But if idina was Lea's mom (Idina was born in 1971) and Lea was born in 1986 so in that case idina would have been a mom at that point (she became one in 2009)
mygod true i mean i've read criticisms about her nasal vocal technique but the Glee writers really went over the horizon with this one. They weren't just attacking Shelby, it was a direct reference to Idina.
It's sad when Quinn says that the real her is 'something like this.' That sums up how difficult it is to know who you are at that age, you just sort of flail around for anything that feels remotely comfortable.
A lot of people in the comment section don't seem to understand that Shelby wasn't being selfish. She knew exactly how it felt to be in Quinn's place, except it was even worse because there was a contract in place from the beginning. Rachel was never hers to keep, unlike Quinn and Beth. Shelby had to make it clear she was Beth's mom regardless of biology, and that while she wanted Quinn and Puck involved in her daughter's life, there needed to be boundaries in place. Legally and in Beth's mind, Shelby is her mother. Quinn and Puck are strangers who gave up their rights so their daughter could have a better life. Quinn was a confused teenager who flip flopped constantly about what she wanted and who she was, and that sort of inconsistency isn't good for children. It took her a while to realize that Beth was happy where she was and that while she was a part of her, she wasn't her mom.
So Shelby still considering Rachel as her daugther but later say to Quinn that she's not Beth mom because she give her for adoption? doesn't really make sense to me.
what shelby means that being a biogical mother doesnt mean that she is the mom that raise her. get it? shelby fell that way to rachel. so she wants quinn to be part of motherhood, she doesnt want quinn to feel what she been through.
Shelby makes a distinction between the words mother and mom. Biologically she's Rachel's mother, but she wasn't the one to see her grow up. Obviously Shelby had no idea how much Rachel still needed her, but regardless a true mom is someone there for all of the moments that make up a person's life.
That’s what kills me. She gives her attention to everybody else. Quinn, the vocal adrenaline kids, puck, and EVERYBODY ELSE. But u can’t go to lunch with your daughter every once in a while? She didn’t try AT ALL with Rachel.
I love that Shelby is the one who brought Quinn out of her funk and convinced her to go back to glee and reconnect with the daughter she didn't want to keep
quinn didnt even thought about beth before shelby came back to town and now all of a sudden she's wants beth back thats total bs honestly who knows what would've happened to quinn if shelby hadn't come back to lima to let beth meet quinn
alexander aldana how do you know she didn’t think about her, I’m pretty sure you don’t stop thinking about your daughter and she probably didn’t want to talk about her or be reminded of her 24/7 because it would be painful and as you can see she did get lost due to many things but Beth is certainly one of them. It’s a mother’s instinct to be there for their kids but she gave hers away so that would probably damage her a bit, hence the bad decisions she made trying to get Beth back.
Not true why do you think she's acting this way it's traumatizing to give birth to a baby and then give the baby that's why Shelby said she went through the same thing and that she knows how Quinn is feeling Quinn is in pain because she knows this is what's best for Beth but that doesn't mean she's going to be okay with it she still has a lot of growing up to do that's why she starts to mature and grow as a person in the later seasons in this season she's still an immature confused and conflicted young girl she made a decision that even some adult women have trouble making this decision was too mature for her and she still made it she's suffering that's why she starts crying
I just wanna say if anyone is or has experienced what Quinn did Shelby is right. The girl Quinn is imagining likely would have stayed single in high school, had that whole shy thing going on. Been happy as a housewife. But people relating to Quinn are more likely to want something different out of life. And that's okay, the key is to surround yourself with people who are who they say they are. And bring out the best version of you.
0:09 - 0:14 The former has one loud word; the latter has a great number of loud words. 0:15 - 0:26 Well, Sugar, you're starting to sound like... a first syllable of the word you used to describe/excuse yourself.
Quinn didn't have her act together. She was hanging with the wrong crowd, smoking, skipping class, etc. She had no idea who she was. She was putting on a facade for the world. Besides Quinn doesn't have any legal rights to Beth. She signed them away.
Why is everyone in Glee a year older than they are supposed to be? like when they are supposed to be 14 they are 15 or when they are sophomore's they should be 15 they are 16 or when they already graduated they were 19 but should have been 18. Did everyone flunk a year or what?
@@Alyssanaidoo because in like the first episode she was saying how she doesn't know which one of her fathers is her real dad because of some scientific thing I can't remember
Shelby was the surrogate for a gay couple who were rachel's parent, but she carried her for months so there would have been some connection and bonding
@@eliza3426 I found it a bit odd how glee portrayed it sometimes as a lot of people don't feel a need to have a connection with the surrogate and it was almost as if Shelby gave Rachel up when that wasn't the case
So what's the difference between Asperger's, Autism, and Autism Spectrum? Are people with the first one generally known to say inappropriate things like Sugar?
Actually, those are all the same thing, and Sugar is bad representation. Aspergers was named after a nazi that chose which autistic kids lived and died in ww2, the "high functioning" (bad term) ones getting to live. Aspergers is just autism that is considered "high-functioning," and I'm pretty sure isn't even on the DSM-5 anymore. Autism itself is a spectrum, so ASD and autism are the same thing, just one being more specific on the spectrum part. Saying rude stuff isn't necessarily an autistic trait, though likely a general personality thing. Sugar's character is self-diagnosed, which is often valid in the autistic community, but is portrayed as more of an accessory in this show, and she doesn't show many traits. Some autistic people may be blunt, direct, honest (in this case, it would be opinion-wise), and even rude sometimes, at least in the eyes of NT people, but it's not much like this. Plus, she always mentions her self-diagnosis as an excuse, rather than explanation.
@@Bubblegum-xm5cg because I’m on the spectrum, and I have said dumb things without a filter, sometimes even offensive things (though unintentionally and jokingly). I figured my ASD must be the reason I’ve stood out, have been like a freak and misfit, and said inappropriate things. Sugar isn’t a bad representation of my type per se, because maybe Autism _is_ a bad thing and makes you different and weird (despite the idea everybody is different and weird). That’s my theory. We just stand out, including myself under certain circumstances (and definitely in elementary school)
@@johnrainsman6650 I understand what you mean, but there is nothing wrong with you. Our brains are simply different, not bad. I also say inappropriate stuff, act strange, and I've been called rude, but that's just the words of NT people. Really, we are expressing ourselves, being honest and direct, acting like ourselves, and coming off how we always do despite the social cues I may have trouble following or understanding. It is not bad to be autistic. It just means we don't experience, understand, etc the world, concepts, constructs, and so on like NT people do, as well as plenty of other things. Regarding Sugar, I respect your opinion. I just personally feel like she didn't show any other traits than coming off as rude, and would more excuse it than explain it with Aspergers.
@@Bubblegum-xm5cg I wouldn’t say our brains are simply different, because it really isn’t that simple if you think about it. Again, I thought _everybody_ was different. In that case, nobody would be different different, and yet somehow, that’s us. But how? So being Autistic...is factually different different? Why does it feel like neurotypicals are more common and normal than us? Heck, typical implies normal, I think. I don’t know, it _really_ sounds to me that scientifically and statistically, autistic people are the weird/different ones within the world of weird/different people. I feel it in my guts
@@johnrainsman6650 That's because neurotypical people are the majority. The idea of "normal" is both real, and non real. It is real when talking about what is more common, repetitive, and so on. The idea of "normal" isn't real in a social sense. There's no "normal" when it comes to brain types, body types, and so on, as those are all things that can naturally be different among people in many ways. "Neurotypical" is referring to how NT people are the norm, in the sense that they're more common, known about, etc, and neurodivergent people aren't as common or known about (clearly much more known nowadays, but yeah). We simply have a brain that isn't the majority, which considers us less common, and different from NT others, rather than alienated and strange (while many do perceive us that way, due to ableism). It's true that everyone is different, but there are still majorities if common traits among them, and we are the minority, which considers us different from them.
Idc if it was for comedic purposes, but Sugar is terrible representation. Not just for the autistic community, but even more the self diagnosed folks. It's just throwing us under the bus.
I swear if someone told me Menzel was Lea Michele’s real mother, I’d believe it! Lol They are so similar, physically, bone structure, speech patterns.
Yeah but one is nice
@@bishwithwifi4938 and the other one is Lea Michele
@@zaylendaniels JCOSBSHSQNJZXIDQB
But if idina was Lea's mom (Idina was born in 1971) and Lea was born in 1986 so in that case idina would have been a mom at that point (she became one in 2009)
@@taliafisher1048 i mean she would’ve been 15. So it could be totally possible. Specially if she was playing the whole “teen mom” in the show.
Idina Menzel is A WICKEDLY TALENTED SHINING STAR!!!!
Michael I. Haber no that's Adele Dazeem.
Michael I. Haber I get the joke
No pun intended
WICKEDly hehehe
ha I see what you did there
If Idina had a daughter, this is probably how she would talk to her when she turns 18 as well.
Maame yep I agree
She has a son who hates her singing
I actually liked Quinn’s look in these episodes. Everyone said she looked terrible but she was still as pretty as ever
There is no way that she can look ugly
Yah same I really liked it
Quinn is always pretty
It hurt me emotionally when Sugar said Idina didn’t sound good
omg yes! I was like excuse me no one says that about Idina ever!
mygod true i mean i've read criticisms about her nasal vocal technique but the Glee writers really went over the horizon with this one. They weren't just attacking Shelby, it was a direct reference to Idina.
@@theslaytoendyourfaves ryan really loves to provoke his actors geez
@@theslaytoendyourfaves oh i thought that was a hit at sugar, cuz she thinks she sounds like shelby and thinks shelby sounds how she does
tbh; the first 10 seconds is literally me thinking i'm such a good singer
It's sad when Quinn says that the real her is 'something like this.' That sums up how difficult it is to know who you are at that age, you just sort of flail around for anything that feels remotely comfortable.
A lot of people in the comment section don't seem to understand that Shelby wasn't being selfish. She knew exactly how it felt to be in Quinn's place, except it was even worse because there was a contract in place from the beginning. Rachel was never hers to keep, unlike Quinn and Beth. Shelby had to make it clear she was Beth's mom regardless of biology, and that while she wanted Quinn and Puck involved in her daughter's life, there needed to be boundaries in place. Legally and in Beth's mind, Shelby is her mother. Quinn and Puck are strangers who gave up their rights so their daughter could have a better life. Quinn was a confused teenager who flip flopped constantly about what she wanted and who she was, and that sort of inconsistency isn't good for children. It took her a while to realize that Beth was happy where she was and that while she was a part of her, she wasn't her mom.
How I think I sing: 0:10
How I really sing: 0:01
Well I feel called out
So Shelby still considering Rachel as her daugther but later say to Quinn that she's not Beth mom because she give her for adoption? doesn't really make sense to me.
what shelby means that being a biogical mother doesnt mean that she is the mom that raise her. get it? shelby fell that way to rachel. so she wants quinn to be part of motherhood, she doesnt want quinn to feel what she been through.
Shelby completely fucks with my mind
Also Quinn was being so immature. Immaturity does not equal motherhood.
Well, biologically she is her daughter.
But Shelby said it herself... she is Rachel's mother, but she's not her mom.
Shelby makes a distinction between the words mother and mom. Biologically she's Rachel's mother, but she wasn't the one to see her grow up. Obviously Shelby had no idea how much Rachel still needed her, but regardless a true mom is someone there for all of the moments that make up a person's life.
Indina Menzel was More like a mom to Quinn then Rachel
That’s what kills me. She gives her attention to everybody else. Quinn, the vocal adrenaline kids, puck, and EVERYBODY ELSE. But u can’t go to lunch with your daughter every once in a while? She didn’t try AT ALL with Rachel.
I honestly thought this moment would make Quinn clean up her act. Too bad it only made Quinn want to set out to sabotage Shelby.
I love how desperate Quinn is to see her daughter even if she seemed like she didn’t care and how vulnerable she became looking at the little girl.
An I the only one who always forget that Quinn is a mom?
did Shelby take her phone back ?? lol
i started crying when quinn started. She’s the one person who can make me cry
love sugar,god damn she is so cute
Shelby’s so sweet
Didn't sugar there just for the money-they-needed-for-the-competition plot?
BananaHammock She was the setup for The Troubletones
Shelby is so good
This is one of my favourite scenes
Shellby is beth mom and Rachael birth mom, Quinn is beth birth mom with Shelby wants Quinn and puck to be part of the family that's alsome
That is litteraly me when singing.
Love it
OH JESUS YA GONNA MAKE DEE'S EARS BLEED.
Oh man, Quinn reminds me so much of Hayley Williams with this look lmao
i Am A ✨ sHiNinG sTaR ✨
Tbh I'm hella gay for Quinn when she has pink hair
Quinn looks much better as punk... In my opinion atleast
I agree this was the best look she had in my opinion
She makes me even gayer with this look
Agreed
Sometimes I wonder if sugar sang badly on purpose because she sings really good right now
0:15 .........wtf no u dont
RIP shelby
I wasn't able to watch it first run -- why do you say that? Thanks!
I meant Rip her ears not actually Rip her LOL
Why am I sugar when I sing 😂😂 she’s a whole mood
when she started crying...
i felt that
I love that Shelby is the one who brought Quinn out of her funk and convinced her to go back to glee and reconnect with the daughter she didn't want to keep
Me laughing in the beginning then bawling at the end
Hey can you post the video where Sam confronts Quinn about cheating on him with Finn? Where they are in the library. Thanks 😊😊
Quinn: She's hopeless
*Few Episodes Later*
Sugar: 'Singing better than Quinn'
Lol when?
0:35-0:49 they had good relationship and I would’ve like to see them kind of be close (idk just my thoughts please don’t bully me)
Same here
Bryant Holland okay we're dating now
quinn didnt even thought about beth before shelby came back to town and now all of a sudden she's wants beth back thats total bs honestly who knows what would've happened to quinn if shelby hadn't come back to lima to let beth meet quinn
alexander aldana how do you know she didn’t think about her, I’m pretty sure you don’t stop thinking about your daughter and she probably didn’t want to talk about her or be reminded of her 24/7 because it would be painful and as you can see she did get lost due to many things but Beth is certainly one of them. It’s a mother’s instinct to be there for their kids but she gave hers away so that would probably damage her a bit, hence the bad decisions she made trying to get Beth back.
Not true why do you think she's acting this way it's traumatizing to give birth to a baby and then give the baby that's why Shelby said she went through the same thing and that she knows how Quinn is feeling Quinn is in pain because she knows this is what's best for Beth but that doesn't mean she's going to be okay with it she still has a lot of growing up to do that's why she starts to mature and grow as a person in the later seasons in this season she's still an immature confused and conflicted young girl she made a decision that even some adult women have trouble making this decision was too mature for her and she still made it she's suffering that's why she starts crying
@@babygirllynn2264 w we
I just wanna say if anyone is or has experienced what Quinn did Shelby is right. The girl Quinn is imagining likely would have stayed single in high school, had that whole shy thing going on. Been happy as a housewife. But people relating to Quinn are more likely to want something different out of life. And that's okay, the key is to surround yourself with people who are who they say they are. And bring out the best version of you.
Quinn can't cry on scene (second time saying this but still)
0:09 - 0:14 The former has one loud word; the latter has a great number of loud words.
0:15 - 0:26 Well, Sugar, you're starting to sound like... a first syllable of the word you used to describe/excuse yourself.
I like this version of Quinn. She looked prettier.
I honestly did not like sugar. I found her extremely annoying
I both hated her, and found her attractive at the same time.
Same
bervely joassaint we all did
I always loved her character,she was funny asf😂💜
bervely joassaint is she's funny asf😂
Why wouldnt she let Quinn see Beth?
Quinn didn't have her act together. She was hanging with the wrong crowd, smoking, skipping class, etc. She had no idea who she was. She was putting on a facade for the world. Besides Quinn doesn't have any legal rights to Beth. She signed them away.
Why is everyone in Glee a year older than they are supposed to be? like when they are supposed to be 14 they are 15 or when they are sophomore's they should be 15 they are 16 or when they already graduated they were 19 but should have been 18. Did everyone flunk a year or what?
Season 1 was sophomore year for all of them except Artie and Tina. Not that complicated.
@@heejinluvr actually just tina. If you remember in season three he says that the wheelchair makes him get held back a year.
Devon Proia ohh right i forgot about that. thank you!!
Sugar is so mean to the Best singer Idina Menzel
Does she still have her phone
Episode 2 Quinn is a stank
Episode 3 Quinn is back to normal in glee
When I close my eyes it’s elsa
Ok but I literally thought Lea michelle and Idina Menzel were the same person
I’m confused was Rachel adopted or was Shelby the surrogate
Rachel was adopted
@@Alyssanaidoo because in like the first episode she was saying how she doesn't know which one of her fathers is her real dad because of some scientific thing I can't remember
Shelby was the surrogate for a gay couple who were rachel's parent, but she carried her for months so there would have been some connection and bonding
@@eliza3426 I found it a bit odd how glee portrayed it sometimes as a lot of people don't feel a need to have a connection with the surrogate and it was almost as if Shelby gave Rachel up when that wasn't the case
No
Shelby will be a proud mom to Beth and quinn note rachel because she's so mean to people people like finn and santana
So what's the difference between Asperger's, Autism, and Autism Spectrum? Are people with the first one generally known to say inappropriate things like Sugar?
Actually, those are all the same thing, and Sugar is bad representation. Aspergers was named after a nazi that chose which autistic kids lived and died in ww2, the "high functioning" (bad term) ones getting to live. Aspergers is just autism that is considered "high-functioning," and I'm pretty sure isn't even on the DSM-5 anymore. Autism itself is a spectrum, so ASD and autism are the same thing, just one being more specific on the spectrum part. Saying rude stuff isn't necessarily an autistic trait, though likely a general personality thing. Sugar's character is self-diagnosed, which is often valid in the autistic community, but is portrayed as more of an accessory in this show, and she doesn't show many traits. Some autistic people may be blunt, direct, honest (in this case, it would be opinion-wise), and even rude sometimes, at least in the eyes of NT people, but it's not much like this. Plus, she always mentions her self-diagnosis as an excuse, rather than explanation.
@@Bubblegum-xm5cg because I’m on the spectrum, and I have said dumb things without a filter, sometimes even offensive things (though unintentionally and jokingly). I figured my ASD must be the reason I’ve stood out, have been like a freak and misfit, and said inappropriate things. Sugar isn’t a bad representation of my type per se, because maybe Autism _is_ a bad thing and makes you different and weird (despite the idea everybody is different and weird). That’s my theory. We just stand out, including myself under certain circumstances (and definitely in elementary school)
@@johnrainsman6650 I understand what you mean, but there is nothing wrong with you. Our brains are simply different, not bad. I also say inappropriate stuff, act strange, and I've been called rude, but that's just the words of NT people. Really, we are expressing ourselves, being honest and direct, acting like ourselves, and coming off how we always do despite the social cues I may have trouble following or understanding. It is not bad to be autistic. It just means we don't experience, understand, etc the world, concepts, constructs, and so on like NT people do, as well as plenty of other things. Regarding Sugar, I respect your opinion. I just personally feel like she didn't show any other traits than coming off as rude, and would more excuse it than explain it with Aspergers.
@@Bubblegum-xm5cg I wouldn’t say our brains are simply different, because it really isn’t that simple if you think about it. Again, I thought _everybody_ was different. In that case, nobody would be different different, and yet somehow, that’s us. But how? So being Autistic...is factually different different? Why does it feel like neurotypicals are more common and normal than us? Heck, typical implies normal, I think. I don’t know, it _really_ sounds to me that scientifically and statistically, autistic people are the weird/different ones within the world of weird/different people. I feel it in my guts
@@johnrainsman6650 That's because neurotypical people are the majority. The idea of "normal" is both real, and non real. It is real when talking about what is more common, repetitive, and so on. The idea of "normal" isn't real in a social sense. There's no "normal" when it comes to brain types, body types, and so on, as those are all things that can naturally be different among people in many ways. "Neurotypical" is referring to how NT people are the norm, in the sense that they're more common, known about, etc, and neurodivergent people aren't as common or known about (clearly much more known nowadays, but yeah). We simply have a brain that isn't the majority, which considers us less common, and different from NT others, rather than alienated and strange (while many do perceive us that way, due to ableism). It's true that everyone is different, but there are still majorities if common traits among them, and we are the minority, which considers us different from them.
Is Shelby Rachel’s mom like she was a teen mom and have her up or she was a surrogate and used her egg
Idc if it was for comedic purposes, but Sugar is terrible representation. Not just for the autistic community, but even more the self diagnosed folks. It's just throwing us under the bus.
Sugar can’t sing I mean my God she can’t even sing a basic scale it’s just sad and I’m really glad that Shelby talked to Quinn
I swear, that “Aspergers” girl is very offensive!