Red Cards & PK Drama in Hudson Derby and Cascadia Cup Rivalries!
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Seattle absolutely robbed this week
I'm a whitecaps fan and... yeah you kinda were.
Our team hasn't been great and that game was hard to watch. Brown absolutely blocked that with his arm but it's true that the foul mightve nullified it.
We likely didn't deserve to come away with a draw but I'll take a bit of luck when we get it.
WOMP WOMP
Not really, pretty hand ball.
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Shut up and go SOUNDERS
@@rockytalkndawoods3057 The objection isn't to the handling that was called on Nouhou, the objection is to the handling NOT called on Morris's shot on goal in which the elbow was clearly extended quite a bit outside of the silhouette AND definitely moving a bit toward the ball. If that;'s called properly, that's not only a PK, but probably a red card as well.
You missed the play in the first half of the Sounders game Andrew. You know, where the Whitecaps dude jumped over Morris but ended up jumping INTO him...yet somehow for whatever stupid reason Morris gets the yellow card. WTF???
The lack of consistency on this channel about what is and isn't a natural position of a hand or arm is astounding.
The center ref was asked after SEA-VAN about one being a handball and one being not, he said "The arm of Seattle No. 5 was deemed a barrier in an unnatural position where as the other was not." So nothing at all about a foul or not by Morris. Just a bad interpretation of the rules, and when the VAR is the same guy that gave the bogus Red in POR-Quakes it doesn't leave much hope for getting calls corrected.
I actually think these were pretty clear on not being natural. I've said many times that I pretty much have given up trying to figure out what they think is natural (they being PRO; not MLS' Wiebe).
And VAR didn't give a red in SJ-POR. They decided it wasn't clear and obvious to recommend a review. Big difference, but still I don't like it. Again, I've given up trying to figure out handballs.
Handballs are inconsistent in every league. Referees have minimal if any understanding of biomechanics. At this point, we should just say a handball is a handball regardless of position. At least that way it would be more consistent
In Wednesday’s match of la vs stl, stl was denied a goal because it hit a players top shoulder and changed directions on the head
@@chriswhetton3584 I don't think it has to do with referees understanding biomechanics. This comes from the upper levels trying to put guidelines in words which are impossible to consistently and accurately make a decision on. VAR makes it worse as they use slow motion to ignore the big picture of the play.
That’s literally what I’m saying!
C'mon man, his name is Jonathan Rodriguez, not Cabecita. He has told the media that he never liked that name. Don't try to bring it over from Liga MX.
I didn't know this! I was trying to figure out who he was talking about. lol
Where did the name cabecita come from?
Two match days, only 7 plays to review? Really? That's all you got? Not even a full 5 minutes of review. 2 weeks should equal at least 10 min of review if not 14.
RSL v SEA (62:57) tackle from behind, with force, all player, no foul, no card.
Shoulda been a yellow, but was called a foul. Missed card but meh. Thats really not what this show often reviews in my experience.
@@AndersTheNutheadit actually wasn't called a foul at all. It resulted in a throw in. Crazy, right! At least a yellow but possibly red.
I thought the exact same thing. Why not do 2 videos. There were plenty of calls to review.
The problem with Andrew's take on the Vancouver handling for the penalty is that earlier in the match Morris was pummeled from above on a play he did not move. He was called for a foul. So if that is the game that the official is calling, he can't then call a foul against Morris when the situation is switched.
This was clearly handling as was Nouhoo. The two handling issues are similar and to go to the monitors and check one, but not the other is a failure on the VAR. And lets face it, the VAR has failed the Sounders on many occasions this year. The Sounders again have a season in which DisCo has had to come in and remove a send off that the officials incorrectly gave. Time and time again this season the officials have incorrectly made calls that have cost Sounders points.
The Sounders are having a terrible start. AND most of it is of their own doing, but when you have a number of not just questionable... but WRONG calls... it make you feel worse than PL teams having to deal with a cheating champion.
Makes me wonder how our Open Cup match will go tomorrow. I'm not sure if I should be excited or worried.
This is going to be something we look back at if we barely miss the playoffs. When a ref makes a bad call like this that decides a game it can lead to fines or even suspensions, but none of that matters when we miss the playoffs by 2 points
Weebee's on the payroll
He is on the payroll... like literally... he works for MLS. You're watching this on MLS' CZcams channel. Yes, his job is to get you to believe that the right call gets made most of the time. That is the purpose of these videos. MLS is never going to pay to create videos that actually show how bad things are.
the ref for redbulls NYCFC was horrendous, so inconsistent and robbed the redbulls of many penalties. Also didn't give the full stoppage time at the end
On the first call, even if his hand magically disappears, his butt will block the ball. Yes, the ball goes somewhere else, but it doesn't go in the net, and the exact direction of the ball after contact was random (the chaos theory type of random) anyways.
100%
Ball bounced much differently because it hit his hand., hitting his hand led to it bouncing almost straight down so goalkeeper got it off the rebound instead of potentially an attacker
In the spirit of the game, I completely agree with you, but there is nothing in the laws which would allow handling to be ignored if it's believed it still would have hit a legal part of the body with about the same result.
@@colerosenbalm4 yes, it bounced differently, but whether or not it would land near an attacker with or without the hand was completely random.
@@MrCho14 Nothing in the rules, but in the sprit of the game I can see a ref calling either way. Situations from previous plays might also determine context for how strict a ref is feeling. I watched a Canada international away game on TV. The Ref gave a Canadian a yellow for an opponent running into him then falling over, then gave one player on the other team 3 chances before giving him yellow, any one of those clearly deserving a yellow and one of them I was looking for VAR to call a potential RED, but no card. Finally on his 4th major offence he got Yellow. This was even lighter than the others but the ref had enough. My point is each ref calls things different in different situations in different games.
Andrew, please stop calling Jonathan Rodriguez "Cabacita"
He doesn't like it. Thanks mate.
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Womp womp
@@markdunford7744 cry more about good calls womp womp
@@colerosenbalm4if you actually think that’s a good call you’re blind
Mfs will not tag Wiebe to ask about a call and then complain about it not being in the video.
That being said, how was this video not even 5 min long?
Where are we supposed to tag him? He always says, "If you see something, say something" but he never says where to do that.
Ha! Okay. So, in this video he does actually say "On Twitter" but he usually doesn't specify. Well, lots of us aren't on Twitter. Elon Musk is rich enough.
@@lukeharper8926 I'm not either, it's just really annoying to see the same "wtf why didn't you look at X call" 15 times per episode
Seattle got robbed
Except they didn't.
@@rockytalkndawoods3057 Yeah, I'm not seeing any crime there. Morris clearly fouled. The other was a clear handball (even with the 'what is a handling call' these days)
@@MrCho14 Morris doesn't push off of the defender, but rather looks to be using his arms as a barrier... As a defender, I don't think it's a foul.
@@darrenmcguire7023 He didn't go straight up and went through the back of the attacker to get the ball. It can't be more clear than that. It's all I'll say about it as I learned long ago that Seattle fans believe they do no wrong and are blind to the obvious too often.
If they are gonna call a foul on Morris before the handball they should go to the monitor and come out and say there was a foul before the handball so no pk. And on the Seattle handball they need to explain not just say handball and pk. We don’t need a mic for that. We need explanation, his arm was deemed to be in an unnatural position therefore pk.
There is no reason to delay the game with VAR unnecessary to go back and come to the same conclusion. Get on with the game and avoid destroying the flow and speed of the sport.
As for the explanation, unnatural position is the definition of handling so it would be redundant to state it. Do you want them to explain how offside works when coming away from the monitor as well?
Then why even have the ref speak over the mic. The whole point of it is to explain the call
@@krisk7289 He's speaking over the mic because fans complained they don't know what's going on in the stadium where basically you have a stoppage, the ref goes and looks at a play, and then he comes out and calls a penalty or no goal or such. This tells the stadium (and often ignorant announcers) what what being reviewed and what the outcome is. You have to assume basic knowledge of the game though from everyone which is what that is.
@@MrCho14 What was SUPPOSED to occur in the stadium when VAR was used was that the stadium displays were supposed to inform the spectators and then VAR would say yes or no on whatever was checked and then DISPLAY the video they used to arrive at their conclusions. THIS was announced as MLS VAR policy the first year VAR was brought into the league and it has NEVER happened that way. If this were the case, we would not need the referee's useless mic vague explanation.
Weibe, the refs were asked about the reasoning for the no-PK on Morris' header - they said it was judged to not be a handball, not that they ruled a foul on Morris. Why are you arguing a hypothetical when we know their actual reasoning?
Lmao love the changing logic based on which team it is. If Nouhou's hand wasn't there, it would smacked Nouhou in the face. He was protecting his face, wasn't making himself bigger. But that other team with the hand getting hit with the hip behind him not a handball? Lmao inconsistent logic in one 4 min video. Either intellectually disabled, or just obvious shilling.
Ok....
We need Simon Borg back
Could’ve been 10 minutes on Austin/SKC alone.
True. Robbed again
SKC could have 10 min of what they did _every_ week.
The ref for NE VS PHI is a CARD LOVER.
I was there with my dad.
He averages just under 4 yellows a game. That feels high to me for sure.
@MrCho14 he gave 1 red card to the Revs.
Me, my Dad, and the fans were MAD. Ryan Spaulding got the red when he was supposed to get a yellow.
Almost twice the number of matches, and only half the analysis
He's getting lazy... or maybe it's pay cut backs. Haha
VAR has not made the refereeing any more consistent. It's just added more confusion and opportunity for unfair conclusions.
It's also unfortunate that Weibe is the only voice in these videos. Then, when he comes up with "Morris fouled anyway," someone would be there to call bullshit.
But Morris did clearly foul. He jumped forward through the back of the defender.
@@MrCho14 But the referee was calling that kind of foul on the defender all match. Morris was on the other side of this play earlier and HE got called for the foul for not getting out of the way of a wildly jumping attacker. The referee never mentions any possible foul on Morris after the match... he simply said that the defenders elbow was in a natural position.
@@sephlar I can't speak to what happened throughout the match. I can only say that, looking at that play by itself, it is a foul on Morris.
I don't know if the referee speaks to VAR prior to making statements after the game. Given it didn't go to the monitor, then as far as the CR understood it his eyes were correct on the field. It's what was discussed in the VAR room which would explain the entire sequence, but we'll never know for sure what that was.
You are patently wrong on both sounders calls. Nou Hou is flailing his arms on the run which sells the handling but has it tucked when the ball hits him. But they didn't even look at the Whitecap handling... Should have at least looked at it. Also calling Jordan... not seeing it...
Nouhou tries to tuck it but it's not at his side. It's out in front of him. The other one should have been called for sure.
Yea to me the Nohou call is not clear and obvious. Looks tucked in and I can't 100% tell if it hit his upper shoulder (not a handball) or his side, whereas on the Morris header the defender moved his elbow out towards the ball.
Last clip, it's more a SPA (stopping a promising attack), so Yellow card.
And, when a player has a YC, the next foul doesn’t have to be reckless to earn a 2nd YC. Could be deemed PI.
Exactly!
Look at how high his legs are in the tackle, that is the definition of reckless. Doesn't matter if contact is made
The Laws dictate that no contact in necessarily needed in order to make a foul a foul.
As a Whitecaps fan, we fot lucky with that missed pen. But, the second one we got was. I'll take the point however.
We willing admit that Nouhou did in fact commit a handball, he's not having a good year. We are livid about that other missed call though.
On the last play... you need to know your laws Andrew. No contact is needed for something to be careless (foul), reckless (caution), or even for Serious foul play that endangers the safety of ones opponent (send off). In fact, no contact is even needed for violent conduct (send off). Even an attempt to strike (swing and a miss) is a send off.
In this case, the player makes a late tackle, having no chance of getting to the ball that was gone when he arrived. He slides in and then raises his legs to attempt to make sure he gets his opponent. It is CLEARLY a reckless challenge. Whether he actually makes contact or not is inconsequential.
Andrew, I understand Mr. Rodriguez prefers to be called by his first name. Cabecito is a pretty lame nickname, Spanish for pinhead. But you do you or whatever...
So hany already literally super man diving before contact has nothing to do with the play? lol, okay then
Really, you’re just going to let the center ref and VAR get away with the blatant foul in the box that Portland committed against MNUFC, but was never called nor VAR sending the ref to the monitor?!? FFS… 😡
Did you tag Weibe? I don't think MLS pays him to go through every game tape.
Wiebe coming in hot once again with a nonsense take on the second Portland penalty, which is clearly a foul on the goalkeeper. It doesn't matter here whether the Portland player gets to the ball first because it's entirely irrelevant given that he is the one who then charges into the goalkeeper, who, per the laws, has "a right to their position on the field of play". Touching the ball first doesn't grant you a mystical right to then just barge through someone and cry foul. The crew on this one just bungled every big call, not to mention that Neville should've been sent to the stands for his abuse of the officials - and maybe he would've been if the right calls had been made.
Nor, for that matter, is beating someone to a header a foul. The Caps player jumped late and lost a fair challenge as a result, though if the defender hadn't handled it, I think Takaoka would've got a paw on it.
I think at a minimum its a 50/50 ball, no foul. But a striker coming in like that seems pretty reckless to me.
Hey what about the Austin vs sporting pk save the gk was off the line
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The first play is why I came to watch the video. Haha, that is clearly not a handball offense. A huge mistake that ruined the game and gave POR an undeserved win.
I mean...all their wins are underserved lol
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First clip is one of the worst calls I've ever seen. So many losers were in the comments saying that's a red, being vulgar to those who have sense. Anyways, investigate the refs, we need a statement.
Nothing about the Nealis tackle is close to yellow.
Unless he is trying to cite the cleats coming up toward the end of the tackle... but thats a LONG stretch.
Does this guy know the rules of the game? How is that not a red on the redbull player? Both feet are studs up, doesn't matter if there's contact, it's endangering the safety of the other player.
A different angle would have been nice. I can't tell here if the studs come up after he slides past the attacker of before/during it. That matters for sure. (oh, and if you're going you're going to lay into him for not knowing 'the rules of the game' you should know enough to properly call them the 'laws of the game'.
A side note on this play, because it was a 2nd yellow on the field as opposed to a straight red it is not reviewable. Had it been a straight red VAR could have looked at it and recommended a review if appropriate.
Dumb take! Whether the opponent was close does matter and the opponent also attempts to play the ball! Yellow!
@noahtalley4351 no way that's a yellow. Both feet and or studs up is a red. This checks both boxes.
When do they get to the other half of instant replay? Like the no call offsides at the end of Hunter Miami, were the no call at the end of our RSL. How do you get on the list to show the obvious missed calls?
A case for a red card in the RSLvSEA match and the RSLvCOL match and neither are covered? Come on? A flying elbow that led to a brawl at the COL and still no?
"Be sure to hit me up with those calls you want reviewed and I will....completely ignore them and go for ones that are obvious."
Haha jk most of these calls were good to review. But that last call should definitely be a yellow and not just cause it was a sliding tackle with way too much force but also because it's stopping a promising attack. Come on Weibe. We expect better from you!
Nah, where the ball hit Nouhou, his arm is tucked in. If it hit his hand, I would say handball, but it hit his elbow, which is tucked into his body and shielding his face
The ball doesnt even hit him in the hand. Straight gets him in the hip for SJ
And then the next was a 50/50 challenge, which goes to GK
I'll give the hand ball but a foul is a foul mate.
A challenge has to be shoulder to shoulder, touch the ball, and the keeper did none of those.
Player tocuhed the ball, so it is a foul on the GK. Doesn't matter if it is 50/50 there, whoever touched it, the other was getting called. I hate the call being a GK, but today's law's state it that way so that keepers can't just take people out anymore like they used to on plays like that.
I think that in the Atlanta-Nashville game, it's a foul on the Atlanta defender because Muhktar is already pretty much on the ground before Guzan even touches him. It didn't look like a shoulder-to-shoulder challenge, so I think the foul should have been called on the Atlanta defender instead of the goalkeeper
That’s a soft foul there if you give it, reaaaaal soft. But I think we all agree thags not a foul on Guzan. Dude looked like super man by the time Guzan was involved. My opinion, Hany was gonna go down the second he felt a slight touch and he did. Reeks of a dive to me
What about SLC-LAFC
Wiebe is not unbias at all. He is on the take from Lord Garber who tells him which matches an plays to review. How do you have double the matches and only a 5 minute Instant Replay???? One word: CORRUPTION
You do realize that he only reviews matches that we tag him in on twitter right? If there's a play that you want him to review then you have to tag him with the match and when the play happened. He did the Sounders matches cause we quite literally blew up his feed....again.
For me it's a huge STFU! Nouhou clearly is turning his body and arm away while tucking his elbow from the ball. If anything he's naturally protecting himself from slaming and that should not be called a handball. FOH
"See you next time"? Borg, is that you?
WOW.🤯.