be great when you get it. Water and Normal also cover each other's bases; meaning that Surf and Return will get you by for most of the game. Lots of "what about-isms" I know, but I thought I'd just drop my two cents.
Looking forward to seeing a Hoenn one.
God, yeah, editing this was Fun. It felt like such a slog for the longest time, because there's over 130 fully evolved Pokemon to tier. Actually streaming it wasn't so bad, though.
I've done a bit of homework - the Hoenn Pokedex is thankfully smaller at just under 110 fully evolved mons, so... that's a slight improvement, at least.
I can confirm from personal experience that you do not need 16 badges for celebi I got mine for heading to kanto.
Nice, glad to get some confirmation on that - thank you!
I've been looking forward to this for ages.
Sorry it took so long, but better late than never, I suppose!
Feraligatr in B? Joke.
Flareon in B, while Espeon's in C and Vaporeon's in D? Bigger joke.
indeed. Feraligatr has a mid moveset that is specially dominated with a mid SpAtk stat and a slightly respectable Atk stat that is vastly underutilized by that shitty ass physical move pool.
Vaporeon is fucking bulky with a respectable SpAtk stat that it can actually utilize because it accesses moves.
Feraligatr belongs in B honestly. Vaporeon, Espeon, and Umbreon no way though.
I’ve used an Ariados in Crystal. While it’s not a great Pokémon, I’d argue it does deserve C tier. Curse and Agility actually make it capable of setting up, and Sludgebomb means it can actually make use of a STAB move. Alternatively, Toxic + Night Shade + Double team is a decent stall set although you have to wait for the postgame to use it. Plus the fact that EVs haven’t replaced stat experience at this point in the series means that base 60 special attack isn’t as bad as it seems, so Psychic and Giga Drain are kind of usable if you don’t have any other Pokémon that can use the Giga Drain TM. Not gonna win any awards, but at the very least, Ariados isn’t gonna hold you back like Beedrill or Furret. Low C, but I think it’s still C. Only reason I used it was because I found a full odds shiny Spinarak in the virtual console release of Crystal. It definitely exceeded my expectations.
Those are definitely some good points you bring up! I just personally feel that moves like Toxic, Curse, Psychic, Giga Drain - those are all only obtainable in Kanto, which is... definitely a smaller part of the game than Johto. So I, personally, don't find *as much* value in those moves, even though they are good choices for Ariados!
At least they're all obtainable fairly easily once you do reach Kanto, so you're able to make use of them for a decent majority of the region.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug Assuming you’re leveling at the rate the game expects you to, you’re at or past Goldenrod when it evolves. That means access to Dig and Return. Night Shade is also available to you at level 17.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug Nobody's forcing you to use it. If you don't like it you can ignore it. But you can get multiple copies of Return, and of the Pokemon that can learn Dig at that point, only Graveler, Sudowoodo, Sandslash, and Quagsire can use it more effectively. Sudowoodo isn't winning any awards either. If you're playing Silver, Sandslash is unavailable. Graveler has Magnitude, and Quagsire learns Earthquake at level 35, so there isn't really a point to teaching it to them. Arcanine is only available before Kanto in Crystal, and is not in silver at all, and You have to evolve Croconaw into Feraligatr for it to have a higher attack stat than Ariados.
Edit: I forgot to mention Granbull which might be the only thing worth teaching dig to at that point.
crobat doesnt learn sluge bomb in gen 2 unfortunately
Dammit. Thanks for letting me know!
Gen3 next man! Enjoyed the video
Glad to hear! Gen 3 next is definitely the plan!
Bro forgot to add a "SEA" Tier for all the mid water mons
I think you underestimate how much of a nightmare it is to train Wobb, I used one once awhile back in a Crystal playthrough, it it was a massive pain in the butt to train it at all, had to slap EXP share on it to keep it decently leveled
You really don't need to level up Wobbuffet that much, that's the thing. I did a low level run of Crystal, and it's able to take a hit from Red's Pokemon and OHKO in return while being in the mid to upper 30s, level wise.
You don't necessarily need to keep it *that* low a level, but you don't need to give it *that* much experience, either.
@@yukihoshikawa I dunno, Its still kinda a mess and not all that effective in comparison to say, using a hypno and just kinda spamming hypnosis and pound to cheese everything. Yeah sure the AI is dumb, and you can cheese some super bosses with counter tricks, but every single regular trainer is kinda a massive slog
Got to disagree on wobbuffet, yeah you can get some kills, and while not bad competitively, its absolutely horrendous in-game imo.
What do you want from an in-game mon? Fast, strong hits, with wobbuffet you need to take hits, all the time, and that includes status, you are going to the pokemon center, all the time.
Now, why do that when you can ohk things with actual damaging moves? D-tier.
I understand where you're coming from with fast and strong Pokemon being king, although I do feel that the "constant trips to the Pokemon Center" is overblowing things a little bit - you DO have healing items you pick up and buy. That should help mitigate things.
The thing with Wobbuffet is that it can look unappealing, but once you use it, you see it has the potential to be very funny. I used one in a low level run of Crystal, and I was able to beat Red with a level 30-something Wobbuffet able to take a hit and OHKO in return.
It definitely requires more thought and care to use than most other Pokemon, between needing to select the right countering move (although, there's no physical/special split in gen 2, so it's not super tricky to select the right move or anything), plus keeping it at a bit of a low level for maximum effect. It's not one of the best things in the game, and I'm not gonna say it should be on everyone's team or anything, but I personally think if people decide to be different and use it, they'll be pleasantly surprised.
It's definitely one of, if not the spiciest take on the list, though, so I totally understand disagreement.
How is even possible to feraligator be at tier B, i played for the first time pokemon crystal and just solo the entire game with him. The only part that was almost impossible was beat RED without using potions or revives, i had to use raiku and dragonite on this battle, sometimes i remember his snorlax killing my feraligator and my dragonite being the hero of the team
on the rare occasion I use heracross in gen 2, i always make sure it can learn hidden power fighting
Your mother can also buy you a moon stone.
and in gs your only element stones are kurts dads stones, dupe them, or they're 1 per playthrough, in crystal they're trainer only, but you can *modcheck* only take their number (same with swarms) change to DST or not DST with your mother and have a 50% chance of a phonecall.
crystal electabuzz goes hard (and gets ice punch which ampharos, does not), best odd egg mon bar hitmonlee, magmar is also decent, if only because a Typhlosion enjoyer won't get fire+thunder punch until being a Typhlosion.
starmie is kinda garbo without the postgame moves tbh, it simply just surf
poor crystal ho-oh.
Raticate is actually pretty good, I would put him in A tier. Base speed of 97 put it in the top 15% fastest pokemon in gen 2. You can get Rattata in the first grass patch of the game, it can learn Hyper Fang at lvl13 ! wich is one of the best normal moves of the game as well as other good moves such as shadow ball, toxic. And his base 81 attack is decent. Players look down on it because it's an ugly rat but to be fair it is very good in most playthrough.
The bump up to B tier for electabuzz was appropriate. Magmar however should’ve stayed in C.
I’m surprised Electabuzz isn’t in S, it gets all three elemental punches which magmar and Jynx don’t get, it destroys all of Lance’s team because it can outspend everything besides Aerodactyl, which doesn’t even have earthquake this gen so electabuzz can survive any attack besides a lucky ancient power boost but that’s rare. Slap on a nevermeltice and Lance just falls easily. It also gets thunder wave which isn’t as good as lovely kiss but paralysis can still be helpful in many situations and it is super effective against two of Red’s pokemon with stab which even a lot of high tier mons don’t have that luxury. Electabuzz is one of the best pokemon for a gen 2 playthrough especially Crystal but that’s the only gen 2 game where it’s obtainable before postgame sadly. I think he either didn’t use Electabuzz in a gen 2 playthrough or just forgot it learns ice punch because he didn’t mention it in his description which was very weird
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug I mean it makes sense to me, Electabuzz’s fists are a big part of its design. Compared to most things that get elemental punches (cough cough Alakazam) at least it has fists. It is also really cool that an electric type got good ground coverage before gen 4 ruined everything for the electabuzz line (Electivitre should’ve had 105 or more speed I still love it but it deserved so much better)
Pigeot is not a jack of all trades, its an 8 of spades of all trades.
Corsola with mirror coat one shots Lance´s Dragonite, cause Outrage is special in this gen, LOL
I love the end.. you get F tier, you get F tier lol. IMO, gen 2 get's F tier. I've played a couple ROM hacks that fix the balancing problems and encounters in gen 2. That's the only way I can play gen 2. Gen 2 games as they're originally made I find are the hardest to get enjoyment out of
I'm going to be honest here: Base 70 and higher for attacking stats is not terrible in gen 2. You can make things work with them and while you will obviously WANT to use a triple digit base attacking stat, base 70 is not as unusable as many may think. We are in a generation where power creep has not hit too hard yet.
With that being said, Typhlosion and Feraligatr do not belong in the same tier as Meganium, Feraligatr especially. It learns a myriad of good moves and can learn Ice Punch by TM as early as Totodile. Heck, I have used Ursaring and gave it Thunderpunch for coverage, and it worked.
I honestly question when the last time you played Gen 2 was because what we might consider completely terrible now was pretty respectable about a quarter of a century ago.
See, here's the thing that I, personally, have with gen 2. The level curve is godawful. I did a replay of Crystal not too long ago, and in a series where you can use a 5 or 6 man squad comfortably, I barely reach the low 40s upon reaching the Elite Four with 4 Pokemon in my team. One of them was even traded, meaning it earned 50% more experience. I even defeated every trainer and every wild Pokemon I ran into. You can get away with being underleveled a fair amount, but if I used a team of 5 or 6 like usual... it definitely would've required some elbow grease to get past the Elite Four. Because of that, I think being a bit more is justified.
I've definitely received a lot of feedback/criticism on this tier list, and I don't entirely disagree with a lot of it. I think gen 2 is probably the generation I'm the rustiest with, in terms of remembering how the game plays out and whatnot - I know with the starters, in particular, I wasn't entirely sure how to tier them.
I'm sorry to have delivered a disappointing video.
@@JustinWilliams-ed2ug Yeah, that's what I mean - you're still fighting Pokemon in the upper teens on the way to the 7th gym leader. I know it's because of the non-linear nature of Johto's map, but I find the level swings ridiculous and poorly designed. Kanto had a much more open world, but it didn't feel the need to weaken opposing trainers to be closer to the player's level.
Now I wanna hear more about your playthroughs, cuz while I was able to beat the game in the low 40s, I think adding a 5th Pokemon to my team would've made things... messier.
if you know how to manipulate it, evolution stones can be guarenteed from the calls.
I'd honestly love to hear more about this, because those damn evolution stones and their availability annoy me so much, lol.
@@yukihoshikawa you delete all other numbers besides the one trainer who gives the stone you want, then you go back home and change daylight savings to trigger a phone call.
Only in Crystal, notably. I'm playing through Gold rn and wanted to use Flareon, but no dice.
@@x54xHantamachine oh yeah, that does suck
i would never evolve clamperl. base 150 sp atk rocks
32 base speed, 35 base HP, 55 base Special Defense
As for the level curve, the levels of the Johto leaders/Elite 4 (and the late learnsets of many Pokemon) seem to have been made to take into account the Kanto segment of the game and the battle at Mount Silver. While the Kanto segment is nowhere near as dense content wise as Johto, it still has 8 gym leaders and a fair amount of battles and at Mt Silver (technically in Johto but whatever) Red's teams in in the mid 70's and 80.
As for the starters, your placement of them is mostly fair but I fell you underrated rated them slightly. Typhlosion's evolution at 36 its right around the level of Jasmines team, so you'll have it for the last few gyms and the Elite 4 which is when the game starts to get difficult. Also while its stats are same as Charizard's, Typhlosion has ThunderPunch, valuable coverage. that make the level 36 genuinely worth it.
Also Feraligatr's 79 special attack isn't that low since in Gen2 you can get DV's (Effort Values) in all your stats. Plus it evolves quite early at level 30. It even has early Surf + Ice Punch combo.
Part 3 please
Noctowl would be low B tier.
Noctowl gets confusion at level 41 but HOOTHOOT gets confusion at much earlier level.(Level 9-15 or something) Then you can just evolve it into noctowl later on
Hoothoot gets Confusion at level 34, unfortunately.
@@yukihoshikawa im playing pokemon crystal advanced not normal crystal and theyre probably different. In crystal adavnced, hoothoot learns confusion at 9-15
Love it gimmie gen III 👌🏻
Starmie is the best water pokemon problem is you can't get it tell Kanto part of the game because you don't get a water stone tell then
Hitmontop's learnset is really really bad in gen 2. It is incapable of learning its signature move. Its only usable if you first raise a tyrogue into a hitmonlee, learn hi jump kick, then pass that on as an egg move. Imo any pokemon that *needs* breeding to be decent ought to fall down a few tiers. Top is an F for me. Hitmonchan gets mach punch, which absolutely rules imo, but to each their own.
Furret and Raticate have great movesets, usable attack, and good speed. Deserve C. Stantler is even better, with access to sleep and some really solid coverage moves (shadow ball, eq, return, and hypnosis is a really solid moveset). I would honestly give it B tier, its like Tauros but leaning towards utility.
Ledian can learn ice/thunderpunch. It is still horrible, but among bad pokemon it has that niche. I would put it in the bottom of D tier.
Azumarill has worse stats that Corsola except HP, and mostly worse movepool. You can egg move belly drum, but its so slow it cant take advantage and it hardly learns any physical moves. Worst water type in the game imo.
C and D tier need subcategories tbh, there's a huge difference in viability within those tiers.
I played a decent amount of gen 2 and I have to say that vaporeon, entei, houndoom and dragonite are not on the same tier as furrett, ratticate, tangela and ariados.
And also, I'd say Tyranitar with its decent enough moveset (it gets Rock Slide and Earthquake naturally) to complement that monstrous Atk stat (134) is sliiiiightly better than Delibird or Unown.
Entei, Houndoom, and Tyranitar are in the tiers they are because of how late/difficult it is to obtain them, and Vaporeon is where it is because of how random it is to obtain a Water Stone. These are things that I take into consideration when tiering a Pokemon.
@@yukihoshikawa if we're talking strictly about going through the Elite 4 + Champ, you can literally catch an Abra just before the 3rd gym, teach him all 3 elemental punches and clear everything that comes across with the appropriate elemental punch or psychic. That fact automatically everything that is not an Abra evolution into the F tier because they steal XP from Abra, which may cause it to get fewer levels, which in turn might jeopardize some of the OHKOs (especially Kingdra in the 8th gym).
If we consider the full game though, Houndoom is closer to A tier than D tier. In Silver, you can get Houndour early enough to level with exp share and have him single handedly wipe three Kanto gyms (the ones in Celadon City, Saffron City and Fuchsia City) as well as reliably kill Ash's Pikachu and Venusaur.
Same thing goes for Tyranitar too. How late you can get a Larvitar prevents it from getting to the S tier. After all, you have to catch a Larvitar literally 10 steps before Ash and then you have to put 35 levels into it just to evolve it into a Tyranitar. However, it's the one Pokemon that can most reliably break Ash's Snorlax, which makes me put it to B, at worst.
Snorlax is a similar case. You get it way too late, but once you get a Snorlax, it completely walls every single gym after that point and goes toe to toe with Ash's Snorlax (which is literally the biggest challenge in gen 2).
Imo, being able to break Ash's Snorlax without significant TM investment automatically qualifies a pokemon for B tier.
Every pokemon in Gen 2 learns moves ridiculously slow
Honestly Golem,Fearow,and machamp walk threw the whole johto region
Gen2 movesets are an abomination
Espeon in C rank is a joke, should be a B or higher.
Espeon gets virtually no special attacks. You either have to keep Eevee unevolved until level 30 for Bite (which is weak), or you get Psybeam at level 36. The Eevee comes at level 20, so you can't learn Confusion, which Espeon gets at level 16. There's also Psychic at level 47, but at that point, you're most likely gonna be in Kanto (where the TM for Psychic can be found), which has, like, 3 hours of gameplay in it.
On top of this, it has to contend with Abra, a Pokémon you can get before Eevee and with a similar stat spread (along with zero backtracking), but a way better move pool, thanks to the elemental punches.
I wouldn't say Pokémon in C are bad - they're still good Pokémon. But I think a high C is appropriate for Espeon, given its shortcomings. It could totally be a low B, though.
I came for the algorithm but left the moment that all three starters were put on the same tier? Baffling decision making; lacking an understanding of how pivotal coverage and stab are to playthroughs. Meganium goes into the bottom tier on their own as performs worse at the first two gyms for very little payoff.
I actually put Meganium in A tier. The utility of it makes up for it's lacklustre offensive options. I agree with the poor thought put into this. I laughed my arse off when Quagsire went into D tier.
@@johnnemeth2653 The worst take in both speedruns and competetive meganium is outclassed.
@@johnnemeth2653Meganium is ass cheeks
Meganium is adequately ranked, perhaps even fine in A. Typhlosion and especially Feraligatr are ranked too low.
@theoddjuan972 did you watch the video this is a list for a casual playthrough not comp or speedruns dumbass