TIE DEFENDER vs X-83 TWIN TAIL | Star Wars Who Would Win
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 25. 09. 2020
- On today's Star Wars Versus we take a look at who would win: the Tie Defender or the X-83 Twin Tail... in a battle of the Greatest X-Wing and the Greatest Tie Fighter, which starfighter comes out on top? That and more on today's Star Wars video!
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Which matchup would you like to see next?
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@@montelmix5875 lol
Trifighter vs Tie Interceptor
Is this just starfighter versus?
Battlestar Galactica vs MC80 Home one
You're having a second child?
This is getting out of hand! Now there are two of them!
"Always two there are"
God I love Star Wars quotes so much
Another shiba inu will enter this world soon
It will probably wear an imperial moof outfit
Hah!
A fine addition to his collection
Don't see enough content about the Twin-tail.
We hear a lot about the Tie Defender, but the Twin-tail is overlooked. Probably because it we didn't see it that often, even in legends Good to know it's not forgotten!
"Never forget that your weapon is made by the lowest bidder..." -Murphy's laws of combat. The twin-tail was a high performance ship for its era, but to be mass-producible compromises inevitably had to be made. The defender on the other hand was pushed to maximum theoretical performance and costs be damned. Agreed that in a 1v1 dogfight, the defender wins (which all things considered is still impressive in light of the century-long technological gap). The alternative way of looking at it is if you had to equip your space navy and set up the logistics to field one of these two fighters on a galactic scale, how would that go?
Thing is the Empire actually HAD the logistics to field Defenders on a galactic scale, it's just that they fucking blew it on the Death Stars and other impractical superweapons. Literally millions of Defenders could've been made for the price of one planet-killing station.
Like the other guy said, the Empire totally have the capability to field Defenders if they didn't blow it all on the two Deathstars. I heard that for the price of a single Deathstar 1 rounded down, the empire could field around 133 Defenders for every single one of their capital ships. And they build 2, with the second one several times larger and have shield. Just...imagine the devastation the rebels will had faced.
Tie Defender for the win in any solo fighter combat, Legends or Canon.
Except for a matchup against a Missile Boat
@@Tetsujinhanmaa A starfighter designed by Thrawn to directly counter the TIE/D? Yeah, I'll accept the SLAM Boat coming out on top.
And that's a fact!
I think the Missile Boat is a serious threat to a T/D, too. But on the other hand the Defender would be so fast even advanced concussion missiles would have a hard time to hit it while it flys circles around the Missile Boat and cut it to pieces. The Missile Boat would only get to shoot one pair of missiles locked on target until the Defender is in firing range, and we old fashioned "TIE Fighter" and "XW: Alliance" veterans all know it takes at least 3 adv. missiles to take a Defender down. And once in infight the Missle Boat will never get a second chance to get a single missile on the TIE.
The real strenght of a Missile Boat is to shoot down quickly as much enemy fighters as possible while they are busy fighting other crafts, and as a capital ship killer of course. Not direct 1:1 dogfight.
Except we take tractor beams into the game, then everything with some missiles can take a Defender down, even a Y-Wing or a TIE Bomber.
@@jand.9825 I felt the real strength of the Missile Boat was the combo of missiles, weak tractor beam, and SLAM system. For a limited time, a Boat flew faster than a T/D, could lock a weak tractor on it, and unload missiles to glass it. Of course, it requires a capable pilot to do that, and an equally capable T/D pilot could very well avoid the tractor beam entirely.
I think the genius of Thrawn's design, though, is the Missile Boat's ability to create and take advantage of a very brief moment of weakness in a Defender. Should be said, though, that the Missile Boat was even rarer and more expensive to produce than the Defender, so it was a fighter created for a very specific purpose.
Ima keep it real with youâŠ
TheX-83 looks like a dragonfly.
Glad to see your intelligence is still intact.
@@michaelandreipalon359 ah, so youâre luring them into a trap by calling it the butterfly squadron, thatâs smart
@@michaelandreipalon359 now that you say that I picture Star butterfly from The disney show Star vs the forces of evil being impressed with the X83 and ordering a ton of these. Or taking one for a joy ride
@@michaelandreipalon359 I see
Personally I have to side with the Tie-D
Reasons:
Durability-
for their time they both had above average shielding and hull durability
(Tie-D: 1 / Twin tail: 1)
Weapons-
pound for pound both ships have the same about of standard firepower lasers and missile for their time. But i feel the Tie's built in ion cannons design to strip shields and provide electronic disruption offer a major advantage in terms of anti fighter combat and versatility
(Tie-D: 2 / Twin tail: 1)
Lastly speed and maneuverability-
Despite having the firepower to be considered a gunship the Tie-D could out run a Tie interceptor and fly circles around any of its Tie cousins [and ties where considered to be highly maneuverable] whereas the twin tail although fast was still considered to have the agility of a multirole fighter and not one of an interceptor.
(Tie-D: 3 / Twin tail: 1)
Caveats:
technology- it can't be ignored that the Twintail has 100+ years of R and D on the tie d and that cannot be ignored.
Skill factor- However the Tie-D's speed and maneuverability can greatly improve its chances in the hands of an excellent pilot [leading itself to skilled individuals]
Results:
Keeping that in mind with the technological handicap for the Tie-D I would say the Tie-D takes it 6 times out of 10 with equally competent pilots.
And assuming they where given the same tech and in the same time period I would then say the Tie D takes it 10 times out of 10.
Plus if the empire went with Thrawn's advice and redirect funds from the behemoth Death Star project. To the mass production of this fighter, the rebels WOULD NOT have stood a chance.
(Edit: im glad to see that the Tie-D came out on top. Even being an aged fighter in comparison to the twin tail its design has been proven to be beyond that of many successor craft, also this was totally unintentional Eck but i my comment was structured similar to your video, great content as usual)
Just one last remark, I would argue, throw durability out the window because it is close to useless, it is good to have, but if it comes at the cost of speed or manuverability, I would disregard it.
I can't help but compare star wars space combat to ww2 air combat (mostly die to the lack of guided missiles) and, I think that the defender and the X-83 could be compared to the matchup between the A6M2 mod. 11 (aka the Japanese zero) and the F4F Wildcat (aka that chunky boy that the Americans use in the movies) with the small exeptions that the zero had no armour, I think they are pretty comparable, and as history taught us, the zero is better.
@@randomphoenix20 i 100 percent agree with you. After watching the video and getting solid numbers on the durability i agree that it would be beneficial to disregard the durability aspect of the fight especially for the Tie-D. However like Eck said this would be a fight a of who can out maneuver the other and its clear who the winner of that contest would be. Also even tho in this particular match up the Tie-D wouldn't be able to take much punishment it could just avoid it all together and get and maintain the upper hand on the Twintail. Its armament would rip through any defenses the Twin tail has. Despite the Twintail's shielding the Tie-D's ion cannons would disable them quickly while its 4 laser cannons and munitions launcher would tear the exposed ship apart
@@opratorkilo4649 I agree with you too the tie D seems like a better choice than the off brand version of the x wing
The Defender was designed with the Rebels Pimped up Freighter/Gunships specifically in mind, so YAAA it has the firepower.
@@randomphoenix20 If you really had to compare them to real life planes, the Defender would be an Me 262 (Amazingly fast and powerful, outperformed anything else of its time) and the X-83 would be a Panther or Banshee or something (Not as advanced relative to its time period, but with far superior characteristics compared to an older fighter)
And both of thse are still dogfighters using cannons primarily
Disney: has TIE-Def models from Rebels
also Disney: "ThE FiSrT OrDeR UsEs H-sHaPe TiEs BeCaUsE nOsTaLgIa!"
that was probably JJ Abrams idea, he went for full nostalgia trip which killed a ton of potential creativity. Resurgent class and T-70 thankfully don't suck though
You can't just use the rebels model in a movie that costs more than 5 dollars to make, the models are so low budget and low detail plus they have an extremely unique art style that would stick out like a sore thumb in live action
@@MistahFox that's not the point here. The point is that sequel trilogy sacrifices potential creativity (and doesn't take potential money risks connected to it) for the sake of nostalgia and luring people to cinema with designs that people are familiar with.
They had more than enough time to come up with something new and cool, and something that could actually make sense- in canon (established by the movies, not fans) tie interceptor was a complete successor to the standard tie fighter. By the Return of the Jedi 20% of imperial starfighters were replaced with tie interceptors.
First Order was supposed to be a technological successor to the Empire, and with their new strategies in shipbuilding (giving tie shields since they valued pilot's lives much more) going back to the H-shaped fighter was completely counter-intuitive
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Missed a good versus video, Ecks presents the battles extremely well.
TIE Defender winning is something I 100% agree with.
the way I see it. the tie defender is a space superiority fighter and the twin tail is a multi role fighter (like the x-wing). so on a 1v1 the defender will almost always win. (barring any surprise/ ambush type scenarios) but once squadrons and tactics get involved it may change, might have to look at that as a future vs episode.
Mitchel Jardell
I agree but with some modifications I think the twin tail
Could match with the defender
It's made by Thrawn, not much is going to outmatch it
Yes
I agree. The TIE Defender is a masterpiece of a ship and could possibly outmatch any other star fighter in production in its era
a versus from eckharts ladder?!?
I must be dreaming-
Who would win?
Nebula vs. Pelleaon
Resurgent vs. MC 85
Bellator vs. Resurgent
Starhawk vs. Nebula
Nebula+Endurance vs. Resurgent
#StarshipVersus #AskEck
well the MC 85 would win that matchup for sure (Shields as strong as hell)
Personally I initially learned towards the Tie Defender, mostly because I had no idea what the Twintail even was.
I still agree with the Tie Defender, though I must say, I personally feel that it might be rendered somewhat inert by the passage of time, then again as you said. It's pretty uncertain with Star Wars.
Have a nice day Eck!
I agree with you, but at the same time the Defender has the Ion Cannon which should be more effective against shields and once those are down it should be able to disable the other vessel if it lands a couple hits, plus it has maneuverability. It may not be able to tank as many shots as the Twintail, but it should be at least a little bit faster and more maneuverable, if not much more, and it does have shields that can tank a few blows. Further it can be equipped with anti-fighter missiles, something that as stated the Twintail lacks.
So even if the raw damage output is in the Twintail's favor, it shouldn't be enough to overcome the all around dominance the Defender was designed for.
Which leads into the design aspect. The Twintail seems to be designed as a superheavy fighter. Basically a bigger and meaner Xwing designed to survive and be able to deal with other fighters attacking it while maintaining anti capitol ship weapons. The Tie Defender was designed as the ultimate all propose fighter, capable of absolutely dominating any fighter in dogfighting while still capable of taking the fight to capitol ships. However it seems mostly designed for absolutely destroying any fighter that dares to engage it.
#askEck
Why were Venator Star Destroyers kept around for such a long time in Legends, but not in Canon?
Upgrades people upgrade
I think itâs the same reason why in canon clones where replaced really fast by stormtroopers so it would be logical to replace the venators too right?
Because Palpatine wanted them gone to differentiate between the Republic and the Empire. That and they donât fit with the Tarkin Doctrine in the same way as the Imperial line of star destroyers.
Since you're mentioning Legends vs Canon, that means looking at it from a real-world perspective instead of in-universe. Because of that, the answer is that the "future" around the Battle of Yavin time was filmed more than a quarter century before the Venator was introduced. It's hard to tell the "history" of something that hasn't been invented yet.
Short of going back and re-shooting and adding new material (again) to Episodes V and VI (where you really see capital ships for the first time), there's no real canonical way to put them back into the story. You can write them into books, of course, but that's just retconning and patching over the issue.
@@robinsonsstudios Hi, do me a favour, never comment this on a discussion about Canon vs. Legends again. We know Legends is better, you can stop beating the dead horse now.
So happy about new VS videos. I have been re watching old ones for so long
I would like to see the TIE rpt or the Tie Hunter in some sort of vs matchup. These 2 are some of the most underrated TIEs ever, especially the Hunter
Let's throw in the Nssiss-class Clawcraft just for fun. It's a TIE Hunter, except it was designed by the Chiss in Legends, which obviously means it's an all-around superior fighter and literally impossible to make more efficient, functional, or elegant for the same cost. The quote the Empire makes about them is "You have to admire the Chiss. They don't just steal your technology--they make it better."
@@anthonylamonica8301 Surely a lovely spacecraft for sure! Another one IÂŽd like to see getting some attention is the preybird starfighter, looks so cool
Depends on the time period Tie defender is really old and can still held on its won
Not really in 4000 years starwars didn't develop Mach new tech. And the defender was at the total limit of the technology.
And the defender is Canon new the twin not.
Moving the engines further from the centre of mass increases leverage when turning and therefore allows the craft to enter a turn more quickly, however if the engine has a large mass in itself it would increase leverage when attempting to arrest that same turn, so light engines further from the body would actually increase manoeuvreability, but increasing the mass of those engines would offset this advantage
FINALLY! Been asking for this matchup for years! Thx
YEEEEEEEEEEES! I hope you keep doing these hypothetical battles semi regularly
The tie defender was considered outdated even in the yuuzang vong war, this is over 100 years of technological advancement after that
I *want* the TIE Defender to win but I *think* the X-83 will win. I would love to see the TIE Phantom vs the Stealth X from the Legacy of The Force series.
Wasn't the Stealth X used almost exclusively by Jedi in the New Republic? As in, Jedi are the only ones who can effectively pilot the thing? That hardly seems like a fair matchup.
@@anthonylamonica8301 100% agree.
Itâs been awhile since youâve done a VS video, but this does put a smile on my face
Glad to see some versus content again!
Once again, I am here before the time itself.
It's called the TIE Defender.
So it protects-
It kills everything in sight.
The best defence is a good offence
It protec but it also attac
Loving the content and it's great that you're getting out more
Maaaaan how I missed your starship vs series. Thanks for bringing that back, seriously. And congratulations for your kid đ
Here's a bit of a random Versus battle idea: CR90 corvette vs Klingon Bird-of-Prey
Now that's just cruel. How is the CR90 supposed to win?
@@anthonylamonica8301 Sheer firepower, honestly. The BoP only has two disruptors and one torpedo launcher. Assuming the single-barrel turbolaser is = disruptor, then the CR90 has more firepower and is possibly more durable
My money's on the CR90 just as long as it's a very specific one: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vorknkx
Star Wars tech really doesnât quite compare to Star Trek so the CR90 would probably get destroyed pretty quickly. And the Bird of Prey is a lot more maneuverable and probably a bit faster. But I could be wrong.
Here's Captain Kurn, Warf's brother flying a Bird of Prey right next to a star AFTER receiving battle damage from two other Birds of Prey:
/watch?v=_-RRZJo3yJE&ab_channel=StarfleetCaptain
Star Wars ships would get mopped up real quick as they have less firepower and are less durable. Star Trek ships tend to take more of a beating. They're like WWII fighter planes of the future, they come back looking dead but are somehow still functional. Let's not forget the Enterprise D crash lands (with the crew still alive) on a planet (from orbit) in ST Generations and their hull is not as strong as Klingon ships specifically designed for combat. It would take a LOT of turbo-lasers to kill a Bird of Prey, far more than a single corvette's worth. Perhaps if lasers were like disruptors it could have a chance, but lasers don't break molecules apart they just burn things. In Star Trek lasers are outdated tech and wouldn't even penetrate the Bird of Prey shields. The Klingons would think turbolasers were a joke before they blew the corvette apart:
/watch?v=w4JUxQe4P4g&ab_channel=Roach131313
This is all assuming the Bird of Prey wouldn't have used it's cloaking device which would make guerilla warfare on the corvette extremely easy, a few hit and runs and the Bird of Prey would win.
#askEck
Ship versus:
X-83 Twintail versus
Predator-class fighter
Also congrats on your second kid, now we can say "there is another".
This is getting out of hand! Now there's two of them!
Awesome video Eckharts
I've missed your vs videos. They're why I subbed in the first place, back when you're channel was new! Loving seeing them come back! Don't let the vitriol get you down - it's the internet - people get butthurt ;)
X-83 Twin Tail wins. I just wish it looked better.
#AskEck
*Faction Versus Battle*
The Sith Empire *[Star Wars Old Republic]* vs the Covenant *[Halo].*
I love the concept. đ
I'll call it now, though. The Covenant would easily have a technological advantage. But, the Old Republic Sith Empire would have numbers and more resources. Plus any powerful Sith could hold their own against the best of the Elites.
My predicted result: Sith Empire is victorious either by attrition or a Pyrric victory.
@@HarvestMoonHowl Don't Forget Darth Nihilus or the sith that can devour entire planets of their lifeforce
@@grandace2 I was thinking along the lines that The Covenant would square off against the Sith Empire during Darth Malgus's time.
All Darth Nihlus would need to do is walk into the Prophets' audience chamber, kill all of them and their Honor Guard just by standing there and letting them gaze at his deathly visage, then declare victory before he proceeded to do the same to every Covenant soldier at once.
I don't know why the guy even bothered with a lightsaber, dude. Lol...
@@grandace2 Darth Nihilus was not a part of that empire. He was one third of the triumvirate that also included Darths Traya and Sion. The actual Sith Empire led by Darth Vitiate would annihilate the Covenant. Yes the Covenant would have a technological advantage, but they had that over humanity. The Sith Empire is far more advanced than the UNSC. Also the Sith Empire has thousands of Sith Warriors and Lords. All it would take is a shuttle full of Sith to crash into High Charity and the Covenant would be finished.
@@HarvestMoonHowl God help the Covenant if Malgus got his hands on the Gravestone
Man I didnât realize how much I missed vs videos... Keep it up
I've been looking forward to this.
When you pack a corvette's power and durability into a fighter package, it's hard to beat. The TIE defender is easily the pinical of fighter/bomber technology in the Star Wars universe.
have you considered: Shadow droids.
In your opinion, do you think that in the future of the canon we can have starfighters with the resistance of the X-83 Twintail in both the hull and the shields?
@@lenkagamine4145 shadow droids are probably overall the most powerful fighter sized craft in Star wars, but as shadow droids are almost impossible to create without a dark side user as powerful as palpatine being involved it's hard to consider them a mass producable product outside of the very brief dark empire. TIE Defenders are cost prohibitive, but put enough idiots together and they eventually can produce and put together all the parts of a defender. Any faction at any point post-yavin could build them if they wanted them. Shadow droids also have the inherent detriment that we never see, read, or hear all that much about their performance, whereas the defender has multiple references backing up their performance against a variety of fighter and capital ship types.
Dude no not even close while it is Ugly we can more then agree but it is far more powerful remember insanely durable hulls transport level shields fire power twice as good as the tie defender elite and speed and maneuverability either equal or close to equal the tie defender in telling X-83 wins 9 out of 10 timed
@@tiein well yeah, I didnt say they would be mass produced. Just. They are probably the most powerful. We dont read that much about them but there is the page quote on wookiepedia which sheds some light on them:
""Something's not right. X-wings are always tenacious fighters. Why are they fleeing from the Shadow Droids?"
"They're frightened, sir⊠The Shadows are invincible!""
so yeah I'm not saying they'd be like a mainline fighter or anything, just that I think they're the strongest.
Kinda like the p82 twin mustang in warthunder
twin mustang is twin fuselage, the twintail is more like a twin boom plane. like the P-38 Lightning or SAAB-21.
also its actually f-82 twin mustang.
Treaty timelapser Timelapser of 3D printing
Dunno why you brought this here.
its more like a p 38 lightning, think of it, even the name implies this, P38 and X83
I've been loving all of your versus series and in really intrigues of how each worked and compared the other. For the next one would be a techno-organic war: the yuuzhan vong vs. The Reapers!
I do enjoy these, especially Factions versus episodes.
#AskEck
*Attempt 842*
May you do the Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man faction versus video soon please?
Can't wait for all the 40k fanboys to start complaining about how the Imperium of Man would stomp when, in fact, they wouldn't. The scale and potency of the Forerunner's technology would horrify Humanity; it'd be like fighting the Necrons during the War in Heaven, except worse because the Warrior-Servant rate of the Forerunners can literally think and strategize in multiple dimensions, such that a Primarch might not be able to out-plan them. Also, plasma weapons and overwhelmingly superior FTL and fleet power.
Eck was planning to do this a long time ago but then suddenly cancelled it. I have a strong feeling that the 40k fanboys in his discord had something to do with it.
Haven't watched most of Eck's videos in a while, is the "Replicators from Stargate versus a united Star Wars universe" guy/gal still around? Haven't seen their comment yet, should be into as many attempts as you.
TIE DEFENDER: I'm great but the empire was too poor to produce me
X-83: Twice the tails, twice as T H I C C
Empire: rules a galaxy and builds deathstars
also Empire: can't build a tiny fighter because of budget constraints
@@die1mayer It's because they were building so many battleships and planet killers that they couldn't justify the expense of outfitting literally thousands of pilots with an expensive to build and maintain fighter.
Love that these are back! And remember, if someone gets grumpy at any of the results, you have a web-series which automatically makes your opinion better than theirs!
Yay! Verses are back!
X-83 easily beats the tie defender with ease first its got insanely durable hulls and its shields are on par with military grade transports and frigates the weapons are only slightly stronger then the tie defender systems sensors hardware etc will obviously be better its like comparing a standard tie fighter with a newbie pilot against a whole squadron of tie defender elites with elite pilots the X-83 twintail takes the cake with absolute ease
Defender would win just because Twintail is such an ugly star fighter
What, Twintails are awesome Looking!
I could accept the E-Wing being the X-Wing's successor, but the Twintail is just too ugly.
catoblepasomega I Like it , Tie defender is leagues cooler and better tho
You ain't wrong.
Ugly we can more then agree but it is far more powerful remember insanely durable hulls transport level shields fire power twice as good as the tie defender elite and speed and maneuverability either equal or close to equal the tie defender in telling X-83 wins 9 out of 10 timed
Return of the versus series.
Family comes first! Do whatever is easiest for you, weâll still watch and enjoy your content!
I wasn't expecting that to a degree but in a way I guess the Defender was simply THAT expensive. I would say the Me-262 of it's era but truthfully the Me-262's shoddy construction (due to late-war bombardment and distributed manufacturing) doesn't really compare. It can just be said the Defender is every single Empire Skunkworks project stuffed into a singular spaceframe super-optimized to be the absolute best but political opposition (and a coup) killed the project.
The Tie defender will win
And I didn't even know about the Twin Tail, but I was right
Totally
@@aufaazkadevar1843 no wrong its Ugly we can more then agree but it is far more powerful remember insanely durable hulls transport level shields fire power twice as good as the tie defender elite and speed and maneuverability either equal or close to equal the tie defender in telling X-83 wins 9 out of 10 timed
I enjoy these so keep it up.
Oh a classic vs episode, nice.
I've never been a fan of the TIE Defender. It just looks silly to me. I've also never really liked its I'm-the-best-at-everything-ness.
I like the X-83 a lot more - it reminds me of the P-38, which is one of my favorite WW2 fighters.
dann erinnert mich der TIE DEFENDER an Messerschmitt ME 262.....
@@siegel947 Not in looks, it isn't. Also, isn't that the one that Hitler stupidly insisted be a dive-bomber, which delayed its development until it was too late in the war to make a difference? I guess political concerns tanking the project does apply to both...
@@scytheseven9173 Arguably even if they had produced them earlier in the war they may not have made a significant difference, unless they used the time to produce some better variants. A lot of people give the Me-262 too much credit. While much faster, it wasn't overly maneuverable and many where shot down by merely leading the target enough that they'd almost literally fly into the hail of bullets. On top of that the engines had a short life span requiring many hours of downtime for maintenance and/or replacement, and required a higher quality of fuel than the other fighters making them an even more logistical nightmare. And of course there's the sheer number of allied fighters they'd have to face, as while the tech advantage did give them an edge it still wouldn't be enough to offset the sheer numbers they'd be facing off with and would be lost in a war of attrition.
@@ChakatBlackstar I'm not disagreeing with you... but it was still stupid to insist it be re-developed as a dive bomber.
Roses are read
The Twintail is mad
If you see a Tie-Defender
Youre probably dead
Didn't know about the Twin Tail until now, and man, I love the design of that ship! It's like a Star Wars P-38 Lightning with an X-Wing front...such a cool design!
Good vs video. I laughed a bit at the gameplay, all I thought was Anakin saying "I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
Congrats on the birth of your second child! It's always good news to hear of the pending birth of a new nerdling! As to the fighter there is no contest the Tie Defender is the Ăbermensch of Star Wars fighters the only thing that size that packs that much firepower is a blast boat and that has a crew of 4 or more.
Would love to see the TIE Oppressor stacked up against something. That was my one of my favorite ships in Stat Wars Galaxies!
There might have been a squad of the TIE-Def at Endor but we do know a second squad existed. in... Isard's revenge I believe it is, Corran and the rest of Rogue squad were saved by them and learned to fly them while in Isard's captured TIE-Def production facility.
Onyx Squadron was the only one fielded at Endor, but yeah there were other Defenders out there. The ones from that novel were elsewhere during Endor.
Nice to hear about the twin tail, the legends should not be forgotten.
As for what else you may want for a head to head, I would be interested to see your opinion on an Imperial TIE interceptor VS a resistance T-70 or first order TIE/TIE SF. Is the common ships new generation comparable to the best common ships of the old?
Congrats on the second child Eck. Do whatever you need to make it easier to be there for your family, some might complain but itâs the best thing to do.
Yes! Please more star ship battles!
Great vid
remember when you could call in the tie defender in 2015 battlefront space battles? super cool
Matchups are back baby!
Tie Defender is what I was thinking prior to your video! I still think so.
Before I watched this video, I legit had no idea what the X-83 was, nor did I know it even existed!
I would speculate that a lot of the animosity over previous versus episodes were because they were sometimes inter-universe battles (i.e. UNSC Infinity vs Resurgence), and arguments between sci-fi universes really draw out the passion that we all have (me too, admittedly) for our favorite sci-fi universes. Just my two cents.
This man just say his second child is about to be born?! When the hell did this happen? Iâm so confused and lost what did I miss? I mean congratulations dude!
I cant imagine why the first order didnt produce an advanced version of the tie defender
Because Supreme Commander Mickey decrees nostalgia over legends
@@MGone3 Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Maus?
It's possible they might not have had the schematics.
because they had the TIE silencer, which was an advanced version of a TIE advanced, which is basically the same thing. Same role, same overpowered arnament, same speed and maneuverability.
Considering the glacial pace of Star Wars technological progress, a hundred years just may not be enough
Fun fact the X-83 Twin Tail
takes heavy inspiration from it's In real-life counterpart from 75 years ago at the near end of WW2 on June 15 1945, The XP-82 aka the F-82 Twin Mustang.
I've been waiting for this video...
I agree with your dedication, the fact that its 1v1 and the twin tail was built with the purpose of having other ships support it, the TD actually hqs the firepower to get through the defenses, and most importantly it has the edge on speed and agility so i am d3finitley going to have to agree with your opinion. Also im assuming this is a comparison where both pilots are equally skilled since the only way i could see the TD lose to the twin tail would be if the TD pilot wasnt skilled enough to use all of the craft's potential. Also congrats on the new addition to your family!
I picked the TIE Defender and I think youâre spot on with your pick! I think you hit all the points well and 7/10 is what I wouldâve put it at. Keep up the amazing work!
Yo the X-83 its well Ugly we can more then agree on that but it is far more powerful remember insanely durable hulls transport level shields fire power twice as good as the tie defender elite and speed and maneuverability either equal or close to equal the tie defender in telling X-83 wins 9 out of 10 timed
Please do more VS videos, they are awesome!
The X83 is my favorite star wars star fighter
We need to see more of it
Both of these ships look like something I would make in KSP sleep deprived at 1:00 in the morning
As you are returning to creting vs. matches, there is a specific video I'd love to see.
The Flood are were undefeated in your old vs matches. So I like see a video about "what factions from any scifi universe could defeat the Flood?"
In the Xwing alliance simulator games you can actually install an additional tractor beam on the tie defender. Pressing F8 will get you an extra boost of speed subsequently.
I agree with for sure but was surprised that you didnt mention that the Defender was a project of Thrawn.
Hey Ecks, a new idea for a next versus video:
Venator class Star destroyer vs Endurance class Fleet Carrier
Or also Assault Frigate MK2 vs Vindicator class heavy cruiser
Oof I should had commented but at first I thought Tie Defender would had won due to itâs capabilities as a fighter. My opinion didnât changed but thank you for introducing me to the Twin-Tails itâs kinda rare for me to hear anything about The Legacy era part of Star Wars and Iâm glad you brought a bit more it to us. Thanks for the fun have a nice day everyone
Among the (admittedly minor) flaws the Defender had was that it had a -huge- cross section due to it's size and the spread of the trio of solar panel wings. This made it very easy to hit with snap shots or if you could get behind it. Few pilots -could- mind.
Maarek Stele was said to have favored the Avenger over the Defender as a pure dogfighter purely on the Avenger having a tighter turn and a smaller target silhouette.
A who would win video? Haven't seen this one in a long time.
Congrats on your second child! I've always liked your Versus videos, I think they are pretty balanced in their takes so would gladly see more.
As for these fighters... Well, I am a Defender fanboy, so my bias is obvious. x) While the age difference might throw some doubts on the matchup, once the Defender is upgraded with the same tech it'd be clear that the Defender is victorious: The Twintail is like the X-wing a good multirole craft, whereas the Defender is a space superiority fighter and thus would beat the Twintail in versus situations as that would be quite specifically what the Defender was designed for.
Please do more versus videos. I miss the old school Eck sometimes
Hooray for holistic analysis
Congrats
An unholy combination of speed, firepower, and durability... good way to put it.
Just as a note, basic stats from the Saga edition stuff doesn't compare directly between the era stuff. Stats for each were designed to be within their own and you would add templates to the older ones...it's to prevent what is basically a stat creep and getting buckets of dice when within the same era...
And the Defender is massively outclassed by the Missile Boat
Finally, some good f*ing content! (Jk, I love all your content eck, great video!)
The tie defender has always been one of my favorite starfighters. My highest favorite until I found my new favorite the cloakshape. I just love the way they both look. If you havent already have you done a video on the cloakshape? Might be a good jumping off point on ships that tend to get personalized in the starwars universe.
It's so good that they brought back Tie Defender to canon.
I have cool concept for Star Wars squadron and itâs if you win 20 missions in multiplayer you get to ride the Tie Defender for the empire or some special star fighter for the New Republic
100 years of tech development. Imagine a 1920 fighter going against an f35.
I missed this series
Also, Congratulations!
Seeing as I was an Ace pilot in the TIE Defender in the 90s TIE Fighter game so I'm going with that.
If you'd be interested in branching out a bit, I would love to see a versus video comparing some of the ships from The Legend of the Galactic Heroes franchise.