@@silverfox8801 What's your point? Are you taking responsibility for the poor quality of black belts nowadays? If you have been in MA for 40 years what did you do to prevent what it has become? OR are you just whining and boasting but didn't do shit?
Go try what you just saw and watch how fast you get hit and how ridiculously in shape some of them are.....you don't know shit,except the past...everything evolves for the better,that's the nature of all things
Bobby Fischer Bro I met him at a doctors office years ago in the waiting room, he told me who he was when he read the Japanese writing on my shirt which said “Kyokushin Karate” I thought he was just a rambling old man but then I went home and researched him and nearly shit myself.
The first sequence was Shotokan the way I learned it. You can't build a big business teaching that. People don't want to get hurt and want "belts". There are still a few small old school teachers worldwide.
nandi123 A lot of the scenes in the video are not real shotokan karate. This is the same as american kickboxing (throwing lots of wild and not targeted punches with big gloves). In real Shotokan Kumite one targetted powerful punch should end the fight. The first scene is quite good, but what annoys me is the scene at 0:19. This guy is just throwing his arms foreward looking like a combine harvester.
The trouble is a lot of teachers become "professional's" and open a school. Very few want to stay a" traditional" teacher, I was fortunate to study under a "traditional" teacher. I double checked all that he taught and learned 3 times as much. 😀
I began studying Tracy's Kenpo during the spring of 1972, when I was 12. I fought in about five Midwestern tournaments (I am from a Milwaukee suburb) during the next three years. These were tough matches, even for juniors. Full-contact to the body, even to the groin (hello, guys had to wear cups). No contact to the facial area that a catcher's mask would cover. But you could belt your opponent pretty hard upstairs beyond that. I scored on two opponents by hitting them in the back of their heads with backfists, just a hair short of full contact. Each returned the favor with reverse punches in the body that doubled me over. One of my opponents was a tiger and a half. He weighed a good 10 pounds less, but he dropped me with the sheer force of his attack. When the match resumed, I charged, grabbed his guy and punched his chest. He punched mine at the same time. After some discussion, the judges gave my opponent the point, and the match. After bowing out, my opponent and I embraced as we left the ring.
That's what I'm talking about. I started in the mid-80s but OMG. These guys were Real deal. What in the world has happened... can we please bring it back
My dad used to do Karate back in the day. It used to be full contact competition. We’re talking broken noses, teeth’s, and limbs. People were really getting wrecked in Asia.
@@cheeminthao6535 Karate was made for self defense, in Okinawa there's stories of people KILLING with karate. Karate is made to kill, and it must stay that way.
In your younger days could you beat today's best and fastest fighters in your prime.......realize their sensei are the ones that implemented this dance you call it
O nível técnico desses karatê as dos anos 70 era simplesmente formidável. Quando esses caras lutavam em campeonatos era pra valer e parecia cenas de filmes de cinema mas era real. Incluo karatêcas brasileiros como o Ronaldo Carlos, um dos melhores entre outros da época .
Esses caras tinham um altíssimo nível mesmo. Na minha opinião eram mais técnicos e refinados que muito lutador moderno de mma. E justamente por terem vindo de escola tradicional que exige muita treino de base como o karate e kung fu. Aí no vídeo aparece o Benny Urquidez que foi talvez o maior lutador norte americano de kickboxing e full contact. Aí ele está lutando o karate de semi contato como é o tradicional. Depois migrou para o kickboxing ou karate full contact como chamavam. Ele chegou até a participar de lutas em filmes com o jackie chan. O cara realmente era alto nível fez diversas lutas na carreira e era graduado em varios estilos. Nessa época tinha caras muito bons no karate. Se tivessem no auge na época dos primeiros ufc a história teria sido outra.
I'm practicing Wado-ryu karate under a 77 years old old school sensei. We practice full contact, and do throws, swiping, joint locks, grappling, floor work and more. We don't compete because we don't know how to compete according to the rules of modern karate. We compete only when we organize the tournaments, but then we use glowes. Those tournaments are very small because not many like to compete according to the old rules. Our trainings are very brutal. I've been practicing it for 8 years and I'm only a blue belt. You can't progress if you as a blue belt can end up beaten up by someone in the street. That's why it's only 6 of us in the dojo including sensei's 2 sons. Also the membership fee is very low, just symbolical. My sensei's brother competed at the world championship in the 70's and have came up to finale and lost because he passed out after trying to stay on fight with his ribs and some other bones broken.
That sounds excellent I would love to train at a club like that, my club is too commercialised I takes only 3 years to get a brown belt, and the actual fighting skill taught it pretty basic. I started training MMA styles because I need to practice sparring more to be actually worthy of my brown belt, because really in a PROPER club I’d probably be a green belt
It's the same all around the globe...my Master learned from Shohei Miyazato abd even trained with Katsuya Miyahira (he always remembers Miyahira being humble, down to earth, not like some so called 'masters' nowadays), i know a few really good masters, but the "old school" is almost gone entirely, all politics and 'sports', no MARTIAL arts...
It’s digressed because people have realized there are much more useful martial arts to learn. Put a kid in wrestling and he will be more conditioned and be experienced in the most useful martial art in the world.
one thing that happened was a lot of instructors became businessmen. initially the schools were so rough they were low cost or free. Once it became a business you needed insurance and needed to be safe especially when teaching kids became popular. Karate stopped being a self defense thing and morphed into a fun thing
Some of those clips were from the BKA championship in 1976 at Wembley ,were the Brits beat the US by 1 point,the Brit team was picked out of the audience,one of the Brits was Tiki Donavon,and Elvis had paid for the US gees,and one of the US team was Benny the Jet ,I remember all this because I was a competitor.
@@johnreidy2804 The week before I was in the Northern Area Championship I had six or seven fights that day and got pretty beat up ,but came second .The next week was at Wembly and got three broken ribs knocked out first fight.
Did 17 years of Shotokan from summer 76...harder then..gave you good heads up for the street...!!..Donovan always seemed to get the judges " favour "...!!!..Sadly one of Donovan's team was shot dead by the Police in a night club fracas ..when they went to a competition in Barcelona..!!!!...Today it's too much about belts grades and money..!!...In the end I was having female " Black Belts " ..telling me to "Control " every time they came up against me...!!!!.. Originally I think there were only 3 grades..White..Brown..and Black...and one could expect to remain at Brown for some YEARS..!!!...Miss the godawful harsh training under Sensei Mick Paine and Sensei Alan Clemens...Both sadly no longer with us...God Bless you both...!!!!....Best wishes from Plymouth UK..!!!
Since MMA has become so popular it has exposed which martial arts are useful and which aren’t. Karate has a few useful components but if you were to learn one martial art to be good at yo save your life it would be wrestling. 99% of street fights go to the ground.
@@ben9262 You can wrestle with only one opponent at a time. Striking is useful for assaulting multiple opponents! Don't adapt a particular style like Bruce Lee said!
ben as someone that started off a wrestler and then later took up bjj and kickboxing. I can say that is bullshit gracie propaganda. If you have good footwork and know how to keep your distance and have knowledge of how to keep your balance you won’t likely go to the ground. Most people’s natural instincts are to punch you in the face not to go for double leg anyway. One thing is for certain all fights start on the feet not on the ground.
A whole lot of those clips are of Benny "the jet" Urquidez who, along with Rick Roufus, are probably the best 2 western style kickboxers ever. Both were phenomenally good.
goggles789 Benny started out in point fighting even when he was a teenager and later on he went into kickboxing. He has done a little bit of everything
Ya cant compare it to today’s striking thx to MMA. But even old BJJ looks mediocre compared to today’s. These dudes were connecting and some on them were champs. I’m sure the music helped too. 😄
Yep. I started in the late 70's and the school I started in wasn't that intense but I was lucky to end up in one that was about as intense as could be. My instructor had a picture of himself with Chuck Norris and Ed Parker at the Long Beach Internationals, the were friends and competitors. I eventually switched to BJJ but this brings back great memories.
I started in the late 60's and for me the dividing line was between the oldsters who had done hand conditioning and did a lot of makiwara training and board/brick breaking and the younger generation who did not. When the old guys hit me in the body, it was much more painful than when my generation hit me. The old guys had harder hands and better hand/wrist/shoulder/hip alignment and coordination from the makiwara training. A lot of the oldsters had more street fighting experience as well. They did pay for it in the form of hand damage and arthritis.
We are a vanishing breed ! A BOW TO YOU FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE IN THE ARTS. ( I have studyed since 1973') MAY THE LORD PLACE HIS HAND ON YOUR SHOULDER, SO YOU WILL KNOW THAT, HE IS ALWAYS AT YOUR SIDE. (A blessing from a Duke of the Clan McDonald.) 💀
from what I see here, in old times you were allowed to continue after first hit at least 2-3 punches more nowadays you slightly touch and you're separated immediately. RULES have changed
If a Sport Wants to be In the Olympics It Must Have Full Protection thats Why They Changed Karate Kumite Rules Because They Dont Want People to Get Hurt and They want Karate To Be Qualified For The Olympics
You can't have blood in the Olympics. It's "unpopular" to sponsor managers. They feel that their corporate/family Cocal Cola Macdonalds holy saint vanilla image will be tarnished.
IT would be fun if the real senseis of all authentic martial arts just created the martial arts olympics where al types of traditional martial arts can compete. This was the original idea of mma but now its just muay tai and bjj
@paperchasin23 Sorry that im goiing in on this but karate is an almost complete fighting style. We have punching straight hooks and uppercuts, we have kicking we have takedowns and weapons. the only thing that we miss a bit to mutch is the actual ground game. ok we chamber our arm we are goiing to use for throwing the punch but you do not let your guard down like you see many karatekas do these days. But its a fact that you will become better at muay thai boxing and wrestling quiker than you will become good as a karateka.
As I was watching this the only words that came out of my mouth were this is when karate was karate I know someone already posted it but there's no truer words....
NOW THAT IS A REAL TOURNAMENT !! This is what I trained in... The real stuff, not some of the stuff we have today where if you lose, you throw a fit! Note in the video that they fight and look like they're going to take off your head, but in the end are still friends, unlike today! I am afraid to see what tournament's will look like in another 20 years. Touraments used to have one point scoring.As the years go by it seems that people are getting softer and softer. People are not getting the full workout possible, a lot are working out to music, watching televisions, etc.( their choice). 😉I trained in ice cold garages, out in 80-90 degrees, in the rain, with no music or televisions etc. 🎶Try it , 🎶you might like it.🎶 😀
My Sensei just sent me this video with the caption "The good ole days". This video is now going to be my go to video for when I know I'm being lazy and need to train lol actually gonna put on my gi now lol
so GLAD this tape has surfaced. When people look at so called Karate tournaments today and see the padded floors the safety gear and people bouncing around like marionettes it's no wonder then dismiss ot as a fighting art. But for those of us like me who took karate in the 70s it was a full out balls to the walls FIGHT where teeth got knocked out ribs cracked and people KOed every class One school I remember had the motto: NO ONE GOES HOME UNTIL THRRES BLOOD ON THE DOJO FLOOR one of the schools I attended had the motto: NOT TO IMITATE BUT TO CREATE NOT TO BE EQUUAL BUT TO BE SUPERIOR!
Great style. It seems, traditional plus full contact rule and punching a head is allowed. If the karate had kept this rule, they wouldn't have needed to change to kickboxers afterward.
Recognise some vips, like Benny "The Jet", Bob wall, and Ed Parker coaching and demonstrating. I am mostly familiar with British Karate of the era which did not look much different
Not only Ticky but the whole British contingent which won victories in the golden era of late 60s / early 70s: Billy Higgins, Terry O Neil, Hamish Adams, Ron Wade to mention but a few, coach and team manager Steve Arneil
Ticky went on to become British team coach in later years, leading Britain to a streak of wins at world championship level. Ticky was so good! Subsequently he was awarded an OBE for all his work.
I am only familiar with the British Karate scene. Following the demise of such legendary figures as K. Enoeda and T. Suzuki who promoted the traditional, not just the sport side of the Arts, things inevitably took a turn for the worse. I suppose the same is true for Ju-Jutsu, and Judo.
It's just a shame that we don't have classic tournaments (Long Beach) and classic martial artists like JCVD and Chuck Norris today. These guys were the real deal. To this day, we don't see good martial art instructors, all of them are just passing away now.
It seems traditional karate turned a corner in the late 70's. People who trained in karate used to actually spar a lot and know how to fight. Then I think children's classes really picked up and these dojos changed their curriculums towards kata and a lot of noncontact training. This watered down the effectiveness of karate training and in a few short decades the rigor of learning how to actually fight and handle yourself in a realistic self-defense situation went away.
This...precious moments in the early karate. Regardless of style. Hand techniques were fully utilized. If we could only go back in time and allow Kyokushin low kicks and knee strikes.
Holy shit!!!! Didn't realize all the views and comments on this post. Thanks to you all that gave commented and liked on this vid. These are legends of their time and with Karate Combat in full gear for the 4th season, I hope to see more legends in the future.
Do you see what terrible defense they have? sometimes kick and punch at the same time, guaranteed to have no power in either. Sorry excuse for fighting in comparison to MMA
I remember those days. Full contact with maybe foot and hand gear. Most sparring was controlled and full impacts pulled at the last moment. Had to have a lot of precision and control back then.
Yo that’s Benny The Jet, I met him in a doctors office years ago, had no clue who he was just thought he was a rambling old man, he could read the Japanese on my shirt that said “Kyokushin Karate” and told me who he was so I went straight home and researched him and nearly shit myself.
The problem that many martial arts suffered from(not just karate), is that they became more business related, it became more about money than teaching. Not only that but nowadays there are several instructors, several gyms, several mcdojos around that teach people garbage, the person in charge is either horrible at martial art themselves and they think they’re good and/or they water stuff down for students because students will think it’s too hard and will quit. Thankfully not all martial arts are like this there still several traditional martial arts schools you could go to, to learn legitimate things, most kyokushin schools, muay thai, wresting and boxing are still good, there are still old school taekwondo places.... even i was fortunate to come across and genuine shotokan karate place
Benny in the first frame and later. Smiling Roy Kurban at 2:01 and later. Benny was a tough MF. He wasn't even afraid of Roy Kurban. Kurban was a superb technician. He was ranked fifth in the world at one time and he's the only guy to ever beat 1-4 at one time or another. The first time I saw Kurban fight I was a brown belt. It was like watching a god. And, he's a nice guy. Looks like Chuck Norris was there doing a demo. What an era!
I play with new rules ny dad is alsk a black belter 4th dan.. he played full contact and i am jealous as i aint able to play full contact like him... not like kyukoshin..shotokan and hoju full contact are beautiful
Not by a long shot does it look like Kyokushin. Although they have some speed, these cats are barely making contact with each other and the flailing arms makes it look like more is going on than what it really is. Take another look at the old school Kyokushin fights (from this same era) and also today's Kyokushin... THEY are making hard contact, which is why the face punches were omitted. The punches seen here in these clips are not very hard at all.
@@squatch570Sorry, you are absolutely wrong about those being weak punches. I fought in tournaments in the 70s and have the damage to prove it. (and the trophies) as well as seeing plenty of damage and KOs to others.
@@Docinaplane Yeah, ok... and that's why guys like these were getting leveled in Kyokushin tournaments at that time, even without the face punches allowed.
Unfortunately, that's true. And I'm not impressed with the pro-wrestling like spectacle that MMA has become. Plus, it's always the same "style" these days. Brawl, tackle/throw, ground punches, sit on the other guy for three minutes, etc. This video shows what full contact martial arts should be.
Leland Turner isn’t the whole ground and pound the result of the UFC trying to be as realistic as possible? Sitting on a guy and beating the living daylights out of him is surely better than to be both standing up.
@@jordandavies6927 Tactically, yes. But only if you have the initiative and only if your opponent can't overpower you. Real life doesn't have weight classes, and in MMA no one is armed.
My primary Sensei participated in tournaments like this, during the 70's. I remember around 15 years ago he and I entered into a Karate/Ju Jutsu/Kung Fu/Judo tournament together. He entered specifically into the full-contact sparring event for Karate/Kung Fu practitioners while I focused on weapons form and kata demonstration. Everyone else wondered what he was doing in there, mainly because of his age. But he ended up forfeiting his first match because his strikes were so much harder and more accurate than his opponent's. He didn't want to end up hurting the other guy who was about half his age, and that decision earned him nearly universal respect among the other instructors in attendance.
When a black belt meant something!!
Yea the gold old times are always better. If I look at people like you who make excuses all day long it's no wonder to me.
MrPuml shut up you knob! I’ve 40 years in martial arts.
@@silverfox8801 What's your point? Are you taking responsibility for the poor quality of black belts nowadays? If you have been in MA for 40 years what did you do to prevent what it has become? OR are you just whining and boasting but didn't do shit?
In a useless martial art.
Black Fox Because Muai Thai kicks and boxing punches are more effective.
When Karate was KARATE and tournaments were real deal stuff instead of the joke they've become.
Karate is not a sport and should never be seen as a sport. That's the reason it is so overlooked
Así es...cuando el que estaba de pie era porque había ganado..
Go try what you just saw and watch how fast you get hit and how ridiculously in shape some of them are.....you don't know shit,except the past...everything evolves for the better,that's the nature of all things
@@DONTHATETHEPLAYA321 Going to be honest that was horrible striking. Go watch kykoshin or combat karate alot better.
yeah this is true!!
This was some SERIOUS dad fighting
Never have ever thought someone I subscribe to watch the same thing I watch😲
I agree most of us Millennia's fight like girls
@@johnreidy2804 even cats fight better!
@@seijin4426 Much better
Is that Benny the jet Urquidez? FML, I don't want no part of that!
Yes that was the jet. Well spotted,
Bobby Fischer Bro I met him at a doctors office years ago in the waiting room, he told me who he was when he read the Japanese writing on my shirt which said “Kyokushin Karate” I thought he was just a rambling old man but then I went home and researched him and nearly shit myself.
@@ShiddyShad808 That's really amazing, man! Did you really meet him in person? Hell, I would shit myself too if I met the man in the flesh!
Yes.
I'm glad that Bas Rutten is bringing this back with Karate combat. Full contact Karate is so fun to watch.
It’s with gloves, it has to be done without gloves
The first sequence was Shotokan the way I learned it. You can't build a big business teaching that. People don't want to get hurt and want "belts". There are still a few small old school teachers worldwide.
i agree. Old school Shotokan was a real deal.
nandi123 A lot of the scenes in the video are not real shotokan karate. This is the same as american kickboxing (throwing lots of wild and not targeted punches with big gloves). In real Shotokan Kumite one targetted powerful punch should end the fight. The first scene is quite good, but what annoys me is the scene at 0:19. This guy is just throwing his arms foreward looking like a combine harvester.
@@wurschtibaba1682 I was referring to 0:00 to ~0:15
nandi123 yeah
The trouble is a lot of teachers become "professional's" and open a school. Very few want to stay a" traditional" teacher, I
was fortunate to study under a "traditional" teacher.
I double checked all that he taught and learned 3 times as much. 😀
I began studying Tracy's Kenpo during the spring of 1972, when I was 12.
I fought in about five Midwestern tournaments (I am from a Milwaukee suburb) during the next three years.
These were tough matches, even for juniors. Full-contact to the body, even to the groin (hello, guys had to wear cups). No contact to the facial area that a catcher's mask would cover.
But you could belt your opponent pretty hard upstairs beyond that.
I scored on two opponents by hitting them in the back of their heads with backfists, just a hair short of full contact.
Each returned the favor with reverse punches in the body that doubled me over.
One of my opponents was a tiger and a half. He weighed a good 10 pounds less, but he dropped me with the sheer force of his attack.
When the match resumed, I charged, grabbed his guy and punched his chest. He punched mine at the same time.
After some discussion, the judges gave my opponent the point, and the match.
After bowing out, my opponent and I embraced as we left the ring.
Wow, Benny looks like a kid... he was a kid, no mistaking that big smile! Some legendary names there. That was great!
That's what I'm talking about. I started in the mid-80s but OMG. These guys were Real deal. What in the world has happened... can we please bring it back
My dad used to do Karate back in the day. It used to be full contact competition. We’re talking broken noses, teeth’s, and limbs. People were really getting wrecked in Asia.
This was not full contact on this video. Most of the mainline tournaments were light or surface contact.
Your dad took fake karate
@@cheeminthao6535 Karate was made for self defense, in Okinawa there's stories of people KILLING with karate.
Karate is made to kill, and it must stay that way.
@@user-ry1qn3wq1m so you’re okay with murdering people. Lol crazy psychopath. There’s no more samurai running around killing Okinawan civilians
@@cheeminthao6535😂 u r trying to trigger him r not u
This is what I want to bring back , none of the dancing around BS that it has become
In your younger days could you beat today's best and fastest fighters in your prime.......realize their sensei are the ones that implemented this dance you call it
Decimus Aurelius i mean they actually didn’t and actively teach against today’s “sparring” many saying they hardly recognize what it’s become
Make Karate Great again
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True that
yes best Karate Ive seen from this date on1970s all Crap WHOS STILL WATCHING ON 1974
Less legend and more reality, it is a road to make karate great again.
and who want to be beaten in the face ?
Tough tournament. Nice to see that they at the end they separate as friends! Respect is not lost. Some of them were legends! Thank you for the upload!
O nível técnico desses karatê as dos anos 70 era simplesmente formidável. Quando esses caras lutavam em campeonatos era pra valer e parecia cenas de filmes de cinema mas era real.
Incluo karatêcas brasileiros como o Ronaldo Carlos, um dos melhores entre outros da época .
Esses caras tinham um altíssimo nível mesmo. Na minha opinião eram mais técnicos e refinados que muito lutador moderno de mma. E justamente por terem vindo de escola tradicional que exige muita treino de base como o karate e kung fu. Aí no vídeo aparece o Benny Urquidez que foi talvez o maior lutador norte americano de kickboxing e full contact. Aí ele está lutando o karate de semi contato como é o tradicional. Depois migrou para o kickboxing ou karate full contact como chamavam. Ele chegou até a participar de lutas em filmes com o jackie chan. O cara realmente era alto nível fez diversas lutas na carreira e era graduado em varios estilos. Nessa época tinha caras muito bons no karate. Se tivessem no auge na época dos primeiros ufc a história teria sido outra.
I'm practicing Wado-ryu karate under a 77 years old old school sensei.
We practice full contact, and do throws, swiping, joint locks, grappling, floor work and more.
We don't compete because we don't know how to compete according to the rules of modern karate.
We compete only when we organize the tournaments, but then we use glowes. Those tournaments are very small because not many like to compete according to the old rules.
Our trainings are very brutal. I've been practicing it for 8 years and I'm only a blue belt. You can't progress if you as a blue belt can end up beaten up by someone in the street.
That's why it's only 6 of us in the dojo including sensei's 2 sons.
Also the membership fee is very low, just symbolical.
My sensei's brother competed at the world championship in the 70's and have came up to finale and lost because he passed out after trying to stay on fight with his ribs and some other bones broken.
That sounds excellent I would love to train at a club like that, my club is too commercialised I takes only 3 years to get a brown belt, and the actual fighting skill taught it pretty basic. I started training MMA styles because I need to practice sparring more to be actually worthy of my brown belt, because really in a PROPER club I’d probably be a green belt
Once upon a Time karate was legit....too bad it has digressed so far.
true. got caught up in the politics just like alot of other styles in the US...
It's the same all around the globe...my Master learned from Shohei Miyazato abd even trained with Katsuya Miyahira (he always remembers Miyahira being humble, down to earth, not like some so called 'masters' nowadays), i know a few really good masters, but the "old school" is almost gone entirely, all politics and 'sports', no MARTIAL arts...
It’s digressed because people have realized there are much more useful martial arts to learn. Put a kid in wrestling and he will be more conditioned and be experienced in the most useful martial art in the world.
You guys should train Kyokushin. Hard style. Most dojos are legit. Osu!
one thing that happened was a lot of instructors became businessmen. initially the schools were so rough they were low cost or free.
Once it became a business you needed insurance and needed to be safe especially when teaching kids became popular. Karate stopped being a self defense thing and morphed into a fun thing
Awesome benny urquidez footage he was a great fighter especially for that time
Beautiful footage thanks for posting...
Some of those clips were from the BKA championship in 1976 at Wembley ,were the Brits beat the US by 1 point,the Brit team was picked out of the audience,one of the Brits was Tiki Donavon,and Elvis had paid for the US gees,and one of the US team was Benny the Jet ,I remember all this because I was a competitor.
Cool ...did you win?
@@johnreidy2804 The week before I was in the Northern Area Championship I had six or seven fights that day and got pretty beat up ,but came second .The next week was at Wembly and got three broken ribs knocked out first fight.
@@chrisra48 You did good finishing second. More importantly how many people have had such experiences? Very impressive my friend.
Did 17 years of Shotokan from summer 76...harder then..gave you good heads up for the street...!!..Donovan always seemed to get the judges " favour "...!!!..Sadly one of Donovan's team was shot dead by the Police in a night club fracas ..when they went to a competition in Barcelona..!!!!...Today it's too much about belts grades and money..!!...In the end I was having female " Black Belts " ..telling me to "Control " every time they came up against me...!!!!.. Originally I think there were only 3 grades..White..Brown..and Black...and one could expect to remain at Brown for some YEARS..!!!...Miss the godawful harsh training under Sensei Mick Paine and Sensei Alan Clemens...Both sadly no longer with us...God Bless you both...!!!!....Best wishes from Plymouth UK..!!!
Real karate unlike the shit we have today with so many rules ,and padding. Karate has been pampered with too much
And that's why MMA is the "go to" for learning these days
Since MMA has become so popular it has exposed which martial arts are useful and which aren’t. Karate has a few useful components but if you were to learn one martial art to be good at yo save your life it would be wrestling. 99% of street fights go to the ground.
@@ben9262
You can wrestle with only one opponent at a time. Striking is useful for assaulting multiple opponents! Don't adapt a particular style like Bruce Lee said!
ben as someone that started off a wrestler and then later took up bjj and kickboxing. I can say that is bullshit gracie propaganda. If you have good footwork and know how to keep your distance and have knowledge of how to keep your balance you won’t likely go to the ground. Most people’s natural instincts are to punch you in the face not to go for double leg anyway. One thing is for certain all fights start on the feet not on the ground.
What padding? If you mean protective gear, it's because people started suing the promoters and school owners
A whole lot of those clips are of Benny "the jet" Urquidez who, along with Rick Roufus, are probably the best 2 western style kickboxers ever. Both were phenomenally good.
Benny Urquidez
Darnell Garcia
Bob Wall
The days of real karate 🥋
xylsvos -John Natividad also.... 🤙🏽😎
Chris Infiesto Yes you are right I do remember him I just didn’t think of his name at the time but he was amazing as well
goggles789 Benny started out in point fighting even when he was a teenager and later on he went into kickboxing. He has done a little bit of everything
and everyone of them admires Bruce Lee...
Roy Kurban.
Karate, Kungfu... All competition looked like this... I miss it.
TaeKwonDo looked like this too
I miss those days of karate and kungfu. No one took a dump on them for not being able to fight then, because they could really fight,
Doesnt look like much karate technique to me. Way too much wild slapping. Embarrassing. Mediocre MMS guys would dismantle them today and then...
Ya cant compare it to today’s striking thx to MMA. But even old BJJ looks mediocre compared to today’s.
These dudes were connecting and some on them were champs.
I’m sure the music helped too. 😄
@@MrPuml hahaha I doubt it
@@MrPuml bro one of this guys is Benny the Jet, if this is not legit,nothing is
@@MrPuml Go see Lyoto Machida or Stephen Thompson, two great karatekas in UFC matches before you say bullshit.
These where the original "point karate" tournaments. They where actually full contact when you became black belt.
Yep. I started in the late 70's and the school I started in wasn't that intense but I was lucky to end up in one that was about as intense as could be. My instructor had a picture of himself with Chuck Norris and Ed Parker at the Long Beach Internationals, the were friends and competitors. I eventually switched to BJJ but this brings back great memories.
I started in the late 60's and for me the dividing line was between the oldsters who had done hand conditioning and did a lot of makiwara training and board/brick breaking and the younger generation who did not.
When the old guys hit me in the body, it was much more painful than when my generation hit me. The old guys had harder hands and better hand/wrist/shoulder/hip alignment and coordination from the makiwara training.
A lot of the oldsters had more street fighting experience as well.
They did pay for it in the form of hand damage and arthritis.
We are a vanishing breed ! A BOW TO YOU FOR YOUR KNOWLEDGE IN THE ARTS.
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@@thedukeofskull1383 Peace to you too sir.
Never throw the first punch.
Throw the first 4 or 5 punches........
@@vernshein5430 you sound like my Sifu....😀😀😀😀
TRUTH!
I liked Karate as a kid in the 80's till early 90's after that I got bored with it , but now I know why I liked it in the 1st place , now it's a joke
People that said "when karate was real, when karate was a real fight"
Karate still the same since the beginning
Karate hasn't changed
People did
Well put
Hasn’t
Hasn’t
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from what I see here, in old times you were allowed to continue after first hit at least 2-3 punches more
nowadays you slightly touch and you're separated immediately.
RULES have changed
Shame this isn’t in the Olympics instead of the tag and scream matches 🤦♂️😢.
If a Sport Wants to be In the Olympics It Must Have Full Protection thats Why They Changed Karate Kumite Rules Because They Dont Want People to Get Hurt and They want Karate To Be Qualified For The Olympics
You can't have blood in the Olympics. It's "unpopular" to sponsor managers. They feel that their corporate/family Cocal Cola Macdonalds holy saint vanilla image will be tarnished.
IT would be fun if the real senseis of all authentic martial arts just created the martial arts olympics where al types of traditional martial arts can compete.
This was the original idea of mma but now its just muay tai and bjj
@paperchasin23 Sorry that im goiing in on this but karate is an almost complete fighting style.
We have punching straight hooks and uppercuts, we have kicking we have takedowns and weapons. the only thing that we miss a bit to mutch is the actual ground game. ok we chamber our arm we are goiing to use for throwing the punch but you do not let your guard down like you see many karatekas do these days. But its a fact that you will become better at muay thai boxing and wrestling quiker than you will become good as a karateka.
The good old days, when i was training, no pads, full contact, Shukokai Karare.
Damn, I miss those days of great point fighting...
Wow , I remember karate being like this , I started in 1980 , Shukokai karate in Glasgow . You had respect for the black belts
Old school, you get punched in the head, you shake it off, say you're OK and keep on fighting.
In boxing, you keep on fighting........ that's why boxing is the best
@@sionowain8171 If the karate practitioner is doing it right then he will not get up.
Wow, to see Phil Cornin squaring off with Benny "The Jet" Urquidez brings back memories. I was just a purple belt back then. LOL.
As I was watching this the only words that came out of my mouth were this is when karate was karate I know someone already posted it but there's no truer words....
NOW THAT IS A REAL TOURNAMENT !!
This is what I trained in...
The real stuff, not some of the stuff we have today where if you lose, you throw a fit! Note in the video that they fight and look like they're going to take off your head, but in the end are still friends, unlike today! I am afraid to see what tournament's will look like in another 20 years. Touraments used to have one point scoring.As the years go by it seems that people are getting softer and softer. People are not getting the full workout possible, a lot are working out to music, watching televisions, etc.( their choice). 😉I trained in ice cold garages, out in 80-90 degrees, in the rain, with no music or televisions etc. 🎶Try it , 🎶you might like it.🎶 😀
My Sensei just sent me this video with the caption "The good ole days". This video is now going to be my go to video for when I know I'm being lazy and need to train lol actually gonna put on my gi now lol
Benny Urquidez is so badass!
Benny the Jet! One of the great ones.
The Jet was a terror before kick boxing....
Some bullies in there pushing the rules as well.
how?
Studying boxing is what made Benny great
old karate is still deadly
so GLAD this tape has surfaced.
When people look at so called Karate tournaments today and see the padded floors the safety gear and people bouncing around like marionettes it's no wonder then dismiss ot as a fighting art.
But for those of us like me who took karate in the 70s it was a full out balls to the walls FIGHT
where teeth got knocked out ribs cracked and people KOed every class
One school I remember had the motto: NO ONE GOES HOME UNTIL THRRES BLOOD ON THE DOJO FLOOR
one of the schools I attended had the motto: NOT TO IMITATE BUT TO CREATE NOT TO BE EQUUAL BUT TO BE SUPERIOR!
These were hardend men. I wish I was there to compete.
Elvis Presley financed every aspect of this film
now I got all those Chuck Norris jokes... those guys really were tough
I remember those days well.
Great footage, I spotted Ricky Donovan and benny the jet amongst the footage
Great style. It seems, traditional plus full contact rule and punching a head is allowed. If the karate had kept this rule, they wouldn't have needed to change to kickboxers afterward.
Recognise some vips, like Benny "The Jet", Bob wall, and Ed Parker coaching and demonstrating. I am mostly familiar with British Karate of the era which did not look much different
Remember Ticky Donovan?
Not only Ticky but the whole British contingent which won victories in the golden era of late 60s / early 70s: Billy Higgins, Terry O Neil, Hamish Adams, Ron Wade to mention but a few, coach and team manager Steve Arneil
Ticky went on to become British team coach in later years, leading Britain to a streak of wins at world championship level. Ticky was so good! Subsequently he was awarded an OBE for all his work.
pretty sure Ridgeley Abele was there too :)
I am only familiar with the British Karate scene. Following the demise of such legendary figures as K. Enoeda and T. Suzuki who promoted the traditional, not just the sport side of the Arts, things inevitably took a turn for the worse. I suppose the same is true for Ju-Jutsu, and Judo.
I'm 66 now & still remember why it all was so important .
Because it hadn't been done in America before 😃👍 ... ...
Benny the jet was the man, wish I could of trained with him back in the day
goggles789 brother I got too old lol I’m in my early 40’a and stuck in the Midwest. I wish I could.
It's just a shame that we don't have classic tournaments (Long Beach) and classic martial artists like JCVD and Chuck Norris today. These guys were the real deal. To this day, we don't see good martial art instructors, all of them are just passing away now.
It seems traditional karate turned a corner in the late 70's. People who trained in karate used to actually spar a lot and know how to fight. Then I think children's classes really picked up and these dojos changed their curriculums towards kata and a lot of noncontact training. This watered down the effectiveness of karate training and in a few short decades the rigor of learning how to actually fight and handle yourself in a realistic self-defense situation went away.
the best karatemeister the word 1970.thank you for wideo.respect
This...precious moments in the early karate. Regardless of style. Hand techniques were fully utilized. If we could only go back in time and allow Kyokushin low kicks and knee strikes.
Benny the Jet and Ticky Donovan in this clip. 2 absolute legends!
Wow, this is so much more different to the tournament's these days...
Elvis Presley financed every aspect of this documentary. You're seening this film because of Elvis Presley's generosity.
Talk about nostalgia!
Man Back then kaarraatteee tournemonts were brutel and real.
Holy shit!!!! Didn't realize all the views and comments on this post. Thanks to you all that gave commented and liked on this vid. These are legends of their time and with Karate Combat in full gear for the 4th season, I hope to see more legends in the future.
I think this was Ed Parker’s competition team. We had a vhs of this at our school from years ago (decades now!)
Awesome vid gets the heart pumping … Benny the Jet tearing it up in there too !!! 🐲🥋
Bennie the Jet! I remember those days when there were no protective gear in schools or at tournys
That was then, my day’s, and now we have their’s (that includes circus type hand/weapons katas).
i just wanna live this, back in these days looks so amazing, nowadays is so shit don't have this anymore.
Yeahhhhh that's what I was talking about, REAL fights
Do you see what terrible defense they have? sometimes kick and punch at the same time, guaranteed to have no power in either. Sorry excuse for fighting in comparison to MMA
@@MrPuml in comparison to moronic martial arts lol
I remember those days. Full contact with maybe foot and hand gear. Most sparring was controlled and full impacts pulled at the last moment. Had to have a lot of precision and control back then.
No the head gear came in in the 80s and we wouldn't think of gloves
Yo that’s Benny The Jet, I met him in a doctors office years ago, had no clue who he was just thought he was a rambling old man, he could read the Japanese on my shirt that said “Kyokushin Karate” and told me who he was so I went straight home and researched him and nearly shit myself.
The problem that many martial arts suffered from(not just karate), is that they became more business related, it became more about money than teaching. Not only that but nowadays there are several instructors, several gyms, several mcdojos around that teach people garbage, the person in charge is either horrible at martial art themselves and they think they’re good and/or they water stuff down for students because students will think it’s too hard and will quit. Thankfully not all martial arts are like this there still several traditional martial arts schools you could go to, to learn legitimate things, most kyokushin schools, muay thai, wresting and boxing are still good, there are still old school taekwondo places.... even i was fortunate to come across and genuine shotokan karate place
A new belt every 3 months whether or not its earned as its £50.00 per grading
Man!! Benny a beast! True karate
Benny in the first frame and later. Smiling Roy Kurban at 2:01 and later. Benny was a tough MF. He wasn't even afraid of Roy Kurban. Kurban was a superb technician. He was ranked fifth in the world at one time and he's the only guy to ever beat 1-4 at one time or another. The first time I saw Kurban fight I was a brown belt. It was like watching a god. And, he's a nice guy. Looks like Chuck Norris was there doing a demo. What an era!
Real Karate!!!
Only this time is it fair to say ... The old days are better
Great video and wise choice of music. Took me back to the day ..thank you
1:19 - 1:20 thet take was awsome
Benny looked like a terminator out there. Always relentlessly moving forward.
abolish non contact and bring back full contct
It will be still just karate, won't change a thing...
I play with new rules ny dad is alsk a black belter 4th dan.. he played full contact and i am jealous as i aint able to play full contact like him... not like kyukoshin..shotokan and hoju full contact are beautiful
which is why we have karate combat right now
@@MrPuml a great martial art
Mükemmel..Excellent 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The real men are fighting, Ed Parker, the fake, is doing dance moves hiding behind his growing stomach.
A man describing other men as real men can't be a real man. That's true. You dream of touching their strong legs from time to time?
@@MrPuml 😁
You are very close to being correct about old Ed Parker. He was a self made black belt.
I want this in my dojo
Back in the day 👊🏼🥋👊🏼
This is karate . 💪😍
This is the gudshit. Now its just a watered down airpunching tournament
Darnell Garcia was such a superior tournament competitor. Seen him take apart people who were also excellent competitors.
Well, go look up Kombat Karate with Bas Rutten. I think the good old times are back...
When Men were Men and Women Women.
This is real karate.
These were the days. Not the sissiness that we see today...
I Love How So Many Diverse Backgrounds Of People Did Karate And Had Afros In The 70's
And this is why people say karate doesnt work nowdays, because its nothing compared to the way it was.
looks like todays kyokushin matches but with face punches and takedowns
Not by a long shot does it look like Kyokushin. Although they have some speed, these cats are barely making contact with each other and the flailing arms makes it look like more is going on than what it really is. Take another look at the old school Kyokushin fights (from this same era) and also today's Kyokushin... THEY are making hard contact, which is why the face punches were omitted. The punches seen here in these clips are not very hard at all.
@@squatch570Sorry, you are absolutely wrong about those being weak punches. I fought in tournaments in the 70s and have the damage to prove it. (and the trophies) as well as seeing plenty of damage and KOs to others.
@@Docinaplane Yeah, ok... and that's why guys like these were getting leveled in Kyokushin tournaments at that time, even without the face punches allowed.
There were a short part of time face punches were allowed in Kyokushin.
@@StrumVogel That's correct... but too many injuries due to it being bare knuckle and some people dropping training altogether as a result.
old but gold.
This is why older generations say we're wusses.
Unfortunately, that's true. And I'm not impressed with the pro-wrestling like spectacle that MMA has become. Plus, it's always the same "style" these days. Brawl, tackle/throw, ground punches, sit on the other guy for three minutes, etc. This video shows what full contact martial arts should be.
Leland Turner isn’t the whole ground and pound the result of the UFC trying to be as realistic as possible? Sitting on a guy and beating the living daylights out of him is surely better than to be both standing up.
@@jordandavies6927 Tactically, yes. But only if you have the initiative and only if your opponent can't overpower you. Real life doesn't have weight classes, and in MMA no one is armed.
@@GlidingZephyr this looks fake to me
Leland Turner average MMA guys would beat the absolute fucking dogshit out of every single one of these guys in this video
1:00 this man was on some other shit 🤣🤣LOVE IT I MISS THIS OLD SCHOOL KARATE
LOL It was at THIS time.. that "Full Contact" was being suggested.
That guy looked a lot like Benny Urquidez... Haha "The Jet"!
My primary Sensei participated in tournaments like this, during the 70's. I remember around 15 years ago he and I entered into a Karate/Ju Jutsu/Kung Fu/Judo tournament together. He entered specifically into the full-contact sparring event for Karate/Kung Fu practitioners while I focused on weapons form and kata demonstration.
Everyone else wondered what he was doing in there, mainly because of his age. But he ended up forfeiting his first match because his strikes were so much harder and more accurate than his opponent's. He didn't want to end up hurting the other guy who was about half his age, and that decision earned him nearly universal respect among the other instructors in attendance.
Benjamin Gilbert Urquidez👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 Legend
🎵You're the bes-ta of all!🎵