Transition Was NOT Appropriate for My Ex-Husband - Shannon Thrace
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- Shannon Thrace is a writer, cultural critic, and IT professional who lives for travel, good food and summer music festivals. She’s the author of 18 Months: A Memoir of a Marriage Lost to Gender Identity- -the story of the dissolution of her fifteen-year marriage when her partner began to identify as transgender.
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I applaud this woman for not only having the strength to leave her narcissistic and clearly delusional ex but to also warn others about him
They’re both narcissists. She was all about it until it wasn’t about her anymore.
@@bluntforcetrauma6333 that's bollocks and you know it. She wasn't concerned at first because (as she noted, and you would know, if only you had listened) she was liberal sexually (most cross dressing in men is a sexual fetish) and loved him for who he was - whatever that might be. It was only when he began to refuse to accept reality that she felt the marriage was over.
I don't think we should be diagnosing people based on a 15 minute speech - him or her.
@@honeychurchgipsy6 we will just have to agree to disagree.
@@bluntforcetrauma6333 How was it ever about her?
@@bluntforcetrauma6333 I just got to the part of that video and had that same thought ..so i absolutely agree with you
What’s going on right now in the field if psychology is the very reason psychologists were referred to as “quacks” back in the day.😮
Back in the day?
@@mickstone7380yes, it's a term that has been around a long time. People were shamed for "disrespecting" psychiatrists by calling them quacks. It was and I guess still is a non-PC term. But it is looking like it's pretty accurate now.
There has also been a long history of legitimate psychology science. It's debated as to how scientific it is, yet much of the research done before the 2010s was perfectly acceptable. There's always been questionable studies, but those studies didn't usually take off like the quackery of today. I think this is a problem of a bunch of people thinking they're psychologists when they're just using it for ideological bigotry.
But they weren't. That was psychiatrists.
@@ls-l1518 actually, the term was first applied to "snake oil salesmen", sellers of supposedly medicinal products, without a doctor's prescription.
These gender ideologues got a hold of my then 11yr old daughter online. We’ve been fighting for her ever since. These people are like religious zealots.
Keep fighting, you are not alone.
or worse. i’ve heard gender ideology referred to as cult behavior more than once. gratefully it hasn’t reached jonestown or waco status.
I'm so sorry. 💔😢🙏🏼💜
I can’t imagine
It's a @CULT by all standards
See an important part of this was porn use. Porn addiction is real and dangerous.
It really is. Ted Bundy also said it's what turned him into a serial killer.
@@gardyloo3093I mean seeing them as objects for harm isn't too far from objects for sex when to you they're fictional people. Just like the sxxcide hxmicide line is blurry to criminals. The dopamine addiction is built on then using the real people the same way you used the parasocial ones.
Porn addiction and sex addiction are both very bad and can lead to very destructive and disgusting things.
I would say her liberal views and acceptance of her husband’s cross dressing was 50% of the problem. Immorality always leads to more immorality or being completely amoral.
@@joanjust8241 True
What her “marriage therapist” did to her by violating the therapy contract (and abandoning their marriage) is unethical by any professional standard of ethics. If the field of psychology was less political, she would have a great lawsuit
This is how we beat this out of our society. She should sue. The very act of passivity is the reason this has gotten so far out of hand. Until people start to speak out and fight back, this will never be reined in. The longer that this "movement" this ideology is allowed to saturate our society and institutions is the more victims who will be harmed by it. If people are afraid of fighting for themselves, then they need to find their fight for the innocent youth being targeted by this sickness.
She was betrayed by someone meant to care for her. Do no harm to her. This is so sad. It leads me to wonder if the therapist was seeing her husband as career affirming more than as a human being. "It will be fun to transition you." Breaks my heart for them
I physically went after that nasty mtf " gender therapist" that killed my husband.. he completely vanished when he heard my spouse had died and just how angry I really was.. and still am.
@@DutchessCottonPuff I am sorry for your ordeal and loss
You mean , if this story were remotely true, she’d have a great lawsuit
This is one of the most destructive social forces to come along in quite some time.
It destroyed the Greeks, Roman's, Sodom, etc.
@@francismarion6400
In April 2019, I heard - Tell them I am coming soon. Later in the day I heard: There will be a great shaking. When I didn't tell a particular church about it, I got a dream where I was scared. I could hear myself saying: I'll tell them, I'll tell them, I'll tell them. Then I saw a person in the dark with well lit church windows behind him and another person dressed in white walking behind him and up some stairs.
Jesus is coming. On April 9, 2021, my vision went black for a quick moment, then I saw in gold letters - Thus saith the Lord. About four hours later, On April 10,in my sleep I heard - Prophet. Tell them I am coming soon. Maybe 3-5 min after that, at 1235 AM, our area had a 3.1 eq.
I wonder if that's the point.
@@elkpaz560 Perhaps an offshoot of the Cloward Pivens strategy?
It's 100% intentional and designed to be destructive.
The amount of distrust the medical community has caused over the past 10 years is immeasurable.
Piven cloward meets double.speak
. Make even questions a crime.
Traditional healthcare is destroyed. We won’t go to any doctor who doesn’t align with our values.
Many people have lost faith in their religion of the medical industry.
It took a doctor willing to “prove me wrong” to get my partial hysterectomy at 26. I was that bad off with fibroid tumors, stage 4 endometriosis, and ovarian cysts. I’ll never forget the doctor throwing the recommendation at me and storming out the room! I haven’t been to the doctor since my post follow up surgery…13 years. I am researching for a solid doctor to take me seriously, because I have a strong history of colon cancer in my family. (Maternal grandfather and mother both had it.) I need a doctor to listen to me and help me get my insurance to approve of my colonoscopy. To say I am trepiditious is an understatement.
This insanity and covid showed their true colors😐
My very masculine 21 year old son, suddenly discovered that he felt "sexy" in a dress....autogynephilic spiral was initiated. He's gone.
So sorry. I can't imagine how painful.
Don't women feel sexy in a dress? I suppose the next grift will be if a gay man wink's at himself in the mirror. What'll you call that autohomophilia? I'm sure you'll grease their wheel to overturn Obergefell and Lawrence V Texas.
It’s probably not sudden but it makes sense that he would have to hide it from you
@@bxstar5276 can men not be able to wear female clothing without being classed as ' Trans' ?
Edit: I know that women don't have cocks.
@@clairhonnor6211 of course
I live in Canada where they can take away your children if you don't affirm them. We need to fight this insanity and hear more from the people harmed by this to speak out like you 👏
We have to understand how this suddenly became so prominent. decades ago there was a small number; now so many; is it something psychological like follow the leader ...
Canada isn't allowed to talk about oil and gasoline either
@elizabethabbott2982 personally, I think it goes hand in hand with white guilt. In their minds, the worst thing you can be is straight and white but they can ditch their white guilt if they become part of an oppressed class by identifying as non binary or trans.
@@HappyForestBridge-zj4yhsoon we won't be allowed to talk about anything but LGBTQ flags and how awesome Trudeau is 😢
It's happening here in the states as well and it's ridiculous
A blessing in disguise that they don’t have children
Or not... it might have gone very differently
Yes. Some of these men have abandoned whole ass families because of their little fetish.
Yet. They don't have children yet. But they will.
@@pisceananarchyvortex7223btk has a child. Doesn’t make a difference.
I can hear the pain in her voice. 💔
It's quite horrifying that the man she described is now an activist promoting the agenda for youth
He’s demonic.
That’s how this always seems to go according to the vast majority of trans-widows. The pattern is always the same. They are middle aged men who become obsessed with pornography and that leads them down a really dark road. Some end up viewing and dabbling in pedophilic content, and the more “virtuous ones” end up as proclaiming they are women and getting sexual kicks off of making everyone else pretend the same. But it always starts with pornography. As the Bible foretold, those who are not lovers of God and lovers of the Truth will be given over to their most debased desires. We are just watching one form of that come to fruition. 🤷🏽♀️
thats what you get out of this? ever thought that just naybe she isnt entorely truthful?
@@matswessling6600No, he is insane.
@@francismarion6400 no. he is not. read up on psychology.
What her marriage counselor did was unethical 😢
This is the death of a civilization.
Weimar stage, you know what's next
Na. A war is about to happen in house
What value do you get out of saying something like that?
What value do you get out of saying something like that?
I think you are Overstating things.
This lady was so nervous when she started and I give her a lot of credit. This wasn't easy. She got better as she got going with it and I applaud her honesty.
Yet she removed a whole lot of people from Raverly for questioning things.
I'm glad you're standing up for yourself. These trans individuals who demand they have the right to live as their authentic selves while denying everyone elses right to live their own authentic lives need to be stopped. I used to be more accommodating. But their unwillingness to accommodate me when I make a mistake has destroyed that willingness.
I'm so glad Shannon uses biological pronouns. Trans widows are so often coerced. For data on 55 more of us, channel in the handle here. I do kind of wish Shannon didn't have to trot out her "liberal" qualifications. Many of us have traditional values, were monogamous heterosexuals and we are entitled to our beliefs. "Jamie" is a malignant narcissist, as was my husband.
The liberal bit was important and relevant to establishing the context for her story. She’s showing you this isn’t exactly easy or natural for her to criticize a part of the LGBT movement, therefore because she is criticizing it, pay attention. She’s establishing credibility. This is an effective rhetorical device.
I think she wanted to show that EVEN in a highly liberal couple, who had experienced lots of practices that aren't seen with good eyes by many people, she could see the harm that was beyond made and the relation that transitioning had with other mental illnesses, thus her testimony not being "biased" by prejudice. (Which tends to be the excuse for invalidating conservative families who have to deal with the trans issue)
I agree with you but I suppose they do this to help fellow liberals, who knows. I must admit I do get fed up with the left, right nonsense. Personally I would have preferred to have also heard from trans widows with children. The abuse some of these women and their kids have had to endure is appalling not to mention the gaslighting they've experienced.
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I think it is important we hear all voices, Ute, affected by this, liberal or not, more if liberal.
Thx, Mixrahichick. I assume most readers do not understand the Jewish reference. I do. Todah raba@@MizrahiChick
Thank God there are no kids in this mess
That’s the silver lining for sure. Proof positive this type of thing is self-limiting.
Really
Maybe this wouldn’t have happened to him if he had children.
@@Vorachan1111that’s a slippery slope 😵💫
Just not THEIR kids
I went through the same with my husband (ex) 45 years ago. I had zero support, people were just curious about him. He has been pulling this scam on 4 more wives wreaking havoc on their lives and his children with his fetish. In my perspective this embodies evil. Narcissism is a real evil in our world.
I don't understand. How has he done this 4 times? Has he never actually taken medical steps or how did that work?
My husband (now 80, happily heterosexual father of two) told his mother when he was about three (had an older sister who we suspect he thought was getting better 'deals' in life)"When I come back (that statement was interesting in and of itself for a three-year-old) I'm coming back as a girl!' Now they'd whisk him off to have his 'bits' removed! Frightening. And I had girl cousins who preferred to play with cars rather than dolls. Both married, had kids...never a thought about being anything other than female. This insanity is in over-drive, being pushed by those who appear to have some serious mental health issues.
Life changing hormonal and surgical medical interventions are a very lucrative business. This is a reason why medical doctors endorse it. It takes a group of greedy MDs to push a person into Trans : urologist, endocrinologist, gynecologist, plastic surgeon, psychiatrist, and more.
No one is gonna let a 3 year old have SURGERY to change their gender. It literally doesn’t happen. But yes continue to believe the fake news
I see it as the inability to accept the diversity of feminine and masculine within your own sex seems to be a basic the issue, inability to accept your own “uniqueness” within your own sex. Or maybe just the desire to be like someone else. All to be accepted in your social circle.
And the supposed ‘help community’ appears it is really about control ….of others. Being a savior.
Let's not forget that this process effectively sterilizes the participant, and thereby reduces future population growth, which seems to be one of the primary goals of the woke mob
I went to a psychologist for 6 months. It didn't help. It made it worse actually. I left and got over my issues by working, studying, going to the gymn and coming back to my God.
Ah, so you're still conversing with a non-existent identity (imaginary friend), I really think you should continue with the schizophrenia treatment...
@@darcylauren1934Really! Some help you are!
@@darcylauren1934sounds like they're learning how to be normal. You should try it.
@darcylauren1934 Schizophrenia is a medical condition. Whether or not you believe in God, it is a belief held by millions of neurotypical people and does not denote any mental illness but a normal human desire for purpose and connection.
I love psychology, but not every psychologist is good at their job. Religion provides a moral and social grounding.
@@AmoebaInkIndeed religion does.
I'm glad you're talking publicly about what is really happening in this movement. This movement is cruel and based on lies, and is destroying the lives of children aswell as adults.
Its demonic is what it is its strate from Satan
30 years ago, my 2nd ex husband came out as Trans . It all went very bad for me and our kids. I am a Trans widow . It turned into a total nightmare . I was raised and grew in the left political world, also .
What became of your husband?
@@brockreynolds870 , My ex husband was-band, is very mentally ill, I am not too sure , where that person is ...
I still think it's good for some people however I'm convinced that it is being promoted as a business model and they want to trick anybody they can into doing it because it's a life time of drug fees as well as sterility which makes the World Economic Forum and George Sorros happy as they want to destroy the west. It also eliminates yet another man from the armed services which makes us weak militarily. I'm a conspiracy theorist all right but for what it's worth I think it's an attack on our country and a psy-op.
They don't care about people off-ing them selves if they don't get transitioned quickly enough. That would be compassionate. They just want as many people transitioned as possible. Try not to feel bad about it. It's happening to all kinds of folks these days.
Crazy is as crazy does, I guess.
Possessed by Satan
Her husband sounds like he was suffering from a mental health break
Lady the fact that you ever had no issue with your husband cross dressing is scary 😱!!!!!!!
A quality therapist facilitates their client navigating and understanding their thoughts and feelings. They should provide resources and techniques to help process anything troubling them or holding them back.
They should not be implanting their own ideas or influencing them in any way whatsoever.
To refer to a client's proposed therapy plan as an "experiment" that will be "fun" should be an immediate red flag to everyone and the client should cease contact with that therapist immediately (and potentially report them to any certifying board or agency).
Reporting a therapist was my first thought. I am quite interested if this speaker have done something about it.
The certifying board and agencies have been bought by the G mafia
It is so refreshing to hear this side of the celebrated gender transition that leaves so much pain in its wake 😢
Thank you for your testimony and well done on refusing to be gaslit into using incorrect pronouns.
…but she was gaslit in the liberal world for decades, I guess she didn’t realize she could have refused it all along the way…oh well too late now.
The more I hear about these horror stories, the more I start to believe that the "T" stands for tornado because that's about all it accomplishes. Complete and total devastation.
T for Toxic…
@@clogs4956 Put the 2 words together, and you get Toxic Tornado which just about sums the entire process.
Thank you for sharing Sharon. 💚 Difficult witnessing.
The fact is that not "everything goes" in sexuality. We have to be constantly aware of unhealthy perversion, because the more you feed the bad wolf, the more it grows. And that's what's happened. There are genuine gay or trans people, but now it's grown out of control with all the crazy "support".
I fear we're dealing & pandering to peoples neurotic narcissistic behaviour. Unless we realise these people are unhappy within themselves of which we cannot fix then we'll also be dragged down into their madness
I agree
When you allow a behavior you reinforce it which means you are going to get more of it and/or worse behavior til the individual reaches chaos & destruction.
I am a gay man with a partner. I would be, for a bit, devastated if he suddenly wanted to become a woman and then act on it!
This man had an acute change, some type of mental illness for sure. My partner and I have lost friends over our disagreement with the current trans craze. I feel for the trans widows 😌
Good riddance. This insanity happened in our family. Male cousin, took his 3 little children plus wife and moved to an uninhabited abandoned island in Canada, so that he can live his fantasies out in privacy. While his children are cut off from society. His wife, out of desperation, is going along with it. Now they identify as a lesbian couple, even though she is straight, and he is obviously not. People who agree with this type of insanity have no idea what kind of devastation they are encouraging.
She's so intelligent. I like how she framed her purpose for speaking. I read her book and it was such a good read. The story itself is awful and unimaginable - what I especially enjoyed is her deep reflection on her love for her husband and what exactly about that was changing. She was so committed to him and to understanding him and helping him, but she really reached a non-negotiable limit.
one scene that really stuck out to me is near the end of the 18 months, he is flouncing around in a pink frilly tutu dress and asking Shannon what she thinks of it. ANd if he had any connection to her, he would have known that pink frilliness was never her style. But for some reason he though she would like the pink frilly dress? IT was this incredibly heartbreaking moment of how much he had erased about her , forgotten about her as he became completely self-obsessed. Or maybe it's just normal dude behavior. By that time in the book, even I knew Shannon's style better than the man she'd been in a relationship with for 15 years. its really struck me. (I edited to clarify some unclear pronouns.)
@@ebert8756 even if a (non-ballerina) woman had done that, it would indicate some sort of emotional or mental illness, perhaps caused by physical imbalance in the brain.
@@ebert8756dancing around like a fruit in a foofy pink dress & forgetting everything you know about your wife is not normal dude behavior, wtf.
@@matthewatwood8641I thought she meant that a man not knowing what his wife's favortite styles are is normal
@@canelareina3795 That's how I took it. Putting the foofy dress aside - obviously abnormal behavior for a man though it is - it's not normal for a man who's been married for years to not know anything about his wife anymore all of a sudden.
Wow. That's totally unethical of that therapist to do that.
Doctors do it to
A male friend of mine was married to a woman who said she wanted a divorce because she discovered she was lesbian. So my male friend in an attempt to save his marriage starting to say he was non-binary and later a trans woman. His wife still divorced him and is with a man! She was never a lesbian, she was trying to just let him down easy I guess? Anyway, my male friend still decided to go through with being trans, he is a 6'2 240lb trans woman now. I am not making this up, I live in California and have another friend who was a 4'11 female that transitioned into a gay trans man. Yes, the 4'11 female is still attracted to men but wanted to be a gay man. They were 24 and my other friend was 32 when they transitioned. Both transitioned before covid, neither has had a sexual relationship since, both are on anti-depressants and the male to female transition has had a lot of complications. I don't ask if they regret it but if we were placing bets I would put my money on it that they do.
Fun to transition him..like a toy?
Yeah, totally messed up. What a therapist!
@@jaredtopilko1313 Needs to have her license revoked and charged with interfering with a patient's therapy.
I've had enough of the alphabet mafia
it's not an appropriate treatment for any child or adult.
Sad. Sick. Almost beyond belief. This is truly horrifying.
yes. she is a terrible person.
What??
The whole field of psychology is making Scientology's criticism of them true. Insane
By scientology's standards, she will be labelled as a "suppressive person" by getting in her husband's way of transitioning.
Thank you for speaking out, Sharon.
I don't like the idea of divulging marriage matters but this is a matter of public safety so makes sense as this is not an isolated case but rather a mass trend as masses of children and teens are being subjected to grooming, propaganda and porno contributing to time, life, money waste and physical and emotional gendergaga pain.
So no one should talk about their experiences as married people? That sounds very healthy.
@ls-l1518 I think what they mean is that there is a difference between publicly shaming your spouse (which is a form of manipulation) and informing others. In this case, this lady was informing others of the consequences of gender ideology in a marriage. However some people use social media to publicly shame and coerce their spouses into doing what they want.
@@youtubecommentator6023 The comment has veen totally edited. It said before, you should never discuss your marriage in public. And that was what I replied to.
I also am a lifelong liberal, and I am horrified by what is going on with this trans nonsense in schools and with kids. It is child abuse.
With the plethora of Liberal Left insane ideologies destroying our civilization, I'm always astounded when people still claim to be a Liberal. The Classical Liberal is now considered to be part of the Conservative side. Look it up.
Then stop voting "D", the Democrat party has been hijacked by the extremists! I'm an Independent, voted for and was a supporter of Bill Clinton, but the modern Democrat party is NOTHING like it was under him.
Come 2029 this whole thing will collapse due to children young people killing themselves after their bodies been destroyed mutilating and maybe parents killing themselves for allowing this. It’s absolutely tragic what has happened. 🤮👿👺☠️
She said something very important. He felt like something biological was turning him into a woman. That's the key. Low testosterone, environmental estrogens damaging men's biology. Yes, I studied this in college 40+ years ago.
There seems to be a huge decrease in T levels across the population. Do you think low T makes men trans?
@@someonesomeone25 I do not think that alone causes trans. Real trans is a body dysmorphia much like anorexia. However, if you have low T and introduce an estrogen such as plant estrogens, it probably causes body problems but I believe you'd have to have the mental piece as well.
Absolutely. It’s in the water we drink and cook with.
@@someonesomeone25My mind was about to go off into a huge mental trip with this one, but then I remembered there are many girls transitioning to boys and having their uteruses and breast removed. Could that be caused by another type of endocrine disruptor, because that’s not a low T issue
@@No._1_Karen Off the top of my head, I wonder if there's a connection between rising numbers of autism and rising numbers of lgbtq+ (since there's a connection between the two)?
Thank you for taking the risk to speak up about your experiences.
8:32 I can attest to this. The family member involved had a long and intensifying history of delusions of persecution (as well as other mental health issues). These persisted after he "transed."
“Whatever language works for them”. That rather defeats the purpose and function of language. Difficult to communicate when people are using words willy nilly however they work for them.
Postmodernism
That must have been so disorienting and traumatizing for this woman. To have the man who’s become your lover, your protector, your security & safety just crumble into this must be absolutely jarring. I can’t imagine any man in my life becoming this, especially my now future husband!
Evil is thickening in our world.
True, but people rose to the challenge and are fighting back like in no other moment in history. Let God help us to win.
Your religious language is not helping. Societies have problems that can be explained and solved. Labeling anything bad as "evil" and screaming lord is not the most rational or productive way to deal with problems.
@@tangerinetangerine4400 - funny! Following Gods timeless laws actually solve pretty much all of humanities problems.
And usually, God is way better at fixing things we humans have messed up through ‘sin’, than any human (other than Jesus) ever can!
Read some accurate church history.. Thomas Aquinas, st Augustine, or even CS Lewis, Screw Tape Letters..
Shannon's book is Excellent. Called 18 Months and is so truthful and informative.
Thank you for your Courage in Speaking on this subject, and for sharing your personal experience. 💖
I have to note: that her liberal (and not in the arts sense), but in the ‘anything goes’ sense, led her down the rabbit hole of amoral behaviour. What I mean is, than when everything is OK, then, anything goes, and there are no guiding precepts from which to draw. I would suspect that the husband was similarly inclined, hence where they ended up- with nothing. We definitely reap what sow.
It's all rainbows and unicorns, until it knocks on your door, and you have to stare into its ugly face.
If you think only liberals go down the transgender rabbit hole, I've got news for you. In fact, "trans widows" with traditional values are speaking up in the comments- don't leave them out of the discourse. It is tempting to find a simple explanation- and thus a simple solution.
EXACTLY
Absolutely. She created this situation.
Yes, his uncontrollable use of porn shows there were no moral boundaries. Porn is so evil and destructive.
Shannon Thrace is always a voice of wisdom and insight.
I’ve been involved in this from the very beginning, it’s now going on for a decade, and I still can’t comprehend what’s happening. I just cannot believe that mass delusion has spread so widely throughout our society, it’s just shocking.
It was only gays in the beginning, not sure how straight men came up with gender and sexuality are two different things
@@ReginaTrans_ gender and sexuality are two different things. I think you might be confused about what each thing is.
I wonder if andropause (the male form of menopause) is effecting men and they might actually need test not estrogen. We will never know though because they are afraid to ask any questions.
There is no male form of menopause. Wtf are you talking about?
Modern men’s T levels are low and estrogen levels are too high.
My cousin who is a paramedic and fireman. He went to the doctor and his testosterone was incredible low. They said it was all the stress of his job. This world has a lot of stress right now. Back in the day people would die early. Now they live longer but it's like mentally we are frayed.
It’s cause of soy being promoted. Soy has estrogen. European blooded males and Caucasians in general need meat.
What are you talking about? I am my 50's. I heard something about this. It is just simply not true. False equivalence.
@@albertogutierrez72Wait until you get to sixty five! Why do you think old men cry over stupid movies? Why do you think it takes us all night to do what we did all night? Enjoy your libido while you have it!
Thank you for speaking, and im just mortified that people end up going through this sort of trauma.
I am just learning about the impact of the trans laws and am appalled. You are very brave and it is people like you that are leading the awareness. I will read your book. It occurs to me at this stage that anyone who is responsible for putting these laws on the books is responsible for misinformation.
What laws are you talking about?
It might all be back to normal one day...after the pharmaceutical companies and doctors etc, have earnt the big bucks out of this.
After they have been sued, and loose money.
So true.
The ones earning the big bucks always want MORE, so suing all of them til they fear being broke is the answer.
I can't wondering whether this ladies liberal background help set her up for a great big fall. It certainly appears to have brought her into what became a toxic relationship.
It sounds like they had a good relationship before his transition. Maybe his liberal values made him susceptible to this bizarre trend, but from another post (@UteHeggenTranswidowHeals), it looks like traditional couples are vulnerable, too.
It mmay be in smaller numbers, but non liberal couples are also at risk.
Of course it did. She was ok with all this stuff.
@@ShunyamNiketana he didn't 'transition' to anything. no human being can transition to the opposite sex.
What she experienced was the logical end result of the kind of radical lifestyles she supported.
You're gut is telling you the truth.
Thank you Shannon, powerful words.
her watching her husband change.. not realizing she was watching mental health deterioration
Considering the indication of porn as a factor in her husband's case, it sounds like he not only had body dysmorphic disorder but also autogynephilia.
I can’t imagine how hard this was..
How sad
I wonder how long this process was for her ex-husband. It's strange, a full-grown man with set hobbies, and at first, no obvious reason to do this suddenly flips over the course of a few months.
The porn doesn't help.
The therapist didn't help, obviously. I was going to say but-, but i realize social media is more powerful than we realize. So what is the real reason people keep becoming these victims to this mind set.
There has to be a lead up to this.
Demonic that's what happend.
@@amandaamadori7756 god could even do better to explain the processes because at least god would be able to pinpoint the exact location at where it happened. You're no better than the Salem witch hunt folks, nor did you in any firm substance awnser my actual question.
Psychosis can manifest at anytime.
@helenestiernstrand6575 your awnser also did not directly answer my question either with as vauge as it was. 🤦♀️
@@rizavixen Its a plain answer to your pondering on how this change might have come about so all of a sudden.
That was brave and bold, Shannon, thank you for sharing, giving further insights to those of us navigating the modern world with responsibilities for children.
Well, “transition” is not anything that actually factually exists. It’s simulation at best.
THIS. It’s all make-believe.
This happened to friends of mine. He was in his 50's when he essentially blew up his marriage and family. He went all the way with the surgery. He was a big man and was NEVER going to resemble a woman. A few years later, he realized the transition DID NOT SOLVE HIS PROBLEMS. He now lives again as a man and also alone. SAD.
And without his pp
Jesus saved me from the mess of thinking I was genderfluid/male and brought me happiness. He is still working on making me into who he intends me to be - a beautiful young woman full of joy and curiosity
Shannon's book is amazing and everyone should read it. I went through something similar with an ex-fiance. He started with bras and panties under his normal clothes, and quickly progressed to pink sparkly manicures and outward feminine dress. I didn't like it but I still tried to be supportive and open-minded, but I left when I caught him using fetish groups to cheat. Unsurprisingly he told everyone I left because I was a bigot who couldn't accept the "real him". Oh sorry, the real HER 🙄 This man was a 6'9" fat bald autogynephile demanding the right to involve unwilling participants in his fetish, but yeah I was the villain. I have two friends who lost their husbands to malignant autogynephilia as well, and were also smear-campaigned for leaving. This happens to a LOT of women and I for one am sick to death of the onus being on us to joyfully embrace losing the men we fell in love with.
Yes! I like that you said we need to tell the truth!
Something about middle age men that go weird. Some say perverted. And then say "I've been living a lie ".
The marriage should have never happened, he was hiding his true identity as many do.
"Fun"???!!!!!!!! Good grief!!!!!!!
Well done on your presentaion Shannon! ❤
The entire therapy world has gone to h*ll... or... I think it just always sucked.
to much greed and money involved.
I have been to multiple therapists over the years. A few good, a few bad. It's not right to judge all of therapy over one or two bad examples.
I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse that started at age 5. My first disclosure to a therapist I was told it doesn't happen to boys, which just increased my mental health issues. I saw a second therapist who decided instead she wanted to treat me for "grief counseling" over the death of the very person who sexual abused me for ten years because she was uncomfortable talking about sexual trauma. I eventually found an amazing therapist at a rape crisis center who helped me get my mental health in shape. I spent 7 years at the crisis center, and unfortunately went through several therapist(all were EXCELLENT) because it seemed like they all found better paying jobs elsewhere. I know many others who have had great success as well.
I'm not going by one or two bad examples; I'm going by hundreds. I've seen more than 12 therapists myself over the last 25 years, and gotten 4 for my children. I've also been in online groups for parents who are suffering severely from bad therapists. I'd say in my own experience, it's a wash. The half that were good managed to help me recover from the trauma inflicted upon me of those that were bad. Kind of like they cancelled all therapy out, and I'm back to where I would have been if I'd just talked to my cat. Sounds like you're in somewhat of a similar situation. :/ @@RingoHalliday
Mostly by big pharma, who basically owns all therapists who use insurance. The others are considered to be discriminating against the poor. How can they win?@@kellharris2491
The use of porn can actually change our idiology. It has a stronger, and I think a negative affect on the mind than any drug abuse or alcohol use. 13:03
LOVE HOW SHE PREFACED THIS WITH SAYING: SHE’S BISEXUAL, WORKED AT DRAG SHOWS, ETC… AND YET THE MILITANT NON-BINARY TRANS PEOPLE WILL STILL SCREAM TRANSPHOBIA
2010hotmale2010....But that's part of the problem! She's an activist in experimental sexual exploration. Also bisexuality doesn't exist. It's just just
Lust
The therapist enabled vulnerable narcissism, and should be held liable.
As soon as a man starts cross dressing with me especially during sex, I would have ended the relationship right there. If that was not the situation you signed on for it is time to move on. I think it is important for couples when they first start dating to start asking more questions about what their predilections are and what fantasies they my have sexually. I think people don't have those honest discussions enough at the beginning.
If there is an agreement understood about sexual and gender roles then there should be an understanding of fidelity as long as that relationship exists. Each party should be accountable for their own happiness and should disclose when they start feeling unhappy in the relationship. If after both inner work with themselves and outer work with each other they no longer match up they should cut their losses to allow either party to find contentment elsewhere. Neither party should put a burden on the other to fulfill their happiness particularly when one has to totally change themselves to accommodate the other to do so.
Due to the changes in society, few marriages will last a lifetime. Even if there is no drastic change like gender transition some people evolve over time and may want to move on to another life. Just my 2 cents.
You stated:
"I think it is important for couples when they first start dating to start asking more questions about what their predilections are and what fantasies they my have sexually. I think people don't have those honest discussions enough at the beginning. "
I agree with you that communication is very important, especially in matters that will effect a relationship, and this extends to conversation are sex and sexuality. I had two things that had a disastrous impact on my marriage. The first was that I was sexually abused as a child from age 5 to 15. This left me with PTSD and I would have flashbacks to the abuse during sex, which lead to me not wishing to have sex, and lead to my wife threatening to leave. I was able to seek therapy, and with a psychologist was prescribed medications. I have also been able to be in support groups. My mental health is much better.
That all said, I'm going to more directly address your comment about discussing sexuality. My abuse alone made talking about sex an uncomfortable thing, even with my wife. In addition, my first girlfriend I had as an adult laughed at me when I told her about kinks and fetishes. She continued to make fun of me over what I told her for the remained of our relationship. This lead to never talking to any other partner, including my wife for a very long time. In fact we first started dating in 2006, married in 2010, and it was not until six months ago that I finally opened up and told her what I desired with her. It honestly turned into a very positive conversation, but it was extremely difficult to initiate that conversation.
That all said. I think what Shannon's husband did was terrible. He did her a great disservice by involving her in that in that way. What would have been more fair would be to either leave her and transition after, or give her a clear option to stay through it.
But at the end of the day, there are those of us who either have been shamed for sexual desires already, or have reason to fear shame, and are forced to then stay quiet. Its a real shame, but its true. I also think it has only gotten worse in recent years.
@@RingoHalliday I empathize with your situation. Sorry you had to go through that. It sounds like you guys were already in a relationship when you started the discussion. I also get it when people are afraid to disclose.
I hope this does not sound too disappointing but I personally believe that if a person rejects one it's time for one to move on. I don't care how many months, weeks, or years one has invested in that relationship.
That's why I say that fidelity is an important element in a relationship. I believe as adults that we should be seeking happiness for ourselves as individuals before getting in a relationship. And within that relationship, one should continue to seek to be responsible for their own happiness. Personally, I think a lot of people get in relationships to fill a void that's within themselves.
In the case of the woman in this video and her husband, I believe the husband never was a whole person. They were probably seeking out the woman to fill an emptiness in themselves instead of filling that emptiness as an individual first before getting into a relationship. Unfortunately She had to pay the price that he should have paid before even being with her.
And even if he discovered that he was evolving as an adult, he should disclose that change when it started to percolate. As a grown adult that is his responsibility. Emotionally he was not behaving as a fully actualized adult and was expecting his partner to be the parent that possibly one or both of his parents were not.
@@jossangeles4011everything you've said is so right. Few people are that mature and well adjusted.
@@lornocford6482 Agreed. Especially today.
Can relate to a lot of this. Thankfully, I can also say that my life since losing my marriage to gender-belief has become so much better than I imagined it could be.
Very respectful of the audience to eat and make noise while she's speaking. Super respectful. I'm happy they were at least paying attention....
I have a feeling there was a lot more going on with Jaimie than just his gender, that he held secret from you, even though you thought you had good communication.
Her husband has autogynophilia. I’m not sure why she never mentions this maybe she didn’t know about it but she wrote a whole book so it’s strange she calls her husband trans when he isn’t.
Exactly. It's concerning that he went on to being involved with children.
Thank you for your honesty.
How devastating for this poor woman.
It’s a very sad fact that many of us are so susceptible to psychological suggestions/ coercion.
I think it’s TikTok, instagram and Facebook that are influencing the suggestible youth, and I have heard that pornography is a factor in many incidents of gender confusion.
Of a liberal background. My husband was trans'tioned by a psych'gist we employed while homeschooling, as req'd by Ca law.
TIMs I have known have extreme stereotypes they adhere to. Macho and girly. Depending on identification at the time.
thank you for speaking out...god bless
Protect your children from pornography!
She was a liberal until it knocked at her door.
Yup
EXACTLY!
That sounds like primarily a mental health problem, especially if his family has a tendency for it.
I work as a psych nurse, we have to address them with their preferred pronouns and treat them and call them as the gender they identify with. Make that make sense.
Ok the ppl on here are you really listening to her?? She 100% enabled this man for years.
Aaaah she wrote book of course
You can't enable or prevent another adult to do what they want. You can just choose to stay or leave. I think she loved him.
She didn't realize she WAS on the SLIPPERY SLOPE....
"my life was turning into a charade" .. T's want everyone to play charades w/them. unfortunately, it's easy to get young minds to play.
Do you think it was predominantly or exclusively pornography that fueled Jamie's inclinations, or was it the internet in general which allows individuals unfettered access to nearly an infinite amount of information both credible and misleading?
A lot of it is porn use, especially something called sissy porn.
She said his family also has a history of mental illness. So that's also genetic and environment creating a predisposition.
@@kellharris2491 Jamie's family has a history of mental illness in general, or a history of gender dysphoria specifically?
I don't think it was the internet. With young people and people with learning difficulties or mental health problems, it totally is a danger, but not for a functioning adult. However, if he had a history of mental illness being a lack of strong sense of self identity, it likely was.
Mostly, it was probably porn especially if he identifies as a lesbian which he probably does.
The solution is simple: abolish gender/sex differences altogether. Problem solved, no more division or confusion.
It's just common sense to question this phenomenon. Thanks for this story. ❤ ☮️
It sounds like Jaime perhaps, suffered from "low T", which can be caused by many things.
This psychologist is exactly why I no longer trust the profession.