After the "Treaty of Versailles" Germany was restricted as to how many "Military hand guns." So... They Produced "Commercial" ones. The "Germany" stamp was on the bottom of the barrel (across rather than length wise). Being the Stamps were flat and the barrel was round, these guns have either "Germ" "rman" or "many." Most of these guns were rebarreled to Military guns... The unnotched Firing Pin was used for all guns up to 1932. It was found that it one punctured a primer the gases would drive the firing pin stright threw the bolt. The notched releaved that pressure.
I suspect the preponderance of serial numbers on the military one is due to the fact that in the army there will be situations especially during training when many guns are disassembled at the same time in the same room thus it was important that all hand-fitted parts which are not necessarily interchangeable with other guns must be easily identifiable. Commercial guns would usually be owned singly so a mix up of parts between guns unlikely.
The recoil springs are the same (38lbs), the “little inspector mark” under your serial number is part of your serial number - it is a letter suffix. Your stock lug was ground off by a bubba. Military mags would have had a wooden base plate as well until the late 30’s - they just would have been serial numbered to the gun. “GERMANY” was an export stamp, as many nations required the country of origin to be stamped on the gun. Matching mags will increase the value, but nowhere near 10x. Commercial models vary significantly, as DWM was trying to sell off guns made from wartime production parts. The darker wood on the military gun is likely a product of exposure to oil. The mag you have has an aluminum base plate. The hold open is tempered, hence the coloration. Early P.08s did not have a stock lug, even the military examples. Your firing pin is likely a replacement. In a nutshell, Aside from the barrel and markings, a commercial Luger chambered in 7.65 parabellum and an Imperial P.08 should be pretty much identical. I appreciate your attempt, but there are about as many Luger variations as there are stars in the sky; there are exceptions to just about everything you say in this video, in addition to some of the info you present being outright false.
@@Arrowhead-wp8odI would, but others have already succeeded where you have failed; C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons come to mind. I’m more concerned with stopping the spread of misinformation by poorly-educated wannabes like yourself, than I am with introducing redundant media. Once you learn to read, you should endeavor to read a book about G. Luger and his pistols, rather than synthesizing misquoted recollections of other firearm-related content creators’ videos. Thought that getting ripped off on a couple of Lugers would make you a “firearm collector”, eh? Nice try, chump - keep trying…
Very interesting video, you were on point for 99% of the information on the LUGER HISTORY and part description. The barrel and the part you seemed unsure about what it was called is the BARREL EXTENSION, a slide reciprocates which that part does not. The reason why I know is because I've done EXTENSIVE SEARCHING on information on the P08 and I did own 3 of them at one time (WWI, WWll and a commercial one made in the later 60's on original tooling purchased from the Swiss by Mauser and had ORIGINAL MAUSER stamped on the toggle. UNFORTUNATELY I was laid off from my REAL JOB in 2008 and I had to SELL most of my TOYS. Lugers are easy to SELL but people will try to LOW BALL you if they think you are in FINANCIAL TROUBLE. I later picked up on a nice WWI/WWII one with a arsenal installed new barrel for $500 but had to replace the recoil, striker springs and the magazine. After I replaced those items the pistol worked FLAWLESSLY like a CHAMP. Then a few years ago I picked up on a non functional 8" Luger but wasn't a Artillery Luger, no tangent rear sight. I had to replace the BREACH BLOCK. I was lucky that a friend from the club both of us are LIFE MEMBERS sold me a original time period part for $40 which was a GREAT PRICE. I had to fit it to the pistol 1914 DWM which was slow and tedious stoning it to proper tight fit. Remember the pistol is HAND FITTED that's why it sounds like a vault door shutting when you work the action with the CLOSE TOLERANCE it was manufactured which is why it is one of the most ACCURATE 9mm pistol in the world. 😉👍😁 I'm MAD at myself for SELLING that pistol after I finished it, with that 8" barrel it was a TACK DRIVER. You mentioned in your video that the Swiss adapted it in 1900 being the FIRST country to adapt it, they are ACCURACY FREAKS in 30 caliber LUGER. That made other countries to consider having a SEMI-AUTO PISTOL over a revolver. The only problem was the various countries liked the pistol but didn't like the WIMPY cartridge so they straightened the walls and became the 9mm Luger cartridge, the first pistol of that chambering. Here is something else about that cartridge that it would PENATRATE a French helmecdet at 600yds. and also a horse's skull at that distance which is beneficial because they used a lot of horses at the turn of the century through WWI and the begiMERnning of WWII. 🤔😯😉👍😁 KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. GOD BLESS AMERICA and the CONSTITUTION ESPECIALLY the FIRST and SECOND AMENDMENT.😉👍
Not true… An artillery luger with an original holster stock *may* be exempt from classification as an SBR, but the NFA definitely still applies to Lugers.
WW 1. Wood not alu magazine bottom. Those are made from before WW.2 GERMANY banner and stock groof's filed away, I guess USA import law's + NFA restrictions
After the "Treaty of Versailles" Germany was restricted as to how many "Military hand guns." So... They Produced "Commercial" ones. The "Germany" stamp was on the bottom of the barrel (across rather than length wise). Being the Stamps were flat and the barrel was round, these guns have either "Germ" "rman" or "many." Most of these guns were rebarreled to Military guns... The unnotched Firing Pin was used for all guns up to 1932. It was found that it one punctured a primer the gases would drive the firing pin stright threw the bolt. The notched releaved that pressure.
Very well and informative made video, Thank you! 👍😊🇩🇰
Mine has had the stock lug ground off, but still retains the P.08 on left portions of the receiver.
excellent explanation - very well done 🔝 💯
Excellent video....thank you.
Thank you!
I suspect the preponderance of serial numbers on the military one is due to the fact that in the army there will be situations especially during training when many guns are disassembled at the same time in the same room thus it was important that all hand-fitted parts which are not necessarily interchangeable with other guns must be easily identifiable.
Commercial guns would usually be owned singly so a mix up of parts between guns unlikely.
The early Lugers had dished toggles with toggle locks.
But I would like to see an original Luger in Tokarev cal. I love the gun bullet in 7.62mm!!! That bullet beats kevlar 1:1, I saw it myself!!!
The recoil springs are the same (38lbs), the “little inspector mark” under your serial number is part of your serial number - it is a letter suffix. Your stock lug was ground off by a bubba. Military mags would have had a wooden base plate as well until the late 30’s - they just would have been serial numbered to the gun. “GERMANY” was an export stamp, as many nations required the country of origin to be stamped on the gun. Matching mags will increase the value, but nowhere near 10x. Commercial models vary significantly, as DWM was trying to sell off guns made from wartime production parts. The darker wood on the military gun is likely a product of exposure to oil. The mag you have has an aluminum base plate. The hold open is tempered, hence the coloration. Early P.08s did not have a stock lug, even the military examples. Your firing pin is likely a replacement. In a nutshell, Aside from the barrel and markings, a commercial Luger chambered in 7.65 parabellum and an Imperial P.08 should be pretty much identical. I appreciate your attempt, but there are about as many Luger variations as there are stars in the sky; there are exceptions to just about everything you say in this video, in addition to some of the info you present being outright false.
you should make a video about it
@@Arrowhead-wp8odI would, but others have already succeeded where you have failed; C&Rsenal and Forgotten Weapons come to mind. I’m more concerned with stopping the spread of misinformation by poorly-educated wannabes like yourself, than I am with introducing redundant media. Once you learn to read, you should endeavor to read a book about G. Luger and his pistols, rather than synthesizing misquoted recollections of other firearm-related content creators’ videos. Thought that getting ripped off on a couple of Lugers would make you a “firearm collector”, eh? Nice try, chump - keep trying…
lmao nerd go make your own channel
My father's which he got off a German officer at Arnhem is dated 1920. So are you saying this wasn't made for the German military.?
3:35 The German navy adopted the Luger in 1904, the land army in 1908.
Very interesting video, you were on point for 99% of the information on the LUGER HISTORY and part description. The barrel and the part you seemed unsure about what it was called is the BARREL EXTENSION, a slide reciprocates which that part does not. The reason why I know is because I've done EXTENSIVE SEARCHING on information on the P08 and I did own 3 of them at one time (WWI, WWll and a commercial one made in the later 60's on original tooling purchased from the Swiss by Mauser and had ORIGINAL MAUSER stamped on the toggle. UNFORTUNATELY I was laid off from my REAL JOB in 2008 and I had to SELL most of my TOYS. Lugers are easy to SELL but people will try to LOW BALL you if they think you are in FINANCIAL TROUBLE. I later picked up on a nice WWI/WWII one with a arsenal installed new barrel for $500 but had to replace the recoil, striker springs and the magazine. After I replaced those items the pistol worked FLAWLESSLY like a CHAMP. Then a few years ago I picked up on a non functional 8" Luger but wasn't a Artillery Luger, no tangent rear sight. I had to replace the BREACH BLOCK. I was lucky that a friend from the club both of us are LIFE MEMBERS sold me a original time period part for $40 which was a GREAT PRICE. I had to fit it to the pistol 1914 DWM which was slow and tedious stoning it to proper tight fit. Remember the pistol is HAND FITTED that's why it sounds like a vault door shutting when you work the action with the CLOSE TOLERANCE it was manufactured which is why it is one of the most ACCURATE 9mm pistol in the world. 😉👍😁 I'm MAD at myself for SELLING that pistol after I finished it, with that 8" barrel it was a TACK DRIVER. You mentioned in your video that the Swiss adapted it in 1900 being the FIRST country to adapt it, they are ACCURACY FREAKS in 30 caliber LUGER. That made other countries to consider having a SEMI-AUTO PISTOL over a revolver. The only problem was the various countries liked the pistol but didn't like the WIMPY cartridge so they straightened the walls and became the 9mm Luger cartridge, the first pistol of that chambering. Here is something else about that cartridge that it would PENATRATE a French helmecdet at 600yds. and also a horse's skull at that distance which is beneficial because they used a lot of horses at the turn of the century through WWI and the begiMERnning of WWII. 🤔😯😉👍😁 KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. GOD BLESS AMERICA and the CONSTITUTION ESPECIALLY the FIRST and SECOND AMENDMENT.😉👍
lugers are one of the few guns exempt from the nfa
Not true… An artillery luger with an original holster stock *may* be exempt from classification as an SBR, but the NFA definitely still applies to Lugers.
WW 1. Wood not alu magazine bottom. Those are made from before WW.2 GERMANY banner and stock groof's filed away, I guess USA import law's + NFA restrictions
It's really tiresome to see so many videos being made by people that have no clue what they are talking about.
We would love for you to make a better video on Military vs Commercial Lugers!