The Norwich 90 | Felixstowe to Harwich Ferry
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- čas přidán 19. 11. 2019
- In All The Station 2017, we missed a trick when we got to Harwich and came straight back, not realising there was a farry that could have take us across the water to get to Felixstowe.
So coupled up with a trip on the new 'Norwich 90' (thanks, Greater Anglia), we set out to Norwich, back to Ipswich, and over to Felixstowe to get the Harwich Harbour Ferry ... but did we make it? Will Vicki get to do an explore?
Hello! I've been watching your videos for 4 years, I think, I'd never taken notice that Vicki is from Norwich. Silly me. This I'm going to comment here has little to do with the video's content but it's got me quite nostalgic. *STORY TIME* I'm from Argentina. Back in 2000 I was studying English at a local school and I got the chance to meet an English guy who'd came to my country (following her Argentinian girlfriend) and was teaching there. He happened to be from Norwich, a place I'd never heard of before and one he loved more than anything. He would talk endlesslessly about his beloved city, describing it to me, sending me postcards whenever he could go back for the holidays. Exactly 15 years later I was able to make a dream come true: go to the UK! And of course I went to visit my now friend who was living back in Norwich. I took a train from London - the 1h 50m one, ha - and spent lovely 3 days walking around that beautiful city. *END OF STORY TIME*
Argentina hate England eh
Wait, Argentinians actually like British people? 😂😂😂
MAN is it good to hear the All The Stations theme song again!
I forgot how much I missed that theme music!
Yes, especially with the original GB map titles!! You're having the same fortunes with that boat as I'd been having with the Gerald train in Wales!! I managed to catch breakfast on it on the return journey, and had a nice plate of sea bass on the way up to Chester, so persevere, you will get that boat eventually!! (2032 or 2033...who knows, Crossrail may be open by then...!!)😂
it's very entertaining.
06:58 TEU is Twenty foot Equivalent Unit. A twenty foot long shipping container is one TEU. A forty foot long shipping container is two TEU. The capacity of a container vessel is quoted in TEU.
why twenty feet?
@@MatthewBarras There are larger sizes like 45, 48 and 53ft containers, though most are 20 or 40.
Before there were modern container cranes and specialized truck chassis-containers were moved by forklifts and improvised crane arrangements. A 20 foot container was the largest that could be easily moved. Nobody knew that 40 foot was going to become the standard.
@@MatthewBarras 10 and 30ft exist, but they're comparatively rare. 10ft containers, in particular, seem to be popular lockups at sports grounds and scout campsites.
@@dansummers2965 30ft is more seen in European road and rail services as there are a lot of trailers and wagons out there which have a capacity of 60ft.
Does anyone else cheer right up when that theme tune starts?
Yep
Yes
Me
Sub
Geoff: good with trains, rubbish at boats
Ambitious boat rubbish
All the Stations, none of the Ferries
@@RoyCousins None of the PORTS, you mean
@@RoyCousins They took the Isle of Wight ferry - oh, wait, did they? :)
Couldn’t of put it any better lol
11:39 It's the fort that counts!
Ferry unimpressed.
good to see they had the mental fortitude to hold it together and stay positive.
Fun fact: there is one single parliamentary train, departing Harwich Int'l at 7:50 every morning and arrives at Cambridge at 9:42. It then departs Cambridge at 19:47 and arrive at Harwich Int'l at 21:45. A lot of Cambridge students used to take this train to catch the sleeper ferry to Netherlands, Belgium, Germany and beyond. Although night ferry gradually fell out of existance (only the one to Netherlands run today), the train remains.
I have used that exact train for that very purpose!
@@benkolya Wow that's amazing! What year was that?
@@eastpavilion-er6081 2017 I think
I think that's a connection train for the ship rather than a Parliamentary service. In the past it had run from Peterborough or beyond; there's a regular service from Cambridge to Ipswich most of the day, that journey's just extended to Harwich International to connect with the sailing.
Not so sure it's a parliamentary; there's a Harwich - Lowestoft at 21h53 which uses the curve at Manningtree too. No return service on that one though.
The Lowestoft train could become the parly if they deleted the Cambridge train; does it get used much as a boat train?
An August 1972 early evening found me in Liverpoolstreet station waiting for my train to Harwich PQ and the nightferry to Hoek van Holland. My total amount of cash and/or travellers cheques after two weeks travelling with BR across the length and breath of the UK was nought, my supper beeing a very tasty Mars bar. Luckily my ferry ticket came with a breakfast voucher (¡¡¡ Yeah !!!). Good times and good memories ;) A couple of decades later I travelled on a genuine Thumper from Norwich to Great Yarmouth, now there's not many people that can say that I think.
"From Norwich,it's the train of the week!""
It's the SAIL of the century!
That line was too darn good for 15 likes.
@@DavidShepheard That's just makes a great post even better. Thanks
Doesn't get any better than a Geoff and Vicki video! 👍✔😊 Loved this! 💕
Ahh yay, London to Norwich by Class 90 - one of my favourite journeys!! The old coaches are still super comfy and it's a lovely journey :)
AJCantFail yep couldn’t agree more, had a journey on them a few weeks back, a full hrs sleep in one of those comfy seats 🙂 a shame to see them go soon
TEU = Twenty Foot Equivalent Unit. Container Shipping was invented in New Jersey, USA. I really enjoy your videos! Thank You!
TEU: Twenty Foot Equivalent unit, so a 45 foot (13.7 Meters) container is usually a 2-TEU, so if the ship is rated 20,000 TEU's, it can max out at 10,000 2-TEU containers.
Just so good to hear that tune again :)
Im from felixstowe and to see you guys there and showing it off on youtube makes me so happy, im a bus driver for first buses in ipswich so if your ever down this way again feel free to get in touch, love all your channels great watch everytime
I'm slightly disappointed there was no end tag after the music!
I'm not the only one to notice that then.
I have said it before on a few of your videos that you are both great ambassadors, not just for the railways, but branching out a bit with Victoria, into the history of places around the railway. The mention of the Dutch attempted invasions reminds me that Queenborough on the Isle of Sheppey (Up the Ites), has a Victory celebration once a year.
NSE electro-mechanical clock at 0:27!!
Amazing that the Greater Anglia train didn't break down between Diss and Stowmarket like usual.
That’s happened to me like 10 times
well, I suppose its the fort that counts
Was looking for Harwich in the original All the Stations! Good to see
Hi Geoff love your videos, can't wait for more Vicki explores.
Loving the videos and loving the exploring videos
Chelmsford (on the line)! Fun facts...
1. One of newest cities in UK
2. Has one of the smallest cathedrals
3. May have the busiest 2 station platform in the whole of the UK
4. May have a second station
May have a second station? Don't you know?
#ScrodingersStation
@@DavidShepheard its been debated for a while, Im not sure if theyve started building it.... it might be called Chelmsford Beaulieu if it ever gets built
I remember staying in Harwich for a week. One day we decided to take the ferry to Felixstowe, and went to the pier. We were told the boats were cancelled because the sea was too rough. A couple of days later we tried again, and this time we made the crossing to Felixtowe and back. This was about 50 years ago . Sounds like some things never change.
Great video! Enjoy Norwich in 90 while you can with a class 90. Sorry to hear the boat didn't run but at least you got to visit the fort!
0:52 is really making me excited to watch the video!
My god, that first train was so noisy
Pretty standard for BR MK3 coaches. Used to make my commute to work with the HST's a nightmare. Good riddance to them!
Im so happy he went to my childhood. I live in ipswich and on saturdays go to felixstowe this is amazing
You can see the top of the cranes at Felixstowe when standing on top of the Lavenham Church tower which as the crow flies is about 25 miles.
Nice Video👍👍👍👍
And the best: Slam doors...😍
ice fahrer slam doors 👍 super comfortable carriages those
David Explores! TEU = Twenty Foot Equivalent Unit, ie a container which goes on lorry, train or a ship! Just confuse though most containers are actually 40ft long instead (ie a 2 TEU)
The Otter would be lighter, as we all know 'ot-air rises.
@@davidbutton3500 That's why I go for Chicken Tarka. It's like a Tikka but 'otter.
Lovely, thank you 👏
I've used the Felixstowe/Harwich ferry a few times (cycle from Ipswich to Felixstowe; cross with the ferry; then cycle back from Harwich) and even when it is running, it's not always obvious where to board in Felixstowe...and not always from the same exact place!
What a let down-not being able to use the ferry even thought you had paid for it. Never mind the vicki explores was a nice impromptu excursion.
How much does it cost? Presumably they got a refund.
I was hoping you’d do this. I’ve taken it on the Harwich-Felixstowe joirney and was amused by the hi-tec docking method. (For context the boat crashes into the beach)
There’s a two-per-day parlimentary train from Lowestoft-Harwich international (that way in the morning and the return in the evening) that you might want to go on (it’s the only train to use the north curve of the manningtree junction)
Should that not be the parliamentary Cambridge to Harwich International trains?
There are several which use the Manningtree North curve. Not strictly Parliamentary. They run to connect with the morning arrival from Europe Mainland, allowing direct rail connections to East Anglia towns without having to change at Manningtree.
Correction: two other trains use the curve, one to cambridge in the morning and an evening return
Going through my hometown too.. God old Ipswich 🎉
You two are so darned positive, it scares me!
6:01 "How long is a piece of string?" - that's obvious... It is twice as long as from the middle to one end!
I heard that someone in Australia came up with the answer of 'Just over 9 meters long' after conducting a survey of people & averaging their answers...
Another favourite one was, "How long will the next bus be?"
"Oh, about 37ft, same length as this one..." 🤪
What is funny is that its called the 90 to Norwich, it takes 90 minutes, and the carriages are pulled by class 90's :)
00:51 Teaser Clip 4 Here? Yes, I'd like one of those, please.
Teaser Clip 4 omg
remeber ages ago when you said you'd leave that in one day :)
Interesting stuff Geoff; there seems to be a lot going-on in that corner at the moment.
TEU stands for Twenty-foot equivalent, meaning it’s the number of containers (each of 20ft) that it can carry.
2:59 Also know as "The Old Farm" … like "The Old Firm" in Glasgow … Geddit?
In England there are some other similar short cut ferries which shave 10 or more miles off the alternative road connection.
They range from a rowing boat (for which you stand at quayside and ring a ships bell) to the likes of Bournemouth - Swanage where the local frequent double deck bus actually rides on the ferry.
In rough weather, the driver has to wait for a suitable break between waves in order to board the bus, complete with onboard passengers gripping on.
Scotland, of-course, is an entirely different world in this subject, where a single bus route can actually include two ferry crossings at different points along its route, and again - actually ON the ferry.
I liked an impromtu Vicky explores. Thank You.
You could get from Norwich to Liverpool Street in 90 mins back in 1994, as I often did. It too just had the one stop at Ipswich.
The music... So good
Funny thing is, that had you reached Harwich, you would have been just a few kms from Hoek van Holland. It says so on the traffic signs in Hoek van Holland!
it's a bit more than a few kilometres.. i used to take the overnight crossing harwich to hoek van holland to visit a girlfriend who was working there. so much easier than flying
'It's really damp and windy' - yes, welcome to felixstowe 😁
Makes for a better walk by the sea though, who wants sunshine when you're stomping past the Spa Pavillion!
At 10:13 I was waiting for the 'Its really windy' excerpt from Ireland
Sames 😂
Thought that Vicki was from King's Lynn.
Would you really want to admit to that though?
Yes, she did say that in a previous video. Perhaps Vicki was born in Norwich and moved to King’s Lynn later on in her childhood?
Hi guys, I recommend the Gravesend to Tilbury ferry as a great link between South eastern and C2C services. It is the last public crossing of the Thames before it goes out to sea. Would make a great video
Southend - Kent Sheppey/Gravesend
TEU stands for Twentyfoot Equivalent Unit. Shipping containers come in 20ft or 40ft long sizes and we use this term for pricing. A 40ft is 2 TEU's for example. I own a shipping company but it's interesting to pass on information. The world's biggest ship has about 22000 TEU capacity.
You were riding a class 90 on the Norwich 90 the train suits the route!
I guess not having the boat ride was the outtake? Miss your funny bit at the end!
If the boat isn't running don't they run a replacement bus service...
It would seem not, but the Gravesend - Tilbury Ferry had a replacement bus when that was out of action for a couple of weeks. (That doesn't run after 7pm any more, or at all on Sundays though).
It would take a while for the bus to cover Harwich - Felixstowe though - they're a stone's throw almost from each other across the water, but miles apart by land. In the absence of the ferry, train via Ipswich would undoubtedly be quickest I would have thought.
I did actually take a ferry replacement bus once. The Porec (Croatia) to Venice ferry was cancelled, they put on a bus that drove round, via Slovenia...
Busses can't swim...
@@DerekHartley Succinctly put sir!! (I waffled too much!!) 😳
This bus can go on water and on land m.czcams.com/video/gLbeEztxqf0/video.html and this bus is from Singapore also can go on wather and on land m.czcams.com/video/jK1feK9gss8/video.html
I think the ferry only runs April to 3rd November but not to worry, still an adventure and its the trains that count!
I fort it was almost identical to the Fort in Eastbourne.
As for the invisible ferry. When you go to Harwich, if it runs that day, then just get a last minute return trip. 🤔☺️
I love the retro Network South-East platform clocks at Liverpool St
Happy days, the All The Stations signature tune .... and other modes of transport.
That was more of a Geoff Expounds rather than a Geoff Explores.
I commend the correct use of the Original All The Stations GB Theme.
The twenty-foot equivalent unit (often TEU or teu) is an inexact unit of cargo capacity often used to describe the capacity of container ships and container terminals. It is based on the volume of a 20-foot-long (6.1 m) intermodal container, a standard-sized metal box which can be easily transferred between different modes of transportation, such as ships, trains and trucks.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-foot_equivalent_unit
So what was the reason for ferry not running, was it the weather? But loved Vicki's Fort tour, all the same
I live in Harwich 😁 You do need to visit, there is so much to see.
Not much to see.Should take all of two hours.
Ryan Essex Im assuming you don’t live in Harwich then.
@@ryanessex7978 Does that include a visit to the cinema?
@@2H80vids I think its shut atm. Maintenance.
What was the app you had used to check the timings via the junctions?
Great video btw
5:49 ...and the first 4-car 755s are running there now, but no 3-car yet.
If you're doing ferries from Harwich, you should try the Dutch Flyer!
The Class 755s for the Felixstowe Line has arrived !!. Come to east Anglia again soon and give them a go !
The Inaugural service ran yesterday with a 4 coach Class 755 (755412)
Is it Ipswich or Bolton? There's a pet shop with a Dead parrot somewhere there...
It's in Notlob I believe... :-)
there's apparently a 4 car 755 on the Felixstowe line now, because the 3-car ones aren't in service yet!
I've lived in Felixstowe ALL my life and ive never been on the ferry. Very disappointed that i missed you two as well :( as I'm 10 minute walk away from the view point :(
6:22 that's not a train, it's a million rivets on wheels.
It was built by Leyland Bus, that's how they put the panels together
Please do give it another try coming to Harwich i live there and work on the pier the ferry goes from be great to see you guys 😀😀😀
The ferry to Harwich comes in at the bottom of the extremely steep shingle beach. Presumably depending on the state of the tide. When I used it, although I'd booked, and spoken to the booking office, I was very concerned about whether it would arrive, and where! Particularly as I was booked on the ferry from Harwich to Hook of Holland and probably no other way of getting to Harwich in the time available, apart from a very expensive taxi. Well worth trying again - preferably in the summer ☀️. I'd like to know where the ferry Quay at Harwich scores on Vicki's quaintometer.
From a post on FB I see they've upgraded the boat from the one I remember 🏴☠️
LOVE the fort!
Vicki is delightful
I recommend your viewers to this free "sailing tour".
The day I crossed, the tiny ferry had to skillfully manoeuver between three massive container ships all on the move at the same time, towering high above us!!!!!!
At Harwich, there is a nice ferryside cafe by the old historic quarter of Harwich, while you wait for your dep. And on the Suffolk side, stagecoach 77 deps. shortly after each ferry arrival to take you via Felixstowe seaside to its station.
The carriages of the train to Norwich sound incredibly squeaky.
@Reece Very past their sell by.
Welcome to all the 90s Norwich 90 and class 90s
Class 755’s have started on the Felixstowe line! 🙂
Rewatching the video, for those from else where, when two two plays local rivals play the are called Derbys, Rangers v Celtic football matches are called the Old Firm Derby. Many fans called Norwich City against Ipswich Town the Old Farm Derby! It is a sort of friendly insult.
teu = Twenty foot Equivalent Unit, so every 20-feet container is 1 teu, a 40-feet container is 2 teu,...
If you make it to Harwich quite a historic town, among other things to see, (light ship light houses couple of small museums, the original home of the captain of the Mayflower ) you should visit the ridoubt partner Fort to landguard Fort and bigger.
seen a good few of the former GA 90s in Manchester with Freightliner
Geoff what app are you using to tell when a train passes a station?
Trash Free norwich, Seem's sad without the class 37's trashing about. :( Still miss them. 6:18 I love them, I love it when they do a 156 and 153 service in the summer will be missed. 5:33 That's just two 755's coupled up, 745's are at Mid Norfolk Railway right now, Yes the ''Choo Choo's''..
I used to get those but from Stratford to Norwich and occasionally straight to great Yarmouth
Great vid
The first 755 went to Felixstowe in service on Tuesday- bit different to the 153 you went on!
I spotted 'Teaser Clip 4 Here'!
I want to know what Jeff and Vicky do for work?
Just curious,
Shame about the ferry, but the impromptu Vicky Explores of Landguard Fort was a big positive. I'm going to have to add that to my visit list.
Just checked our Database, the MSC Venice has a capacity of 16652 TEU, pretty big but biggest is 21413
In the event of the train taking longer than 90 minutes, they can always claim that the 90 is in reference to the class 90 that provides the motive power for the service.
And TEU is the number of containers the ship can carry.
Wow again harwich gets shafted, this time by our foot ferry.
A shame as I'm sure that harwich has a little to offer, for one thing there are lovely railway posters in the pier hotel, and theres the old railway boat pier, not generally accessible to the public due to trinity house but the lift / hoist building is still prominently on the harwich skyline.
We also have the redoubt fort and beacon hill forts to explore.
Harwich is a shitehole
I'd never heard of the Battle of Landguard Fort. I've looked it up thanks to this video, and it turns out to be one of UK's most important victories. The Dutch had already wooped the Royal Navy in the Medway, and stolen it's best ships. If the Dutch had then managed to storm this fort they would have had a safe anchorage to blocked London from, and the humiliating defeat and, economic collapse that would probably have followed, would have made the British Empire .unlikely at best