4 Color Limited Watercolor Palette (Part 2) - Testing Pigments
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2021
- In a video (Part 1) I posted a few weeks back I asked for suggestions on what pigments to pick for a 4 color watercolor palette. I got quite a few interesting responses so thank you for that.
In this video I'm going to try out a few of those suggestions to see what kind of mixes I get.
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Materials used in this video:
Baohong 300gsm Academy watercolor paper
Zytang travel brush #10
Rembrandt Carmine
Rembrandt Phthalo Blue Red Shade
Rembrandt Light Oxide Red
Winsor & Newton Cotman Sepia
Holbein Quinacridone Gold
Mijello Mission Gold Red Brown
Mijello Mission Gold Payne's Grey
Mijello Mission Gold Dark Burnt Sienna
Mijello Mission Gold Lemon Yellow
Lukas Genuine Rose
Lukas Raw Sienna
Kusakabe Burnt Umber
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He speaks! :) I personally like the second one, I love the dark look.
Haha I like the dark look too but I think I need a lighter blue.
Your voice! A voice reveal! I love!
Thank you very much. My voice reveal was actually in my previous video but no one watched it 😢
Haha ☺️
Good to hear your thoughts on a limited palette. I'm trying to graduate from my beginner state, so learning about colour mixing is a must. It's helpful to hear what other painters use and why:) . I've been playing with some triads yesterday and really enjoyed Indanthrone blue (Reneissance), Permanent Madder (Rembrandt) Lake and Azo Green Yellow (Van Gogh). It gives versatile but not garrish colours. Azo green yellow is my most recent favourite. Also thumbs up for letting us hear your voice!
Thank you very much 🙏
It's fun playing with triads isn't it? This video was the first time I had painted out any color wheels. It's not something I would usually do but it's great to see how the colors work together.
My next video is going to be another 4 combinations and I use Van Gogh Azo Green Yellow in one of them. I'm not totally sold on it yet but I love the greens it makes.
Love your video, i'll choose the second wheel, but ill change the red brown for other color, maybe some english red, or cadmium.... love that triad!!!!!
There's actually no right or wrong but a more versatile 4 color palette will always be a headache.
At least I think it's tricky to find the right colors to make good use out of it...
You could also read Jane Blundell's blog post about triads.
I've read her triad blog many times. It's very interesting ☺️
You are right, there is no right or wrong. You just have to be ok with the limitations of whatever pigments you choose.
The most versatile by far is a mid yellow, cool red, ultramarine, and burnt sienna.. you can do almost anything with that. It will give you a usable of each secondary, and browns and greys.
@@waymire01 Versatile for sure, and great if you want to learn color mixing, but also a bit boring (Ultramarine 🤮). Haha
I really like the second one and totally agree with you to replace sepia with cobalt blue. I'll experiment with this traid!
Hi. Thank you for your comment. Great to hear you're going to experiment with the triad. I think I'm going to make another video soon trying out that combination and a few others.
I think its a great idea, which is how I found your channel :) I was given a gift card to buy some art supplies, and I love every medium 😳 people say I should stick to one, but I can't 😬 but I do love watercolor and finally bought a pad of arches paper...so hard to spend so much🤢 but I have only w&n cotman colors, but I thought I'd use the gift to buy a few core professional colors, the tiny tubes of course :) so just feeling overwhelmed at all the possibilities, so thought I'd look for ideas :) I do mainly landscape and flowers and stuff. Nothing amazing, but good for my anxiety and ptsd and I'm very thankful for that :)
So this was cool!! Thank you!!!
Sorry...had to edit this to say I subscribed because you have a beautiful channel and look forward to more videos!! Thanks!!
Thank you very much 🙏
It’s fun to play with a limited palette. Personally liked 2 & 3 though both had things I didn’t care that much for. The first one I just found a bit boring even though it was more versatile! I don’t think I would want to use Payne’s grey as a blue, indigo is nicer, W&N do a good one. Indigo is a bit livelier than Payne’s grey but nice and dark. Maybe you could use a little kitchen foil squidged well in so you could swap a colour out if it did not do anything for what you are painting. Your two darker triads don’t need another dark colour, you can mix one anyway, so maybe go light instead? I get anxious without a good single pigment green gold, my favourite is irgazine yellow, and some form of rose for its purple mixes. But you know what your own colour leanings are!
Hi. Thank you for watching and commenting. That's a very good idea about using some foil. 🙏😊
Just some observations: That raw sienna is odd.. very dark and weirdly grey for the typical hue. Would get a lot more out of a lighter more yellow version. Two of these have one hue which really doesn't flow with the others. Would be more usable if they all are of a similar tone and as close as possible to one "yellow, red, and blue" and one earth. Try to take advantage of mixing compliments.. for example ultramarine and sienna.. not only give you browns but greys. If you really like the phthalo red shade it's mixing complements are Venetian red, or cad orange. PY3 isn't the most stable yellow, you might want to consider a different pigment. The fewer pigments the better they mix.. try for single pigments if you can get them. If you like the dark tones I would consider a better raw sienna, perylene maroon, indanthrone blue, and raw umber (both the raw umber and raw sienna are mixing complements to the indanthrone). All of those are available as single pigments, and are stable and lighfast. If you love a different pigment I'm happy to look up some other mixing complements or you can find a full list on Handprint.. it's buried in the "color theory" section.
Thanks very much for your comment. I would think, unless neutral colors are your goal, complimentary colors are what you would want to avoid in a triad? (such as when I mix phthalo blue RS with the pr101 in the 4th combo). Having one as a fourth color would be fine though as long as it is able to make interesting and useful mixes with the other two colors in the triad also.
I don't have any trouble making neutrals, browns or near blacks with any of the 4 combinations in the video so I don't think I need to worry about exact mixing compliments.
Raw sienna, Perylene Maroon and Indanthrene blue does sound like an interesting combination. I'm not sure I could get a green I like out of it though?
The whole idea was to use the colors I already own (as shown in the part 1 of the series) to create for me a fun 4 color limited palette for use in sketchbooks. It's more about experimentation and having fun with the mixes rather than going by the book. Nothing too serious. 😊🙏
I've had fun with this combination: Winsor Red, Winsor Yellow, Prussian Blue - all W&N professional. For the 4th colour it would be Quinacridone Burnt Sienna (Daniel Smith).
That sounds like a good combo. Thanks for sharing 🙏
The 3rd is nice especially mixing a green. My usual four colours palette are Hansa yellow, quin rose, red oxide or burnt sienna and pthalo blue (red shade)
That sounds like a good combination.
Yes I like the green mixed from quinacridone gold. I think I want to experiment more mixing it with other blues.
This is very inspiring! I will definitely try a limited pallete for some projects. Limiting to 4 colors maybe too much (or too little) for me, I will choose 6 :) I liked the mixes with PBr25, I want to try it with pure PY150 and PB60 for a dark blue, and Quin rose to mix purples. Def an Ochre or Sienna and maybe a Cerulean for the skies, not sure. I also like muted palettes and landscapes by the way.
Thank you for watching and commenting 🙏
I definitely think six colors is a good idea. It would make it much more versatile.
Maybe I'll make a video in the future testing 6 color combinations?
I just wanted to say, I LOVE your voiceover, so organized and methodical ❤️
Haha thank you. I have no idea what I am doing. Most of the time I'm trying not to trip up over my words or go off on weird tangents. 🤣
@@JayNathanWatercolor aren’t we all, most of my audio is re done twice before it’s even decent😂
@@graaceie Haha. I didn't realize you had a channel? I subbed and look forward to seeing more videos from you 😊🙏
@@JayNathanWatercolor oh thank you 😊
Your voiceover 🔥💛
Thank you 😊🙏
I really like this video.
I, too, prefer the first as it's the most versatile, and the fourth just because I like it. I do like the idea of you trying each palette for a while to see which works best for you.
Thank you 🙏
That's one of the good thing about a 4 color palette with small wells. It's very easy to use up the paint and change colors.
I just discovered the video now so you probably made your selection already but here goes!
I would first try to decide a "mood" and temperature for the palette. Just 4 colors are maybe too few to have both warm and cool tones involved. For a primary-clean-cool palette I would choose py3 (or another clean yellow if lightfastness is an issue), a primary pv19 and a cool pthalo blue (I prefer pthalo turquoise pb16 myself), with an earth or a dark as a fourth addition. But as you paint landscapes this would mean a lot of mixing for you to get more muted tones and no easy way to warm the mixes up.
For a warm palette I would try quin gold with a warm red (cadmium red light) and a warm blue as well, cobalt blue maybe. And again an earth color as a fourth. Another version would be quin gold with a warm red and indanthrone blue. If you want to use Payne's Grey as a blue, maybe you could make a fun Anders Zorn-inspired palette with a yellow ochre and cad red light. It has a muted and retro feel to it, maybe you could add a cobalt blue as well.
In any case, the possibilities are endless. Do you think there could be any way to put inserts in the palette so that you could change the colors? Maybe there are round pans that could fit..possibly the metal ones that are used in eyeshadow palettes. Anyway keep up the good work, we love it!
Hi. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Yes I have finished all my testing I think. Just posted a video with another 4 combinations. Now I've just got to decide which one I will go for.
That's a good idea to put inserts in the palette but the wells are so small I would probably use up all the paint in a couple of paintings so I can easily change the combinations once I've done experimenting with them.
@@JayNathanWatercolor yep you are probably right ^^ I hope whichever combination you choose works for you!
@@magentaindigoart thank you
I think that'a an excellent idea to experiment on. Then you can tell us what you learnt :)
Thank you 😊🙏
I personally love the third one, and yeah just switch out the dark for a red brown!
It's interesting to see that people like different ones. I still can't decide which I like best. I'll probably make another video of combinations before I make a decision.
LOL it's not a stupid idea! I think the first one with the burnt sienna will be the most versatile, you're right, I do think something in that range tends to be the most common 4 color palette. In the fourth, if you swapped out the raw sienna for a lighter yellow, or swapped out the iron oxide for something like a carmine, I think it would be a bit more flexible. You could put the light yellow in the top yellow triangle then put your raw sienna or iron oxide in the "dark" box. Plenty to play around with here! Also still enjoying the voiceovers, keep it up! :)
Thank you. Yes the first one does seem to be the most common and most useful but it's also kinda boring to me. Haha.
I think I want to try Quin Gold, Carmine, Phthalo Blue RS and Burnt Sienna.
@@JayNathanWatercolor I recommend Nickel Azo Yellow if you want a versatile yellow, it's basically the only one I always have in a palette because it can be cool or warm. You can mix burnt sienna or red oxide with it to make a quin gold from it. Your combo in your comment sounds excellent too though!
Nickel Azo Yellow is PY150 right? That's one yellow I've never tried before. I think Rembrandt's version of PY150 is their Aureolin hue.
@@JayNathanWatercolor Yep, sure is! They're not all created equal, I prefer DS or M Graham but I haven't tried Rembrandt. I hope you can give it a try at some point, it's a very versatile and beautiful color :)
I will definitely give it a try sometime 🙂
I find it interesting that you pronounce PthAlo as PthYlo. Let alone how you pronounce Holbein! 😉
I think I like the first or third triad.
Thanks for your comment.
This was really interesting & fun.I'm going to play around with this. I have a wild idea-I'll let you know how it works out.
I'm glad you enjoyed it 😊 Is your wild idea a secret? I look forward to hearing about it. Haha 🙏
i want quin gold now. :D this is giving me jane blundell triad vibes, love it! my fave would be the second triad. i've really been into earths lately. does the Mijello Dark Burnt Sienna PBr7 rewet well? the dot on my dot chart hardly gives any colour at all and doesn't look anything like your swatch here.
You should definitely get the quin gold. It's great.
That's two people now who like the second triad most. I like it too but I would swap the sepia for cobalt or Phthalo blue red shade. Maybe I'll have to make another video trying more combinations? 🤣
The Mijello dark burnt sienna is a lovely color but it is the worst paint for reweting I have ever used. I have some squeezed into my 8 well wooden pallet and it sets like a rock. Before painting I would drop some water on top of each paint and leave it for 10-20mins. When I come back all the other paints have absorbed the water while the burnt sienna has a puddle on top and is still solid as a rock. 🤣 For my swatch it came straight from the tube so no problems.
@@JayNathanWatercolor ohhh yes please! more combos! i have a couple triad vids lined up for august too but not as moody as these ones for sure ;P aww, guess that dark burnt sienna is a no-go. the search continues!
@@PaintinHiding Yes I don't see any reason to buy this dark burnt sienna. Go for a different brand.
Oh cool. Looking forward to seeing your triad videos. Will they be variations on red, yellow, blue or are they weird combinations?
@@JayNathanWatercolor variations but i guess some could call it weird too, depending on how one sees it. hehe
Try a green, orange and violet triad. 🤣