This was amazing. He didn't say almost anything I didn't know and yet I learned so much from everything he said. His way of communicating and his response to the ludicrous talking points, that are made from the wrong side, is amazing!
Mr. V P. Is one of the finest historians and independent journalists in the world. He knows the history of each and every continent in this world. He travelled a lot in the conflict zones. He knows a lot. His integrity level is so high that he never scares to mention extremist Hindus destruction of an old mosque in India.
Vijay is one of the best intellectuals to break down the troubles of our time. He's well researched, good faith, and he breaks things down in basic and humble terms. I always feel like I've really learned something from him. Thanks for having him on
Well you've learnt rubbish. Everything he says is a given is not. Yes, 750,000 arabs were displaced in 1948 but the zionists only expelled 15%, and this was only because they had tried to kill the jews. There was no policy to expel. 200,000 arabs remained and they have become the 1.8 million today. They are about 21/22% of Israel. The Israeli declerations asked them to stay and build a county with the jews! The rest either left because the arab army's told them to, planning to kill the jews and then they could go back, or left themselves. Many sent their wives and kids our of the land because of the fighting. It was the arabs that declared war. He neglects to mention the 850,000 jews expelled from the arab world at that time. He talks about 1 million killed in India and seems to think that is better than the 750,000 arabs that were displaced. There is so much more too. Seriously, this is taking snippets of truth and creating his own rhetoric. If you want to discuss further contact me on telegram. @space_cadet81. I also have a small group I will invite you to if you message me. Learn the TRUTH! Googe al-husseini. He held recruit arabs for the nazis. was part of the final solution. He escaped punishment. Trained abbas and Arafat and started the PLO. They are direct descendants of the Nazis. The "peace" under the Ottoman empire is true if jews were subservient to muslims. Paid a high tax. Wore a star to signal they were jewish. Were not allowed to build places of worship or ride horses (only donkeys) and many more things. Israel gave arabs full rights the same as the jews. They are excluded from having to serve in the army but can choose to. EgyPt has a border with Gaza. Gaza was not under a blockade in 2005. This only happened after they started to attack Israel. Egypt closed the border for 6 years when Hamas took power - not because of Israel but because Hamas came from the muslim brotherhood. google "Black September". In 1951 the Palestinians killed the King of Jordan and drank his blood. There are 22 muslim countries in the middle east. 56 majority worldwide. 5.5 million sq m of land in the middle east. Jews have 8,500 sq m. Muslims took the land by conquest but jews should give the land they won in wars they did not start back. Jordan is 78% of the British mandate. Jews were given 55% of the remaining 23% and 40% of the population would have been arab. Yet, they said NO and declared war. Seriously, he is lying to you!
Thank you, Richard, for having Vijay Prashad for this discussion. Invigorating and informative insights. Histories, philosophy, sciences, and religious divisions, languages mixing, and cultures traveling for centuries producing wars, divisions and slaves since 8000 years before Christ. Vijay Prashad is well informed and thankfully we have others also. I just hope we all learn to have an open mind to acquire a different way of being and living. Life, living, and death are one. Lift one another up.
I’m a communist (not ML or anarchist or ultra or Trotskyist or whatever, just someone who believes humans can potentially live in peace, theoretically. Those factions all have some merit to my current knowledge, but I’m not nearly important enough to decide which wins out. Just a communist.) I consider Vijay Prashad as a comrade. He doesn’t know what to do, but he knows a lot about what has happened so far, not just because he’s a classically trained historian but because he cares and has been paying attention, and he wants to do everything he can to get us to a better situation. The clarity of his explanations is astonishing. Most of all, I appreciate that he cares about the people he talks to.
that's a low key on point description of him. Even when absolutely shredding someone with history, facts and analysis, he just comes off as a very composed and based gentleman.
V. J. you are👍👍👍. The most digestable and reasonable assessment on historical ownership of lands. The illustrated comparisons on claims and counter claims are real , easy to understand and may I say, entertaining. Well done!!
Top rung Robinson . Your brilliance in coverage is outstanding. This man is a harbinger of clarity and confidence. The best of Historical analysis asserting itself. Let’s take this Leap into the Dark. 🐈
Vijay Prasad makes a point that is so obvious, it would not have to be made if we lived in a halfway sensible world: all this historical finger-pointing-the “biblical deed,” the “original inhabitants” and all that-is irrelevant to the current situation. They’re just an effort to claim a higher moral ground. None of it matters. The question is what _now_ moves the situation forward to something (more or less) permanent, peaceful?
Vijay's encyclopic knowledge is mind-blowing. Your gift of explaining narritives to laity is wonderful. It's always a pleasure to listen to Vijay speak.
Go to The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi to learn about the Palestinian population at the time after 1917, the time of the Balfour Declaration, towards the end of the 1st World War and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. At that time Palestine was governed under the British mandate. The major population at that time was mainly Palestinian.
@@cropframe why you just maiing shiz up you dum.. b f...k they are little different genetically than egyptians and Syrians and fit perfectly in that land in terms of history they cluster very close to bronze age remains from that land and even if they came from egypt or Syria they will still have more right than a polish or a German fake convert claiming that land
he mentions facts. but not all of them. How does he fit into his view that in 1948 cc 700,000 Jews were evicted from Arab countries. Another fact is that over 1 millíon Arabs live in Israel wíth equal rights and a vote to the parliament. (he says that they are encouraged to leave the country and to give up their citizenship - but this is only his own prejudiced evaluation - but he presents that as if it is a fact. ) Actually there are many facts which he does not mention which are inconvenient to his predetermined view. BUT it is a fact that in his speech he refers, in humiliating terms, to the intelligence of anyone who doesn't agree with him or sees a certain situation in a different way than his. I would not (don't) expect a faculty member of a respectable university to express himself in such a way.
Hero of Humanity, Humans are not wired to hard core violence. It is shattering for humane People to watch killing of innocents in a brutal manner......Thanks for speaking out for besieged People,anywhere in the World,Palestine being in the forefront.
Palestinians of all faiths have lived together in peace for centuries before zionist occupation. We don't need to imagine or speculate, just learn history.
@cropframe They did live in peace. They trusted eachother with babysitting their children. It's Israeli propaganda to say Jews and Muslims haven't lived peacefully. Jews had their Golden Age in Islamic Spain for 800 years until the Spanish Inquisition drove them both out to North Africa. The Jews chose to live with Muslims. It is a Muslim family who holds the key to Holy Sepulchre. The Palestinian Christians go out before sun rise during Ramadan to wake up their Muslim neighbours for eat before starting their fast. This was the peace and harmony the 3 religions had before the British and Americans created Israel and European imposters who came in as refugees terrorised the indigenous people.
Well maybe people inside the country got along, for the most part... But that is very different to there being peace. There was tension and conflict between various groups trying to oust the Ottoman Islamic Imperialists...
@@TheConquest88 Sure, the region is at a ciritcal crossroads and has been disputed by empires for millenia. Which doesn't negate the fact that internally the population was diverse and coexisted peacefully.
Jeff Sachs is also very cool. Just checked the channel, J. Sacks, M. Hudson, N. Finkelstein! Sapolsky! wow. nice. What a priviledge:). Subsrcribed. Ty.
Always love listening to Vijay speak. It's a shame so much time was wasted on ridiculous questions like whether or not Palestinian people existed. And referencing Noah Tishby as a legitimate voice on this topic? smh
Ashkenazi are judean very much Jews and one of the twelve tribes. Canaanites assimilated into the Israelites and those that resisted died out. There is no historical text of Palastinians from Egypt through to the Ottomans and the yet the Jews remain ever constant, artifacts, manuscripts, together with history point to the tribes of israel, nothing ever talks about palastine, palastine only exists from 1920.
So grateful for Vijay Prasad's perspectives. Also, demonstrates the vast ignorance of this host. Reminds me of the saying 'a little bit of knowledge is a very dangerous thing'... Palestinians and Jews lived in harmony before the Europeans decided to outsource their anti-semitism to the Arab/muslim nation. You can be sure the British was always behind this. Divide and conquer!!!
Wonderful interview. Been following Vijay Prashad for a very long time and he's only gotten more incisive, direct and powerful with his clear analysis. A little worried about what's going on under Robinson's nose though...
We've been telling everyone this same story, i even used to go into chat rooms inb the 90s and tell them: if you have a historical problem we'll build you a time machine, you can go back and sort it out! That's none of our problem. I knew the change was coming, but I'm amazed at the volume 💪
Vijay is explaning the ancestor claim to land rather complicated. The issue is not difficult Isreal is a settler colonial state created by the west for imperial control on that region. Besides 95% of the current population in Israel is not even Semite they are Europeans/Anglo Saxons that converted to the Zionist cult. They are not Semite or Hebrew!
you are lying. majority of Jews in Israel are refugees from Muslim supremacists in the Middle East. Majority of Arabs - descendants of the recent (200 years) migrants from Egypt and Syria. Migran from Syria have no more claim than Migrant from Europe
Ashkenazis were Anglo-Euro Zionists. Hitler was an Austrian (Ashkenazi) Jew. Their is a two prong connection to the word “NAZI” one relating to “AshkeNazi” and the other to German nationalism (nazism). Both shared a very similar belief of an entitled supremacy people based on a group identity of “Anglo-European Zionism” (Zionism being the supreme beings). What we’re seeing today is that same mentality of Anglo euro entitled supremacy of superior heritage. ZIONISM = NAZISM
Thank you very much for your brilliant insight, Dr. Prashad! I am an American of African ancestry. Approximately ten years ago, through DNA testing, I learned that my direct paternal lineage is Igbo (Southeast Nigeria), and Rameses III is an ancient forefather of mine. We share the same paternal haplogroup. My direct maternal lineage is Balanta (Guinea-Bissau). The Balanta migrated from the Sahel region of Eastern Africa to their present home hundreds of years ago. They fled climate change and wars. Of course, I have no legitimate claim to land in Egypt, Nigeria, or Guinea-Bissau today!
@@JonROlsen Still a "cop-out" answer LOL Sorry my child. 🙂I'm can't oblige you, but I think it's healthy to see where we agree and disagree without being offensive, that's all. I understand you being "protective". It's a "hard knock school" when one comments a posting? but that's ok. And if you want to insult me, that's ok too. 🙂I'm pretty much inured now. So I can even take your "little" dig like water off a duck's back. And that's ok too.
His comments at the end are what we see right now as I type this. Palestinians are returning to the north of gaza where over 80 percof homes and infrastructure are destroyed finding there rubble of a home and pitching a tent out of plastic sheeting or whatever. Staedfast resolve to live and keep moving through the " zig zag of history ". Who knows what will happen in the coming days and months but I can guarantee that if people are alive they will continue to survive under intense pressure.
I still remember children who were in my class back in the early 80s looked a little different and had different accent from Iraqis, I asked my Mom she said they are Palestinians! I believe they were living in a part of the city in a makeshift neighborhood since 1948!!! Until 2008 there were few families still there most of them left because of the civil war or violence after 2003! Tragedy.
Loved this discussion - I truly feel a lasting peace is possible in Palestine if it's based on all their indigenous citizens taking a DNA test - these are the only people who should determine how a One State solution could be realised - Jews of European decent have a colonial / Zionest mentality which I feel is why we are currently in this situation - Our beloved Nelson Mandela always believed in diversity and respect for all cultures and religions - I pray for peace in Palestine ❤
Talking about historical right to a land is ridiculous and a-historical. Humans came out of Africa and therefore, shall they all return there? Just the idea of a land belonging to humans is ridiculous. And the colonial idea of a "sparsely populated land" is also ridiculous since what is the definition of "sparse"? Canada is barely populated, so are many Western US states, hence everyone should be allowed there to "take those empty land", right? One need a 10 seconds intellectual honesty to realise the ridiculousness of those arguments, and how they are not even worth mentioning.
which would be great except he picks and chooses how its applied , if the case is no land can be owned then do borders and its protection count , most people would find it hard at this moment to get rid of that , and then he says if land has been given then thats it , well his example of Pakistan holds true for Israel . he avoids breaking it down by saying complexity and gods deed etc lol , thats the trouble with these so called intellects , they say things that sound fluffy and nice , doesn't work in reality
I do not like wasting my time on youtube but here is a last response. First of all, you completely missed the point: there is no picking and choosing who is right or wrong, as V. Prashad so eloquently put it. It is about the dangers to the socio-political order if people start to ask for land based on some barely provable "historical[sic]" record. The second issue is that the current capitalist way of defining land access is negative: that one's claim is meant to EXCLUDE others from access. This is a remnant of feudalism. Now, what many settler-colonial citizen and their descendants in the West fail to understand is that slogans like "Land Back" (the Native in North America/Turtle Island) and "From the River to the Sea" (in Palestine and beyond) and not exclusive of any specific ethnicity/religion, but rather inclusive and in a sense more "democratic" in nature. But I bet such a thought process is hard to understand for one who grew up benefiting from an exclusionary system. Now you can go ahead an troll and argue, I am done. If the host of this channel is interested in philosophy, he should pick up these trains of thoughts and explore them adequately through the philosophical lens.
The indian ruling class since independence was the comprador class during colonialism. They were not the victims of colonialism so obviously won't have solidarity with the oppressed
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What happens for example if we declare it a European problem, then what happens after? Interesting but how does this bring anyone any closer to solving anything.
When i was on the Left, i heard about Sabra and Shatila. LATER, I learned that PLO had moved from Jordan to Lebanon after they betrayed their host, the King of Jordan, with a coup attempt that failed. Jordan have been reluctant but eventually bombed and mortared the Palestinian rebels, killing about 15,000. That's called Black September. (Jordan _IS_ a Palestinian state in Palestine, the first Palestinian state in all history, created by the British. 90% of citizens are Palestinians living in the same Palestinian villages, led by a king from Arabia, who THEY asked to rule them. Britain gave away THREE FOURTHS of British Palestine to Jordan, leaving ONE FOURTH, of which half or ONE EIGHTH of Palestine was eventually allowed to become the State of Israel.) After residing in Lebanon, the PLO did a drive-by shooting on several Christians outside a church, which sparked Civil War for 14 years that destroyed Beirut and left about 150,000 dead, with factional fighting between rival Islamic groups and Christians. People were killed at checkpoints based on their identity card. Israel had gotten involved or had been ASKED to intervene. Towards the end of this long struggle, a Christian Phalangist militia took revenge on the PLO and Palestinian faction, for past atrocities caused by the PLO. That's Sabra and Shatila. To blame? Israel of course. Who is NOT held responsible for all that k......? The PLO & Palestinians.
This is an extreme oversimplification. For starters, only 10% of Jordan was actually habitable; so when you say that Britain gave the majority of Colonial Palestine to Jordan this "majority" was mostly desert; a lot of Palestinians came from villages that Israel now occupied. Lebanon was another can of worms entirely; although the war was triggered by Palestinian influx which strenghtened Sunni power in Lebanon, it had more to do with already-existing sectarian tensions that would've been triggered by some other causes even if we ignore the PLO. Anyhow, all the factions involved had genocidal tendencies due to the stake at war (communal power) and it wasn't really useful to ask which side started what, not dissimiliar to other such communal crises in Yugoslavia or Iraq
Nothing is like any other thing. And the indigenous genocide and slavery dominate American reality to this day, despite the denial. And removal history is NOT so ancient, outside the Balfour declaration zone. In America it is all around us and simply ignored by white liberals and VERY recent AND ongoing. And also of course many many families of relatively recent white american migrants, not just Jewish people, DO have traumatic histories that are recent. I can trace easily and directly to people cleared from their land and deported on any excuse, simply because the english elite wanted it. We have oral histories and documents. Half of Scotland is CUrently owned by the same families who were "granted" it in the 1790s. Prashad is quite right to broaden the lens, but I say he doesn't broaden it far enough. Europe was internally colonized as it was externally colonizing. This should produce solidarity at some level, but tends to simply muddy the waters. Nonetheless it is history.
In my experience, despite some naivety, by far the sanest apologist for Palestinian cause. Refreshing change from repetitive crybabies like Norman Finkelstein.
I wonder if the speaker will bother himself whatsoever with the disruptions and conflicts that must have been created in the course of and in the wake of the Ottoman Empire's occupation of the Levant. Or is that completely outside the realm of scrutiny because the Ottomans were neither Europeans nor white? Further, curious to see whether he scrutinizes the Middle East and its predominantly Arab Muslim population for signs of racism in their treatment of minorities and other groups found within that region.
1:03:30 He says "from the very beggining of the enslavement of humans ,in the trans-atlantic slave-trade". This is wrong ,human slavery predates history ,it is extremely old ,it did not begin with the trans-atlantic slave trade. I find that a lot of americans believe that but this guy doesn't even sound american ,weird... Even institutionalized slavery predates the trans atlantic slave trade ,before the europeans ,arabs were already sailing to the west coast of africa to buy slaves and bring them to arabia to sell to other arabs. Also a lot of people who believed slavery started with the trans-atlantic slave trade also believe these europeans used to enslave africans from the west coast ,this is false. The overwhelming majority (over 99%) were enslaved by other african tribes and the eurpoeans and arabs would buy them already enslaved. Sometimes their own tribe used to sell them off as slaves in exchange for clothes ,jewelry and other types of goods they did not know how to produce or did not have access to otherwise.
@@jayobannon5359 I didn't say the analogy does not hold ,I just said that fact is wrong. Also he could have made another appropriate analogy without the disinformation. If you care to elaborate I will listen and adjust my position accordingly if I am missing something here.
Lmao he didn't say that trans-atlantic slave trade was the very beginning of slavery in human history. He was merely pointing out how from the very beginning of this process in the trans-atlantic slave trade (which is a particular temporal context he chose to focus here to make the point), humans have sought to break away from this monstrous system and this choice was never a practical one, because they often preferred death over enslavement. Resistance has always been against the pragmatism of the "civilized" monsters. He's not saying that your white ancestors started all the horrible things in human history lol.
What part of "transatlantic" is difficult to understand? The point also is this was a new nation of constitutionally "free" people (ignoring the reservations, as usual) that still justified not slavery from conquest but race-based slavery for commerce and profit as part of its "free republic." I really like how some people choose to ignore the racial aspect plus the intergenerational aspect in "civilized" European societies, unusual even among the much older civilizations. Racists are so special.
hes known to do that as his education in india was actually just brainwashing , most of the commies in india dont see what mao did as wrong and everything is big bad America /west issues , its why his kind only have a few little cities where there political views are listened to , most of these so called intellects were upheld by NGO's who wanted to spread this nonsense .
You just disproved your own argument "how does one know that the "second temple" should be built on the site of the mosque in Jerusalem on the basis of historical ownership of that site" That's exactly what Muslims did when they built that mosque on the historical site of the Jewish temple. How did they know they should have that site? They didn't.
The states who have a religious character r from 98 to 97 persent of a cretain religion and that is islam amd in many muslim countries the non muslims are planted there they were not indiginous to that land but now they r part of it. So a country with 97 98 an 99 persent bpopulation of certain religion can associate to that religion
AMERICA is a continent with over 1 billion people and 34 sovereign nations like Argentina, Brazil, Cuba etc ...are all American countries. The military you speak about are the UNITEDSTADIANS ... USA these are the ones you speak of overstaying their occupation of many nations like Iraq, Niger, Syria and who knows where else? I live in USA, and I love the history and many of the traditions of respect, law and equality it was founded on. Most people of the United States are ignorant of this exclusive representation... the people of the United States are not the only Americans and they do not represent the interests of all American countries. The people and army of UNITED STATES are UNITEDSTADIANS! l and many Americans from throughout North and South America, call on the world to be respectful of all AMERICANS... north
Hello, the host, with due respect as an individual, I'm requesting you before coming on the air please study more on the Middle East history. You don't need to be a historian to know the facts about beautiful Palestine. Your limited knowledge triggers irritation. Dr. Vijay Prasad gave his previous time, before sitting in front of him , you were required to research more prior to asking him nonsense questions about is rael, which never existed before 1948.
"From the river to the sea, create a place of equal human rights" That might be your interpretation, but I think you are dreaming The original Hamas charter expressly and specifically called for the genocide of all Jewish inhabitants, from the river to the sea in the area currently called Israel. I'm not defending Israel, what they have done has been appalling, but the other side is not lollipops and butterflies. The problem is intractable.
There was never a palestian people or state. SOME ARABS owned property just like Jews did. They cant claim that thr entite land lbelong to them . The Negev desert was never considered part of Israel/ Palestine yet this too they claim .
Outstanding, Prashad is one of greatest of reasonable, humane voices and geopolitical analysts of our time.
It's incredible that idiots like Piers get so much airtime whilst people like Vijay are not heard of
I’ve been a fan of Dr. Vijay Prashad for many years. I appreciate his insight and activism.
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This was amazing. He didn't say almost anything I didn't know and yet I learned so much from everything he said. His way of communicating and his response to the ludicrous talking points, that are made from the wrong side, is amazing!
Mr. V P. Is one of the finest historians and independent journalists in the world. He knows the history of each and every continent in this world.
He travelled a lot in the conflict zones. He knows a lot. His integrity level is so high that he never scares to mention extremist Hindus destruction of an old mosque in India.
So you don't enjoy your beliefs being challenged? Big surprise... but don't be offended, this is an extensive problem on both sides of the conflict.
@@nicholasjohnson778 Yes, the Palestinians dare to resist. It is a huge problem for the Israelis, naturally.
I have lots of respects for Vijay.
Vijay is one of the best intellectuals to break down the troubles of our time. He's well researched, good faith, and he breaks things down in basic and humble terms. I always feel like I've really learned something from him. Thanks for having him on
Yeah this guy is great
brown settler colonialist complaining about the "colonial project"
Well you've learnt rubbish. Everything he says is a given is not. Yes, 750,000 arabs were displaced in 1948 but the zionists only expelled 15%, and this was only because they had tried to kill the jews. There was no policy to expel. 200,000 arabs remained and they have become the 1.8 million today. They are about 21/22% of Israel. The Israeli declerations asked them to stay and build a county with the jews! The rest either left because the arab army's told them to, planning to kill the jews and then they could go back, or left themselves. Many sent their wives and kids our of the land because of the fighting. It was the arabs that declared war. He neglects to mention the 850,000 jews expelled from the arab world at that time. He talks about 1 million killed in India and seems to think that is better than the 750,000 arabs that were displaced. There is so much more too. Seriously, this is taking snippets of truth and creating his own rhetoric. If you want to discuss further contact me on telegram. @space_cadet81. I also have a small group I will invite you to if you message me. Learn the TRUTH! Googe al-husseini. He held recruit arabs for the nazis. was part of the final solution. He escaped punishment. Trained abbas and Arafat and started the PLO. They are direct descendants of the Nazis. The "peace" under the Ottoman empire is true if jews were subservient to muslims. Paid a high tax. Wore a star to signal they were jewish. Were not allowed to build places of worship or ride horses (only donkeys) and many more things. Israel gave arabs full rights the same as the jews. They are excluded from having to serve in the army but can choose to. EgyPt has a border with Gaza. Gaza was not under a blockade in 2005. This only happened after they started to attack Israel. Egypt closed the border for 6 years when Hamas took power - not because of Israel but because Hamas came from the muslim brotherhood. google "Black September". In 1951 the Palestinians killed the King of Jordan and drank his blood. There are 22 muslim countries in the middle east. 56 majority worldwide. 5.5 million sq m of land in the middle east. Jews have 8,500 sq m. Muslims took the land by conquest but jews should give the land they won in wars they did not start back. Jordan is 78% of the British mandate. Jews were given 55% of the remaining 23% and 40% of the population would have been arab. Yet, they said NO and declared war. Seriously, he is lying to you!
If we had people like Vijay Prashad running this world be would be living in peace and harmony. May God bless him.
That's why they don't run this world , they are too busy making sense of the nonsense of human nature
Thank you, Richard, for having Vijay Prashad for this discussion. Invigorating and informative insights. Histories, philosophy, sciences, and religious divisions, languages mixing, and cultures traveling for centuries producing wars, divisions and slaves since 8000 years before Christ.
Vijay Prashad is well informed and thankfully we have others also. I just hope we all learn to have an open mind to acquire a different way of being and living. Life, living, and death are one. Lift one another up.
I love me some Vijay Prishad. I click on every video that he’s in. So thank you!
Vijay- the best educator around, always with the love of humanity shining through.
Hell yeah, I love Vijay Prashad!!! He's a true comrade of the people.
Vijay Prashad is THE best to ever do it. His knowledge and compassion is unmatched.
An absolutely essential analysis by Vijay. He should be on every school curriculum on the planet.
I’m a communist (not ML or anarchist or ultra or Trotskyist or whatever, just someone who believes humans can potentially live in peace, theoretically. Those factions all have some merit to my current knowledge, but I’m not nearly important enough to decide which wins out. Just a communist.) I consider Vijay Prashad as a comrade. He doesn’t know what to do, but he knows a lot about what has happened so far, not just because he’s a classically trained historian but because he cares and has been paying attention, and he wants to do everything he can to get us to a better situation. The clarity of his explanations is astonishing. Most of all, I appreciate that he cares about the people he talks to.
Vijay's Washington Bullets demolished any vestige of American exceptionalism I had inside. Profound effect.
yet he refuses to move bac k to India
@@cropframeThe genocidal European invader-occupier stock should "move back". Vijay's ok. Afterall, he's indigenous American "Indian"🤣
Grade A gentleman the Vijay
that's a low key on point description of him. Even when absolutely shredding someone with history, facts and analysis, he just comes off as a very composed and based gentleman.
V. J. you are👍👍👍. The most digestable and reasonable assessment on historical ownership of lands. The illustrated comparisons on claims and counter claims are real , easy to understand and may I say, entertaining. Well done!!
let's fuckinggg gooooo; vijay is the mannnnn
Top rung Robinson . Your brilliance in coverage is outstanding. This man is a harbinger of clarity and confidence. The best of Historical analysis asserting itself. Let’s take this Leap into the Dark. 🐈
He is probably trying to redemn himself after hosting and supporting zionist talking points with Victor Davis
Vijay Prasad makes a point that is so obvious, it would not have to be made if we lived in a halfway sensible world: all this historical finger-pointing-the “biblical deed,” the “original inhabitants” and all that-is irrelevant to the current situation. They’re just an effort to claim a higher moral ground. None of it matters. The question is what _now_ moves the situation forward to something (more or less) permanent, peaceful?
Thanks Vijay🙏🌹
Vijay's encyclopic knowledge is mind-blowing. Your gift of explaining narritives to laity is wonderful. It's always a pleasure to listen to Vijay speak.
Go to The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine by Rashid Khalidi to learn about the Palestinian population at the time after 1917, the time of the Balfour Declaration, towards the end of the 1st World War and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. At that time Palestine was governed under the British mandate. The major population at that time was mainly Palestinian.
they were mostly recent migrants ( "colonialists") from Egypt. and Syria. They have no more claim to the land than European migrants
@@cropframe why you just maiing shiz up you dum.. b f...k they are little different genetically than egyptians and Syrians and fit perfectly in that land in terms of history they cluster very close to bronze age remains from that land and even if they came from egypt or Syria they will still have more right than a polish or a German fake convert claiming that land
he mentions facts. but not all of them. How does he fit into his view that in 1948 cc 700,000 Jews were evicted from Arab countries. Another fact is that over 1 millíon Arabs live in Israel wíth equal rights and a vote to the parliament. (he says that they are encouraged to leave the country and to give up their citizenship - but this is only his own prejudiced evaluation - but he presents that as if it is a fact. ) Actually there are many facts which he does not mention which are inconvenient to his predetermined view. BUT it is a fact that in his speech he refers, in humiliating terms, to the intelligence of anyone who doesn't agree with him or sees a certain situation in a different way than his. I would not (don't) expect a faculty member of a respectable university to express himself in such a way.
Hero of Humanity, Humans are not wired to hard core violence. It is shattering for humane People to watch killing of innocents in a brutal manner......Thanks for speaking out for besieged People,anywhere in the World,Palestine being in the forefront.
That's the capitalism RepubliCON way..as aby ignorant MAGA moron will tell u
Palestinians of all faiths have lived together in peace for centuries before zionist occupation. We don't need to imagine or speculate, just learn history.
you are lying
@cropframe They did live in peace. They trusted eachother with babysitting their children. It's Israeli propaganda to say Jews and Muslims haven't lived peacefully. Jews had their Golden Age in Islamic Spain for 800 years until the Spanish Inquisition drove them both out to North Africa. The Jews chose to live with Muslims.
It is a Muslim family who holds the key to Holy Sepulchre. The Palestinian Christians go out before sun rise during Ramadan to wake up their Muslim neighbours for eat before starting their fast.
This was the peace and harmony the 3 religions had before the British and Americans created Israel and European imposters who came in as refugees terrorised the indigenous people.
@@cropframe zio troll detected
Well maybe people inside the country got along, for the most part... But that is very different to there being peace. There was tension and conflict between various groups trying to oust the Ottoman Islamic Imperialists...
@@TheConquest88 Sure, the region is at a ciritcal crossroads and has been disputed by empires for millenia. Which doesn't negate the fact that internally the population was diverse and coexisted peacefully.
"a little too much zag, not enough zig" is going to be my comment to everything 🙌🏽❤
There is just so much clarity and insight in this interview but the future is still darkness why ???
Brilliant analysis
Dr. Prashad is absolutely brilliant.
Jeff Sachs is also very cool. Just checked the channel, J. Sacks, M. Hudson, N. Finkelstein! Sapolsky! wow. nice. What a priviledge:). Subsrcribed. Ty.
Always love listening to Vijay speak. It's a shame so much time was wasted on ridiculous questions like whether or not Palestinian people existed. And referencing Noah Tishby as a legitimate voice on this topic? smh
Vijay makes too much sense. He needs to be shouted down!
wholeheartedly agree that Vijay makes so much sense that he does need to be shut down lol. such a smart, thoughtful, kind and humane person.
Needs to go to piers' show for piers to gang up on him with his zionist buddies
true intellectual ❤
Even if we were to argue who were original inhabitants of that land. Palestinians are direct descendents of Canaanites while Askhenazi Jews are not.
Ashkenazi are judean very much Jews and one of the twelve tribes. Canaanites assimilated into the Israelites and those that resisted died out. There is no historical text of Palastinians from Egypt through to the Ottomans and the yet the Jews remain ever constant, artifacts, manuscripts, together with history point to the tribes of israel, nothing ever talks about palastine, palastine only exists from 1920.
Ashkenazi are converts. They have no ethnic ties to the land.
@@taq1238 if you are aiming for ignorance you nailed it
@@taq1238 what is your factual evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are all converts? And don't insult our intelligence by just shouting Khazars!!
Palestinians part of the Arab colonising to across North Africa
"like shooting pigs in a barrel" I DISAGREE, it is like pigs shooting in a barrel.
54:20 Israeli exceptionalism
So grateful for Vijay Prasad's perspectives. Also, demonstrates the vast ignorance of this host. Reminds me of the saying 'a little bit of knowledge is a very dangerous thing'... Palestinians and Jews lived in harmony before the Europeans decided to outsource their anti-semitism to the Arab/muslim nation. You can be sure the British was always behind this. Divide and
conquer!!!
Vijay is a free thinking open minded intellectual. Kudos to him!
Vijay is simply a legend 🙌
Vijay is such an awesome knowledgeable Historian.
It's either you accept the truth or you deny it. History lessons will tell you a lot.
Wonderful interview. Been following Vijay Prashad for a very long time and he's only gotten more incisive, direct and powerful with his clear analysis. A little worried about what's going on under Robinson's nose though...
We've been telling everyone this same story, i even used to go into chat rooms inb the 90s and tell them: if you have a historical problem we'll build you a time machine, you can go back and sort it out! That's none of our problem.
I knew the change was coming, but I'm amazed at the volume 💪
Vijay is explaning the ancestor claim to land rather complicated. The issue is not difficult Isreal is a settler colonial state created by the west for imperial control on that region. Besides 95% of the current population in Israel is not even Semite they are Europeans/Anglo Saxons that converted to the Zionist cult. They are not Semite or Hebrew!
you are lying. majority of Jews in Israel are refugees from Muslim supremacists in the Middle East. Majority of Arabs - descendants of the recent (200 years) migrants from Egypt and Syria. Migran from Syria have no more claim than Migrant from Europe
Ashkenazis were Anglo-Euro Zionists. Hitler was an Austrian (Ashkenazi) Jew. Their is a two prong connection to the word “NAZI” one relating to “AshkeNazi” and the other to German nationalism (nazism).
Both shared a very similar belief of an entitled supremacy people based on a group identity of “Anglo-European Zionism” (Zionism being the supreme beings).
What we’re seeing today is that same mentality of Anglo euro entitled supremacy of superior heritage. ZIONISM = NAZISM
“At the level of a Monty Python debate” : I loved that one!
A lot of respect for Vijay 👏🏼👏🏼👌
Thank you very much for your brilliant insight, Dr. Prashad! I am an American of African ancestry. Approximately ten years ago, through DNA testing, I learned that my direct paternal lineage is Igbo (Southeast Nigeria), and Rameses III is an ancient forefather of mine. We share the same paternal haplogroup. My direct maternal lineage is Balanta (Guinea-Bissau). The Balanta migrated from the Sahel region of Eastern Africa to their present home hundreds of years ago. They fled climate change and wars. Of course, I have no legitimate claim to land in Egypt, Nigeria, or Guinea-Bissau today!
I thought God kicked the Jews off the land because they had broken God's Law. They continue to break God's Law.
Would you like to explain how Jews continue to break God's law IYHO?
@@C.E.Thomas1952 All you have to do is look at their conduct and you will see for yourself.
@@JonROlsen Sorry Jon, that's what we call a "cop-out " answer. 🙂
@@C.E.Thomas1952 None are so blind...
@@JonROlsen Still a "cop-out" answer LOL Sorry my child. 🙂I'm can't oblige you, but I think it's healthy to see where we agree and disagree without being offensive, that's all. I understand you being "protective". It's a "hard knock school" when one comments a posting? but that's ok. And if you want to insult me, that's ok too. 🙂I'm pretty much inured now. So I can even take your "little" dig like water off a duck's back. And that's ok too.
I saw his book which was written in collaboration with dr Taimur Rehman. why is he so underrated ?
Vijay there was a piece of paper called passport which say that passport of Palestine
I love the exploration on the meaning of property. We should be takking about this way more.
VP is very eloquent 😊
very nice thanks
His comments at the end are what we see right now as I type this. Palestinians are returning to the north of gaza where over 80 percof homes and infrastructure are destroyed finding there rubble of a home and pitching a tent out of plastic sheeting or whatever. Staedfast resolve to live and keep moving through the " zig zag of history ". Who knows what will happen in the coming days and months but I can guarantee that if people are alive they will continue to survive under intense pressure.
Thanks!
I still remember children who were in my class back in the early 80s looked a little different and had different accent from Iraqis, I asked my Mom she said they are Palestinians! I believe they were living in a part of the city in a makeshift neighborhood since 1948!!! Until 2008 there were few families still there most of them left because of the civil war or violence after 2003! Tragedy.
Loved this discussion - I truly feel a lasting peace is possible in Palestine if it's based on all their indigenous citizens taking a DNA test - these are the only people who should determine how a One State solution could be realised - Jews of European decent have a colonial / Zionest mentality which I feel is why we are currently in this situation - Our beloved Nelson Mandela always believed in diversity and respect for all cultures and religions - I pray for peace in Palestine ❤
Great interview !
An aggressor will never understand the suffering of the victims. There is something very powerful that blocks them from doing so.
I ❤️ Vijay!!
Talking about historical right to a land is ridiculous and a-historical. Humans came out of Africa and therefore, shall they all return there? Just the idea of a land belonging to humans is ridiculous. And the colonial idea of a "sparsely populated land" is also ridiculous since what is the definition of "sparse"? Canada is barely populated, so are many Western US states, hence everyone should be allowed there to "take those empty land", right? One need a 10 seconds intellectual honesty to realise the ridiculousness of those arguments, and how they are not even worth mentioning.
This means Palestinians don't "own" the land Israel is on. Just pointing out facts.
@@dtoad5576 It meqns NO ONE owns the land, though capitalism has decreated out of nowhere that some can buy it. Now take it as it comes, you troll
Except when putin does it right comrade?
which would be great except he picks and chooses how its applied , if the case is no land can be owned then do borders and its protection count , most people would find it hard at this moment to get rid of that , and then he says if land has been given then thats it , well his example of Pakistan holds true for Israel . he avoids breaking it down by saying complexity and gods deed etc lol , thats the trouble with these so called intellects , they say things that sound fluffy and nice , doesn't work in reality
I do not like wasting my time on youtube but here is a last response. First of all, you completely missed the point: there is no picking and choosing who is right or wrong, as V. Prashad so eloquently put it. It is about the dangers to the socio-political order if people start to ask for land based on some barely provable "historical[sic]" record.
The second issue is that the current capitalist way of defining land access is negative: that one's claim is meant to EXCLUDE others from access. This is a remnant of feudalism. Now, what many settler-colonial citizen and their descendants in the West fail to understand is that slogans like "Land Back" (the Native in North America/Turtle Island) and "From the River to the Sea" (in Palestine and beyond) and not exclusive of any specific ethnicity/religion, but rather inclusive and in a sense more "democratic" in nature. But I bet such a thought process is hard to understand for one who grew up benefiting from an exclusionary system.
Now you can go ahead an troll and argue, I am done. If the host of this channel is interested in philosophy, he should pick up these trains of thoughts and explore them adequately through the philosophical lens.
55:25 Wham Bam! Prashad speaks, listen. My god..for god's sake a leap into the full void.
And people, like Richard, Insist on the "Monty python"-like arguments.
Thank you, Dr. Prasad for pointing out how "silly" it all sounds.
Why doesn't Egypt let the Gazans cross their border until the war is over? That would be helpful. They should help their Muslim brothers.
Vijay, why does India seemingly support Colonialism in Palestine, yet surely, with it's own history, should be opposing colonialism ?
The indian ruling class since independence was the comprador class during colonialism. They were not the victims of colonialism so obviously won't have solidarity with the oppressed
26:00 that was hilarious
Even when absolutely shredding zionism hes just so damn chill.
Modern territorial China was established in the early Qing Dynasty, not in the 20th Century.
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Awesome. Vijay is a Triple OGee 👏👏👏
CZcams is being mean. It isn't adding your new videos to my feed anymore. sigh.
What happens for example if we declare it a European problem, then what happens after? Interesting but how does this bring anyone any closer to solving anything.
get on Einat Wilf
@vijayprashad you're doing god's good work. Sometimes they are said to have suffered for it too 😂
Love Vijay 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Prashad for world presaminister supreme nice guy leader
Religion, nationalism and fascism have been ramping up for the past 30 years..., sadly.
When i was on the Left, i heard about Sabra and Shatila.
LATER, I learned that PLO had moved from Jordan to Lebanon after they betrayed their host, the King of Jordan, with a coup attempt that failed. Jordan have been reluctant but eventually bombed and mortared the Palestinian rebels, killing about 15,000. That's called Black September.
(Jordan _IS_ a Palestinian state in Palestine, the first Palestinian state in all history, created by the British. 90% of citizens are Palestinians living in the same Palestinian villages, led by a king from Arabia, who THEY asked to rule them. Britain gave away THREE FOURTHS of British Palestine to Jordan, leaving ONE FOURTH, of which half or ONE EIGHTH of Palestine was eventually allowed to become the State of Israel.)
After residing in Lebanon, the PLO did a drive-by shooting on several Christians outside a church, which sparked Civil War for 14 years that destroyed Beirut and left about 150,000 dead, with factional fighting between rival Islamic groups and Christians. People were killed at checkpoints based on their identity card.
Israel had gotten involved or had been ASKED to intervene.
Towards the end of this long struggle, a Christian Phalangist militia took revenge on the PLO and Palestinian faction, for past atrocities caused by the PLO. That's Sabra and Shatila.
To blame? Israel of course.
Who is NOT held responsible for all that k......? The PLO & Palestinians.
This is an extreme oversimplification. For starters, only 10% of Jordan was actually habitable; so when you say that Britain gave the majority of Colonial Palestine to Jordan this "majority" was mostly desert; a lot of Palestinians came from villages that Israel now occupied. Lebanon was another can of worms entirely; although the war was triggered by Palestinian influx which strenghtened Sunni power in Lebanon, it had more to do with already-existing sectarian tensions that would've been triggered by some other causes even if we ignore the PLO. Anyhow, all the factions involved had genocidal tendencies due to the stake at war (communal power) and it wasn't really useful to ask which side started what, not dissimiliar to other such communal crises in Yugoslavia or Iraq
Nothing is like any other thing. And the indigenous genocide and slavery dominate American reality to this day, despite the denial. And removal history is NOT so ancient, outside the Balfour declaration zone. In America it is all around us and simply ignored by white liberals and VERY recent AND ongoing. And also of course many many families of relatively recent white american migrants, not just Jewish people, DO have traumatic histories that are recent. I can trace easily and directly to people cleared from their land and deported on any excuse, simply because the english elite wanted it. We have oral histories and documents. Half of Scotland is CUrently owned by the same families who were "granted" it in the 1790s. Prashad is quite right to broaden the lens, but I say he doesn't broaden it far enough. Europe was internally colonized as it was externally colonizing. This should produce solidarity at some level, but tends to simply muddy the waters. Nonetheless it is history.
44:00 Prasad admits his lack of information on the bigger picture of Israeli issue
In my experience, despite some naivety, by far the sanest apologist for Palestinian cause. Refreshing change from repetitive crybabies like Norman Finkelstein.
Vijay left communist Calcutta, but would like us to adopt it ?
I wonder if the speaker will bother himself whatsoever with the disruptions and conflicts that must have been created in the course of and in the wake of the Ottoman Empire's occupation of the Levant. Or is that completely outside the realm of scrutiny because the Ottomans were neither Europeans nor white? Further, curious to see whether he scrutinizes the Middle East and its predominantly Arab Muslim population for signs of racism in their treatment of minorities and other groups found within that region.
The jews believe that god loves only them, how insane, and evil is that? 😮
1:03:30
He says "from the very beggining of the enslavement of humans ,in the trans-atlantic slave-trade".
This is wrong ,human slavery predates history ,it is extremely old ,it did not begin with the trans-atlantic slave trade. I find that a lot of americans believe that but this guy doesn't even sound american ,weird...
Even institutionalized slavery predates the trans atlantic slave trade ,before the europeans ,arabs were already sailing to the west coast of africa to buy slaves and bring them to arabia to sell to other arabs.
Also a lot of people who believed slavery started with the trans-atlantic slave trade also believe these europeans used to enslave africans from the west coast ,this is false. The overwhelming majority (over 99%) were enslaved by other african tribes and the eurpoeans and arabs would buy them already enslaved.
Sometimes their own tribe used to sell them off as slaves in exchange for clothes ,jewelry and other types of goods they did not know how to produce or did not have access to otherwise.
I think you missed the nuance of contextual analogy of his statement.
@@jayobannon5359 I didn't say the analogy does not hold ,I just said that fact is wrong.
Also he could have made another appropriate analogy without the disinformation.
If you care to elaborate I will listen and adjust my position accordingly if I am missing something here.
Lmao he didn't say that trans-atlantic slave trade was the very beginning of slavery in human history. He was merely pointing out how from the very beginning of this process in the trans-atlantic slave trade (which is a particular temporal context he chose to focus here to make the point), humans have sought to break away from this monstrous system and this choice was never a practical one, because they often preferred death over enslavement. Resistance has always been against the pragmatism of the "civilized" monsters. He's not saying that your white ancestors started all the horrible things in human history lol.
What part of "transatlantic" is difficult to understand? The point also is this was a new nation of constitutionally "free" people (ignoring the reservations, as usual) that still justified not slavery from conquest but race-based slavery for commerce and profit as part of its "free republic." I really like how some people choose to ignore the racial aspect plus the intergenerational aspect in "civilized" European societies, unusual even among the much older civilizations. Racists are so special.
hes known to do that as his education in india was actually just brainwashing , most of the commies in india dont see what mao did as wrong and everything is big bad America /west issues , its why his kind only have a few little cities where there political views are listened to , most of these so called intellects were upheld by NGO's who wanted to spread this nonsense .
Very beautiful
You just disproved your own argument "how does one know that the "second temple" should be built on the site of the mosque in Jerusalem on the basis of historical ownership of that site" That's exactly what Muslims did when they built that mosque on the historical site of the Jewish temple. How did they know they should have that site? They didn't.
« Claims on land based on religion is dangerous ». The basis for the creation of Israel indeed- and for European converts totally baseless
Afghanistan was Khorasan means contemporary Iran, so Iranians now go and chase the Afghans out the land and takeover Khorasan?
The states who have a religious character r from 98 to 97 persent of a cretain religion and that is islam amd in many muslim countries the non muslims are planted there they were not indiginous to that land but now they r part of it. So a country with 97 98 an 99 persent bpopulation of certain religion can associate to that religion
AMERICA is a continent with over 1 billion people and 34 sovereign nations like Argentina, Brazil, Cuba etc ...are all American countries.
The military you speak about are the
UNITEDSTADIANS ... USA these are the ones you speak of overstaying their occupation of many nations like Iraq, Niger, Syria and who knows where else?
I live in USA, and I love the history and many of the traditions of respect, law and equality it was founded on. Most people of the United States are ignorant of this exclusive representation... the people of the United States are not the only Americans and they do not represent the interests of all American countries. The people and army of UNITED STATES are UNITEDSTADIANS!
l and many Americans from throughout North and South America, call on the world to be respectful of all AMERICANS... north
Hello, the host, with due respect as an individual, I'm requesting you before coming on the air please study more on the Middle East history. You don't need to be a historian to know the facts about beautiful Palestine. Your limited knowledge triggers irritation. Dr. Vijay Prasad gave his previous time, before sitting in front of him , you were required to research more prior to asking him nonsense questions about is rael, which never existed before 1948.
Some of his ideas are insightful.
Moves to a different drummer
"From the river to the sea, create a place of equal human rights" That might be your interpretation, but I think you are dreaming
The original Hamas charter expressly and specifically called for the genocide of all Jewish inhabitants, from the river to the sea in the area currently called Israel.
I'm not defending Israel, what they have done has been appalling, but the other side is not lollipops and butterflies. The problem is intractable.
There was never a palestian people or state. SOME ARABS owned property just like Jews did. They cant claim that thr entite land lbelong to them . The Negev desert was never considered part of Israel/ Palestine yet this too they claim .
That cat looks like an effn rabbit. 1973 called..they want the jacket and stache back!!! Stachester!!!
Arab colonialists across Africa including Palestinian branch
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Oct 7th was a bad idea
for them... it was the only idea
@@sexynelson100 kind of foolish though.
They could have opted for peace - like Jordan and Egypt did.
@@user-rs7fl1wj3e Jordan and Egypt are paid billions every year to keep the peace.. ( and millions of displaced Palestinians )
It was probably netanyahu's. Can you bring otherwise after the suitcases of money for Hamas?
Explain the suitcases of cash from Netanyahu to Hamas
Bennie Morris an historisn? Are you kidding?